Lighsabers

Sometimes I wonder, what would be the consequences of one fully functional lightsaber appearing at a random place in Europe in 10th century?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well you should stop.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No, I'm serious.
      I could pick an AK or something, but it's not going to do anything without an endless supply of ammo, which is not feasable.
      A lightsaber, on the other hand, is perfectly self-contained and comprehensible by the time locals. And it's an already fantastical scenario, so why not?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but it's not going to do anything without an endless supply of ammo, which is not feasable.
        Why couldn't it be reversed engineered? You're acting like humans weren't already capable of developing technology.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because AKs are made with 20th century metallurgy and manufacturing techniques. And having an AK to look at doesn't tell you jack shit about those.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And why exactly couldn't rudimentary AKs be made with metallurgy of the time? They couls make swords, shields, and armor so there's no reason they couldn't forge basic barrels. The very least it would do is catapult firearm development by 600 years.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Machining the springs and smaller components might be hard. Also they didn't have the formulas for smokeless powder so the automatic actions probably won't operate as well either. Remember modern firearms came after the development of replaceable parts and the idea of common machine tools and standardization, along with smokeless powder that made automatic actions much more feasible.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They had "rudementary AKs" in around 15th century. They were single-shot guns with questionable reliability and it was the best they could do at the time. And you can't invent modern gunpowder by simply looking at how and AK works.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              what they dont have is the machinery to draw brass into cartridges. they dont have the technology of mercury fulminate to make percussion primers. they dont have the machinery to make the bullets to tolerances that would cycle or probably fire.

              they dont have the machine tolerances to make each example interchangeable - so each part would be handmade for each gun. They dont have the ability to make screwthreads, so a threaded gas block, or any similar part is impossible to reproduce. they dont have the technology to make a rifled bore. they dont have any idea how heat-treatment for a bolt carrier group would work.

              this entire thread is people who dont understand the slightest thing about medieval society, technology, or thought.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You know, I think even if we dropped a Threadreaper into Intel office circa 1980s, they wouldn't be able to even to make a motherboard to run it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They would not, because they wouldn't have the technology to examine it. Even older CPUs are not a big pile of passive components you can hit with a multimeter to see what happens. They're self-contained systems requiring an electron microscope to even look at properly, and have been for like 40 years. Even ancient pre-ARM architecture chips are pretty difficult to reverse-engineer without having some datasheets to guide your study.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Making barrels that don't explode was fricking hard. It took people hundreds of years to figure out. Remember: they still don't know why some steel is brittle and every ore needs different amount of hammering befero it turns into something usable. Also, stainless is still magic that just happenes at random.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you're not even talking about what they'd do with a glimpse of future tech? You just wonder what it would be like if 1(one) guy had an impossibly sharp sword that he didn't have to sharpen?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >So you're not even talking about what they'd do with a glimpse of future tech?
          NTA, but that's speculation on top of speculation. All we know about how lightsabers work is some technobabble about kyber crystals, we have no clue if people could understand how they work or not because it's all fiction in the end. It's a pretty big reach to assume that people could reverse-engineer and learn anything from it, and even if they could where are they getting more crystals from?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If the damn things were real then somebody could figure them out. I don't know why the hell you would think man isn't smart enough to replicate something that man made.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It probably would just take time.
              It is more of a "What if you gave a caveman a garagedoor opener".

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >If the damn things were real then somebody could figure them out.
              Maybe, it depends on the difference in technology. If you showed an ignorant medieval person a crossbow they could easily understand that and make more of them. If you showed them a game boy they'd be fricking clueless. Without technology like advanced microscopes (among many other things) they aren't getting very far reverse-engineering that.
              It also depends on the availability of materials. It's pretty easy to understand how a nuclear bomb works. Getting the materials, on the other hand, is a big fricking problem. Especially so when you need a magic crystal from some faraway planet to make it work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is perfectly self-contained
        I have only basic knowledge of the Star Wars universe, but don't they contain some kind of power cell or something that would eventually run out of energy? Or do they contain so much energy that they could run for years and years without problems?

