Let's be real here. I am as pro-Ukraine as they come and I want them to enact TZD asap. But can we be real about this for 1 second?
Are their numbers true?
Let's be real here. I am as pro-Ukraine as they come and I want them to enact TZD asap.
Let's be real here. I am as pro-Ukraine as they come and I want them to enact TZD asap. But can we be real about this for 1 second?
Are their numbers true?
>Are their numbers true?
They are too low.
300k dead and not a peep from the population.
if true this is extremely disturbing
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/26/russia-prison-population-convicts-war/
Putin will empty every prison before he touches his Moscow and St. Petersburg golden boys
Getting rid of two birds with one stone
It's not because nearly all of them go back to reoffend kek.
There are thousands of muscovites died and dying. Just yesterday there was 12min video with pipe layer of Moskovgas, who was mobilized few month ago.
israelitetin can grind average worked bydlo for months before anyone find out, because they dont even have friends to spread what happens.
I'm all for agknowledging the cynical malice of the Russian government, but
>because they dont even have friends to spread what happens
there's no way there are people this nakedly evil in positions of power, right?
To look at their fellow countrymen and say "send a letter to that one, he gets 2 likes on facebook, no one will miss him or be discouraged if he comes back missing a leg"...
I refuse to believe this is actually how the draft is being optimized.
Prisoners, communal workers, all kind of lower class, villagers - biggest part of hidden mobilization that never ended. Factory and communal workers from moscow is not exception, if anything, there are more of them and they are easily replaced by tajiks, because asians move mostly to capital.
>lower class
Keep in mind, putin said that everyone who have more that 17k rubbles income is middle class.
>everyone who have more that 17k rubbles income is middle class
Funny enough, they also lowered the bar where you are not counted as poor from 7100 to 6300, reducing the number of poor people by 3 mil.
>See comrades the economy is doing great
>they also lowered the bar where you are not counted as poor
Didn't even the Russians laugh at that? I mean, as much as they dare laugh at anything their government says these days.
>not a peep from the population.
I doubt they can even use the internet.
Do you have one of these from 2023?
jesus christ look at the scale changing
>only counting 15,000 dead
Cleansing his population
>(identified)
Oh boy do I have news for them.
what the fuck
how does this happen
I looked at pixels and saw funny faces. It's probably just a funpost
https://belgorod.bezformata.com/listnews/priyuta-angel-gniyut-dve/118847066/?amp=1
It's actually from july. I didn't remember seeing that one. Now I'm seeing faces.
At the rate this is going, maybe by the end of year, 1% of male population of Tuva will be dead from this war.
Russia has lost a lot more people this year than in 2022 too.
Tuva has a population of 336,651 ( 2021 census )
>1% of male population of Tuva will be dead from this war.
try nearly 100% on
Dagestani are capable of organizing a lynch mob.
Only when wanting to kill israelites tho.
>all that red in the areas near central asia and mongolia
>buryatia being pitch-black
was this entire war just a covert way of genociding all the Mongols and Turks?
The reason why these siberian oblasts have such high casulty rates is threefold. One, yeah, they're conscripting people who live in towns with no internet and shit so there's less of a reaction.
Two, it gets rid of ethnic minorities.
Three, is that the russian army in those regions is actually a desireable occupation because they are dirt fucking poor and have 0 job opportunities, so you have a much higher rate of them signing up willingly.
Almost 1/3 of Russians don’t even have flushable toilets.
>Not even ten per capita
Those are rookie numbers, got those--
>53 max
That's more like it.
>israeli Autonomous Oblast is deep red
...huh
They had less than 200k residents there, so 20 getting killed means red.
Nobody gives a fuck about churkas and inmates.
Russia has a death cult, 300k is NOT ENOUGH
If you aren't taking massive casualties, you aren't fighting seriously enough (according to Russians).
Can Russia ever attain artillery superiority?
I don't think it's even a problem of numbers, but their organization is still garbage and has deep issues preventing it from getting any better.
After Avdiivka, many vatnik milbloggers have been complaining that they can't even coordinate a mechanical infantry assault properly, let alone run artillery suppression or counter-battery fire.
