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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'll believe it when i'll see these birds in ukrainian colors

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ooooooooooooooo liverybros

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ERA when?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Now

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sooooo... UK is gonna get F-16 fighters for ukraine?
        Like_what_I_am_smoking?.jpg

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      muraxx

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blue angels

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sooner then you think
    >But not as soon as you hope

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sooner then you think
      So less then 3 weeks
      >But not as soon as you hope
      So longer then a week

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Glove status?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why not just send retired American F-16 pilots? There is nothing illegal about that. They're volunteers. It'd be the Fighting Tigers 2.0.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Man I bet the flying tigers got so much Chang pussy

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        muh optics

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's called a "targeting pod" on planes.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The US does not want to give Russia the chance to cope and say they only lost because NATO attacked

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I unironically believe this is a major factor in how NATO has been titrating aid and gradually sending new classes of weapon systems. Not the only factor, but a big one.
          Part of it is that the Ukranian resistance is now the core of a newly forged national identity. Different factions and regions suddenly have a lot more in common with each other, and the sense of patriotism has helped with a lot of things - one example is anticorruption efforts.
          The other part is that after initial attempts to give Putin an offramp back to the 2014 status quo, he doubled down. From the standpoint of the West, that means Russian imperial ambitions need to be unequivocally stubbed out, and that factors into hammering the lesson home to RF recidivists who otherwise might go for the cope and pull this kind of stunt again.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        US learned it’s lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
        If you fight for the side you want to win, they’ll never be confident to fight without you. It’s the ‘teach a man to fish’ mentality shift of the US foreign policy.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why not just send retired American F-16 pilots? There is nothing illegal about that. They're volunteers. It'd be the Fighting Tigers 2.0.

          >teach a man to fish
          Yep
          On top of that Ukraine is really suitable operate F16s since they have already a ton of trained MIG/SU pilots that sit on their asses since Ukraine lacks spare planes
          Retraining to F16 those already trained and experienced pilot, from a country that has Airforce command structures present, takes way less time than having to train someone from zero, from a country that had no air capabilities at all before.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The retired pilots can do that if their own accord, but it isn't a good idea for the US to actively send any kind of personal over there to openly operate weapons and aircraft. Not to mention like

        US learned it’s lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
        If you fight for the side you want to win, they’ll never be confident to fight without you. It’s the ‘teach a man to fish’ mentality shift of the US foreign policy.

        already posted, the US found out that it's much better to teach and steer whatever side they support in the right direction rather than just do the jobs themselves and watch everything go to hell when they let said side take over with hardly any experience in operating the equipment in an effective way.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You think some pilot who served for 10-20 years wants to go get shot down over some potato-slav-vodka war?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          absolutely, yes. saw an interview with a seasoned F16 pilot a few months ago where he said he wanted to fly for Ukraine

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do guys who spent their entire career dreaming of slaughtering russians still want to slaughter russians

          idk dude hard one

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I’m sure there’s plenty of retired American fighter pilots foaming at the mouth to leave their comfy pensions and airline pilot jobs behind to risk getting shot down, killed, or captured by vatnigs over stupid slavic land grab war #72.
        Get fricking real.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most retired military pilots become civilian pilots and get paid more than most western Euros. You think they wanna trade that just to die in a slavic banana republic and have endless vatnig threads posting their fiery wreck.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that perfect old age where you simply stop giving a frick

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      My fricking christ I love Biden so much

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Biden wasn't such a scared lil b***h about providing them aircrafts, the war would be over already

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly the state of US politics means it was going to be either Trump or Biden in charge and I would rather not have the guy that praises Putin.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this x1000.
        Ukraine would have been fricked if trump was in charge.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this x1000.
        Ukraine would have been fricked if trump was in charge.

        >state department orange man troony operatives
        The war would never have happened and our recruiting numbers would have remained stable. You can dispute the first point and I'd call that fair to debate. The second, literally everyone here knows is a fact.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly the state of US politics means it was going to be either Trump or Biden in charge and I would rather not have the guy that praises Putin.

      this x1000.
      Ukraine would have been fricked if trump was in charge.

      Uh oh chicken hawk election tourists are here

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the war would be over already
      THIS IS IT
      RUSSIA'S FINISHED THIS TIME FOR SURE

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        J.A.R.V.I.S, superimpose this anons picture over the timeline of territory lost by the Russian Federation in Ukraine

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hey VatBlack person, how are those assaults going for you?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          how's that counteroffensive ?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hey Benny! Look who's on the wrong side of the RIV-ER

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Waiting for the rains to pass
            https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Donetsk+Donetsk+Ukraine
            Attacking through mud is something only brainless ziggers do

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I FRICKING LOVE THE VIPER AAAAAAAAAA

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You lot are moronic. We knew for months ukranian pilots were training in UK on "modern jets". Come on now, how is this a surprise?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Somehow that and other shit got seriously memory-holed. It's fricking weird.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Patriots have joined the server
    >Ukraine has a no fly zone now
    What would happen after Ukraine get F-16's?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What would happen after Ukraine get F-16's?
      PGM spam with NATO munitions that eternally buckbreaks Russians so bad that they start telling folktales of it

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm already getting hard from the idea of AGM-65 Mavericks buck breaking vatniks armor

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        ...and that, little Sasha, is why you always listen to babushka and eat your sawdust soup without complaint: or else great HARM wil come to you.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can drop the bridge and sink any ship that tries to resupply Crimea, also they can clusterbomb the next mayday parade.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wagner gets a reminder of what happened in Syria

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      wagners get flashbacks

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner gets a reminder of what happened in Syria

        Wasn't that some heavy aircraft with cannons?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          a few of em

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lol America is just a bunch of sissies and tr- ACK!
            why the frick do dictatorships never learn their fricking lesson?

