Lets say I go to Ukraine.

Lets say I go to Ukraine.
I set up a lawn chair on the edge of a known battlefield and make sure I have a white flag clearly visible.
All I wanna do is watch the fighting in person.
(and maybe collect some dropped AKs)
Why is this a bad idea? What could go wrong?
Talk me out of it.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How about getting eviscerated by a stray shell because you're a moron that is just sitting in the middle of a field

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was thinking about sitting near a treeline, not in the middle of a field.

      Thats an awful lot of trust in notably accurate russian arty

      What if i just walk about with a big white flag on my back.
      The worst case would be they question me right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >near a treeline

        Even more moronic since like 90% of all engagements happen in or around treelines

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thats an awful lot of trust in notably accurate russian arty

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You won't see much. War is mostly fake, especially this one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sasuga anon, haven't seen this talking point in at least a year

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’d shoot your on principle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >shoot a man waving a white flag
      hope you like prison, anon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russians don't care. They'll kill you and say they got an American spy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, but you will be dead. You will never get to see the to be continued part.
        Was it worth it?
        Like...are you stupid or something?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        White flag? I didn’t see no white flag.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What if i'm daltonic?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You’ll get fragged or captured and probably shot because you’re thought to be a spy

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hide thread
    problem solved

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Youre catching a stray artillery/mortar shell. Or someone sees you and thinks your a spotter for the other side and drones your ass. Uploads the footage to /k/. Then we start arguing for several threads if the dude in a tropical shirt, straw hat and plastic lawn chair was Ukie or Mobik

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look at this picture but ignore all of the craters.
    Please mark where you think a good spot would be to set up your lawn chair.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ignoring the UXO for now, how hard is it gonna be to get those fields working again? Can they just use a grader and scrape it all flat, or will they have to truck in dirt and a front loader to fill the craters?
      Around here (Midwest) there are a lot of semi-terraced fields, but I can't imagine that's an easy or cheap process.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can't ignore the UXO though anon. The moment you attempt to harvest a shell is going to detonate and send your harvester or whatever to Valhalla. There'd also be problems with ground contamination but I think that happens in far heavier shelled areas.

        But to answer your actual question I think they'd need to truck in dirt. Each one of those craters is going to be a few meters wide and deep, it adds up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >need to truck in dirt. Each one of those craters is going to be a few meters wide and deep, it adds up.
          the dirt from those craters hasn't disappeared, its still there, just needs putting back in the hole.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon...
            https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/soils-war-toxic-legacy-ukraines-breadbasket-2023-03-01/

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Just use Phytoremediation

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          obviously the UXO is it's own, major problem. But I'm purely interested in the actual dirt.
          Some of the fighting in the south is on the Dnieper floodplain right? so maybe just let it flood and erode everything flat again? plus new, rich topsoil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Some of the fighting in the south is on the Dnieper floodplain right? so maybe just let it flood and erode everything flat again? plus new, rich topsoil.
            Omaha Beach, which floods considerably I'm sure you know, still has lots of shrapnel, although it is now worn down by erosion to roughly 1mm-sized shards and beads. Flooding erodes, but doesn't adequately remove the debris of war.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              once again, I'm talking about replacing the soil and not dealing with the debris
              imagine it's the future and the UXO has all been cleaned up, the burned out BTR shells have all been hauled away and scrapped, the bodies have fully decomposed. Now, how do they make the fields flat again so they can be planted and harvested?

              also tidal flooding on a beach is a totally different beast than riverine flooding

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is a dumb question, this shit will never be cleaned up, not in a hundred years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >this shit will never be cleaned up, not in a hundred years.
                Two world wars.
                Most of the land will be back in agricultural use in a couple of years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >back in agricultural use
                With the amount of shrapnel or unexploded bombs around? I'd wager more like 10 years until we see some kind of normal activities. I'd like it to be sooner, but I really can't see it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. You're kind of dumb Black person with no sense of the scale of things.