One stated reason for the heavy losses at Avdiivka was that each unit pretty much moved in on their own schedule, leading to their defeat in detail. The Ukie artillery and drone detachments could focus on small units at a time and crush them before the next one was spotted.
Hmm, so it was more due to incompetence than better tech that Ukraine was able to stomp puccia?
The bulk of the weapons and equipment they've gotten as donations from around europe are just updated or retrofitted versions of late era soviet gear
>Well, class?
>What have we learned in 1 year, 8 months, 1 week and 1 day?
Funny to see Russians wage war identically to how they play dota
>Kremlin announces they will be handing over control of the war effort to mercenary Korean Starcraft 2 players
>implying it's not Majesty with payments for taking objectives
You sound surprised
Please,who is TI 2021 and 2023 winners are?
Can you provide the original Russian so I can try to see what he was saying. I've a feeling there is a lot of sarcasm here.
https://nitter.net/wartranslated/status/1714954824628809760
https://t.me/philologist_zov/598
No shit. The post is entirely bitching about how the Russian military's death cult is retarded.
Meanwhile Israel is eradicating Hamas in actual urban warfare (supposedly the most attrition) with zero losses in the past two weeks. Zingers are useless disgusting animals
>inb4 muh western arms and training
Russia is 20 times larger than Israel. They should be able to deal with a few javelins and fucking militias lmfao
i guess i'm unknowingly a part of their death cult lol
russia fights so badly that they don't consider quitting before several million permanent (crippled or dead) casualties, historically
>300k dead
I think it's "permanent casualties", so it includes wounded so badly they can't return to service. It's probably about 150-200k dead though.
I read sometime ago that about half of their wounded need to have amputations due to their lack of medical care.
Didn't some BARS (Russian Army Reserve) volunteer guys say in their appeal video that their wounded sometimes have to wait for days with the same tourniquets on?
I don't think the limbs are salvageable after that, no matter what kind of wound they had.
from the comments:
"Now it’s clear why they go to the front. After this it won't get any worse. If you are lucky, you will bring money, if you are unlucky, at least the family will receive several million. A huge source of volunteers, it's beneficial to have such a population. And they will vote as they should."
Russia has millions of minorities
Muscovites don't care even if millions of these minorities die and Putler will never draft them because it will collapse his power base
When Russia runs out of these minorities they'll start mass hiring ex-Soviet satellite citizens like Central Asians and even Russian allies like Norks, Cubans, Venezuelans, etc.
At that point the only real question is how much Ukrainian soldiers will be left? There's not a lot of Ukrainians compared to Russians
>they'll start mass hiring ex-Soviet satellite citizens
LMAO. How they're gonna pay for that?
lie to them, wooing them with big money and shit and enslave once they arrive an enlist into russhit foreign legion. you gotta remember most of those going will be ~60 IQ subhumans.
but yeah, realistically i'm sure the states will prevent their countrymen leaving en masse, so it will be a rather low number of dumb smelly churkas from all the -stans going to fight for russia
Not sure if cope or if people genuinly believe this.
The thing about the Churka population of Moskow and St Petersburg is that they are the only ones who WILL start shit if they get drafted disproportionally.
And they have the numbers to seriously destabilize Russia from the inside since 30% of the population is already muslim.
The same is true about the Chechens, which is why they get cushy positions as barrier troops while Siberians and ethnic Russians get thrown into the meatgrinder at the front.
Dages already tried to chimp out against mobilization but were put down relatively quickly
Between the borderline depressing apathy that Russians have to any around them to how Russia doesn't really touch the guys in Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's not surprising that nobody cares about AT LEAST 150k dead
Putin will genocide his own brownoids to genocide the ukies
When war comes for the muscovite, they will hang putin in the red square
>picrel
Ukraine is known for underreporting rusnagger deaths since 2014
Skaven slaves are expendable and their deaths will not impact the morale of other Skaven.
>Life is cheap-cheap!