            • 10 months ago
              RC-135 Rivet Joint

              Thirdies can't grasp the(ruralite) white boy wildin energy coupled with the urbanite big brain WASP infinite money glitch.

              protip: Never underestimate the minority tool pushing ability your average Scotts-Irish NCO.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                scotts - irish aren't rural they are plumbers which still makes them formidable engineers

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >BTFOing foes with just airstrikes and missiles
            man modern warfare is ridicolous

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is a blue board at least spoiler lewd images

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >B-52
            They should have run the frick away.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The funniest part of this is the people on the ground that survived knew they were being hit by artillery and Apache, but they had no clue everything else was also hitting them.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a fricking merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns
              kek
              based burgers

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thi8s is some COD mission tier shit. COD post MW2 even.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >HIMARS
            No wonder it did so well against the Russians, it had already tasted their blood.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It was basically everything and the kitchen sink

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can tell by the map that this was a clusterfrick of incredible proportions.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        LEEROY JENKINS

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    when pigs fly

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely the war will be wrapping up by the time the first F-16s even arrive.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    THE VIPER IS CUTE! CUTE!!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty cute Indeed.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >n-no senpai! That’s my t-tailpipe!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Toob.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      what a cute little weasel, is he domesticated?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You gotta me shitting me.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      the wildest!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    SEND THIS ONE
    SHOOT DOWN SOME FRICKING VATNIG AIRLINERS
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now hand these over Austin, you cuck

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The A-10 getting sent in to mop up Russians in Ukraine would be so fricking kino. The old girl finally getting to complete her intended mission before retirement.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have a Warthog and Grach every shot their autocannons at each other? Hmm

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will never forgive Biden for not letting me see a pack of A10s go hogwild on that stalled Russian column. Imagine vatnik highway of death filmed by drones

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Imagine vatnik highway of death filmed by drones

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Risk of Putin going nuclear is always too great. But maybe we'll see something interesting when they push for Crimea.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But maybe we'll see something interesting when they push for Crimea.
          Afaik the Crimean causeway is the only area where nukes would have actual tactical battlefield value. So if Putin is going to use nukes anywhere or at any time during this war it will be there. Funnily enough Ukraine can avoid that and just squeeze him all day by Storm Shadowing the Kerch bridge and laying siege to Crimea, without ever needing to cross the causeway anyway.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon they likely would have been shot down if we're being completely honest. As cool as it would have been to see Highway to VatBlack person hell, they cant compete against Russian AA and their fighter aircraft. F-16s are far more versatile and will do considerably more damage to Russia in the long run.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          In a normal conflict yeah, but in the clownworld conflict of the first two weeks TB-2s were bombing Buk and Pantsir with impunity because they didn't turn their own IADS on

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This. The russians didnt even bother setting up their AD network for the initial invasion

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ukies don't want the A-10

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A10s go hogwild on that stalled Russian column
        if the ukrainian air force got decimated by AA, what makes you think a 400 mph fat plane would last longer than 30 seconds

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Ukraine will not receive them until the end of the year
    F-16 is a go precisely because the pilots are trained. Wait, you thought they were idling this entire time? Lmao.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Da I am John Cowboy from Hawaii Autonomous Oblast and I am writing to my local governor to stop this transfer of inferior plane?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >plane?
      ?

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >very old
    Black person the F-16 is still being built to this day, they only JUST released the next modernization block
    that's like saying the M1 Abrams is a very old tank because it was first built in 1979

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't western pilots fly for Ukraine under Ukrainian passports? It's happened before in history

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a legal concern, it's a political one. American government generally does not want American men fighting in Ukraine. They will train Ukranians, but not fight Russians directly

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about Britain and western Europe?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's all nato. The less confrontation the better, hence proxy war.

          [...]
          Nice!
          Let me guess, you also think America will go broke providing them, providing them is unnecessarily weakening our ability to defend the US, and it's further proof that the democrats are using Ukraine to line their pockets?

          The dorrar is finish.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah that makes sense, cheers anon

            https://i.imgur.com/i5zgJtI.jpg

            You mean the AVG "Flying Tigers"

            Based guys

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The limiting factor is amount of planes not amount of volunteers. Europeans all have tiny airforces compared to the U.S. Ukraine asked for Finland's F/A-18s and they said "frick no, we already don't have enough planes to protect ourselves as it is." Pilots are useless without planes

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting question. I think the easy answer is they may not need to.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the AVG "Flying Tigers"

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick these lads look great to have a pint with

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Johnski Andersonski from the state of Kie...Kyiv may have some issues being believed.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a legal concern, it's a political one. American government generally does not want American men fighting in Ukraine. They will train Ukranians, but not fight Russians directly

      There was this american guy Dan Hampton, said he would.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because western nations are not formally in a war, therefore their actions are governed by peacetime institutional oversight. Such oversight prevents underhanded tactics that fit the homosexual sovieticus and the homosexual wumaoticus more.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Congress explicitly retains the right to issue letters of Marque and Reprisal, they're just pussies

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          While it would be fricking kino if congress wrote Letters of Marque and Reprisal to allow American pilots slap russki shit, it wouldn't go down well in front of the rest of the world.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          First that was still a war act, it was just a way to let private actors fight in the war. Also in all seriousness it's more that it was found to be something whose age passed a long time ago. Privateers tended to behave like shit, not all of them, but lots, and it doesn't matter to anyone else if they're not "officially" military, they'd be perceived as part of the forces of whatever country issued the authorization (with good reason). So whatever bad shit they did would go right back to the country in question, and also they were less and less effective in the face of ever more advanced actual state armies.

          I mean shit anon, you can see this right fricking now in this very war: WAGNER. It's a private organization permitted by the Russian state to go do war shit for profit. Nobody thinks "oh wagner tortured a bunch of POWs to death haha nothing to do with Russia though!"