                There's 33 million hectares of arable land in Ukraine. The area that's been shelled to shit contains maybe 1 million hectares of arable land to recover. Now that is a frickton of land but World Wars were much worse. And the recovery from either one didn't take 100 years.
                There's gonna be some minor patches of land that will not recover their pre-war fertility, but the scale of that is insignificant.

                Just to give you more idea of the scale of things--Ukraine's current wheat production is still higher than it was in 2012, before the clankening and all the troubles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bigger problem is the dam going which fricks up the entire Soviet era irrigation network. People don't talk about this enough. The areas south of the Dnepr are NOT going to return to pre-war output.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the scale of that is insignificant.
                yes, but I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that anon is talking specifically about the feasibility of restoring blown-up land to agricultural use?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *All* of it will be restored to agricultural use. Even the extreme cases that won't be as fertile for crops as they used to be. Agricultural use includes forestry, livestock, etc.

                I just want to dispel the crazy idea that land becomes an ecological deadzone just because a war happened.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>I just want to dispel the crazy idea that land becomes an ecological deadzone just because a war happened.
                Nobody said that, did you grow up in a city?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not word to word, but equal level of stupid.
                >this shit will never be cleaned up, not in a hundred years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because it won't. Not every part of Ukraine will recover from this. There will be fields that, without serious government investment without expectation of return (and we're talking tens to hundreds of billions here), will be contaminated for the indefinite future. I think you're arguing with a strawman.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >There will be fields that, without serious government investment without expectation of return (and we're talking tens to hundreds of billions here), will be contaminated for the indefinite future. I think you're arguing with a strawman.
                I love how Russian cope has changed from
                >We will take all of so called Ukraine!
                to
                >We will take everything East of the Dnipr
                to
                >We will take all of Luhansk and Donetsk and hgold on to Maroupol
                to
                >Hah, we will have ruined a large amount of agricultural fields for the forseeable future haha! Take that hohols!

                Reality is setting in, isn't it? You're realising you can't win this war.
                Oh and btw with EU funding, which WILL be forthcoming those fields will be cleared in less than a decade. Unlike in WW1 battlefields the metals are all on the surface, which makes them easy to clear. Belgium and France have issues with clearing because the fields were ploughed over for decades before they started trying to seriously do anything about that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not every part of Ukraine will recover from this
                That's vatnik talk, implying parts of Ukraine will be ceded to Russia.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But how would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast this morning

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lots of bulldozers preferably Komatsu D355As

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Komatsu D355As
                Frick the Komatsu shills made it onto /k/?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >imagine it's the future and the UXO has all been cleaned up, the burned out BTR shells have all been hauled away and scrapped, the bodies have fully decomposed
                of course then the world's your oyster, but you're literally ignoring the debris problem - how are you going to deal with that?
                >tidal flooding on a beach is a totally different beast than riverine flooding
                I'm no expert for sure but tidal flooding would, it seems to me, be more effective than riverine at getting rid of shit if only because of the frequency

                and yeah as many anons have said, it will be a long time clearing this shit up. there are WW2 and WW1 battlegrounds which still have artifacts just under the soil. farmers at civil war and Napoleonic battlefields were ploughing up bones and bullets for years afterward.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the debris problem is so big and complex that I doubt PrepHole's ability to discuss it accurately. But moving dirt is pretty simple, albeit time consuming and annoying.

                tidal flooding doesn't flow, it's just the water level raising and lowering. A river, especially an inundated one, is producing a ridiculous amount of energy.
                Same reason we build hydro plants everywhere, but tidal energy production is still mostly drawing board.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes anon, graders and bulldozers, maybe soil brought in depending on how much of it was blown away. But the real problem is the contamination.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can't ignore the UXO though anon. The moment you attempt to harvest a shell is going to detonate and send your harvester or whatever to Valhalla. There'd also be problems with ground contamination but I think that happens in far heavier shelled areas.

        But to answer your actual question I think they'd need to truck in dirt. Each one of those craters is going to be a few meters wide and deep, it adds up.

        Pic related, from near Volgograd (Stalingrad).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can't ignore the UXO though anon. The moment you attempt to harvest a shell is going to detonate and send your harvester or whatever to Valhalla. There'd also be problems with ground contamination but I think that happens in far heavier shelled areas.