>too low
Seriously this. Russia has been intentionally refusing to accept vatnik corpses back so that they don't have to pay out death benefits. This has been happening since the first days of the war.
Russia has been using prison conscripts in "meat assaults" where an outright majority of them -- more than half -- get slaughtered zerg-rushing fortified positions. Russia did the same with the LNR/DNR suckers who stayed in those occupied regions.
In May 2023, Prigozhin offhandedly mentioned that Wagner alone, while taking Bakhmut alone, had 20,000 KIA -- 10,000 of their regulars and 10,000 more of the prison conscripts. That's KIA, not KIA+WIA. Prigozhin also said that the number of WIA was double the number of KIA. This is a much better (because fuck Russia) ratio than the usual 3:1 that the rest of the world assumes will be seen, and is probably a mixture of bad-to-nonexistent medical care combined with "who the fuck cares if a bunch of HIV-infected criminals get killed?" attitude.
And that's JUST Wagnerites, not the regular military units assaulting Bakhmut.
Oh, and let's not forget the Chechen "barrier troops" who have been discussed in phone-call intercepts and occasionally even caught on video executing any vatniks who try to retreat from battle.
Then you have all the vaporized vatniks who are contributing to global warming after their tanks entered the turret-toss competition.
Ukraine has made no secret that it is counting only numbers of visible dead found in BDA photos. Vatniks don't get counted if they got vaporized by a direct hit from a 155mm shell.
Russia has had like +900k casualties, +300k dead in reality.
yes concern troll
?
most likely inflated but they are objectively winning the war so it doesn't matter anyway
In this graphic, Ukraine is counting every zigger. wagner, prisoner, cuban, poor basterds who decided to stay in luhanks who are technically Ukrainian but they ~~*((joined*~~) the vatniks.
If you take away all of those, you'll hear a much lower number, which is what a lot of other governments tend to use, so their estimate are always going to be lower.
In my country, if like 20 guys died in 1 month they would literally call off the war. (Canada)
But meanwhile the government can euthanize thousands of people and everything is cool.
well the difference is that it is voluntary at least
how come the zigs run into artillery and machinegun fire without a second thought
why do they die so eagerly
do they truly fight with patriotism in their hearts?
or is it fear
or apathy
>patriotism in their hearts
Maybe a bit of that, but also a sort of depressive fatalism where they feel like they have no choice, everything sucks and they have to do as they're told or things will get worse, either by the hand of their enemy or their own masters.
that is extremely depressing.
That's glorious Ruskyi Mir for you. That's what they want fro all world to experience.
this
I remember talking to a russian before the ukraine war who had the exact same mindset, he was basically proud to be a pain the in the world's ass.
What drives a people to become like this
>What drives a people to become like this
Being Russian usually.
>What drives a people to become like this
in my experience, poverty tends to turn people into unrepentant sociopaths.
>What drives a people to become like this
Being a russian.
That isn't dead. Yet.
God they're such disgusting retards.
>If you find yourself hesitating in the face of suffering, do not fear!
>For you are already Russian!
kek
>what we do in Avdiivka trash heap
>echoes in eternity
>ROSSIY VICTOR!!!
heapsisters... our flag...
>the ukies took it back
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
There by the treeline we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Terrikon
>they lost the Ziggerat
Can't wait for more forlorn hope footage
>on my signal, unleash Grad
The russian military system is very efficient when it comes to forcing people to fight
They've been marching unwilling conscripts into enemy machine gun fire for about as long as machine guns have existed
or ignorance
I don't know how Ukrainian military conduct their tallying, but if it's like the way I think it is like, then they probably lob shells, missiles, mortars into positions of this platoon, this company, yonder battalion, etc. then count all of them as "eliminated" as in, combat ineffective. Same thing goes for enemy equipment, if they made a strike to the position of enemy's AFV, then it's gone, chalk it up. The fact they use ambiguous terms "liquidated" drives me to think in that direction.
'Liquidated' means 'killed' in the combloc military jargon.
