>army >kabul 2021
The army was barely there lmao. The ones that were left in Afghanistan in 2021 were the air force and some SOF/contactors. Aside from that, its a pull out thats already been in place for a while now.
Well its been the same every time we start some shit. Start out strong, kick ass for the first year.. then instead of finishing the job we do some absoluteltly retarded shit, reverse everything we just did then wander around aimlessly not entirely sure what to do. Its like saying all the right things, getting a date how with you, sexy time going great then you suddenly stop without nutting and start farting uncontrollably, angrily tell the girl she cant leave until you are finished but instead you go into another room and start making a casserole and fall asleep.
that's because 'finishing the job' in the mideast is literally pyramids of skulls, Mongol style, followed by systematic rape and genocide until everyone looks like a midwestern "bavarian", something the US has no gall to do.
The army has won every war on the backs of the USMC lmao. The marine corps ravages the japanese in wwII, the marines raped the chinks in the Korean War and the marines single handedly conqurered Iraq with three tanks, six IFVs, 24 humvess and all accopmanied by one battalion.
The US wins formal wars stupidly quick. The US crushed Iraq twice, the first time Iraq was one of the top 5 largest militaries on Earth. Also obliterated the Taliban when it was a stand up fight forcing them to rely heavily on guerilla tactics for more than a decade and a half and basically run out the clock.
It's things like long term fighting of insurgencies that we suck at because it's legitimately really fucking hard. It's our own fault for having strict ROEs and trying not to kill civilians instead of just killing anyone who even looks suHispanicious.
Acting like the US can't win and can't fuck up any military on the planet.
Acting like the US can't win and can't fuck up any military on the planet is ridiculous.
For some reason I'm having words drop out of posts this morning and it's annoying.
>It's things like long term fighting of insurgencies that we suck at because it's legitimately really fucking hard. It's our own fault for having strict ROEs and trying not to kill civilians instead of just killing anyone who even looks suHispanicious.
Nah, nothing to do with ROEs, they were very lax with following them anyway. But in short it comes down to the US failing to understand winning a war needs more than just throwing more ordnance at every problem.
The throwing absurd amounts of ordinance among other things literally wins the formal war. Again, Iraq was decisively crushed. Then the insurgents crawl out from their holes and make life hard after it's over and the formal militaries and anyone dumb enough to fight the US head on is defeated/dead.
ROEs are why you can't just JDAM an apartment complex after seeing a guy point a vaguely AK shaped thing in your general direction. Confirm it 42 times but there's civilians in half the apartments? No big bomb for you. If it weren't for ROEs and the laws of war ROEs are meant to keep you from breaking the US would absolutely be able to make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao look like underachieving little bitches. Instead we get 10-20 year insurgencies bothering us and the governments we set up. Shame the ANA was so hilariously worthless, nice that the Iraqis weren't total fuckups and got their shit together though.
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That said I've seen some footage of Aussies doing exactly what's necessary rules be damned. One they caught a guy dead to rights having definitely shot at them. Guy tries to play it off like he didn't do shit, one of the Aussies gets tired of him and just drops him on the spot. That's the sort of brutality you have to employ against insurgents and guerillas to even make a dent. There has to be fear.
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But Breaker Morant was shot for doing exactly that. By his own side. So clearly somebody disagrees.
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Exactly this is why the US failed time and again to win wars. Bad intelligence and then JDAMing the place has long term consequences, and makes sure to create a next generation of people who absolutley hate Americans to the guts. All because the complex security guard was mistakenly identified as a Taliban fighter by a wagey steering a Predator drone from a container in Oklahoma. Revenge is a very strong motivator. > 10-20 year insurgencies bothering us
Well that happens when you have been signalling since 2004 you want to pull out, for anyone oppossing the US it is just a waiting game for the win. >Shame the ANA was so hilariously worthless
The US created ANA and the Afghan government, but decided not to tackle the massive corruption in both institutions while at the same time allying with groups and warlords that were actively opposing the Afghan government. Also Trump throwing ANA and the government under the bus by signing the Doha accords a year before the pullout crushed that last bit of fighting spirit. >Iraqis weren't total fuckups and got their shit together though
disbanding the Iraqi army led to disgruntled officers creating ISIS which set half the Middle East on fire
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>Bad intelligence and then JDAMing the place has long term consequences
dresden, hiroshima, nagasaki... how many insurgencies did those produce? 0
but a few bad jdam drops with unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number are enough justification to make a whole nation hate and actively fight you??? theres some massive logic error right there.
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>comparing two first-world societies famous for their orderly natures to thirdies famous for their squabbling and raids
retard moment?
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learn some history man.
