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American nature just does not compare to European nature in terms of facilities, ease of arrival to natural areas, and safety.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but this topic would be better discussed on PrepHole

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Authentic american outdoors

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The ugliest monument on Earth

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's a minument/landmark, not a natural sight.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It was a natural sight until you mutts defaced it. All of your attractions are commodified amusement parks.

        >minument
        Try proofreading once your type 2 sized sausage fingers finish their daily workout.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >All of your attractions are commodified amusement parks.
          HAHAHAHAHA

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sovl

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kino

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Aye
    I keep seeing americans complain about their overrun national parks. It's because their parks are the only thing that is worth hiking in. In europe there's a hikable road network everywhere, and the villages are often clearly cut off so the areas inbetween are actually worth hiking in. In america it all sprawls out and the roads are too big and busy to hike on. If you want real wilderness, you're well off in america, you can drive there in a few hours and not see a human in days. But if you just want to have a quick hike for the afternoon, across some forests and meadows and orchards, you're much better off in europe. It's not wilderness, but it's close enough that you don't need to drive several hours to sweden or something only to experience the outdoors.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I really hope this is satire that I’m just too autistic to get and not that europeans actually say embarrassing shit like this

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They really do believe it.

        What? Do Europeans really believe Americans can only go to national parks? I've lived in 6 states and always had easy access to comfy local hiking trails

        The tiny eurp peasant brain is truly a marvel of high-density copeium.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Could you imagine “safety” and “accessibility” being your primary concerns for PrepHole activities, is that kind of thinking the product of growing up in a nanny state?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What? Do Europeans really believe Americans can only go to national parks? I've lived in 6 states and always had easy access to comfy local hiking trails

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How long a drive to get somewhere you would find acceptable for hiking? And how common in your state? I've never lived in a place I couldn't walk out the door, out the village, to some hikable forest. That's not the norm, but few people would have to drive more than 20 min.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the US is a huge country with everything from densely packed cities to wilderness areas that are on par area wise with some of the smaller european countries.

          NTA you were responding to, but for example I can step outside my front door, down the driveway, and i'm on an old gravel logging road that goes for ~45 miles through the forest. out the back door on the other side of my property line is BLM land that spans several thousand acres of extremely limited access forest. (oregon)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            gorgeous anon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I live in the metro area of NYC and there are hiking trails everywhere, even the city has parks that make you feel like you’re in the middle of the woods and not in one of the most dense cities in the world, do some research before you spout nonsense

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >How long a drive to get somewhere you would find acceptable for hiking?
          I'll post a couple this is 20min away

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            also about 20 min

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I live in the largest city in the US, 30 minutes and I'm in the middle of a forest. If I was in a town/village, 10 minutes tops and I'm in the backwoods.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They do believe that. They can't grasp the concept of PrepHole beyond going to a designated area (read: National Park). They don't understand the concept of open, undeveloped land, because that isn't a thing Europe has had in hundreds of years.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          We have significantly more wilderness here. Where I live we have an abundance of public land. Our country is larger than. All of the EU combined by a fair margin and a lot of it is devoid of civilization unless you live in the Northeast or something like that. Euros grasping at anything to one up the U.S. because we are the biggest most powerful economy on the planet.

          They really do experience a cognitive lock up with the volumes and differences in national public lands in the states, and that persistent fixation that absence of actual property rights for common citizens is a "right".

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What the frick are you talking about you schizophrenic? Is this a European 0.1 acres of land per person trying to tell an American 3 acres of land per person that you have more ability to own land??? I hope this is bait and not someone who simply can't understand the US is vast enough to have thousands of acres of public undeveloped land, and everyone who wants some to have vast swathes of private land for relatively inexpensive compared to your shitty country.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              That's exactly what that post was saying son, learn to read and take your meds.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Embarrassing to read anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      to add to that I live in Italy and live near muh alps, which are cool and a good place to hike, bit even there it's full of people and mountain homes and still I need to drive an hour to it, and I'm close mind you, otherwise there's the happenings, there's cool place there too but the thing is ymif you dont want to be a poor homosexual you wont be living in no mountain house in the appeninnes so you still need to drive there from further away, and even further if you live in the padanian plain where most jobs are

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Alaska BTFO anywhere in Europe.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >le frozen shithole
      I'd rather have small forests and mountains with lots of animal and plant biodiversity than huge forests where nothing but a couple of tree and fern species grow.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >europe
        >biodiversity

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He's going to be one of those never-go-outs that tries to post about wild bison in the UK.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He's going to be one of those never-go-outs that tries to post about wild bison in the UK.