>I don't know how Ukrainian military conduct their tallying
Everything you said after that just proves this statement. The Ukies are collecting and releasing the most accurate numbers they can, outside of OpSec concerns. They've been professionals about it since day one and use all the most reliable methods available to determine the minimum, confirmed counts. They correct previously published numbers when they detect errors. The actual counts are higher, there's just a debate as to how much higher. It might only be 30% or 50% higher, but we have enough unconfirmed evidence to suggest it might be 300% higher. Or more.
>fucking submarine is *STILL* at 1
C'mon, guys. You can bag another one!
told you in the previous thread (where you took the image from, after i posted it) - give us your numbers
Those are conservative numbers from Ukraine POV, what they have managed to confirm
Kremlin has given gibs to ~890k families of casualties, so
Hoo doggy! I don't know how real this is, but judging by the fucking obscene amount of footage of Puccian heroes getting partialized, wouldn't be too shocked. URAAAAA
Those figures are a month old, it's already over 890k. Soon 900k. A million in two months at this rate.
>A million in two months at this rate.
A C C E L E R A T E
And there are casualties that are not documentally fixated
Really? I wonder what those might be?
This was before Avdiivka where days of 800~900 were normal days. So the figure likely increased by a lot.
The graphic had about 0.1% of male population(assuming 1:1 male to female ration) dead in Tuva, even if we assume it's a conservative value, it's not going to be 100% even in 10 years.
It can reach something like 1% this year or next though.
The graphic operates on public obituaries or other public statements, which is "limiting" when trying to determine the particulars of Russian personnel losses.
The penal battalion parties aren't getting those, for example.
Those numbers are probably faked to launder money to some oligarch.
which doesn't mean that less Russians have died, just that less Russian families got paid.
>Those numbers are probably faked to launder money to some oligarch
But simultaneously they refuse payments for those whose deaths can't be proven, including MIA and cubed ones.
I don't have the pic but I remember the calculation of "the number of soldiers Russia invaded with" + "the number they've mobilized since then" - "the number they have fighting in Ukraine now" and it was a similar figure reaching one million.
>assuming zero corruption and money laundering
so we are probably looking at 500k KIA and 1m WIA
>ww1
1m KIA (50%)
4m WIA (25%)
>ww2
8.8m KIA (5%)
22.6m WIA (4%)
>Soviet Afghan war
20k KIA (25x)
50k WIA (20x)
this is a huge war and Russia hasn't ousted Putin yet, they are a demoralized hopeless people
What numbers do you count for the Russo-Japanese war?
Learned helplessness:
https://granta.com/russia-verge-nervous-breakdown/
Their entire society is like this. Pathetic.
I wouldn't wish being born Russian on my worst enemy (Russians)...
1.8m military KIA not 1m
These numbers most likely involve future casualties too.
I love being on a board full of moderates.
Think rationally about this. 900k casualties would mean the loss of >50% of their forces. No army in the world is capable of continuing to operate with 50% losses, it's simply physically impossible, Ukraine would have already recaptured Crimea if these numbers were true.
Armies always inflate enemy casualties and downplay their own casualties, so I'd guess the true number is 300k/2 = 150k losses for Russia.
You forget about the 2 mobilisation, and the continous unreported mobilisation. At least 4-5 million russian are currently in the military system.
This shit, will go on for a while. I understand the need for concern trolling, thats the whole base of this thread, but reality is, russia is getting gutted.
They are not allowed to stop, to admit defeat. They know, when it happens, russia collapses on itself, regardles of the outcome of the war.
As far as I know there have been 700k mobilized and something like 200k volunteers signing contracts through the "shadow mobilization." Let's pretend there's also another 100k prisoners press-ganged into Storm-Z battalions, even though that seems high. That still only amounts to one million, and not the entire force will be in Ukraine at once, not to mention many of the mobilized won't even have been constituted into units yet. Most recent Western estimate I saw was Russia currently has 400k troops in Ukraine proper. Do you have any evidence for the rather extraordinary claim of 4-5 million?
Yes, I live here.
my condolences
That's not a source unless you've personally seen five million Russians marching around in uniforms. Dumb vodka-brained Slav.