        >and comprehensible by the time locals
        then you've got a magic sword not too different from other magic swords in mythology.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble. Shit just works, ships fly from point A to B.
          Lightsabres are no different. Some games and books go deeper into it, but each and everyone contradict each other.
          The only that is uniform are crystals that power the sabre and give it it's colour.
          So you have a handheld crystal generator that somehow also generates an energyfield that containts the ionized plasma that the crystal shits out.
          They sre supposedly really hard to use for non forceusers as the even the most simple mistake means you'll cut off one part of your body.

          In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over. Imagine giving Charlemagne or some HRE duke s sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble.
            Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Do light sabers last forever or do they eventually run out of juice?

            >In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over
            Yes, clearly. I'm trying to figure out for how long so I can answer OP's question.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Do light sabers last forever or do they eventually run out of juice?
              Short anwser - they do run out of juice eventually, but they last for a very, very long time, especially if idle. For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that a turned on lightsaber would word for a 100 years if not actively used to cut.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Lightsabres were used as relics for generations. The crystals in them were very percious themselves. Take Anakin's lightsabre. That thing worked for decades. It's safe to assume, unless someone intentionally breaks it, a lightsabre could last a century or more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's safe to assume, unless someone intentionally breaks it, a lightsabre could last a century or more.
                How long it lasts in the movie universe is not the same thing as how long it might last in medieval Europe. For all we know Anakin's lightsaber was regularly recharged or had new batteries swapped and this was simply never shown in the movies because it isn't interesting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There are different explanations for how long a lightsaber lasts in the "expanded universe", my short answer was an approximation of all that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You also need to remember that the crystal is the real star of the show. All the rest of the parts are basic tools and shit you can get from your local Star Wars electronics store, it's the reason that almost every lightsaber looks different but basically look the same.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              *but basically works the same

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over. Imagine giving Charlemagne or some HRE duke s sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.
            Just having is brandished would have you either considered a agent of God or Satan.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >then you've got a magic sword not too different from other magic swords in mythology.
          Oh, it's very different.
          No magic sword from myth and legends was described as being able to melt absolutely anything, for instance. I reckon that alone would make it a brilliant tool for advanced metallurgy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/q56wJsg.jpeg

          Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble. Shit just works, ships fly from point A to B.
          Lightsabres are no different. Some games and books go deeper into it, but each and everyone contradict each other.
          The only that is uniform are crystals that power the sabre and give it it's colour.
          So you have a handheld crystal generator that somehow also generates an energyfield that containts the ionized plasma that the crystal shits out.
          They sre supposedly really hard to use for non forceusers as the even the most simple mistake means you'll cut off one part of your body.

          In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over. Imagine giving Charlemagne or some HRE duke s sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.

          There's been a lot of effort to add these kinds of details over the years. You could expect something like 50 years of battery life.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Dark Saber existed and used for 1000 of years without replacing the crystal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I realize the crystal lasts more or less forever unless damaged. I'm asking about the "power cell" which powers the crystal. How long does that last?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The crystal is the cell.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Admittedly I'm not much of an expert on SW stuff but everything I've read via google over the last little while disagrees with you.
                https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Diatium_power_cell

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you have one dude with a very powerful cutting tool that, canonically, has the recoil of a heavy machine gun. Even ignoring the recoil which is more of an EU thing, you still basically have a guy with an infinite battery/fuel plasma cutter. Not much would change.

        If anything, we'd probably just end up with someone using it to cut stone ro something, so instead of Damascus Steel being the greatest meme it'd be the wienerburn Brick. This isn't even a "hurr durr swords dont win battles" thing, a lightsaber would probably be perceived more as an excellent cutting tool than a frontline combat weapon (since there is literally only one of them in your scenario, so even using it to breach walls or something would still be effectively the same as the deployment of any other siege weapon)

        And why exactly couldn't rudimentary AKs be made with metallurgy of the time? They couls make swords, shields, and armor so there's no reason they couldn't forge basic barrels. The very least it would do is catapult firearm development by 600 years.

        There were rudimentary automatic weapons even in the BP days (like the famous gatling gun, it predates smokeless powder) and even then the chinks were fricking around with MLRS systems (basically a big rack of fireworks used for incendiary strikes against villages or particularly shitty castles)

        >Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble.
        Okay, but you didn't answer my question. Do light sabers last forever or do they eventually run out of juice?