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we can't have flying tigers ii: amraam boogaloo because anon is scared they're going to go rogue and bomb donetsk children
            boo I say, free the flying tigers. Issue a Letter of Marque authorizing US private aggressor squadrons to contract with Kyiv as a private air security services corporation, under Kyiv's UN charter right to collective and self defense

            all very legal you see :^)

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >all very legal you see :^)
              That's all very eastern and legalistic, which isn't the way The West does things. Shit like that is exactly from the Russki playbook.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You keep repeating this and people keep telling you it's a proud American tradition and you keep not listening. America has always bent the rules to spread freedom and firepower.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but that was under wartime powers and it was a different time. A flying tiger-esque ruse would soon be outed by someone.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I want to see American pirates targeting Russian vessels. Absolutely based and plunderpilled

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the moment that US servicemen end up coming home in a coffin, which will happen since it is a war and while the Russians are losing, people do die, there would be some pretty intense political backlash that would make continued support for Ukraine less of a political freebie and bipartisan thing. The average US citizen doesn't give a frick about sending military aid in the form of money and weapons, soldiers dying always make it harder to keep the status quo, and so it's much easier for the US to let Ukraine do the dying while the West bankrolls the vatnik extermination program.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      they would if it wasn't for muh escalation and muh nooks. God, nukes are so fricking gay they take the fun out of warfare

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Nice!
    Let me guess, you also think America will go broke providing them, providing them is unnecessarily weakening our ability to defend the US, and it's further proof that the democrats are using Ukraine to line their pockets?

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    THREAD THEME https://youtu.be/qd5eXsXd6HE

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, this is literally the best possible soundtrack for a flock of F-16s appearing over the horizon. Plays when Yellow Squadron's superior ace aircrafts turn up. It was built for this moment

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZH4z6OdsU

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pacta sunt servanda, as they say in the collective West. Terms will be fulfilled and the contract will be closed. HATO bandits in the sky...

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, this is literally the best possible soundtrack for a flock of F-16s appearing over the horizon. Plays when Yellow Squadron's superior ace aircrafts turn up. It was built for this moment

          CUM HISTORIA

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, this is literally the best possible soundtrack for a flock of F-16s appearing over the horizon. Plays when Yellow Squadron's superior ace aircrafts turn up. It was built for this moment

      For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZH4z6OdsU

      https://i.imgur.com/U69Mjnk.jpg

      Pacta sunt servanda, as they say in the collective West. Terms will be fulfilled and the contract will be closed. HATO bandits in the sky...

      Naaah, you guys got it all wrong, here, I got you:

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/U69Mjnk.jpg

        Pacta sunt servanda, as they say in the collective West. Terms will be fulfilled and the contract will be closed. HATO bandits in the sky...

        For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZH4z6OdsU

        No, this is literally the best possible soundtrack for a flock of F-16s appearing over the horizon. Plays when Yellow Squadron's superior ace aircrafts turn up. It was built for this moment

        THREAD THEME https://youtu.be/qd5eXsXd6HE

        It's time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to be honest, I think the originals are better. I think the additions detract slightly more often than they improve. It seems like they were intent on making sure there were never sections without something new added, without consideration for how some of those elements would fit.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    8/10 bait, needs a bit more schizo sprinkled in to be convincing.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >In Russia there is a saying: we endure long, but our anger is quick and terrible.
    In other words: "We won't do anything but cope and seethe."

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have never wanted to be a Viper pilot as much as I do now.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 russia posts "the f-16 is an old 1970's design and is inferior to Russia's Su-35/57/Mig-29s"

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It takes years for a fighter pilot to master the F-16.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >while you were all out partying having premarital drone drops
      >I mastered the aeroblade

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >In the event that the Ukrainian counteroffensive proves futile, the F-16s may become useless in the future.

    This sentence makes no sense. Wether the enxt ukrainian offensive succeeds or not is effectively immaterial. Ukraine enjoys excellent morale, a deep manpower pool an deffectively unlimited funding, equipment and supplies from the west. The war has alreadys been decided, the only question remaining is how long it will take the Ukrainians to systematically grind the Russian Army into dust. Russia's chance of winning this war are on the same level as that of Imperial Japan winning the Pacific War after Midway.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia's chance of winning this war are on the same level as that of Imperial Japan winning the Pacific War after Midway
      They're on the same level of Russia's chances of winning the Russo-Japanese war after Tsushima

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        jesus christ

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine enjoys excellent morale, a deep manpower pool
      You mean 18 year old students and old grandpas who get beaten on the streets by police officers for refusing to go to the draft centers and able-bodied men who dress up as women and try to cross the border with Moldavia to escape the meat grinder?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        its real in my mind

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes look at line of hohols fleeing conscription in September of 2022!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you discrediting the russian army for implying they can't beat a bunch of 18 year old students and old grandpas who get beaten on the streets?

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How much of a hard counter are F-16 with HARM and similar to Russian air defense? Is Ukrainian air-superiority feasible with enough arms?

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Odds of seeing an F-16 kill an SU-57?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends how aggressively Russia uses their Su-57s. If they flee immediately every time they see aj F-16 on radar they should be fine.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna believe Russia wouldn't let one of their jets near an F-16 but all sorts of tomfrickery has been going on in this war.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Budanov will make it happen.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The latest blocks of F-16 have a lower RDAAR Cross Section than what the SU-57 designers were HOPING for with the SU-57.

      The F-16 is, unironically, a better plane and should win.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Radio Direction And Also Ranging

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          underrated

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The latest blocks of F-16
        They are getting the original stock F-16s that went to Belgium, Denmark, and Netherlands. I'm sure they've got that midlife update and some point but they aren't gonna be as tricked out as the fresh ones.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          They're likely not getting the absolute latest blocks unless Uncle Sam empties the petty cash drawer. Last I checked, we didn't know which ones they'll be getting. I'm pretty confident they'll get both Bs and Cs though and the C's have a 1.2 RCS. The Su-57 was hoping for a 0.1 to 1 RCS. KEK

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >hey're likely not getting the absolute latest blocks
            Did you just not read the post you are replying to? They are getting some of the first F16s ever made. As, not Cs

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              different anon, but from what I can read the nehtlerands have block 15 and 20.
              So if they get the 15, that's a late 80's variant, right? It sounds like their block 20's are heavily upgraded but I doubt they'll get the latest shit.