          I live in a Mediterranean country, I can see three different biomes in a two hour long car ride.
          You can drive in Alaska for two weeks straight and it will be as if you never moved.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >s-s-smaller is b-b-better!11

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You can drive in Alaska for two weeks straight and it will be as if you never moved.
            Imagine thinking this is a bad thing. This whole thread has to be bait, because only complete idiots would actually believe that development, accessibility, and smallness are actually pluses when going outdoors.

            It could be true, though. Eurostanians may very well be that badly disconnected from nature. Gotta hand it to Europe for their (usually) walkable and cyclable cities, good public transit, and quality infrastructure, but you don't need to install anything onto nature to make it great.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            4 individual US states have a higher biodiversity rating than any country europe. And states that are often called "deserts" by morons actually have equal or higher forest cover than european mediterranean basin and even many northern european countries. And this is all on top of the fact that these states population densities are often lower (in some cases *much* lower) than Finland and half the total land area is available to PrepHole in year round for free and big cities often take up less than 5% of the total land area and house 80% of the population.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              t. north Arizona I'd really like to visit that place in winter seems cool as shit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The most geographically and biodiverse areas of AZ are actually the sky islands in the south and the transition zone running through the middle of the state from the NM to NV borders straddling the Rim. Just one sky island in the south has 300+ bird species and 1300 native plant species. While the transition zone has the most wild edibles; including but not limited to AZ variety blackberries, raspberries, mountain strawberries, canyon grapes, sugar sumac, currant and gooseberries, dewberries, black walnut, 4-5 oak species, beans, amaranth, more than 1000 edible and medicinal flowers and herbs, juniper berries, pine nuts, manzanita, over 80 species of cacti (many of which are edible and many grow in the snowy continental climates in AZ as well) and so on... As a testament to how diverse the flora is in AZ, AZ also has the 2nd most native bee species of any US state, at least 1300 *native* species and counting.

                tl:dr - It's full.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Alaska has at least 7 different "biomes" and 32 unique ecoregions. It has over 3 million lakes, 8 species of wild ungulates, 4 species of wild canids, 3 species of bear, and a whole slew of smaller critters. This is obviously not including the diverse populations of birds, fish, and plants.

            Saying you can go through 3 biomes in 2 hours is cute, because you can do that in Alaska (and more). It's nothing to go from the boreal forests to muskegs to tundras to alpine.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Don't forget that AK literally has the largest (intact, ~92% is wilderness under US designations) and wettest temperate rainforest in the world that (to date) contains hundreds of forb species. It also contains the richest fisheries in the world both salt and fresh, and even random small ponds in the arctic section have native fish populations.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                despite the best efforts of the alaskan government

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Alaska has at least 7 different "biomes" and 32 unique ecoregions
              That's barely more than what we have in the Mediterranean region, which is less than half the size. Our biomes are also much more varied in terms of species, climates and scenery.

              >You can drive in Alaska for two weeks straight and it will be as if you never moved.
              Imagine thinking this is a bad thing. This whole thread has to be bait, because only complete idiots would actually believe that development, accessibility, and smallness are actually pluses when going outdoors.

              It could be true, though. Eurostanians may very well be that badly disconnected from nature. Gotta hand it to Europe for their (usually) walkable and cyclable cities, good public transit, and quality infrastructure, but you don't need to install anything onto nature to make it great.

              >talk about biodiversity and habitats
              >mutt thinks I'm talking about development and accessibility
              Circumcision damaged your brain.

              4 individual US states have a higher biodiversity rating than any country europe. And states that are often called "deserts" by morons actually have equal or higher forest cover than european mediterranean basin and even many northern european countries. And this is all on top of the fact that these states population densities are often lower (in some cases *much* lower) than Finland and half the total land area is available to PrepHole in year round for free and big cities often take up less than 5% of the total land area and house 80% of the population.

              >4 individual US states have a higher biodiversity rating than any country europe
              If you can travel from state to state to go PrepHole you can travel between European countries too.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >talk about biodiversity and habitats
                >mutt thinks I'm talking about development and accessibility
                You mentioned being able to drive across all three biomes in two hours, which was why I quoted you and constituted the "smallness" portion of my otherwise GENERAL response. However, it's a fact that you are also heavily developed and populous, even though you didn't mention it.