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>dresden, hiroshima, nagasaki
seriously, you only need elementary level history background information to understand this is a retarded comment >but a few bad jdam drops with unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number
oh sry we accidently JDAM-ed your cousins wedding party, btw don't tell your friends and neighbours... they might not understand it was an oopsie. >unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number
lowest estimation starts at 45.000 direct civilian casualties
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>lowest estimation starts at 45.000 direct civilian casualties
even then, afghanistan is a country of roughly 40 million people and the occupation lasted for 20 years. so 0.11% of the population died over a 20 year period. natural deaths are usually 1% of the population every year. just to put that into perspective.
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percentages do not matter. >bomb drops on wedding >1 person dies >all throughout the valley people are talking about how the foreign americans killed poor Hamood >insurgents infiltrate into groups of young people >tell them all about how this happening ALL OVER and MANY GORILLIONS are dying to the EVIL INVADERS >"maybe this guy has a point" >now there are more
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>disgruntled officers creating ISIS
bullshit
the jihadis were mainly foreign nationality, and Iranian trained >but decided not to tackle the massive corruption
the Afghan and Iraqi people chose to remain corrupt
you can't force them not to be
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>the jihadis were mainly foreign nationality, and Iranian trained
lol, you are delusional. ISIS is hardline Sunni/Salafist/Wahabist. Iran is Shia. ISIS comes from Saudi Arabia you CIA glowing clown.
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answer this one quick, no looking it up: which of those is Hezbollah?
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>ISIS and Hezbollah are the same thing
Yeah, you're just straight retarded. Stop posting, dipshit.
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lol you ain't getting away that easy
Sunnis and Shiites unite over one thing, moron: fighting Israel and America
you know nothing about mudslimes despite being pretentious twat, literally go fuck your own face
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Iran has been demonstrated to give sanctuary to small numbers of Al-Qaeda, under the premise of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
They have NOT given help to ISIL, and have in fact materially contributed to try and stop them, including support to Shia fighters in Iraq and even limited airstrikes during ISIL's height, when they got within stretching distance of Baghdad. This is because:
A) An ISIL-run Wahabbist caliphate right next door would be a geopolitical threat to Iran.
B) They would lose access to Shia holy sites in Iraq (which is very important to the Iranians)
C) ISIL and it forerunner Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) made its bones by massacring local Shia in Iraq, in the hopes of making Iraq and majority Sunni state and causing a civil war that would make the Americans leave quicker. Not the best way Iran would love to stick a stick in the eye of the US, but not at the price of getting Shia killed in large numbers, when they are the self-declared defenders of Shia Islam.
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>Iran has been demonstrated to give sanctuary to small numbers of Al-Qaeda
from which spawned ISIS/L
It would be preferable if you killed yourself. I would suggest you at least read the wikipedia article on a subject before you make such a dumbass post.
Iran does not and has not ever supported ISIS because they belong to the same religious sect as their mortal enemies, the Saudis. They have bombed ISIS a number of times and provided material support to factions fighting them. You are an idiot.
>read the wikipedia article
yeah, I know that's where you get your armchair knowledge from, fuckface
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The amount of "support" Iran has ever given Al Qaeda is so minimal that blaming them for Al Qaeda and then ISIS is actually hilarious. You have to be a shill to be this retarded. The US did more to support and create ISIS than Iran by your logic.
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It would be preferable if you killed yourself. I would suggest you at least read the wikipedia article on a subject before you make such a dumbass post.
Iran does not and has not ever supported ISIS because they belong to the same religious sect as their mortal enemies, the Saudis. They have bombed ISIS a number of times and provided material support to factions fighting them. You are an idiot.
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>bullshit
look up Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2 under Paul Bremer.
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>the Afghan and Iraqi people chose to remain corrupt. you can't force them not to be
there is a reason why corruption is much lower in countries with a strong judicial system among other things. Russia for example doesnt have one, and it works through their society as well as their military.
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>a strong judicial system
You're missing the human element thereof. The hallmark of a democratic law-abiding country is that its laws can be used against everyone, including the state leadership. For that to happen, the people must both be empowered and WILLING to impeach leadership for crimes, and vote in better, less corrupt leadership.
Remember Batman Begins? The movie illustrates the point briefly and well. The very first problem is that Gotham needed a cop, a prosecutor, and a judge who were willing to apply the law properly regardless of personal and professional threat to themselves.
In Afghanistan and Iraq there was no use telling people they were now free to uphold the rule of law and use their newfound democratic powers elect good leaders; they had no interest in the rule of law. Their sense of right and wrong was sectarian rather than moral.
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I'm not advocating it, but those generals who wanted to drop nukes in Korea made a point about how the US government doesn't care about wars like a general would. More people died in the Korean war than would have been killed if they just ended it quickly. I don't think people realize that if the US wanted to deliberately kill as many people as possible, they would just do that.
It's nation building that we suck a lot at. We're not the best at soldiering. I would say the Brits have us beat on that for sure among some other nations. We're not bad though. We sure as shit wouldn't get steam rolled in a war.