>Most recent Western estimate I saw was Russia currently has 400k troops in Ukraine proper
russia comitted all the forces it could, including training officers, nuclear base guards and navy sailors converted to ground troops. These aren't the actions of an army with 600k men in reserve
mate they can barely train new pilots because they sent their trainers into battle and they got killed. thats their pilots with years of experience, you think they've hesistated on other units? their army is gutted, the only people with experience now are people who are not on the front line. we're at the real meat grind now.
Funny how the Donbabweans (RIP) still aren't getting counted because just LMAO @ paying them benefits
Anyone remember reports about the Ukrainians putting a bunch of dead Russians in the morgue and the Russians refusing to claim the bodies? Did anyone hear how that all panned out? Are they still storing the bodies or do they just leave them there?
>morgue
Freezer train carriage. Russians destroyed them last year.
>Are their numbers true?
Yes. They also cause vatnagger propagandists like you to shit themselves which is funny as fuck every time
At first I thougt that those numbers are made up for morale boost. But when we anihilated about hundred ruskies I realized that it's possible. Maybe a little bit exaggregated but who cares TZD.
probably not, id trust US/Britbong sources more than what the ruskies and the ukies say
And you just ignore the daily vidoes and pictures of hordes of dead ruskies?
USA recently talked about at least 150k dead ziggers so i wouldn't be surpised if ukies have that number inflated. 200K dead seems about right.
there was like 40k dead storming bakhmut alone, usa doesn't count prisoners/wagner/etc. if anything ukie numbers are on the lower end.
It's 372k deaths by Kremlin's own (unwitting) admission. 508k wounded. 880k casualties.
you gonna need to post some sources, son
Russian MoD released budget for dead and wounded financial compensations. So some journalist just divided that number with average pension and those are the numbers they got.
I still have hard time believeing this. That would mean ziggies lost over 500 man on average evry single day. TZD but it seems really far fetched.
Keep in mind that these numbers from russian POV would include everything, not just casualties caused by ukrainians. If you disobey orders, you get shot. Smoker accidents. Even genuine accidents and other failures behind the frontlines.
And good old russian corruption is probably involved as well. The sums might not accurately reflect money paid to families of casualties. Since we know at least some families of soldiers are getting potato sacks rather than the sizable sums they should be.
>It's 372k deaths by Kremlin's own (unwitting) admission. 508k wounded. 880k casualties.
very plausible considering executions, suicides, accidents, equipment and ammunition defects, friendly fire, poisoning, Chernobyl, murder + actual combat deaths
And self-inflicted wounds to get away from the front
>And self-inflicted wounds to get away from the front
Umm akshually it turns out that's no longer good enough, Russia is patching vatniks up and sending them straight back into combat.
Probably alot of ghost soldiers that corrupt generals are claiming benefits from among those.
Nah see you would say they’re still alive so you can collect their paycheck
>200K dead seems about right
He literally cited US estimates you illiterate vatnik retard
Exaggerated, but not as much as some people think. Russia is probably at 200k+ dead.
yeah
Russian losses can be compared to earlier wars, and noting also the fact that their field medical care must be between mediocre and non-existing at places. Sending waves of men against Ukraine surely causes mass casualties, as does tanks and APC´s being blown up with men on top and close by!
In Winter- and Continuation Wars Russia with its all military mighty, superiority in tanks, airforce, artillery, etc and with overwhelming manpower lost ca. 500 - 600.000 men aginst very poorly equipped and greatly outnumbered Finns, who, bear in mind, were fighting against total annihilation of their people and culture, every man, woman and child knew that. Same applies to Ukraine today!
Stalin is recorded to have mentioned a loss of up to 1M men against Finns. Russians agreed to peace with Finns, even though Finns were on the verge of collapse, because they could not afford to loose more men and equipment, which were more needed to fight Germany.
>their field medical care must be between mediocre and non-existing at places
Wouldn't that mostly just lead to higher KIA:WIA ratio?
And more non-combat casualties from infections and whatnot
>WIA
Evil HATO accounting trick. Everyone knows everything, and especially that wounded men can be returned to the battlefield in a few days.
