What are these things?
Some kind of sensor for an active protection system?
https://i.imgur.com/ScDmy8a.png
Eurotrophy APS. Localised version of the Israeli system.
turrets will inevitably get bigger to counter anti-aps tactics.
Two trophies not enough to counter missile spam?
Then turrets need to grow in order to slap on FOUR trophies.
It uses local components and is produced locally. But yeah it's essentially the same thing, that's why I said localised and not something like "modified".
>It uses local components
Such as? >produced locally
*assembled
FTFY.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>A new company has been set up in Germany for the European marketing, sales and production of the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) that equips wheeled and tracked armoured vehicles. >EuroTrophy partners claimed in a 29 March statement that the transfer of state-of-the-art technology, local production, maintenance and services will significantly improve the security of supply of the Trophy APS in Europe. >EuroTrophy is committed to technological excellence and unmatched product quality, as well as continuous improvement of the APS supply chain. EuroTrophy produces the Trophy® APS in Germany – benefiting from the well-known capabilities of German industry, and utilizing existing industrial assets to ensure the delivery of consistently high-quality products and services.
2 weeks ago
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>A new company has been set up in Germany for the European marketing >marketing
2 weeks ago
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>Marketing, sales and production*
FTFY.
2 weeks ago
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>a.k.a. nothingburger
FTFY.
2 weeks ago
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Nobody wants to give money to israel unless they are infiltrated shitholes like Demark(which launched an investigation following acquisition of Elbit SPGs) or Brazil.
2 weeks ago
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Where's muh German technology?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Engine, running gear, and armor.
2 weeks ago
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What engine?
2 weeks ago
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>What engine?
The engine that's in the tank, butthole. What, do you think the crew sticks their feet down through the bottom and moves it around like the fricking Flintstones?
Yabba dabba doo shitass.
2 weeks ago
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gun as well
2 weeks ago
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Wanna bet the 'Israelli' engineer has a name like Goldstein, Grünspan or something like that?
2 weeks ago
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Well, that statement pretty much says the whole thing is now made in Germany.
2 weeks ago
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>Well, that statement pretty much says the whole thing is now made in Germany.
Care to elaborate? What kind of German component is used in it?
2 weeks ago
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>Care to elaborate? What kind of German component is used in it?
Read: >EuroTrophy partners claimed in a 29 March statement that the transfer of state-of-the-art technology, local production, (...)
To normal, non-schizo people that sounds liee tehy set up a production of Trophy in Germany, with transfer of all relevant techmologies to siad production site.
If you want to interpret that as 'ze Juden control EuroTrophy', go right ahead. But doo conisder taking your meds.
2 weeks ago
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Yeah, but that doesn't specify any of the element that's used, so it could be just a marketing ploy like 'We use German made machines for packaging." etc.
Literally I can't imagine anything of Germany being integrated into the Trophy. Can you at least give me a hint?
2 weeks ago
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>Yeah, but that doesn't specify any of the element that's used
It's a weapon. Could be the radar, components like microchips, whatever. They had a technology transfer, so probably every component that isn't a COTS that you could just source from wherever.
2 weeks ago
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>It's a weapon. Could be the radar, components like microchips, whatever.
So, you don't know it yet? Checked. >They had a technology transfer, so probably every component that isn't a COTS that you could just source from wherever.
If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
2 weeks ago
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They make StrikeShield, shill.
2 weeks ago
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>no top-attack protection
No thanks.
>why aren't they making their own
They are. That's what "local production" means. Dumb Black person.
>So, you don't know it yet? Checked.
Why would they disclose precisely what they use to make a weapon? Lol >If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
They are >EuroTrophy produces the Trophy® APS in Germany – benefiting from the well-known capabilities of German industry, and utilizing existing industrial assets to ensure the delivery of consistently high-quality products and services.
License production isn't an indigenous solution, Hans.