              Still, it's new enough to get a better radar and AMRAAMS, HARMs and mavericks, data link, and ECM pods. Definitely shits on a MiG-29

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that is correct, F-16As - likely upgraded but not as good as the newest ones with the latest bells and whistles...the exact same point stated here

                >The latest blocks of F-16
                They are getting the original stock F-16s that went to Belgium, Denmark, and Netherlands. I'm sure they've got that midlife update and some point but they aren't gonna be as tricked out as the fresh ones.

                two hours ago.
                Bonus: That MLU was the midlife update I mentioned in case you were wondering.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              None have been committed yet as far as I know. Just speculation.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not speculation, declaration of intent from the PM of the UK.
                https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1659599358797443073
                Netherlands and I think Denmark has already expressed willingness they were just waiting on the okay from the USA (which they just got). Speculation would be on the timetable and quantity which I welcome.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The timetable is going to be well over a year for the procurement process alone. Thats barring any major politicking and flip flopping

                Then the logistical effort of getting them to ukraine with the associated logistical and maintainence train will be even longer

                Also, where exactly is ukraine planning on operating these planes out of?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The timetable is going to be well over a year for the procurement process alone
                Doubtful.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >having to deal with multiple different euro countries giving away their f16s
                >not going to involve a massive amount of deals, background politics both domestic and international

                Youre very naive. The uk doesnt just snap its fingers and make the planes appear, unless theyre planning on depleting the entirety of their own stock

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Uk doesnt even have f16s

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Theyre partnered with the netherlands which does, the uk not having them just further reinforces my point. This is going to be very complicated. Think the political mess it took to get the western tanks to ukraine x10

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, the previous weapons exports openeded the table so I dont really see if there is that much halting as with there was with leos

                They want to send the outdated f16s. Good pal points awaits. And they would be scrap metal anyways, outdated planes. Next they buy F35s and such

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do they have the range to hit them well across the border? I though Russians have only been launching cruise missiles while safely above their own airspace?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seeing it? Almost zero.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        we can count on kyif independent to hint such might have happened, and it has humiliated russia all eternally to the point they should leave ukraine

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ukrainian propaganda bad
          >russian propaganda good

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the F-16s are very old fighters
    >easy prey for Russian air defenses, in particular the S-400, which are still quite new
    >Meanwhile the russian wunderwaffe (in service since 2017) was shot down by an AA system introduced in the '80s
    I think the ukies will do just fine

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Let's be honest: refit T-62s are very old tanks that, although not inferior to Ukrainian IFVs, are still very easy prey for Ukrainian ATGMs, in particular the Javelin, which are still quite new and superior to many other ATGM systems. Moreover, it is possible that Russia will not receive them until the end of the year, because the minimum training time even for passable tankers is 6 days. In the event that the Russian counteroffensive proves non-existant, the T-62s may become useless in the future. Also, the tanks are a step toward escalating the conflict, I'm not sure that's what the Russians need. In addition, the question of the number of possible refitted tanks is important. If there will be only 30-40 of them, then they will not show anything on the battlefield, Russia will flap them like sunflower seeds. The Russians should think it over before committing such reckless acts. In the West there is a saying: frick around and find out. Russian rats should know this already.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >although not inferior to Ukrainian IFVs
      [Laughs in Bradley]

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not about the plane but more the munitions stockpile it unlocks. America is air force focused. This means there is a much bigger stockpile of say... JDAMs than HIMARS guided missiles (I guess). Think of it more like unlocking huge reserves of JDAMS to add to HIMARS, AIM-120 to add to SAMs, and on top of that unlocking completely new capabilities like low observable glide bombs or cruise missiles if that happens. Of course the fact that it flies is huge too. People underestimate the reaction mobility advantage and the physics advantage of stuff you drop having the potential energy of 30k feet. Even if they use them very conservatively it will help.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      So what advantage does this plane have over Russian Air defense? Will they be flying low like the ones Ukraine already have? What make them more advantageous than the polish ones they've recently receive, which also carries NATO munitions?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        HARM is actually plugged in properly and works in all three modes. Glossing over things, HARM can
        >use it's seeker to go hot off the rail and fire at targets of opportunity
        >use a pre-planned GPS flight path and only start seeking radar in the terminal approach
        >tie into the plane's RWR and frick up whoever is stupid enough to lock you
        The way HARM is used in Ukraine is probably the second and maybe the first, but they can't use the third mode because Russian RWRs are shit and won't talk to HARM.

        Same goes for AMRAAM. You *might* be able to fire it pitbull off a MiG 29, but that's using it really poorly. An F-16 can take any standard NATO pylon store and use it to it's full capability as opposed to being nigrigged to an iPad.

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    On one hand this hits close to home, because I maintained these in the AF and have a love/hate relationship with them but don't want them hurt.

    On the other hand, I wanna see them go up against Russia

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    For the last six months we have heard:
    >yes T-55s are old but they are great tanks and more than a match than anything in the HATO arsenal!
    Now it's:
    >really, F-16 is such an old plane and russian air defence will have absolutely no problems with shooting them down
    I don't understand how vatnik brains don't explode under the pressure of all the cognitive dissonance they keep in there.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      When your culture is entirely dependent on knowing your leaders are lying, but nobody speaking up unless they want to spend 10-15 in an unheated cell, you either rewire your brain go ignore it or you go mad.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I see you don't talk much with Tankies and certain type of butthurt thirdie living in the West.
      Good for you.

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So how will this be any more useful than the MiGs and Sukhois Ukraine currently has and is limited to flying tree-top level to avoid the SAM umbrella?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      These can properly shoot US air-launched missiles.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        But they've already had this capability with the Polish-upgraded Mig-29s and HARM, and the suspicion that AIM-120s are also integrated.

        So other than the numeric increase in aircraft, I can't really see this as a huge upgrade to capabilities.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I can't really see this as a huge upgrade to capabilities
          i think the main reason for this is that you’re moronic

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          How well integrated are the HARMs on the MIGs tho? Do they have all the functionality they would have mounted on a F16?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Probably not well, and it is unlikely that the function the same way. The missile has to communicate with the Soviet avionics and that probably would take many months to retrofit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, definitely not. HARMs have seeker heads that are able to provide some targeting data and act semi autonomously like a Sidewinder, but the real winner of the Viper HARM deployment is the HARM targeting system. Electronic warfare pod that turns the HARM into a fricking beast.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The HARM integration was a rush job and presumably the Ukrainians can only fire the HARMs in their self guiding mode.