        >In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over
        Yes, clearly. I'm trying to figure out for how long so I can answer OP's question.

        https://i.imgur.com/q56wJsg.jpeg

        Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble. Shit just works, ships fly from point A to B.
        Lightsabres are no different. Some games and books go deeper into it, but each and everyone contradict each other.
        The only that is uniform are crystals that power the sabre and give it it's colour.
        So you have a handheld crystal generator that somehow also generates an energyfield that containts the ionized plasma that the crystal shits out.
        They sre supposedly really hard to use for non forceusers as the even the most simple mistake means you'll cut off one part of your body.

        In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over. Imagine giving Charlemagne or some HRE duke s sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.

        >do light sabers last forever
        IIRC they're powered by a magic space crystal that lasts for several generations of use. It would have to be at least two generations, since Obi's an old dude and gives Luke his saber, and it worked for both their lifetimes. I'm not sure but I think Obi's saber was bequeathed to him from his mentor too. I believe the power source can also be taken out and used for other sabers, but is not especially useful as a power source of its own. (it doesn't create current, it only makes lightsaber blade juice which apparently some kind of physical substance and not an actual plasma arc like made in a spark gap)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >lightsabers have recoil
          What does they even mean?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you hold the blade out from you, the hilt of it would push against your body. Think of it like the lightsaber isn't so much a static sword as a weird plasma launcher with very limited range. You're swinging around a miniature flamethrower that shoots plasma in a line instead of fire in an arc.

            This does not explain why they don't go flying in crazy dangerous corkscrews every time a Jedi gets disarmed, though, or why normal people can just pick up lightsabers and start swingin' without much if any training. They handwave jedi handling them like light swords with the same means they use to psychically move stuff around, and them being difficult to handle is why every soldier in the universe doesn't have one as a backup weapon rather than the rarity of the magic space crystals that power them (since there are fricktons of lightsabers just lying around for everyone who vibes hard enough to acquire once they get told what jedis is)

            Steven Spielberg is a hack and the various EU writers don't seem to communicate much.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    At least a few peasants looking into the blade emitter and turning it on

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    total muslim death
    Constantinople never falls, united christian empire expands globally and takes over the planet
    due to the annihilation of inferior cultures, technology advances rapidly, fueled by the findings of studying the holy lightsaber
    nuclear fusion achieved by the 18th century
    interstellar travel in the 19th century
    intergalactic christian empire established by 2020

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fueled by the findings of studying the holy lightsaber
      >nuclear fusion achieved by the 18th century
      I call bullshit on that. First of all, if it's a holy object, the church wouldn't be willing to give it to the scientist to dissassemble. Second of all, I doubt that even in the modern day studying something like a lightsaber would bear any result, it's like trying to study a smartphone in Roman Empire.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        reminder that the church founded and funded basically all the original universities in europe
        also, I gave it a good 800 years from the discovery of the holy lightsaber until fusion, I think it's quite enough time to study the thing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They wouldn't be able to do anything. If you gave a microchip to someone 200 years ago they wouldn't be able to figure out a single thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is perfectly self-contained
        I have only basic knowledge of the Star Wars universe, but don't they contain some kind of power cell or something that would eventually run out of energy? Or do they contain so much energy that they could run for years and years without problems?

        >and comprehensible by the time locals
        then you've got a magic sword not too different from other magic swords in mythology.

        >the concept of the monopole actualized
        Congratulations, you have just solved one of the 12 Unanswered.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just shoot the fricker with arrows or bolts. It's not like a Jedi came down and can predict the future in short term to deflect incoming projectiles. Yeah a lightsaber would dominate and destroy any melee weapon but it doesn't make someone invulnerable.

      https://i.imgur.com/q56wJsg.jpeg

      Unlike Star Trek, Star Wars is not that deep into technobabble. Shit just works, ships fly from point A to B.
      Lightsabres are no different. Some games and books go deeper into it, but each and everyone contradict each other.
      The only that is uniform are crystals that power the sabre and give it it's colour.
      So you have a handheld crystal generator that somehow also generates an energyfield that containts the ionized plasma that the crystal shits out.
      They sre supposedly really hard to use for non forceusers as the even the most simple mistake means you'll cut off one part of your body.