2 weeks ago
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>isn't an indigenous solution
Never said it was. But it works. No need to reinvent the wheel. And if there was a need to improve upon trophy, and the israelites were unwilling to do that and do a tech transfer again, germany can easily do it on their own.
2 weeks ago
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So I guess the tech transfer wasn't sufficient enough for them to achieve the status of independence from israeli technology? Checked.
2 weeks ago
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So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of words and suck dick? Thought so.
2 weeks ago
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>So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of words and suck dick? Thought so.
No I'm just suggesting that without the specific list of technology involved in the production it's not quite 'localized' so to speak.
2 weeks ago
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>License production isn't an indigenous solution, Hans.
It's not, it's a localised production.
2 weeks ago
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So I guess the tech transfer wasn't sufficient enough for them to achieve the status of independence from israeli technology? Checked.
why are poles like this? why cant they just be normal?
2 weeks ago
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>why aren't they making their own
They are. That's what "local production" means. Dumb Black person.
2 weeks ago
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>So, you don't know it yet? Checked.
Why would they disclose precisely what they use to make a weapon? Lol >If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
They are >EuroTrophy produces the Trophy® APS in Germany – benefiting from the well-known capabilities of German industry, and utilizing existing industrial assets to ensure the delivery of consistently high-quality products and services.
2 weeks ago
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>>If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
https://www.ads-protection.org/
2 weeks ago
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I know, but that's Rheinmetall, not KNDS.
His point is moot anyway because afaik Nexter (as part of KNDS) does produce its own APS.
2 weeks ago
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True.
2 weeks ago
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>afaik Nexter (as part of KNDS) does produce its own APS.
you mean Prometeus? that's under development, not a finished product.
2 weeks ago
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>you mean Prometeus? that's under development, not a finished product.
From the looks of that fricking graphic it's been under development since about 1994.
1 week ago
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>you mean Prometeus? that's under development, not a finished product.
From the looks of that fricking graphic it's been under development since about 1994.
Funny thing, a few pictures just leaked ahead of Eurosatory's start tomorrow. One is a new EMBT demonstrator, this time with a 140mm gun and Prometeus APS.
1 week ago
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https://i.imgur.com/eBFeh6C.jpeg
2A8 on display next to Leclerc
https://i.imgur.com/VDXhW0X.jpeg
Has a Kongsberg RWS
God, I am so hyped.
2 weeks ago
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Actually Germany has a much more advanced APS than the israelites.
Yes, the front parts are the radars for Trophy APS, the back parts are the launchers for the charge. There are radars on the backside of the turret too.
>Add dozens of tons worth of crap. >Costs nearly $30m a pop >Still die to all the same common threats slaughtering tanks worth a 10th the price
Tanks are over. Imagine paying $27m for a vehicle that will be knocked out instantly by a mine and finished off by a FPV through the hatch. Imagine buying, maintaining and crewing a a vehicle that will get casually one-shotted by a 50lb ATGM carried by some guy from 4km away. If countries are still buying these things it must be money laundering at this point.
Most countries just upgrade their old A4s they got for peanuts to A6/A7/A8
Other countries actually buying them new like Hungary and Czechia are replacing shit like T-72s
It's just a very elaborate grift by the German government.
Sell a tank and claim it's got excellent protection, but in reality it gets turret popped by random insurgents.
It's just a very elaborate grift by the German government.
Sell a tank and claim it's got excellent protection, but in reality it gets turret popped by random insurgents.
It's just a very elaborate grift by the German government.
Sell a tank and claim it's got excellent protection, but in reality it gets turret popped by random insurgents.
https://i.imgur.com/zypPG4K.jpeg
Hopefully making the turret heavier will keep it on this time.
Detonation of the hull ammo rack.
Crater is directly below the area of the hull where that would be, also most of the front hull is missing as a result of the catastrophic failure of the hull's integrity.
>Norway and Czechia
Oh and Germany of course.
>and Germany
They're getting 2
20 A8's on order as of now, with orders for 100 more give or take to be placed in 2025 according to Lobitz
Very "RTS", very loooooooon turret.