Da, da. Especially men in coma, missing limbs or paralyzed.
>coma, missing limbs or paralyzed
clearly relief unit material
Even accoring to finnsih sources the soviet losses are around 200k, where did you get the 1m number?
Maybe the Continuation War?
to everyone ITT
we only have estimates for losses in WWII and WWI
The error bar for WWI alone would fit all the Russian losses.
Calculations based on speculative data are still better than Mediazona 'only dead whose families are stupid enough to post on social media are counted'
New Storm-Z status report just dropped (from wartranslated)
>40-70% irretrievable losses
They are usually a month behind and the trash heap corpses still work
Yet, you're still not at Kyev, 615 days into your "3 day SMO". Why is that, Vanya? Any reason?
>down to our last tranny
LMAO, more like down to the last Russian. You're losing, zigger, and no amount of screeching about trannies is gonna stop it.
This must be what it feels like to fight Orks in 40k. You keep killing them and they keep coming back, even riding over the corpses of their dead in their dilapidated war wagonz.
They're occupied with killing ziggers, yes.
LMAO, post Robotyne before daydreaming about Kyiv, ziggie.
Most ziggers aren't Russian.
Do you understand what Total Zigger Death actually means now?
any ideas what are the Ukrainian numbers of dead, wounded....? i know that they also have a lot of amputations, 20-50k in total (one in 10 wounded supposedly).
My personal estimation is somewhere between 80k and 100k dead and 300k to 400k wounded.
so around half the russian casualties at 3-4 times less inhabitants - a couple million fled ukr and they are now at 27m population. probably similar to russia, but they are still probably at 130-140m.
Gender reassignment surgery was created by a Russian. Don't be a retard.
>Gender reassignment surgery was created by a Russian. Don't be a retard.
Maybe you should consider not being one. The first identifiable such surgery was in Germany.
You're wrong. That's OK. Ignorance is fine.
>y-y-you're one!
That's literally textbook projection. Just transition or seek help, fuck sake. Don't project your shit on me.
Stop talking about trannies, you bellends, this isn't /misc/.
What? That’s retarded. There were sex change operations in Weimar Germany. Literally conducted by a German israelite. His research and his institute were targeted by nazis for book burnings
It means the first one that actually gave a "real vagina"
Okay what does that have to do with what I posted?
Oryx:
>Tanks: 2439
>APVs: 4594
Pentagon estimate:
>120,000 killed (August 2023)
Based on this the AFU overcount is probably about 2X.
Pentagon doesn't include PMC's or prison conscripts, only 'official' soldiers.
Still that would make like 200-250k dead total.
Last year one unit was bitching that they deployed in December without any tents.
I think a bunch of people are dying of shit like frostbite and trenchfoot.
>Let's be real here.
Its says "Losses". Yes this is the price of a gigantic front that had to be embarrassingly changed, taking more than 3 major cities and charging fortified positions.
No its insane. Russia had like 200k in the initial invasion force, now they're up to maybe 600k, if we add in the losses we're looking at maybe 1 mil total personnel who have ever been to ukraine. This means they lost maaybe 400k at most, but this isn't KIA - this is total wounded/captured/fired/KIA/rotated out etc. Real KIA is probably like 100k or so.
The rest of the numbers are similar, like Oryx lists 93 aircraft and this claims 321. Its possible some aircraft fell into the sea or whatever, but its pretty obvious the majority of them have been recorded, so we're looking at like 300% overclaim there too. Etc etc
I would expect the bulk of aircraft losses to go unrecorded as most Russian aircraft are downed over Russian controlled territory
>its pretty obvious the majority of them have been recorded
It's pretty much the opposite of obvious, retard. Aerial kills are much harder to visually confirm than land vehicle kills.
Planes are crashing beyond LOS and cannot be recorded until the fuselage is found.
Lots of Kherson and Kharkiv oblast had Su-25 carcasses that were unrecorded until liberated.
Anon, they have had mobilisations and prison conscription since then. Wagner even said Ukraine was undercounting their losses kek like at what point do you wake up and smell the roses.