>the Brits have us beat
the Brits place a lot more emphasis on soft power and are good at assimilating foreign cultures, however even they called it quits on most of the turd world
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That's where we fuck up. The US isn't that bad at fighting wars, well we are but only in the sense that we stay. If we would have dipped out of Iraq in 2003 we would have looked a lot better. Same with Afghanistan. It's the staying that makes it all retarded. The Korean War was a stalemate and the post WW2 US military was already critical of our war fighting methods. They knew immediately that the US government wasn't interested in winning wars. The goal is obviously not what we think it is. Think of it like a sports club. Winning is good and helps generate income, but if you can still generate income without winning how much do they really care? You gotta remember these are globalists. They don't have a home team. They don't view these things the same way we do.
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eh you're kind of mixing up the US Govt, the US military, and the popular conception "globalists" which itself is flawed. >if you can still generate income without winning how much do they really care?
you can't. trust me.
PrepHole crossposter here. This is literally how it's described in the show. The little grey men ask humans for help, because we're so retarded the enemy will never anticipate our plans.
>full control of off world ground missions to the Air Force
Air Force doesn't want it and has been trying to pawn off space missions to other branches for probably decades now.
Hence Space Force. Embarrassingly the US was one of the last militarily feveloped countries to have a Space Force
They did have marine teams as well though, exploration was just handled by the air force, which makes sense since the air force tends to do a lot of recon missions
At that point, why not go grab a couple more and throw them in the thermos?
Daniel did nothing wrong. Carter was out of line.
Made a lot of goddamn noise to alert every Jaffa within 5 miles.
The Army and Marines had SG teams five head. Its just ashame that they never drove M1 Abrahams through the gate
This was actually pretty clever. The gate was just small enough that they couldn't fit heavy armor or full-size aircraft through it. They should have pushed Little Birds through all the time though.
The real reason is because the Cheyenne mountain base where they had the Stargate used to be controlled by the air force in real life. It was home to NORAD and Space Command for decades before Space Force took over and operations were moved
So they went with the local branch that made sense. If they had the Stargate housed in another base/facility elsewhere it likely would have been a different branch. It made sense though considering the air force has always been more involved in space related stuff than any other branch
Air force went in first, because they're in charge. They had the marines help guard the base and deployed them to off world bases, and eventually on their ships too
X-Com (which is based on UFO: Enemy Unknown) was based on a British TV show called - unoriginally - UFO. Came out in the 60's or 70's and was set in the near future (the 1980s!) It is about the struggles of a secret, international, government-sponsored paramilitary organisation that is combating alien infiltration and terror.
What does that sound like? So yeah, you just need to find somebody who has money and wants to redo the series or something.
Is the 1970's TV show, it is actually pretty good. I'd recommend it.... if you can cope with that kind of era lightning, camerawork and effects.
I should clarify that UFO: Enemy Unknown was known as X-COM: UFO Defense in North America and as X-COM: Enemy Unknown..... So it's the same thing but yeah.
Ah yes, the mysterious SHADO organization. Who require their all female moonbase operatives to not only wear silver form fitting jumpsuits, bit to also dye their hair purple. For reasons.
Ah yes, the mysterious SHADO organization. Who require their all female moonbase operatives to not only wear silver form fitting jumpsuits, bit to also dye their hair purple. For reasons.
Honestly XCOM (or UFO as you say) could be a good TV show. But one could argue that SG-1 is that already. I've actually wanted an SG-1/Stargate XCOM clone. Think about it. You're on Earth but you know an invasion fleet is coming and you go to planets to get tech and resources to prepare for it. Gives you a ticking clock, gives you a risk vs reward system. Allows you to vary the maps. Gives options for non-combat based stuff. There was an actual Stargate game, made by an indie company, that I played. It needed about x10,000 the budget to be good, but was enjoyable enough (Exogate Initiative is what it was called iirc). But yeah, could be a fun game. Sadly don't think that's happening.
XCOM 3 was what Friaxis turned XCOM: Chimera Squad into because they got told to delete the entire asset library of the game and they begged and pleaded to be allowed to make the game into something, which is why we got Chimera Squad. Because the alternative was just all going to waste. Then all production went into Midnight Suns which is apparently good but a lot of people don't like the 'social aspect' of it which takes up a lot of time.
Do you know how Marines originated?
It began with the Royal Navy, who used to send sailors on amphibious operations. As wars intensified (the so-called Second Hundred Years War with the French, ending with Waterloo), the Marines were expanded so that every major warship had a contingent of Marines for amphibious action, boarding action and shipboard security.
A lot of scifi media has given spaceship control to the Navy, because "space = sea, planets = land". As such it made sense to make the Marines the landing force component. However, if the Air Force is chosen as the branch in charge of spaceship control, it would make sense for them to evolve an infantry component similarly to how the Royal Marines were created IRL
For the US the Air Force actually makes a lot of sense. You would send special operations units in first and the USAF has Special Reconnaissance. They also have Combat Controllers which might be very useful if a battle ensues. The Air Force is almost always of the first to arrive. Ironically the Marines are almost always the last.