          F-16s are already capable of firing just about everything in NATO inventory as standard, which means they can link their sensors to western precision munitions. Not to mention, there's a hell of a lot more F-16s and F-16 parts than MiG-29s, and even bargain bin surplus F-16s from NATO members are light years ahead of what Ukraine currently has access to.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and the suspicion that AIM-120s are also integrated
          proof? firing a GPS guided munition preprogrammed on the ground is not the same thing as launching an AMRAAM that wants to talk to the plane's radar

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            AIM-120s have their own active seeker that can independently detect targets, but this of course really wastes the AIM-120's long range.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          if they have AIM-120s they are firing them in pitbull mode which really nullifies them. They still will get pushed by russkies befoe they can fire them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            you really think so?

            when i look at the map like a video game and i imagine what the F-16s can do. i'd start using them in the places where RU has the least air defense and use them as part of a push in those areas. it's pretty obvious on my map.

            you can see it, right?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I was talking about if they use AMRAAMs integrated with the MiGs. My point was F-16s would fix this issue

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine biggest problem in their air war was: too little planes and too old planes compared to the russian airforce.

      These F-16 will solve both issues among others.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine biggest problem in their air war was: too little planes and too old planes compared to the russian airforce.

        But how does that solve the issue? Say an F-16 takes off and wants to operate in Russian defended airspace. It's prospects are as grim as the current batch of MiGs and Sukhois. It adds no additional capability, except more airframes to maybe try to launch a few sorties at a time.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maintaining those Soviet airframes, even the donated ones, isn't going to be possible long-term anon. By transitioning the Ukrainians to one of the most numerous and widely used combat aircraft the west makes it possible to keep the Ukrainian Air Forces intact and operating even in a long war. The extra sorties will also certainly help.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It does though
          Data link + enhanced harm + AMRAAMs and other missiles
          It is simply superior

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russia can't operate in Ukrainian airspace either, why do you think they rely on standoff munitions?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The F-16 isn't the only thing they're getting. I'd imagine they'll get ECW and other technology too
          t. not a contractor

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you just being wilfully moronic or what? With F-16s the ukrainains get access to much longer ranger air to air missiles. Weapons that Ukrainian pilots don't actually have to guide all the way to their targets. Russians have this capability already and it's a genuine major problem for the ukrainians. With F-16s the ukrianians can field munitions that match the russian capability, and easily exceed it depending on what the west feels like giving them. My guy, F-16s are going to be a major capability upgrade for ukraine no matter how many they actually acquire from the west.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Black person what the frick are you talking about? A vaguely up to date F-16 gives the Ukies Fox-3 missiles that can finally enable them to actually fight against russian jets. Also it gives them a platform that can actually use HARMs properly. Yes, Russian airspace is massively denied, but the difference between early generation Russian Fox-1 missiles and AIM120Cs, analogue radar versus a proper datalink, proper navigation and situational awareness... it's a big upgrade. It at least gives them another means for shooting down cruise missiles

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine right now needs a lot of long range anti-anti air. For this they need those planes
          This will allow them to break the stalemate

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >So how does having more shells solve any issue? It adds no additional capability, except more shells to maybe try to launch a few barrages at a time.
          Maybe think about sustainment?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The F-16s aren't being sent to dogfight other Russian SUs or MiGs. They're being sent for the added capability of long-range missiles that can be launched from those platforms.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            the F-16A's and MLU's won't out-BVR Flankers
            we're talking about a fighter with a relatively old pulse doppler radar going up against jets with PESA and maybe even AESA radars if the russians decide to bring in the Su-57, the F-16 is at a pretty major disadvantage against those.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >the F-16A's and MLU's won't out-BVR Flankers
              Can you walk me through this? The Ibris-E is a notorious underperformer (and not even a "true" PESA). Meanwhile I assume the eurocucks are gonna hand over the Pantera pods as well which should have no issues establishing the flankers. Is there something special about the munitions available to each that I am missing?
              (If you need me to be direct: Setting aside the Su-57s/AESA because yeah no shit.)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Irbis-E*

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It unlocks the western missile tech tree.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      F16s can shoot JASSM cruise missiles that go 900 km and AIM-120 air to air missiles

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So it turns out Based Biden has been training Ukies on the F-16 the whole time while simultaneously denying they would ever get the planes? Do I have that right?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A small number of them have been training up til now, yes.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No

      A small number of them have been training up til now, yes.

      Why would you just go and lie like this? We have direct confirmation from the military in a public announcement/interview that at least as of a month and a half ago they had trained zero pilots and had no plans to do so immediately in the works.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > they had trained zero pilots
        Keep in mind the timing. You're considered trained after you finish the course. If you have 18 month to train, and you're on month 17, you're not trained yet. Technically.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We have direct confirmation from the military in a public announcement/interview that at least as of a month and a half ago they had trained zero pilots and had no plans to do so
          You're an idiot.
          >If you have 18 month to train
          If you had been paying attention to this matter you'd know how idiotic this is to say.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bongs have been training ukie pilots since february, as the ministry of defense announced at the time. I guess the US plan was to train them there, deny it all and then announce it after they had a few months training under their belt

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Bongs have been training ukie pilots since february
          Then link it. But you can't so you won't.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/GnPIdM1.png

            This should surprise nobody. So they have been in training since the start of February. So that's potentially 3 months of training already. I guess the yanks probabyl stationed the jets here way back when and they've been waiting to suddenly "announce" it this the whole time

            https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-train-ukrainian-fighter-pilots/

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fricking idiot.
              >Headlines means its real
              https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-16s-will-be-focus-of-ukrainian-pilot-training-in-u-k
              As of last week they confirmed that still hadn't begun training pilots and that when they did, it was just basic introductory pilot training and nothing to do with f-16s.
              >In a statement, meanwhile, the U.K. government said that it would begin a flying training program for Ukrainian student pilots in the coming weeks. “This summer we will commence an elementary flying phase for cohorts of Ukrainian pilots to learn basic training,” the statement read.
              The are just finally getting around to what they have been talking about for months and it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Learn how to fricking read, you mouthbreather.

              Also I'm not who you were arguing with but in the UK we are all aware of the fact ukie pilots have been over here doing flight training of one kind or another, it's common knowledge

              You're a dumbass too

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I posted the UK defence journal, the other source was the UK MOD.

                Also both the replies you're replying to are the same person, IE, not whoever you were arguing with before.

