Levergat Thread

Got bit by the bug playing western games.
Is there a reason to get a levergat in .30-30 anymore if .357 has most of the range and force and isn't as ass-fuckingly hard to find due to boomers?
Also levergat thread

  1. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    3030 with a 160 lever evolution going 2450-2550 will always be longer legged then a 357 with a 140 lever going 1900. no question

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but you have to match their powder with their bullets to get that speed and it uses large rifle primers, which are hard to find. Handloading .38 costs about 25 cents a round, a 30-30 is going to be more like 60-75 cents. Also the 357 rifle holds twice as many shots.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        30-30 is more than that price nowadays. It's pretty much gonna be reloaders only soon at over a dollar a round for hunting ammo. No one makes cheap 30-30 anymore, therefore 357 is the correct choice.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          well buying factory rounds yeah, but a primer's 10 cents and the FTX bullets are 25-30 cents apiece. 1/200th of a pound of powder finishes out the cost of a round, and at $30 a pound you're using 15 cents per shots. That's a 50 cent 30-30 round. Getting hard to find powder for old prices though.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            I guess with ramshot or something. Though for the sake of argument I'd go with a $40/lb basis for a $0.55 reload. Still, with half the charge weight and xtp's often being in the .25 cent range, .357 will always be significantly cheaper.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >half the charge weight
              shit boss, my pet 38 load is 4.7gr unique pushing a 125gr missouri bullet co, the whole round costs a quarter

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Lol, lmao

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Wouldn't this blow the action and grenade the gun in your face?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Two additional factors. I'm using a slightly longer oal, so I'm not crimping on the cannalure and it's a slower powder (it's either Lil' Gun or H110, can't recall). That was my max load. I think it had mild pressure signs.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                For reference, the Lyman book max load for a 125 gr XTP with H110 is 22 gr. I think that's 23 or 23.5, adjusted to match the increase in case volume based on the longer seating depth.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I have little idea about what you're talking about but I hope to in the future.
                Unfortunately it looks like I'll be buying 45 LC which is a different beast.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                You can also do pissing hot 45 LC loads in most lever guns.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        the reason I mention this, each rifle has a purpose. good luck if you don't reload shooting any lever action rifle caliber. as for 30-30, it's a real rifle power level. you use it to get full penetration of medium to larger game like deer and some elk. 357 can be used for deer but it's on the lower end of acceptable. 357 has the benefit of being the best plinking gun and "defensive" caliber against 2 legged threats.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly though, if I want real rifle power out of a lever gun I'd try to get ahold of a long ranger and shoot something with decent long range ballistics.

  2. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >.357 has most of the range and force
    The best 357 is 30% weaker (fps/energy) than the weakest 30-30 you can find.

    If you want to just fuck around? 357. If you want to hunt with it? 30-30

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      That's a bit of an exaggeration. On Wikipedia the weakest .30-30 I see is 1760 ft-lbs. Buffalo bore 158 gr Heavy .357 can get 2150 fps out of an 18.5" barrel for 1620 ft-lbs.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      357 is fine for killing white tail if you keep it >= 75yds, which for most of the eastern half of the US is going to basically be 90+% of your shots

  3. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    30-30 is a good round, gives rifle performance over the 357s pistol ballistics. That said, I would probably only own a lever gun in 357 or 45-70, cause if we're going old, might as well go big too

  4. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I am a big retard that played blood west and I have been eyeing something in .45 long colt for the memes.
    Is this a stupid fucking idea and should I stick with a .357 offering?
    I need to break into levergats, I was eyeing a henry .410 my LGS had for awhile but luckily got talked out of it.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      If it's beefy you can load .45 LC up to .44 Magnum specs.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        What’s a good beefy 45?
        Big boy steel side gate?
        1873?

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Rossi R92's are about as stout as they come and also the cheapest on the market.

  5. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    anyone have a Winchester 1892 takedown (or clone) with a 1/2 or 3/4 length mag? I need some pictures of the magazine plug to understand how it works compared to my full length mag

  6. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone know what the new Marlin 336 and 1894 that are coming out in a couple months are supposed to MSRP at? Hopefully it's not over $1k.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      It most definitely will be over 1k retail for sure just look at what Henry's cost these days or the retarded prices ppl are losing for the Merlin's

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        IIRC, Henry's guns used to cost more than Marlin's before Marlin shut down, so it's still possible that they could cost less.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Marlin .30-30's are like $750 at Walmart. No chance in hell Ruger prices competitively.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, henry, not marlin.