Space Force was decades from existing and AF has ground guys too. As others have said there were also soldiers and marines in the SG teams. SG-3, SG-5, and SG-13 were explicitly Marines while SG-25 was explicitly Army.
ironically the air force special forces are used for stuff that's actually important and might require guys who are intelligent enough to see through the military bullshit. like legitimately outcome oriented rather than midwit meatheads that are looking for an exuse to use their booger hook on the bang switch.
now, the seals and all that are mostly just a recruitment tool meant to sponge up rodeo riders and football players. meanwhile per definition a dude who even dreams about joining the airforce special forces must have been intelligent/interested to know about it. those aren't the dudes who joined up because they saw some dude in a gala dress slay a dragon with his ceremonial sword.
the scariest gaggle of cut throats I've ever seen was a group picture of a bunch of dorks dressing goofy on purpose, like just in order to make the chris kyle types underestimate them. deadly mistake. don't be fooled, you can piss them off and go like HOO-HA! into their face pacino style and high five some guy with punisher merch in celebration. Then on some stormy night a point dexter looking dude will sneak into your apartment and take the batteries out of your carbon monoxide alarms and manipulate your gas heater ever so slightly to kill whoever is dumb enough to go into that basement of yours.
Begone shol'va! >had an actual story >a reasonably logical and believable one >was actually progressive n shiet without shoving it down your throat >space opera vibes >military but not militaristic >humanity fuck yeah vibes >tongue in cheek but not cheesy...not much anyway (Damn you Cam Mitchell) >Aeryn Sun
tl;dr
IT. WAS. GOOD.
There was a whole episode for "muh strong independent whamen" where Carter gets captured by extraterrestrial Mongols and forced to do "women's work". You're obviously supposed to watch it and think "that's really bad, we should respect women". The chuds will think "damn right, she should be in the kitchen" and have lengthy debates with the normalfag fans which will boost ratings.
As a young guy with a strategic mind I thought something completely different. Carter is the only person on a pre-scientific planet who knows how to make gunpowder, build stone fortifications or calculate projectile trajectories - yet she pretends to be useless ("I can't cook to save my life!") then tries to escape. She could have been queen of that entire planet if she leveraged her actual skills.
The Mongol chief is also retarded for not realising how much he could learn from an outsider of a technologically superior culture. Instead of whipping her for insolence he should have offered a life of luxury in return for assistance. She is pretty cute as well (for a Canadian), so he shouldn't have any problem.
In the warlord's place I would ask Carter to assess all my battle plans. Every success wins an increase in privileges.
When the immediate enemies are defeated then, and only then, can she come to my private quarters. Then, and only then, do I offer breeding with my cute captive. Then, and only then, I offer her a guilded cage of luxury from which she can help me defeat my enemies;.
would any other branch really have done better?
The Army has won every war we've fought.
Public opinion stopped that war.
>war on terror
>terror still exists
anon...
Ok, show us Soleimani, Al-Baghdadi, and Bin Laden then.
>he thinks we would have won against the rice farmers and the goat herders
Lol. Lmao, even.
counter insurgency is not war, it's called policing
Well we failed to "police" Vietnam as well.
i accept your concession
Vietnam was not entirely a counter insurgency. Why do people conflate the vietcong for the north vietnamese army?
>implying we lost vietnam
The US and Vietnam signed a peace treaty anyway.
>they still call it Saigon.
it literally says ho chi minh city right there dude
And it says right there Saigon Centre
"Sai Gon Centre" appears to be a shopping mall in Ho Chi Minh City that this McDonald's is inside of.
They call it Saigon Centre because nobody actually calls it Ho City over there. Otherwise they would've just called it that.
McDonalds left Russia.
By your logic, doesn't that mean...?
THEY FUCKING WON
>army
>kabul 2021
The army was barely there lmao. The ones that were left in Afghanistan in 2021 were the air force and some SOF/contactors. Aside from that, its a pull out thats already been in place for a while now.
The taliban was defeated in 2001 by the USMC, no the army lol.
>The Army has won every war we've fought.
to be fair we'd already won the war in vietnam
those guys pictured are like 60% of the US forces still in vietnam at the time
Well its been the same every time we start some shit. Start out strong, kick ass for the first year.. then instead of finishing the job we do some absoluteltly retarded shit, reverse everything we just did then wander around aimlessly not entirely sure what to do. Its like saying all the right things, getting a date how with you, sexy time going great then you suddenly stop without nutting and start farting uncontrollably, angrily tell the girl she cant leave until you are finished but instead you go into another room and start making a casserole and fall asleep.
that's because 'finishing the job' in the mideast is literally pyramids of skulls, Mongol style, followed by systematic rape and genocide until everyone looks like a midwestern "bavarian", something the US has no gall to do.