                My state has more biodiversity, and more biomes, than your entire country while being larger, less developed, and less populated. Feels good, man.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >reading comprehension
                I'm saying that those 4 states individually and alone have more biomes and biodiversity than any country in europe, and 3 of them have more yearly temperature range than all of europe as well. You would have to combine many european countries to reach the level of just one of these states in biodiversity and even doing so you would never match the biodiversity by area ratio. And as for biomes, there are 15 states that have equal or more biomes than italy, france, or spain (the most diverse countries in europe).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Keep coping

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                there's only one old growth forest left in europe. there's old growth forest in my back yard right now in america. cope harder lol.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I live there and I looked and tried to get a picture with all of the. You park at the road at the ocean in the back ground, head up into the forest, hit muskeg because of bedrock, then alpine then mountain top.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is the edge of the muskeg, it's good to bring spare shoes and socks.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is the ocean.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Then there's always this.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Alaska is giga based, but how can one live there and have a "normal" job?
                it seems if you move there you become a bit detached from reality

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I live in a Mediterranean country
            >You can drive in Alaska
            You wouldn't know.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You understand how lines of latitude work. Impressive. Is this that famous european education on display?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I can see three different biomes in a two hour long car ride
            Frick, anon. I can see five different biomes from my house: High desert, alpine, pinyon-juniper woodland, Aspen parkland, and chaparral.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >in terms of facilities, ease of arrival to natural areas, and safety.
    Oh good, so not in any positive terms. I'm glad you agree that America is superior.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Brits can't camp anywhere without special permission anymore. RIP

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      *English - Scotland and Wales is still fine. Plus nobody ever enforces these rules unless you're camped in the middle of the trail or a farmers field.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because those are the qualities I look for in my nature

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >American nature just does not compare to European nature in terms of facilities, ease of arrival to natural areas, and safety
    That's the whole point. America has some truly wild places, and that's a huge part of the attraction.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We have significantly more wilderness here. Where I live we have an abundance of public land. Our country is larger than. All of the EU combined by a fair margin and a lot of it is devoid of civilization unless you live in the Northeast or something like that. Euros grasping at anything to one up the U.S. because we are the biggest most powerful economy on the planet.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It really doesnt matter which place is better for PrepHole, since none of the people arguing in this thread ever leave their homes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >panicking eurp going into damage control
      kek.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain this fixation on "public" land? You do realize this is a negative, right? You can buy 200+ acres of land in the US for less than a million dollars, some places it's even less than $500,000. Is it just supreme poorgayging and city morons that have no hope of owning anything?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb mouthbreather take. Even if you can afford 200 acres of land, that leaves a lot of good land off-limits if everything is privatized.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no, I can't wait in the line at tourist attraction hill or "camp" in my designated shitting place for the thousands of homeless in the area. Meanwhile on private land you can build and do whatever the frick you want.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're doing the outdoors wrong if you're surrounded by people whenever you're hiking or camping. The masses mostly congregate in the tourist containment zones and don't venture that deep into the actual wilderness.
          I'm not against private land ownership and own some myself. I just recognize the value of public land so you're not confined to whatever acreage you own for going PrepHole

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            In my experience, private has been superior in every way, but I'm also not a mountain climber or any of that gay shit. I have some nice streams, a natural spring, and they lead out into a big (public) lake that I can fish in either from the shore or in a boat, and I can hunt whenever I want (although the coyotes have been getting pretty bad lately). I can do some bushcraft larping pretending I'm building something useful, I can cut down whatever trees I want, I can have campfires whenever I want.

            I guess I just don't really understand going out deep into actual wilderness just for being there's sake like a lot of people value on specifically PrepHole. I get to be alone on my own land by virtue of telling everyone else to frick off, and when I go deeper into my land it's because I have a reason. Whether it's to see one of the waterfalls that's a few miles into it, or to go to the natural spring to bottle some water to pretend like some homosexual weirdo that it's "better" than other water, or to go hunting or fishing, or to just camp out and read in the woods in the makeshift shelter I built. I just don't see the appeal of doing it on public land instead of private, the taxes in Alabama are so fricking cheap that I only pay $600 a year for 200 acres and the only expensive part was the initial buy-in and even that was the price of a fricking 2 bedroom apartment in California.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              What makes you think that your outdoor hobbies are above mountain climbing?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I knew some homosexual mountain climber would get triggered by that. I have nothing against it, and I've never even tried it personally, but on PrepHole everyone single one of them has an insufferable superiority complex.
                >YOU CLIMB?? YEAH WHAT'S YOUR GRADE?
                >I BET U HAVENT EVEN BEEN TO NAPAL
                >NICE COUNTRY IDIOT YOUR MOUNTAINS DON'T EVEN BREAK 8000 FT

                what job do you do?
                I'd love to move to the us and maybe in some years I may thanks to my job, butnthe problem with living remotely is that you're away from economic centers aka where your job is likely to be located