      In medieval Europe such a thing would be heavily guarded and fought over. Imagine giving Charlemagne or some HRE duke s sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.

      > sword that can slice open caste walls with one swing.
      It can't quite do that either. It can get through stone walls and heavy doors for sure but it might take time, and again in the meantime the wielder is still vulnerable as everyone else is to other weapons.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a mod for Civ V.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of lightsaber are we talking? A Lucas OG or prequel era? We get this:
      A Disney era lightsaber? Nothing happens. The only thing getting hurt by that are our feelings.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would probably appear somewhere in wilderness and be eventually buried underground over the years, never to be found.
    This may have already happened.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It promptly becomes a symbol of power of some local king or warlord, a "magical sword from God", akin to Excalibur.
    Kingdoms rise and fall, kings kill each other and take each other's shit and the magic sword gets passed around like a prostitute in a frat party until some genius takes it with him to a naval battle where he's sunk and the sword is never seen again, becoming a thing of legend

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ultimate breaching tool. Instead of an unwieldy battering ram, you just need a bunch of guys to cover for the one who will use it to carve a man-sized hole into any castle gate without fail.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this isn't PrepHole make a thread there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this isn't, isn't that it?
      But I expected more interesting speculation. For example, a gajilion ways you can defeat someone with a lightsaber using medieval weapons. Or how a lightsaber allows to create the best quality steel imaginable, so a king who posseses a lightsaber can be very rich and have a top notch army at the same time. Et cetera.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Or how a lightsaber allows to create the best quality steel imaginable,
        How? The ability to melt things doesn't mean shit when you still don't know what alloys work the best for what you have. Nor does it account for any side effects exposure to lightsabers may have on the metals it melts down.

        We covered the actual positive things for a lightsaber, scaring the locals with your god sword of light, cutting/burning through fortifications and being able to destroy any weapon in melee combat. You're still a person who can get a bullet, bolt, arrow, or humble stone to the face and die.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >How?
          As far as I understand, getting stuff hot enoug is the major bottleneck towards achieving good quality steel, as well as other alloys. There was some steel even back in the Roman times, but it was not consistent or practical to make. Having a lightsaber is basically like having a portable highly efficient furnace.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely used as a symbol of office. Being the only guy with a glowing sword that can kill anything would strongly reinforce the general idea that kings ruled through divine mandate. The king pulling it out would be a great morale boost for any army, something akin to the French rolling out the Oriflamme except not losing every single time they did it.

    Equally likely is some stonemason guild getting ahold of the thing and creating unbelievable monuments. From how I've seen the things portrayed someone with a steady hand could probably create Mount Rushmore in a few weeks. You could probably carve an impenetrable fortress on the scale of Angband into a mountain. Also insanely effective mining or tree felling capabilities.

    A lone warrior using it as a weapon to cut down hundreds of guys on a battlefield is not very likely. It would take all of ten seconds for everyone to say "hey that guy with a glowing sword needs to go" and swarm them. No matter how effective your weapon a single person simply cannot win a battle through interpersonal violence like that. You only have so many places you can look and be at once. A laser sword without equally powerful shielding or armor means you will still die from getting an arrow in the chest or a dozen guys swarming you with spears. If anyone gets inside your guard and it turns into a brawl it is just as likely you will slice off your own leg fumbling around as the other guy's.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >them
      Who "them"?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    assuming they don't just lock it up because "GOD GAVE THIS TO US!!!"
    they're gonna just turn it into something to cut stone & trees with
    a guy with a lightsaber can't do shit to a volley of arrows, and if the enemy gets hold of it, then THEY can build whatever they want, which is of course extremely bad
    think of all the manpower it takes to quarry stone or cut a tree to build a wall or castle, then imagine if all you needed was the building part
    it would be absolutely fricking insane, even right now

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Start swinging a laser sword around
    >Get shot in the chest with a crossbow
    pssshhh nothing personnel, kid

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >10th century
    That's where you fricked up OP. You're way off the times where a guy in top tier armour is functionally immune to projectiles, and now has the means to turn a knight fight into a 2 second murder rather than a half hour wrestling match.

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