The army has won every war on the backs of the USMC lmao. The marine corps ravages the japanese in wwII, the marines raped the chinks in the Korean War and the marines single handedly conqurered Iraq with three tanks, six IFVs, 24 humvess and all accopmanied by one battalion.
>wasn't even there for the largest amphibious landing in history
Meanwhile 3rd ID known to be fat fucks by the rest of the military has the most MOH recipients and led the Invasion of Iraq.
There were more Army divisions in the Pacific than Marines total.
How many times has the US declared war since the end of WW2?
It hasn't. You don't do that these days anyway. See Ukraine War.
Israel officially declared war against Hamas on October 7th, 2023.
has US won anything in the last like 70 years
The US wins formal wars stupidly quick. The US crushed Iraq twice, the first time Iraq was one of the top 5 largest militaries on Earth. Also obliterated the Taliban when it was a stand up fight forcing them to rely heavily on guerilla tactics for more than a decade and a half and basically run out the clock.
It's things like long term fighting of insurgencies that we suck at because it's legitimately really fucking hard. It's our own fault for having strict ROEs and trying not to kill civilians instead of just killing anyone who even looks suHispanicious.
Acting like the US can't win and can't fuck up any military on the planet.
Acting like the US can't win and can't fuck up any military on the planet is ridiculous.
For some reason I'm having words drop out of posts this morning and it's annoying.
>It's things like long term fighting of insurgencies that we suck at because it's legitimately really fucking hard. It's our own fault for having strict ROEs and trying not to kill civilians instead of just killing anyone who even looks suHispanicious.
Nah, nothing to do with ROEs, they were very lax with following them anyway. But in short it comes down to the US failing to understand winning a war needs more than just throwing more ordnance at every problem.
The throwing absurd amounts of ordinance among other things literally wins the formal war. Again, Iraq was decisively crushed. Then the insurgents crawl out from their holes and make life hard after it's over and the formal militaries and anyone dumb enough to fight the US head on is defeated/dead.
ROEs are why you can't just JDAM an apartment complex after seeing a guy point a vaguely AK shaped thing in your general direction. Confirm it 42 times but there's civilians in half the apartments? No big bomb for you. If it weren't for ROEs and the laws of war ROEs are meant to keep you from breaking the US would absolutely be able to make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao look like underachieving little bitches. Instead we get 10-20 year insurgencies bothering us and the governments we set up. Shame the ANA was so hilariously worthless, nice that the Iraqis weren't total fuckups and got their shit together though.
That said I've seen some footage of Aussies doing exactly what's necessary rules be damned. One they caught a guy dead to rights having definitely shot at them. Guy tries to play it off like he didn't do shit, one of the Aussies gets tired of him and just drops him on the spot. That's the sort of brutality you have to employ against insurgents and guerillas to even make a dent. There has to be fear.
But Breaker Morant was shot for doing exactly that. By his own side. So clearly somebody disagrees.
Exactly this is why the US failed time and again to win wars. Bad intelligence and then JDAMing the place has long term consequences, and makes sure to create a next generation of people who absolutley hate Americans to the guts. All because the complex security guard was mistakenly identified as a Taliban fighter by a wagey steering a Predator drone from a container in Oklahoma. Revenge is a very strong motivator.
> 10-20 year insurgencies bothering us
Well that happens when you have been signalling since 2004 you want to pull out, for anyone oppossing the US it is just a waiting game for the win.
>Shame the ANA was so hilariously worthless
The US created ANA and the Afghan government, but decided not to tackle the massive corruption in both institutions while at the same time allying with groups and warlords that were actively opposing the Afghan government. Also Trump throwing ANA and the government under the bus by signing the Doha accords a year before the pullout crushed that last bit of fighting spirit.
>Iraqis weren't total fuckups and got their shit together though
disbanding the Iraqi army led to disgruntled officers creating ISIS which set half the Middle East on fire
>Bad intelligence and then JDAMing the place has long term consequences
dresden, hiroshima, nagasaki... how many insurgencies did those produce? 0
but a few bad jdam drops with unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number are enough justification to make a whole nation hate and actively fight you??? theres some massive logic error right there.
>comparing two first-world societies famous for their orderly natures to thirdies famous for their squabbling and raids
retard moment?
learn some history man.
>dresden, hiroshima, nagasaki
seriously, you only need elementary level history background information to understand this is a retarded comment
>but a few bad jdam drops with unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number
oh sry we accidently JDAM-ed your cousins wedding party, btw don't tell your friends and neighbours... they might not understand it was an oopsie.