Adviidka cauldron status?
Ridiculous hohol propaganda, cumrade.
Everybody understands not a single brave puccian soldier has died in evil HATO territory while mighty puccia has killed 7 billion homogay biolab Boris Johnson’s.
Soon pig will be in ass and cauldron will close.*~~))
I wonder why the mobiks aren't fragging their officers in the face of these ridiculous losses? They must be totally kept in the dark about these kinds of things.
of course they aren't true. Though it honestly will be impossible to say what the numbers are, because they keep the dunbabwe / wagner / etc death figures secret. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it's at least 150k though. The vodka naggers have ethnically cleansed that entire area. So much for saving the russian speakers
Does anybody know if puccia puts out an equivalent kill count? However propagandized it may be
tell me what is there about listing examples of desperate troop shuffling by the russians that screams "dumb gut feeling" to you.
also feel free to disprove the actual argument instead of making appeals to authority once your handler tells you how to
I DEMAND TO SEE 900,000 DEAD OR MUTILATED RUSSIANS OTHERWISE I WONT BELIEVE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS
okay then
why would a military that's not low on frontline troops send their training officers there?
I don’t know what’s worse, you just being a retarded troll or someone who genuinely thinks that makes sense
>appeal to authority
>ad hominem
>appeal to authority again
>finally tries to make an actual argument
>instantly outed as a tourist retard
they really aren't sending their best
Yes he was probably doing that on purpose
It’s refreshing to know that 90% of vatniks here aren’t actual vatniks and just here for attention
the number's pretty accurate, but ukies are having pretty bad losses themselves too.
the data that we can confrim like blown up tanks seems to be about right..
those casualties are probably also wounded, captured etc.
https://infographics.economist.com/2023/ExternalContent/ZALUZHNYI_FULL_VERSION.pdf
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-amputees-wounded-soldiers-e2c5c47ea4b8326d980e630d3df87b77
some different article said that 1 in 10 wounded required amputations, so 200-250k wounded, 70-100k dead for the ukrainians?
No idea about Ukrainian casualties tbh. The Pentagon says 70k KIA and 120k WIA, so if you multiple those numbers by two you get 140k KIA and 240k WIA, which matches your estimate for WIA and approximately matches the Russian casualties. I honestly think the Ukrainians and Russians have averaged out to roughly equivalent losses after both sides have carried out major offensives in an attritional, trench warfare type situation.
why multiply by 2?
> Germany’s Ottobock, the world’s largest prosthetics manufacturer, which is working with Kyiv to help amputees, estimates the number of amputees at about 50,000 based on data from the government and medical partners. At the lower end, the Kyiv-based charity Health of the Ukrainian People ICF puts the number of serious injuries caused by the war at 200,000. About 10% of serious injuries typically require amputations, according to the foundation.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-ukraine-a-surge-in-amputations-reveals-the-human-cost-of-russias-war-d0bca320
i just hope russian amputees will get the same kind of treatment like ukrainian ones (from western companies like the one above), even if they are "the enemies", "subhuman"...
I don't. I hope they get wooden peg legs.
I'm just assuming that the Pentagon is downplaying Ukrainian losses by as much as they are inflating Russian losses. I could be wrong but the Pentagon has never had qualms before about downplaying casualties for propaganda purposes for as long as possible.
>About 10% of serious injuries typically require amputations,
The important part here is the "typically" - Ukraine has shown that this is not applicable any more, since drone dropped munitions cause new wounding patterns and the Ukrainians are able to move the wounded fast enough to treatment facilities that can save lives (but not the limb) that would have been deadly even 20 years ago.
Sure, if the Russian state would allow and pay for it.
Oh, and if the would be amputees would make it out alive, that's another big hindrance.
there is no chance that Ukraine is paying for it by itself, those are very expensive prosthetics, they are German nonetheless.
Yeah, they are part of the foreign aid the German government provides - basically Ottobock gets a check over a certain amount to provide their services in/for Ukraine.
am just saying, after the war they should extend that support to russia too (although russia will prolly pay for it).