                You seem hilariously angry. I stand corrected, it doesn't look like they got the program running as quickly as I thought.

                I hope you manage to find peace one day.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I posted the UK defence journal, the other source was the UK MOD.
                Don't care.
                >Also both the replies you're replying to are the same person, IE, not whoever you were arguing with before.
                I don't care who the frick it is, they clearly displayed an inability to read past a fricking headline and confidently claimed expertise in an area they self-evidently knew almost nothing about.
                >You seem hilariously angry.
                Just fed up with morons coming on here and parrotting shit that they don't know like its proven gospel when it can be dispelled with literally 30 secs of googling. Even when challenged they just double down on it.
                >I stand corrected, it doesn't look like they got the program running as quickly as I thought.
                Next time just say "I heard X" but I don't know how true/accurate it is. Fricking simple.
                >I hope you manage to find peace one day.
                As soon as all the dipshits frick off forever ie never. Till then I'll be here and bootyblasted.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also I'm not who you were arguing with but in the UK we are all aware of the fact ukie pilots have been over here doing flight training of one kind or another, it's common knowledge

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they fully trained them, probably gave them quick rundowns to see how much of their prior knowledge carried over.
      I imagine we've been testing all sorts of other potential capabilities in quiet, but most probably didn't go too far. The overruling guideline of not giving Putin an excuse to escalate is still there.

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw your planefu is going on one last ride
    NEVER OBSOLETE

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Da comrade Hannah from Montana Oblast here. I think we should stop listening to msm and listen to incel slave z for facts wect is trying to bury

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is he going to ride again?

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    boots on the ground after.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ??????

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This should surprise nobody. So they have been in training since the start of February. So that's potentially 3 months of training already. I guess the yanks probabyl stationed the jets here way back when and they've been waiting to suddenly "announce" it this the whole time

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Friendly reminder that Storm Shadow bombed lugansk children literally the same day UK announced they will supply them.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Let's dance, dear hoholy. Let's dance

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cough

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Works better than the glue they use i n F35s. Did I mention F16 nor F35 will have no chance against 5gen air superiority fighter? Once it notices them they are fricked as it has superior avionics. The only chance is go beyond unnoticed but this may be hard as russians do not fear to blast EM with megawatt range if needs be. F16 cannot evade russian radars.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Trying too hard with this bait

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            nothing is more bait than claim outdated f16 will have any impact on this war

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              The faked ESL is even worse bait.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even more outdated MiG-29s with jury-rigged HARMs already had impact on this war, little ESL vatBlack person.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          nothing is more bait than claim outdated f16 will have any impact on this war

          >today I will remind him
          Much love to Georgia. You'll make it to a first-world country someday

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            What makes the F-15 better than F-16 at air-to-air? Hasn't everything been BVR for ages now? It's not like dogfighting is still a thing right?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              F-15 is bigger in every way from the radar to the engines.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Radar's better, can fly higher, can fly faster, and can haul more missiles. All those p handy for BVR.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It can carry a massive payload.

              Imagine having a ww2 plane with rows of 50cals but suddenly the bullets transform into air-to-air missiles. That's what the F-15E is like. A big, fast, weapon-pod

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Think of F-16 like an affordable sedan and an F-15 like a luxury car. They're good in their own contexts.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It can carry a massive payload.

                Imagine having a ww2 plane with rows of 50cals but suddenly the bullets transform into air-to-air missiles. That's what the F-15E is like. A big, fast, weapon-pod

                moronic comparisons

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone got the version of this without that wienersucker Boyd?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >russians do not fear to blast EM with megawatt range if needs be
          >wild weasel
          its probably exactly what NATO is hoping they will do

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      My name is G. Lowie Maninblack, from Langleygrad in Virginia Oblast, and by golly I would be just SO demoralized if the invincible Russian airforce were to deploy the Su-57 closer to the frontlines!
      You know what would be extra super demoralizing? If that Felon just happened to be in the air proximal to Autonomous RCS Analysis Drone #C114 in Ukranian airspace just south of Belgorod. Boy howdy, that would really rustle some jimmies in HATO if the RuAF decided to throw shade by making flights from different angles to show off just how low that radar cross section is. I sure hope they don't do that!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What even happened to ukrainian Leos? Did they just memoryholed those as they did not work. Time for the next step of wunderwaffens?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      None of the Western fighting vehicles have been seen yet. Presumably Ukraines going to unleash them all at once to maximize impact on the Russian side, not giving then a chance to adapt/learn.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Theres nothing different about firing a kornet at a bradley than a btr4

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >lets go marvel avengers!

        Will you cry if the counter offencive fails or never happens? Or do you cope if they get some few potato fields back?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I always marvel at the ability for russian wienersleeves to seethe about things nobody but them is talking about. Next is screeching autistically about trannies, right?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >marvel avengers
          Reminder

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's actually endearing how much of a dork he is.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >offencive
          too early for the needful sirs so imma go with favela tard on this one

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >spends all day sitting well behind front line avoiding R-37s while intercepting the occasional cruise missile
    Who cares. Sending another 100 Bradleys would have 3x the impact of F-16s. Hell even more M113s and other assorted armoured mobility would be more useful as Ukraine is still being spotted to this day using civilian trucks near the frontline which just should not be happening.

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol these planes will be target practice you war thirsty fricking dipshits. go write some more personal checks to Zelfricktard

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is your friendly reminder that Russia has destroyed zero (0) [zilch] <nada> {} HIMARS

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol is that what rachel maddow has told you from the talking box on the wall. damn you people are stupid. blood thirty animals. depleted uranium clouds over europe, who could have seen that coming. go write another check Zelensky has more porsches to buy
        <he's probably playing the piano with his dick again>

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          At least I know you're not ChatGPT, because you're less coherent than 2012 era Cleverbot

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          20,000 confirmed Russian soldiers have died so far. That's already 5% of how many Americans died in WWII. But no, go ahead and worship the meatgrinder

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    My wiener is absolutely throbbing at the thought of F16s dogfighting MiGs. This is the closest to a Cold War gone hot we’re going to see, lads

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There will be no dogfighting. As

      https://i.imgur.com/I9wdEAj.png

      >spends all day sitting well behind front line avoiding R-37s while intercepting the occasional cruise missile
      Who cares. Sending another 100 Bradleys would have 3x the impact of F-16s. Hell even more M113s and other assorted armoured mobility would be more useful as Ukraine is still being spotted to this day using civilian trucks near the frontline which just should not be happening.

      said theyre going to be operating well inside ukie airspace intercepting things and trading standoff munitions with russian jets

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So how the frick is Ukraine unlocking all this red line shit?
    I assume it means every single glowie agency has assessed Russia is going to lose and this turned westerners fearless about actually committing to making it happen

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      NATO wants the war over and won before the putinshill moron drumpf and the republicans have a chance to win the 2024 election

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Trump doesn't stand a chance at winning.