  7. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Just hand load or find some hot .357s if you want to hunt since .30-30 is really hard to get

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Grizzly has a 200 gr. 1300 fps 800 ft.lbs. load, in the world of 357 how Hispanicy is that?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I won't pretend to be an expert, I'm not sure. Most .357 mag ammo I see off the shelf is something like 158g 1300 fps or something like that.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Out of a handgun, it's pretty beefy. If you want to shoot the .357 that'll recoil the most, that's probably it. Given the grain weight it's more appropriate as a woods gun where you might be worried about bears. Not sure how it'll do out of a rifle, but generally to maximize energy in .357 rifle you want a light bullet (<= 158 gr). Buffalo bore makes some monster loads in that range.

  8. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    My 357 lever carbine is far and away my most favorite long gun to shoot out of 6.
    But it's my only lever gun so what do I know.
    Cartridge compatibility with your wheel gun shouldn't be overlooked.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      nice, my gun store had a 45-70 rossi with that color combo, thing felt rock solid

  9. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    My LGS just picked up a Teddy commemorative 94. It's pretty neat

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/sEKyA1N.jpg

      Just hand load or find some hot .357s if you want to hunt since .30-30 is really hard to get

      https://i.imgur.com/50SQwqF.jpg

      My 357 lever carbine is far and away my most favorite long gun to shoot out of 6.
      But it's my only lever gun so what do I know.
      Cartridge compatibility with your wheel gun shouldn't be overlooked.

      Lol I used ro buy these " commemorative limited edition" 94 for 4-550 a few years ago...
      Now I'm strapped with 94, 1894's from the 1910-20 , 1895 Russian and British contract and savage 99, mirokus 1886 and 92 chiappa alaskan, crates of 30-30,44,45-70s, not counting antiques and shotties.
      Everyone wanted "muh

      And all of you are buying shit marlins 336 that are a downhill dumpster fire since the 80 ies ( not even mentioning the lol 52kpsi max pressure of the 336 architecture), shit henry ( lol 336 copycats but even shittier finish and you pay extra for a kings gate) overpay anything Euro made because cimarron and lol scarcity...

      I just sold a 1978 1894m 44mag and a 1894 wild bill Hickok ( tacky shit ) that I bought in an estate sale for 300 and 550 7 yr ago to a try hard boomer for 2k...yep it's a steal I fired it and there's no box lul

      So I'll get a 20in build decent ar and optic along with mags and gear with the 120% profit of you fags not buying cool shit at the time...

      And now poorfags are coping that muh 357 is just good enough compared to to 30-30 because you didn't bought PPU crates when they were 45cpr...

      Ahhh feels good not to be poor man.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure if you're expecting anyone to be envious, but I owned lever guns before the retarded price era. For people just getting into it, contending with current market conditions is inevitable. Also, for someone interested in the pressure rating of an action, you sure stock up on a lot of low-pressure shitbox ammo.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Also, for someone interested in the pressure rating of an action, you sure stock up on a lot of low-pressure shitbox ammo.

          Tell me when WWB or corelokt 30-30 was sub 50cts a round... Oh yeah when my daddy was buying in in the ,90 ies...

          And sure ppu is slightly slower than Winchester white box, but most of their bad rap comes from their early 170gr that was replicating the 1850 fps of 1910s era 30-30... You know like they did with most of their historical offerings (8 lebel, 30-06 150gr garand load, 139gr 6,5x55swede etc)

          150gr ppu is 100 fps slower than say corelokt but at 1/2 the price...

          Oh and I reload these with 32,8gr medium n550 and lol 145gr ppu 308 fmj spitzer bullit in 30-30 ppu case at something lige 2550fps outta 24in 1894 as nd savage 99 no biggie...
          The only non shit US made brass I can use to do that is starline rem can go fuck themselves, Winchester will elongate to much and s&b straight up collet separate...

          And I max load 500gr hardcast 45-70 for my miroku... Try it in a faglin lol

          And find me a 336 that can get in the 62-64 kpsi like 92 ( Taurus 454 casull) 94 ( bighorn armory 500 sw, ok it's dorta 94ae not totally) and 95 (30-06)
          Protip you can't

          T, someone that had the displeasure of giving first aid to a friend that kzboomed a 1895 sbl de emlin garbage...

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >with 32,8gr medium
            europoor noguns larping, trash bait disregarded

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >this whole post

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Too bad you're illiterate as well.

              Poor zoomies are jelly that one hand typing phone posting dude bought cool levergats at 20 yr old when all the cool kids decked thousands into larpgear and early gucci ar setups and iptivs that can be had for half the price...
              Mmmh sob sob poorfags enjoy your "proudly made in America" craptastic levergats in pistol calibers, wich is perfectly fine with polymer striker fired pistols and gimmicky pccs tho...