        But to answer your actual question I think they'd need to truck in dirt. Each one of those craters is going to be a few meters wide and deep, it adds up.

        I think the bigger issue with respects to 'getting back to some level of normality ' in a few decades time if we're lucky is all the unexploded munitions littering the entire country. This will be a problem for hundreds of years, if current day Europe is to be used as an example.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Aren't the World War UXOs pretty much inert at this point? IIRC, they detonate them out of adherence to protocol but no explosive should be very explosive at all after rotting in a corroded container in the ground for 100 years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They still routinely explode when being handled and kill EOD techs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            explosives don't degrade to "nothing" over time. Often they degrade into "much more dangerous version of explosive that this was previously".

            It would be extremely stupid to touch any ordnance old enough to have rust on it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        will take at least three seasons of poisoned crops, try not to go bankrupt in the mean time

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many times you fu ked with bystanders for the sake of it when playing videogames?
    >But this is irl
    I know, but in both videogames and Ukraine consequences are just a concept at most. Expect the same. To be fair I've thought about going myself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ask the French and Belgians. They are dealing with similar issues for a century now. They still find shells every year while plowing their fields.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are not gonna see much. Its mostly fields with treelines in between. So you would have to get a crane or something high to stand on to get a good view. And being that obvious on the battlefield would increase the chances for death dramatically.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >piggers assume you're a zigger
    >ziggers assume you're a pigger
    >everyone shoots your dumb ass
    have fun

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rape you and then use your flag to wipe the shit and blood off my dick afterward, how about that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look, an actual Russian.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can’t be, he said he would clean his dick afterwards

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    both ukr and rus are likely to shoot you because they're zionist controlled murder machines with no souls.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You WILL die a painful death and it will likely be posted here in webm format.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Watching an impending war close in on your home
      >Perched up on your rooftop with your brother seeing the dust plumes get closer
      >Smoking a red wondering when you're gonna have to pack your family up and GTFO of Dodge

      Damn, that's a vibe. Sorry ME bros, I never realized the shit my boys and I did to y'all until I had a family of my own to worry about.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't feel bad. They should have thought about what you would do before they committed 9/11.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But they didn't do 9/11. Most of the terrorists were Saudis. Frick off with that yellow cake.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Whatever. They trained in Afghanistan and came from there. Don't feel bad about defending your country's interests from them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Low IQ if you still believe that. It could be forgiveable believing that in the emotional panic at the moment. But STILL believing that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How do you know that's not the Iran/Iraq war? Or houthis being bombed by Saudis? Etc etc. You assume too much. And don't apologize for shit you weren't responsible for.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A much less (but still mostly) moronic idea would be to set up shop in one of the western cities and just fly drones to the battlefields

    I mean you're still tempting fate given Russia's proclivity for chucking missiles at urban centers, but at least you'll my out of range of artillery.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >russians track the signal
      >levels your the neighbourhood with an iskander

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes, hence my second paragraph
        still better odds than starting down a 155 (or whatever, I didn't actually know much about Russian arty platforms)

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Potential outcomes
    >OP can't afford a plane ticket
    >OP ends up in the wrong country
    >OP is raped by a polish prostitute who takes all his money
    >OP is completely helpless in a foreign country where people don't speak his language
    >OP visits kiev, posts a photo from his hotel room on /k/, goes home
    >OP can't figure out how to get to the front from western ukraine
    >OP's lawnchair is stolen by ukrainian war refugee gopniki
    >OP gets recruited by supersus and drowns in a sewer
    >OP dies from dysentery picked during his journey through wartorn land
    >OP finds a rusty russian ak in a ditch far from the front, gets tetanus and dies
    >OP hears distant shelling and flees in panic
    >OP gets close to the front and is collected by TDF and sent home
    >OP hears a drone soon followed by a 120mm in the ass
    >OP gets within a klick of infantry, gets shot
    But most importantly,
    >OP is a homosexual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        'tarded newbie

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The joke
          >You

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's just a joke
            kys homosexual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Shutup b***h your 'joke' sucks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >OP gets recruited by supersus and drowns in a sewer
      Life goals

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you would lose one of your Six fingers

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A tired mobik will shoot you in the guts because it's funny to share his pain with others.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely you will get captured. If Uk gets you you will be interrogated and sent away from the front. If Rus gets you you will be interrogated and sent to prison. Your country will have to negotiate for your release.