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    SIR DO NORT REDEEM THE ESCALATION, I SAID DO NOOOOOOOORT REDEEM THE ESCALATION!

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I see we're at Bargaining. We just skipped right over Anger, huh?

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Outdated junk surpassed by the F-15E, F/A-18 Super Hornet, F-22, F-35
    wooo

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no russian fighters

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you asked me in the 1980s I'd say the Su-27 and F-16 are comparable in performance. But nowadays the F/A-18 Super Hornet and F-22 are the GOATs. F-35 is too expensive for my tastes

        Depends entirely which F-16s they are getting

        Likely F-16Bs

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Likely F-16Bs
          Do you have a single shred of evidence to base this off of, other than your fevered delusions of course?

          Garbage and easy prey for s300 and s400

          You're a dumbass

          You'd think so, but the S-300 hasn't performed that well against Ukraine's existing airforce of even older soviet garbage

          >You'd think so
          You shouldn't

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thats an assumption not a claim. Tone down your language Black person

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Then how did you arrive at "likely" if you are basing it off of literal nothing? Do you even know what differentiates a B from an A or C? Are you even aware of how few Bs were ever produced?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you have a single shred of evidence to base this off of, other than your fevered delusions of course?
            If they're European F-16's they'll be F-16AM/BM (roughly equivalent to Block 50 in capabilities) because that's what Euro countries have. If they come from US stocks they'll likely be F-16C Block 40 or Block 50 and hopefully some F-16CJ/DJ Wild Weasels because that's what the US has flying. A few block 70 F-16V would be cool but a complete pipe dream.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >If they're European F-16's they'll be F-16AM/BM (roughly equivalent to Block 50 in capabilities) because that's what Euro countries have

              >The latest blocks of F-16
              They are getting the original stock F-16s that went to Belgium, Denmark, and Netherlands. I'm sure they've got that midlife update and some point but they aren't gonna be as tricked out as the fresh ones.

              MLUed F-16As from Belgium/Netherlands/Denmark

              Those would be the original As (and a few Bs), not the AMs. I know Denmark has a few of those but I find it hard to believe they are gonna hand over their new shit and keep the planes they were already trying to retire.
              >If they come from US stocks
              Up till now Bidem admin has shown resistance to providing them themselves and tried to arrange for them to come from European/Nato partners
              >A few block 70 F-16V would be cool but a complete pipe dream.
              Indeed

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              No one is going to hand over their newest shit

              Also, f16 without support is literally worthless for SEAD no matter how many cope HARMs you give them because the s300 and s400 outrange them no matter if they are lobbing missiles in seeker mode for standoff or not

              These things are going to be flaming wrecks if they actually attempt to get anywhere close to the russian AD network

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You say that yet Ukriane has had its airforce for over a year.
                Planes and pilots are somewhat expendable as long as the value cost was higher to the enemy after all, anon. You don't look at their losses from a single exchange, and you certainly don't pigeonhole them into trying to SEAD with limited AA capabilities.
                Russia has radar gaps, and Russian radar planes are highly limited, the west knows the radar situation better than anyone and they're saying it's a good idea so obviously it must have a use.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The F-35 is cheap, unless you're buying the STOVL version. Hell, it is cheaper than 4th Gen fighters like Rafale, SU-35, and Grippen.

          The F-16 is a better plane than the SU-27, cheaper to operate, cheaper to maintain, has more modern technology, better weapon systems. It is also theoretically cheaper if you can get the basic b***h variant. Parts are easy to acquire too. The most modern F-16 Variants are just as stealthy as SU-57, better performance, and 1/2 the price.

          SU-27 is around 35M
          F-16 is around 35-64M depending on variant
          F-18 is around 67M
          F-35A is around 79M (B and C are more because of STOVL and carrier-borne variant options. Around 135M and 117M respectively)
          Grippen is around 85M for the newest variant.
          SU-35 is around 85M
          Rafale is around 115M
          SU-57 is around 139M Million++ They were hoping to drive down the cost if someone ordered them. Currently they're being built "bespoke" without a real assembly line.
          F-22 is around 143M

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's a fricking idiot larping like he has the slightest inkling of what he is talking about. You are wasting your time.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hell, it is cheaper than 4th Gen fighters like Rafale, SU-35, and Grippen
            Lockheed is making bank. But I'm still biased to the F/A-18 Super Hornet, they're just so good
            >The F-16 is a better plane than the SU-27, cheaper to operate, cheaper to maintain, has more modern technology, better weapon systems.
            Today absolutely. During the 1980s they were comparable with some differences

            Despite all this its clear that European nations are removing the old for the new, aka the F-16 out, and the F-35 in

            Then how did you arrive at "likely" if you are basing it off of literal nothing? Do you even know what differentiates a B from an A or C? Are you even aware of how few Bs were ever produced?

            Likely is a figure of speech, more power to whatever I say. But for you, ya need to calm the frick down before you get a stroke

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Likely is a figure of speech
              No its not ESLtard

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're the ESL considering you don't know this. I've always enjoyed using stronger language. Would you rather I say "probably F-16B's" instead? Or are you going to continue getting mad over a single statement?

                I know this is probably a smooth brain question but why does Ukraine want F-16's so bad? I mean, I get wanting planes but what is the utility they gain by having them? As far as I know Russia saturates the shit out of the place with AA so what role does having jets serve? Ukraine is a defacto no-fly zone on both sides unless you do Top Gun shit and anytime they use aviation they just lob missiles and nope-the-frick out.