                I'm an electrician. I'm only 30 minutes away from the nearest city, and there's a lot of development in the area so I've had plenty of work. My house even had fiber internet available. I thought it would be hard to find an large plot of land in the area, but a lot of these huge acreages are old farms that the kids/grandkids didn't maintain, so my 200 acres is neighboring on someone else's 150 and another person's 200 which makes it feel even more remote. Hopefully I can make enough money before they die to buy their land before their kids split it into a billion pieces or sell it off to a development company.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how much did you pay for 200 acres? (900x900m square for visualizing it)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It was $600,000, I bought it about 7 years ago. It was a lucky deal though, because I was friends with the person that owned it and they were moving out of state. They sold it to me on the condition that I wouldn't resell it within 10 years, and they had just sold the lumber off of it for $250,000 so it was worth a lot less at the time.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how do you afford 600k of land as an electrician
                and isnt it a high price for just 900x900m

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it's unheard of for someone to go on the internet and just lie. Similarly no one would ever own like 15-20 acres, and embellish on an anonymous forum regarding their land holdings.

                so at least we've ruled those out.
                (inb4 sour grapes, more than happy owning a measly seven acres. i know i'm a mere peasant milord, but alas, here we are.)

                But bear in mind electrians make great money, and even more so if they run their own shop.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Undeveloped land isn't that expensive in the US, and I make anywhere between $70,000 and $110,000 per year depending on how much I want to work.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                "Mountaineers" on PrepHole really are the biggest fricking homosexuals in existence. I've told them repeatedly that they can't be real mountaineers, because no actual mountaineer in real life acts like that. That never fails to set them off.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                especially that guy who spams his anime doll photos every chance he gets

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That loser stages his pictures. It's honestly pathetic. He tried to post a bunch of threads last year about different biomes, and he was called out a few times. When he gets called out, he conveniently vanishes from the thread and he lets it get saged off the board before he posts again - that's how you know he's a loser.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                "Mountaineers" on PrepHole really are the biggest fricking homosexuals in existence. I've told them repeatedly that they can't be real mountaineers, because no actual mountaineer in real life acts like that. That never fails to set them off.

                especially that guy who spams his anime doll photos every chance he gets

                Mountlets

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >public vs private land
              i like your frick-off attitude, i also dont get this fixation on private land.
              i own a city apartment and a bumfrick nowhere cabin with lots of land and im the caretaker of some other land close to the cabin plus my family owns a lot more. we also have right to roam put into our laws by big letters.
              i think only one time did we have tent campers down by the river next to my cabin but it was before i owned it and they probably knew the law because they didnt do it while we where there. if they did i would atleast talk to them and chase them off if they where rude or loud, its part of the law and custom to not be within sound and sight from any permanent structure definetly not the land owner. for all i know there could be countless campers all over my land right now but im not around and i dont care, its nature, its there for everyone. literally not my problem.
              the land i look after is only accessible through a handfull of other private properties and thats why we have right to roam in the first place. this place do see some campers but they all end up in the same spot like flies to a lightbulb and its not even the best spot for neither fishing nor camping just the most instagram friendly one. you cant even see them from the landovners cabin. it might sound weird but you have to remember we have half the population density to usa owning a whole lot more of the country per capita, you can almost take it for granted that if you throw an arrow at the most barren mountain here its actually privately owned even in some national parks.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Actually, yeah one of the biggest downsides is when people come out and camp/hunt without talking to me. I think the weirdest one was while I was at work one day, the camera I have on the only road into the property went off with a picture of a truck I didn't recognize, so I called my uncle and asked him if he'd check it out for me.
                >uncle drives up
                >they haven't finished getting all their shit together to go into the woods yet
                >he rolls his window down and calls out to them
                >they come over and say "What're you doing here? This is private property."
                >he says "It damn sure is, and it sure as hell ain't yours".
                Luckily they backed down pretty quick since it was a family, but it was fricking weird for someone to just come to my house and pretend it was theirs. There was also a time where fugitives were camping in a cave deep into the property and I let the police come through to pick them up.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >hunt
                since everything here is a massive clusterfrick of private land 99,9% of landowners team up for big game hunting (mostly elk) or if they dont hunt themselfs rent it out to a team, birds and deer is mostly done by landowners joining a co-op and selling licenses for the entire landmass, same for fishing.
                there are guys hunting on my land for months and im way to autistic to join them but i wish i could specificly rule out deer and keep them for myself, unfortunately its an all or none deal and i can always hunt deer in the entire valley instead i just need to pay the fee (that i eventualy get my return off)