    If that doesn't happen you will be killed by mines, shrapnel, drones or stray bullets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sent to prison
      Lmao no, he's going to be forced to do manual labor off the books in a Russian uniform by the CO of whatever unit captures him until he eventually gets hit by a drone (he's moronic and lacks the training of even the dumbest mobik) or gets shot by a Ukrainian.

      In Ukraine he'll just get interrogated and thrown out of the country.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >implying a white flag will save you from being fricking executed
    some blood-crazed veteran who's been fighting for the past 2 years wouldn't give a frick, OP - they'd use you as target practice or straight-up torture you for fun all because they felt like it
    moron

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Civilian casulties in themselves are not always a warcrime. If you knowingly and willingly go to a battlefield your death is on you. If you going around collecting AK´s you become an active combatant since your depriving one side of their weapons or at least I think how that works.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nature will outlast every stupid thing humanity does.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except for all the bits of it we render extinct.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's evolution, b***h

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians assume you're a Russian engaging in perfidy and drop a drone grenade on you.

    Russians rape you to death and steal your beer stash.

    Honestly your violent death being caught on camera would be an improvement for this world Mr. Critical Drinker.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all it takes is one person on either side who doesn't give a frick, or who is having a bad day, or who has a thirst for blood, or who is offended by your presence, or who just thinks it would be funny, to kill you on the spot.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You think you'll find a position to be able to get to the edge of the battlefield without being killed
    You sure could try
    I'm betting ukraine isn't watching their EU borders very tight except for ukraine males

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just call Russia or Ukraine and say that you’re a filmmaker or youtuber whatever and want to document the war

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    moronic idea. You will step on a mine or get blown by a fpv drone. Maybe if you're lucky, you will just get scammed by some shady guy you paid to get you near the frontline.

    Anyway I'm planning to do something only slightly less moronic - catch a train to Kherson, grab a beer and just wait until 152mm shells eventually starts flying.
    Its still incredibly stupid however unlike you, I've already been to Ukrainie during the war, I'm learning Ukrainian to not really on assumption that some will be babysitting my westoid ass and I'm not going there alone but with people that meet the criteria I mentioned above.

    If you're actually determined to follow your plan go ahead but what I recommend is starting slowly - go to Lviv, Kyiv or maybe Odesa, spend some time there, check how you will handle air alerts, check how your language skills or lack of them impact your ability to perform basic tasks in a foreign country, otherwise you may find yourself in a very unpleasant situation and I'm saying it as a person that absolutely loves every moment spent in that country.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    War isn't that interesting in a modern perspective from a static ground position. You'll just hear stuff more or less.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Macron really said his troops could go carry their flag into Ukraine, but i didnt know it would be this fast

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >AI generated image

    nah dude go for it. just make sure the flag is really big so when they see it they know for sure it's not okay to shoot you with a bullet or shell. Maybe bring earplugs though, guns and bombs are so loud!

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you generating AI art of the critical drinker in a warzone?

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is this a bad idea?
    Ivan doesn't quite care if you're a civilian, you'd look a bit suspicious and in turn end up shot.
    >What could go wrong?
    A lot, stray artillery, stray gunfire, intentional gunfire, capture and interrogation, so on and so on.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You'd have hundreds, maybe thousands of eyes on you if you include entrenched infantry, snipers, drone operators and AFV crews.

    There's a non-zero percentage of people that would kill someone if they could 100% get away with it. Among soldiers that percentage is higher. Snipers and drone operators, higher still. Snipers and drone operators when they are looking at a guy that treats their lives as entertainment, very, very high. I think you'd get capped within a couple hours.

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