                Something something air superiority. Then again some morons are shilling the A-10 when that old piece of shit would get destroyed by 40mm Bofor gun from the 1940s

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've always enjoyed using stronger language
                No one asked. Go back to whatever turdworld shithole you climbed out of

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever Black person

                The A-10 shilling is dumb but the core argument is that it's not that much less survivable than an Su-25 and both sides are still flying them 450+ days into the war

                A-10s launching massive barrages of unguided FFARs and firing the cannon like artillery is sounds dumb but it's the state of CAS in theater

                F-15E would be a better option considering you're less likely to get swiped down from 30mm. Still an 9K38 Igla might do the job

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >F-15E would be a better option
                yeah and a full B-2 strike package would be best but the Ukies aren't getting those either

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The A-10 shilling is dumb but the core argument is that it's not that much less survivable than an Su-25 and both sides are still flying them 450+ days into the war

                A-10s launching massive barrages of unguided FFARs and firing the cannon like artillery is sounds dumb but it's the state of CAS in theater

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends entirely which F-16s they are getting

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        MLUed F-16As from Belgium/Netherlands/Denmark

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Garbage and easy prey for s300 and s400

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            *Blocks your path*

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You'd think so, but the S-300 hasn't performed that well against Ukraine's existing airforce of even older soviet garbage

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why does the Ukrainian air force still exist?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's the neat thing, it doesnt exist anymore outside of a handful of SU-25s doing low altitude ordnance dumps

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                how is that any different from russian air force?

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no Package Q operational conditions?

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can F16’s do air to ground attack?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Initially? Not so well
      Modern day? Yeah, they are considered a full multirole platform (in this case inclusive of ground-attack mission sets)

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know this is probably a smooth brain question but why does Ukraine want F-16's so bad? I mean, I get wanting planes but what is the utility they gain by having them? As far as I know Russia saturates the shit out of the place with AA so what role does having jets serve? Ukraine is a defacto no-fly zone on both sides unless you do Top Gun shit and anytime they use aviation they just lob missiles and nope-the-frick out.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because now they can lob way better missiles before they can nope the frick out. It's not the planes, it's the bombs, EW packages, missiles, avionics, etc that they have that makes the difference.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine doesn't actually have any fox 3 at all and giving them a western fighter, any fighter, is to sling AMRAAM at cruise missiles and Russian fighters

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I know this is probably a smooth brain question but why does Ukraine want F-16's so bad?
      Out of the box full interopability with all NATO munitions and much easier supply chain for NATO to provide (which they are depending upon).
      >I mean, I get wanting planes but what is the utility they gain by having them?
      They lost a lot of frams in the openning days of the war and have steadily lost even more. They need to replace them with something.
      > As far as I know Russia saturates the shit out of the place with AA so what role does having jets serve?
      Stand-offs and its now possible they will get HARMs and be able to do SEAD (possible, not a for sure).
      >Ukraine is a defacto no-fly zone on both sides
      Not true. Yes it is a very difficult enviroment but aviation very much still has a role to play. If nothing else, just having it to keep the Russians "honest" and prevent a surprise/desperate deep strike.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Compatibility with NATO air to x missiles that you don't have to jury rig to soviet aircraft and can use properly with its radar systems not pre planed mode with HARM and so on and also they are smaller on radars then mig-29 and su-27 so you know some breathing room till you're light up by a radar and have to dodge missiles

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They really just want some of these. The F-16 is just a missile truck, they want the missiles that might come with it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        and we want to be able to give them those missiles as well. FrankenSAM is a cool program but ultimately the missiles were optimized for air-launch

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine wants to do a few things with the F-16's.

      1. Lob bombs/missiles at the Russian ground forces the same way Russia is launching shit at them. Russia will have the same trouble stopping it Ukraine does.
      2. F-16 gives them access to a whole variety of junk in NATO storage to kill Russians without having to Jerry-rig their old Slavshit every time they want to do something new. Once Ukraine has the planes, the missiles and bombs might flow.
      3. F-16's have access to some long range missiles (Ukraine might not get these) which can shoot down the Russian planes who are lobbing bombs. Ukraine might have to instead ask for the retiring French Mirages 2000's which also have a super long range Air-to-Air missile that NATO isn't worried about Russia copying.
      4. Russia has a lot of anti-air, but you can still kill their RADARs units with HARMs shot from planes. Russia can't easily replace these systems so eventually you'd degrade their SAMs if you did it enough. Ukraine has some HARMs Jerry-rigged to their planes already but F-16 operates HARMs natively and can use more features to make them more effective
      5. Even if you can't gain air superiority over the Russian air defenses for a while (if ever), it is still nice to assist your own SAM network by being able to fly F-16s to assist in shooting down missiles and planes.
      6. Eventually their own planes will wear down, so they'll need something to replace them. The sooner they get started training pilots and ground crews, the quicker and smoother the transition.
      7. F-16 in particular is very common plane and might be the easiest to get significant quantities of them. The best would be Grippen, but there aren't enough out there and Sweden isn't likely to give up their whole air force. F-16 is the most realistic.
      8. F-16 is cheap to operate and maintain compared to the Slavshit they're using.

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Misc cope status?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Check it yourself and stay there

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Vipers will prey on s-300/s-400 like a pitbull in kindergarden, screencap this

  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    can the F-16 sling Meteor’s?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      F16 can effectively throw anything the west makes iirc.
      They're all using the same rails, integration is probably not that difficult outside of code changes.

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably gonna be a whole bunch F-16A's and early F-16C's
    I don't think Ukraine will get any AMRAAM's, instead they'll be used to get rid of NATO's old Fox 1 stock like Sparrows and Aspide

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some anon yesterday worked out that the countries that are gonna provide have a bunch of the old As so that is what they are going to get. It was the Dutch and the Belgians and one more I cannot remember.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        probably Italy

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No that wasn't it

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Italy doesn't have any dipshit

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No that wasn't it

            Yeah you're right, I forgot that they only leased those and didn't buy them

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Was over a decade ago too. Ready to feel old? Its been longer since they had them then the period in which they had them

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They already have AIM-120 B for their NASAMS.

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