>unintended accidental civilian casualties in the single to low double digit number
lowest estimation starts at 45.000 direct civilian casualties
>lowest estimation starts at 45.000 direct civilian casualties
even then, afghanistan is a country of roughly 40 million people and the occupation lasted for 20 years. so 0.11% of the population died over a 20 year period. natural deaths are usually 1% of the population every year. just to put that into perspective.
percentages do not matter.
>bomb drops on wedding
>1 person dies
>all throughout the valley people are talking about how the foreign americans killed poor Hamood
>insurgents infiltrate into groups of young people
>tell them all about how this happening ALL OVER and MANY GORILLIONS are dying to the EVIL INVADERS
>"maybe this guy has a point"
>now there are more
>disgruntled officers creating ISIS
bullshit
the jihadis were mainly foreign nationality, and Iranian trained
>but decided not to tackle the massive corruption
the Afghan and Iraqi people chose to remain corrupt
you can't force them not to be
>the jihadis were mainly foreign nationality, and Iranian trained
lol, you are delusional. ISIS is hardline Sunni/Salafist/Wahabist. Iran is Shia. ISIS comes from Saudi Arabia you CIA glowing clown.
answer this one quick, no looking it up: which of those is Hezbollah?
>ISIS and Hezbollah are the same thing
Yeah, you're just straight retarded. Stop posting, dipshit.
lol you ain't getting away that easy
Sunnis and Shiites unite over one thing, moron: fighting Israel and America
you know nothing about mudslimes despite being pretentious twat, literally go fuck your own face
Iran has been demonstrated to give sanctuary to small numbers of Al-Qaeda, under the premise of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
They have NOT given help to ISIL, and have in fact materially contributed to try and stop them, including support to Shia fighters in Iraq and even limited airstrikes during ISIL's height, when they got within stretching distance of Baghdad. This is because:
A) An ISIL-run Wahabbist caliphate right next door would be a geopolitical threat to Iran.
B) They would lose access to Shia holy sites in Iraq (which is very important to the Iranians)
C) ISIL and it forerunner Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) made its bones by massacring local Shia in Iraq, in the hopes of making Iraq and majority Sunni state and causing a civil war that would make the Americans leave quicker. Not the best way Iran would love to stick a stick in the eye of the US, but not at the price of getting Shia killed in large numbers, when they are the self-declared defenders of Shia Islam.
>Iran has been demonstrated to give sanctuary to small numbers of Al-Qaeda
from which spawned ISIS/L
>read the wikipedia article
yeah, I know that's where you get your armchair knowledge from, fuckface
The amount of "support" Iran has ever given Al Qaeda is so minimal that blaming them for Al Qaeda and then ISIS is actually hilarious. You have to be a shill to be this retarded. The US did more to support and create ISIS than Iran by your logic.
It would be preferable if you killed yourself. I would suggest you at least read the wikipedia article on a subject before you make such a dumbass post.
Iran does not and has not ever supported ISIS because they belong to the same religious sect as their mortal enemies, the Saudis. They have bombed ISIS a number of times and provided material support to factions fighting them. You are an idiot.
>bullshit
look up Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2 under Paul Bremer.
>the Afghan and Iraqi people chose to remain corrupt. you can't force them not to be
there is a reason why corruption is much lower in countries with a strong judicial system among other things. Russia for example doesnt have one, and it works through their society as well as their military.
>a strong judicial system
You're missing the human element thereof. The hallmark of a democratic law-abiding country is that its laws can be used against everyone, including the state leadership. For that to happen, the people must both be empowered and WILLING to impeach leadership for crimes, and vote in better, less corrupt leadership.
Remember Batman Begins? The movie illustrates the point briefly and well. The very first problem is that Gotham needed a cop, a prosecutor, and a judge who were willing to apply the law properly regardless of personal and professional threat to themselves.
In Afghanistan and Iraq there was no use telling people they were now free to uphold the rule of law and use their newfound democratic powers elect good leaders; they had no interest in the rule of law. Their sense of right and wrong was sectarian rather than moral.
I'm not advocating it, but those generals who wanted to drop nukes in Korea made a point about how the US government doesn't care about wars like a general would. More people died in the Korean war than would have been killed if they just ended it quickly. I don't think people realize that if the US wanted to deliberately kill as many people as possible, they would just do that.
>basically run out the clock.
Like the fucking Philadelphia Eagles, dirty bitches!
It's nation building that we suck a lot at. We're not the best at soldiering. I would say the Brits have us beat on that for sure among some other nations. We're not bad though. We sure as shit wouldn't get steam rolled in a war.
>the Brits have us beat
the Brits place a lot more emphasis on soft power and are good at assimilating foreign cultures, however even they called it quits on most of the turd world
That's where we fuck up. The US isn't that bad at fighting wars, well we are but only in the sense that we stay. If we would have dipped out of Iraq in 2003 we would have looked a lot better. Same with Afghanistan. It's the staying that makes it all retarded. The Korean War was a stalemate and the post WW2 US military was already critical of our war fighting methods. They knew immediately that the US government wasn't interested in winning wars. The goal is obviously not what we think it is. Think of it like a sports club. Winning is good and helps generate income, but if you can still generate income without winning how much do they really care? You gotta remember these are globalists. They don't have a home team. They don't view these things the same way we do.
eh you're kind of mixing up the US Govt, the US military, and the popular conception "globalists" which itself is flawed.