That would be nice, yes, and I would support it.
Only if R*ssia surrenders unconditionally afterwards. If they keep insisting on having an irredentist wanna-be dictatorship they can all eat shit and starve behind their new Iron Curtain.
All me btw
The 300k figure is for unrecoverable casualties, so dead or crippled beyond hope of returning to service.
I'd wager they are much, much higher and here's why:
We have seen from multiple breaching videos the abject squalor of russian forward positions, trenches, depots and rear areas. They simply have no concept or desire for sanitation.
Compound to this the lack of antibiotics, antiseptics, tourniquets, stretchers, and proper if any medevac.
And add to it the widespread presence of HIV among the russian population.
Now consider the lack of rotation for many units, many of which are lacking in proper gear, particularly boots and coats, forget plate carriers, some are still in uniforms not fit for the climate they are in, if they are in uniform at all.
The number of preventable deaths and wounded must be mindbogglingly high. Thighs like trenchfoot, myiasis, cholera, dysentery, pneumonia, fever, influenza, sepsis, and other afflictions is probably taking a bigger toll on them than any assault the Ukranians might be carrying out.
i think its 300,000 casualities. 300K kia implies another 900,000 injured. so it'd be 1.2 million removed from population
>le both sides are bad
Let me guess, you're "neutral" and want the west to stop supporting the banderist regime that was shelling Donbass children for 8 years?
Why would I give a shit about that?
I don't think Wagner and Donbabwean slave soldiers are counted towards those 300k permanent casualties.
nagger there are literal images of them stealing washing machines and toilets
>just like the Ukrainians have been doing
Are you retarded?
Do you even have to ask?
I mean fair but I like to see them continue ranting like anything this retard has been saying make sense
oh god someone post the full webm
Just watch his mind break lmao
>Ukraine is famously like the most corrupt country in Europe, owing to a weak central government and strong regional oligarchy.
And russians are ready to die in droves to get a chance to loot anything there. Idk, it seems even worse than dying because monke said so.
>"pacifying" a rebellious Russian-speaking population in Donbass
DA COMRADE, NEVER FORGET THE 6 MILLION DONBABWEAN YOUNGLINGS KILLED IN THE LUGANDACAUST
They were trying to pacify the first invasion of Russhits in 2014. There would have been no Donbabwean chimpout without monke and his army. Also killing and bombing 6 trillion donbass children and the burning of those vatniks within a hotel in Odessa were based but didn't go far enough.
>rebellious
Separatistic.
>CNN didn't report it in primetime
naggers were stupid enough to publish their own crimes.
>no proof
>muh CNN
>sirs please understand
Kek
>300 000
Do they mean total losses or only KIA?
Probably total, but only ones the can confirm with some level of confidence. Solving the 'mobiks cube' doesn't count.
They're not sending their best. Puccians have been jeering and gloating about their own war crimes on telegram and 2ch since fucking 2014. And now the lakhtapidors come up with absolute bangers like "Ruzzia dindu nuffin! Theyz iz good boyz, goan ta FSB run orthodox church errday, tryna turn they life around, it'z da naziisraelite Zelensky he uses biogeese on piggers and blames ruzzia!".
I'm sure Taras shot up his own family, stole the toilet. Then came back inside the house after 5 minutes. Because he's fucking Ukrainian. He fucking lives there.
Zaluzhny very recently said that Russians have over 150 KIA and it would lead to mass protests and peace deal in any country except Russians are so buckbroken they don't care anymore.
So yeah, 150 KIA according to the dough boy.
I meant 150k of course.
I'd believe triple that, but only because it is the sacred right of every Russian to die horribly as soon as possible.
As a moderate, it's really the only opinion i can hold on the matter.
>Ukrainians were looting their own toilets for years in 2014
*poonagger posting intensifies*
>Russia still allows free travel for any military age male who wants to go abroad
If that's even true,
> [ X ] Doubt
the only people who can afford to travel are the children of oligarchs. Everyone else can't afford the bribes or other expenses involved. A feature, not a bug, in the policy.