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              what job do you do?
              I'd love to move to the us and maybe in some years I may thanks to my job, butnthe problem with living remotely is that you're away from economic centers aka where your job is likely to be located

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This has to be the only board besides PrepHole where LARPers pretend to have hundreds of thousands of dollars lying around.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You can't afford a house? Get a job you fricking loser.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    usa vs eu is pretty cringe, both are good. i personally think anyone who doesnt have right to roam laws are cucked but thats another topic.
    europe is seriously underrated, just spend some time on google maps and look around, there is so much beaty here in areas often completely forgotten and for some reason its not seen as PrepHole worthy because there is a old village or monastery or whatever nearby. this is what makes it more accessible since you can take a train/flight from any european city and be well into nature in much less time than from most american cities and its cheaper and safer as well.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Europe this
    >America that
    just kiss and make up

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    in my opinion the US is league's better than Europe as PrepHole goes, because in the us you got a lot more of it and more variety of biomes, and also have true wilderness since the us is so frickhuge that there's tons of places with just woods or desert or tundra and nothing else, idk about the infrastructure but I think that's enough to beat Europe.

    Europe's got a lot of good places too but its very highly urbanized and high density population, I'm European btw

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    probably,

    but I still havetons of american nature to explore. so why complain

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The nature of further away places will always seem better since you saw less of it. That said asias leftover nature is better than europes, north americas and africas.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    South America > all other continents

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    was looking around for some land in Italy to buy (in my dreams) and build a house (illegal bc of gay laws)

    is 200k for 530k sq m a good price?

    ita just a 700m square, to me it seems land is expensive as shit, plus most plots I found are fricking backyards sized like 30x30 m and cost 30k

    doesn't surprise me given Italy's pop density but I demoralized now, aside from the fact that they are farmland so you can't build shit on it, actual land where you can build costs a frickton of money bc it's priced for businesses that build apartment complexes plus they're all in cities mostly

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's a pretty good price but very expensive of course. But what are you going to do with farmland? It took me weeks of byzantine burocratic bullshit to even build a toolshed and goat enclosure in my field which is just a couple hectares.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw i live in florida
    i would trade this for europe anyday. Unless I get my hands on a boat, then maybe it won't be so bad.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You have failed at nature appreciation. You are an embarrassment to yourself.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it's boring... same old swamp and 100 degree weather. fishings great though

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I suffer in England

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    MEANWHILE IN YUROPOOR
    >RAMSAU, Austria (AP) — Mild weather has left many regions of Europe that would normally be blanketed in snow at this time of year bare, and winter sports resorts are fearing for the future.
    >Many are using snow machines to make artificial pistes, leaving thin white lines snaking through otherwise green and brown landscapes.
    nice "out" you got there

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sad. It's a la nina Pacific cycle year (bad and below average snow for the south) and AZ and NM both have 5ft of base snow depth on some of their mountains and another 2-4ft is forecast this weekend into Tuesday. Also CO moose have officially wandered into NM (likely southernmost wanderer in the world).

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All the mutts in the thread sound like the same dude who's never left their home town, poster child for "Peaked in highschool" types.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. poster child "bullied in highschool" type

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm italian and hate american culture and politics, but america is so much better for PrepHole things that it's not even funny. Other than the vast wilderness, the main problem here is that it's functionally illegal to camp anywhere, land is all private, "forest cops" hunt you down if you ever light a fire, forests are actually just tree plantations outside of natural parks (which are full of cops), you need a license for everything from mushrooms to hunting to fishing to cutting wood. It sucks. It's just not fun.

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