>if you can still generate income without winning how much do they really care?
you can't. trust me.
Nobody is good at nation building. The US is still the best at it, see Marshall Plan.
Pretty much everything since Vietnam.
They're good at the war part, they just suck at occupation.
At least the Israelis learned something from the British.
The US is good at winning battles but sucks at winning wars.
Mostly comes down to US public and politicians having the attention span of a goldfish
technically russian army won you every war that you have won
The US hasn't won a single war since the civil war thoughever, and you only won that because the French helped you.
The Goauld seek out intelligence, so marines would have a stealth advantage
PrepHole crossposter here. This is literally how it's described in the show. The little grey men ask humans for help, because we're so retarded the enemy will never anticipate our plans.
>when you're so smart you can't think of a simple way to beat an enemy made of Lego
>an enemy made of Lego
Muhweens, assemble!
It's the most intelligent branch, so of course.
>full control of off world ground missions to the Air Force
Air Force doesn't want it and has been trying to pawn off space missions to other branches for probably decades now.
Hence Space Force. Embarrassingly the US was one of the last militarily feveloped countries to have a Space Force
>Embarrassingly
unlike turdies like you, the US doesn't care about a fucking rebrand, it's all about the capability
They did have marine teams as well though, exploration was just handled by the air force, which makes sense since the air force tends to do a lot of recon missions
SG-1!
Daniel did nothing wrong. Carter was out of line.
She was clearly aroused by it
TOTAL GOOLD DEATH
GOOLD FUKKIN SHITZ
At that point, why not go grab a couple more and throw them in the thermos?
Made a lot of goddamn noise to alert every Jaffa within 5 miles.
This was actually pretty clever. The gate was just small enough that they couldn't fit heavy armor or full-size aircraft through it. They should have pushed Little Birds through all the time though.
GOOLD?
Should have made it last longer. Dump some pre-workout into the tank.
The Army and Marines had SG teams five head. Its just ashame that they never drove M1 Abrahams through the gate
Air Force has the best spec os so why wouldn't they take control?
When MacGyver is a colonel in whatever branch you give full control to that branch.
The real reason is because the Cheyenne mountain base where they had the Stargate used to be controlled by the air force in real life. It was home to NORAD and Space Command for decades before Space Force took over and operations were moved
So they went with the local branch that made sense. If they had the Stargate housed in another base/facility elsewhere it likely would have been a different branch. It made sense though considering the air force has always been more involved in space related stuff than any other branch
Wasn't the Air Force also in charge of all the alien stuff from the 50s and 60s too?
so If the SGC would've been at 29 palms, how many dicks would've been lost weekly by sticking them behind the event horizon?
Someone watched Macross Episode 27 I see.
Hey man, for a very brief period they were debating assigning submarines to the US Army and not the Navy.
Air force went in first, because they're in charge. They had the marines help guard the base and deployed them to off world bases, and eventually on their ships too
Those aren't Marines in that clip. You are correct in that there were Marine SG teams though.
I want an X-Com TV show so bad.
X-Com (which is based on UFO: Enemy Unknown) was based on a British TV show called - unoriginally - UFO. Came out in the 60's or 70's and was set in the near future (the 1980s!) It is about the struggles of a secret, international, government-sponsored paramilitary organisation that is combating alien infiltration and terror.
What does that sound like? So yeah, you just need to find somebody who has money and wants to redo the series or something.
Is the 1970's TV show, it is actually pretty good. I'd recommend it.... if you can cope with that kind of era lightning, camerawork and effects.
I should clarify that UFO: Enemy Unknown was known as X-COM: UFO Defense in North America and as X-COM: Enemy Unknown..... So it's the same thing but yeah.
Reminds me of the opening of Evangelion.
You're correct anon, Anno is on-record as having enjoyed this show.
Ah yes, the mysterious SHADO organization. Who require their all female moonbase operatives to not only wear silver form fitting jumpsuits, bit to also dye their hair purple. For reasons.
>called - unoriginally - UFO
Jesus, trigger my memory banks! Pic semirel.
Hot.
Honestly XCOM (or UFO as you say) could be a good TV show. But one could argue that SG-1 is that already. I've actually wanted an SG-1/Stargate XCOM clone. Think about it. You're on Earth but you know an invasion fleet is coming and you go to planets to get tech and resources to prepare for it. Gives you a ticking clock, gives you a risk vs reward system. Allows you to vary the maps. Gives options for non-combat based stuff. There was an actual Stargate game, made by an indie company, that I played. It needed about x10,000 the budget to be good, but was enjoyable enough (Exogate Initiative is what it was called iirc). But yeah, could be a fun game. Sadly don't think that's happening.