              If you want an inexpensive levergats get a 22

              Otherwise get a .44mag an stfu non of you nigher will shoot your pissin' hot 357 reloads in your gp100...

              And 38sp in a faglin 1894 cowboy is more jammy than an "All them witches" record...

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Not being aware of the appropriate .45-70 load is begging for trouble unless you're using one of like 3 guns. It's a strong function of the gun that you're shooting, with the heaviest being for the falling block actions, second tier being for lever guns, and weakest loads being for the 1873's. It's interesting that the Mirokus can handle the absolute hottest loads, though I've never found myself interested in making .45-70 less pleasant to shoot.

            92's are still pretty easy to come buy, though the .454 model seems to be difficult to locate. Still, the .45 LC .44 mag model loaded as hot as possible can get some pretty decent numbers.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >second tier being for lever guns,
              Yep but here's the kicker : there's less surface contact between a 336 bolt and locking cam than on a 1886...
              And the design of the 86 will in case of a catastrophic failure warp itself shut and eventually break in half at the receiver/mag tune junction.

              The 336/1895 will grenade it's receiver and wreck your wrist with the lever..

              I worked in a serious CAS oriented shop and after a friend kaboomed a 1895 sbl we tried destructive tests on both a 1895 remlin and a miroku that had its barrel trashed by a squib...

              I sold all my 336 afterwards.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I'll give you a 7/10, you're squeezing too hard

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad you're illiterate as well.

  10. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    PrepHole i have a decision to make
    >be in cuckstate
    >no semi auto centerfire rifles until 21
    >turn 20 in few weeks
    option 1 is
    >buy .357 henry now
    >when 21, buy .357 revolver
    option 2 is
    >just wait another year
    >buy sks or mini and whatever handgun
    my concerns with option 2 are the 7.62x39 supply and 10 round mini-14 magazines apparently being bad. what's the situation with .357 and .38 prices?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Buy a lever gun and revolver. At least when you inevitably move out of whatever shithole you live in, you won't have a bunch of ban-compliant compromise guns.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      How about option 3:
      >buy a .22 rifle
      >enjoy shooting for cheap
      >go from there

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        what state? If you don't have any gun I would recommend a mossberg 500 but if you want a rifle just get the levergun since you will already have the ammo when you turn 21. 7.62x39 is not going anywhere soon and other companies are either going to import from other ex combloc nations or make it locally here. What distance are you going to shoot at becasue maybe a bolt action would be a better fit.

        already have 10/22, maverick 88 and savage axis. i could wait but lever actions are cool, and i'd have the handgun ammo for next year

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      what state? If you don't have any gun I would recommend a mossberg 500 but if you want a rifle just get the levergun since you will already have the ammo when you turn 21. 7.62x39 is not going anywhere soon and other companies are either going to import from other ex combloc nations or make it locally here. What distance are you going to shoot at becasue maybe a bolt action would be a better fit.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Fellow cuckstater here without the age issue.
      I bought the Mini-30 in wood furniture like your picrel last year.
      I've had no problem getting mags or ammo, mags are spendy 10-round Rugers, shipped right away.
      The brass case ammo usually around a buck a round. Got some Norma for .89c. per.
      Not cheap but readily available.
      It's a great semi auto rifle if you're planning on staying put.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      I'd buy the lever action. They're fun to shoot and you'll still enjoy plinking it after you're able to buy modern sporting rifles too. Plus wood furniture lever actions are classy and never go out of style

  11. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I’m really interested in the Henry long ranger, would probably be my hunting rifle. Or do you think I should stick to a side gate loading, lever cartridge like 30-30 or 45-70

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's great for hunting

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Henry long ranger are browning blr with a small hint of upgrade, they are overpriced for what they are and the mags sucks,

      It's great for hunting

      >It's great for hunting
      Means
      "It's a shit rifle for fudds that will NEVER put more than 3-5 shots trough it in less than an hour and will consider that a 19 rnd yse oer year of use is " good enough.

      If you want a shooter levergat in sudo rifle caliber get either:
      A Savage 99 c in 308
      Od'r a Winchester mod 88
      Rhey are both out of production but blow anything out of production.

      T, old fag

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on your hunting terrain. If you have long shots of a few hundred yds then long ranger def is best. If it's eastern woods the traditional levers with heavier bullets are better.

  12. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >newgunz question inbound
    Are hollow point rounds generally safe in tubular magazines?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      yes. some have feed issues but they are safe as in they won't smack the primer on the round in front of them

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