XCOM 3 was what Friaxis turned XCOM: Chimera Squad into because they got told to delete the entire asset library of the game and they begged and pleaded to be allowed to make the game into something, which is why we got Chimera Squad. Because the alternative was just all going to waste. Then all production went into Midnight Suns which is apparently good but a lot of people don't like the 'social aspect' of it which takes up a lot of time.
Still, the hope for XCOM 3 remains.
CS might not be classic Xcom but it was fun, you can't deny that
My dad liked that show.
Hey guise, let's have an army, a special army, an air force army and a navy army
Do you know how Marines originated?
It began with the Royal Navy, who used to send sailors on amphibious operations. As wars intensified (the so-called Second Hundred Years War with the French, ending with Waterloo), the Marines were expanded so that every major warship had a contingent of Marines for amphibious action, boarding action and shipboard security.
A lot of scifi media has given spaceship control to the Navy, because "space = sea, planets = land". As such it made sense to make the Marines the landing force component. However, if the Air Force is chosen as the branch in charge of spaceship control, it would make sense for them to evolve an infantry component similarly to how the Royal Marines were created IRL
blog on you boring cunt
>It began with the Royal Navy
No it didn't.
For the US the Air Force actually makes a lot of sense. You would send special operations units in first and the USAF has Special Reconnaissance. They also have Combat Controllers which might be very useful if a battle ensues. The Air Force is almost always of the first to arrive. Ironically the Marines are almost always the last.
Why does the black guy have a badge stuck on his forehead?
Fell asleep on the arts and craft table
his master liked him so much he poured gold on his head. lots of other guys just have tattoos.
Space Force was decades from existing and AF has ground guys too. As others have said there were also soldiers and marines in the SG teams. SG-3, SG-5, and SG-13 were explicitly Marines while SG-25 was explicitly Army.
The Marines.
ironically the air force special forces are used for stuff that's actually important and might require guys who are intelligent enough to see through the military bullshit. like legitimately outcome oriented rather than midwit meatheads that are looking for an exuse to use their booger hook on the bang switch.
now, the seals and all that are mostly just a recruitment tool meant to sponge up rodeo riders and football players. meanwhile per definition a dude who even dreams about joining the airforce special forces must have been intelligent/interested to know about it. those aren't the dudes who joined up because they saw some dude in a gala dress slay a dragon with his ceremonial sword.
the scariest gaggle of cut throats I've ever seen was a group picture of a bunch of dorks dressing goofy on purpose, like just in order to make the chris kyle types underestimate them. deadly mistake. don't be fooled, you can piss them off and go like HOO-HA! into their face pacino style and high five some guy with punisher merch in celebration. Then on some stormy night a point dexter looking dude will sneak into your apartment and take the batteries out of your carbon monoxide alarms and manipulate your gas heater ever so slightly to kill whoever is dumb enough to go into that basement of yours.
I just made that up.
I'd love to see the Generation Kill guys doing retarded shit offworld
>Sho’va! Police that Tau’ri!
>near daily thread about a show that end nearly 2 decades ago
Begone shol'va!
>had an actual story
>a reasonably logical and believable one
>was actually progressive n shiet without shoving it down your throat
>space opera vibes
>military but not militaristic
>humanity fuck yeah vibes
>tongue in cheek but not cheesy...not much anyway (Damn you Cam Mitchell)
>Aeryn Sun
tl;dr
IT. WAS. GOOD.
F-35 pilots have the most experiance in low oxygen enviroments.
There was a whole episode for "muh strong independent whamen" where Carter gets captured by extraterrestrial Mongols and forced to do "women's work". You're obviously supposed to watch it and think "that's really bad, we should respect women". The chuds will think "damn right, she should be in the kitchen" and have lengthy debates with the normalfag fans which will boost ratings.
As a young guy with a strategic mind I thought something completely different. Carter is the only person on a pre-scientific planet who knows how to make gunpowder, build stone fortifications or calculate projectile trajectories - yet she pretends to be useless ("I can't cook to save my life!") then tries to escape. She could have been queen of that entire planet if she leveraged her actual skills.
The Mongol chief is also retarded for not realising how much he could learn from an outsider of a technologically superior culture. Instead of whipping her for insolence he should have offered a life of luxury in return for assistance. She is pretty cute as well (for a Canadian), so he shouldn't have any problem.
In the warlord's place I would ask Carter to assess all my battle plans. Every success wins an increase in privileges.
When the immediate enemies are defeated then, and only then, can she come to my private quarters. Then, and only then, do I offer breeding with my cute captive. Then, and only then, I offer her a guilded cage of luxury from which she can help me defeat my enemies;.
today they would be the space force