Wait until they add an RWS.
Ugly turret.
>turret nearly the same size as the hull
we have to be approaching the practical limits of how much bullshit you can bolt onto an MBT, right?
Next one will be unmanned, so we'll be back to a small turret meta for a few decades at least.
turrets will inevitably get bigger to counter anti-aps tactics.
Two trophies not enough to counter missile spam?
Then turrets need to grow in order to slap on FOUR trophies.
Kek.
>Localised
Sure. If that's what you want to believe.
It's produced locally with a technology transfer.
not the other anon, but it's hardly 'localised'. It's just license produced, but it's the exact same device.
It uses local components and is produced locally. But yeah it's essentially the same thing, that's why I said localised and not something like "modified".
>It uses local components
Such as?
>produced locally
*assembled
FTFY.
>A new company has been set up in Germany for the European marketing, sales and production of the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) that equips wheeled and tracked armoured vehicles.
>EuroTrophy partners claimed in a 29 March statement that the transfer of state-of-the-art technology, local production, maintenance and services will significantly improve the security of supply of the Trophy APS in Europe.
>EuroTrophy is committed to technological excellence and unmatched product quality, as well as continuous improvement of the APS supply chain. EuroTrophy produces the Trophy® APS in Germany – benefiting from the well-known capabilities of German industry, and utilizing existing industrial assets to ensure the delivery of consistently high-quality products and services.
>A new company has been set up in Germany for the European marketing
>marketing
>Marketing, sales and production*
FTFY.
>a.k.a. nothingburger
FTFY.
Nobody wants to give money to israel unless they are infiltrated shitholes like Demark(which launched an investigation following acquisition of Elbit SPGs) or Brazil.
Where's muh German technology?
Engine, running gear, and armor.
What engine?
>What engine?
The engine that's in the tank, butthole. What, do you think the crew sticks their feet down through the bottom and moves it around like the fricking Flintstones?
Yabba dabba doo shitass.
gun as well
Wanna bet the 'Israelli' engineer has a name like Goldstein, Grünspan or something like that?
Well, that statement pretty much says the whole thing is now made in Germany.
>Well, that statement pretty much says the whole thing is now made in Germany.
Care to elaborate? What kind of German component is used in it?
>Care to elaborate? What kind of German component is used in it?
Read:
>EuroTrophy partners claimed in a 29 March statement that the transfer of state-of-the-art technology, local production, (...)
To normal, non-schizo people that sounds liee tehy set up a production of Trophy in Germany, with transfer of all relevant techmologies to siad production site.
If you want to interpret that as 'ze Juden control EuroTrophy', go right ahead. But doo conisder taking your meds.
Yeah, but that doesn't specify any of the element that's used, so it could be just a marketing ploy like 'We use German made machines for packaging." etc.
Literally I can't imagine anything of Germany being integrated into the Trophy. Can you at least give me a hint?
>Yeah, but that doesn't specify any of the element that's used
It's a weapon. Could be the radar, components like microchips, whatever. They had a technology transfer, so probably every component that isn't a COTS that you could just source from wherever.
>It's a weapon. Could be the radar, components like microchips, whatever.
So, you don't know it yet? Checked.
>They had a technology transfer, so probably every component that isn't a COTS that you could just source from wherever.
If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
They make StrikeShield, shill.
>no top-attack protection
No thanks.
License production isn't an indigenous solution, Hans.
>isn't an indigenous solution
Never said it was. But it works. No need to reinvent the wheel. And if there was a need to improve upon trophy, and the israelites were unwilling to do that and do a tech transfer again, germany can easily do it on their own.
So I guess the tech transfer wasn't sufficient enough for them to achieve the status of independence from israeli technology? Checked.
So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of words and suck dick? Thought so.
>So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of words and suck dick? Thought so.
No I'm just suggesting that without the specific list of technology involved in the production it's not quite 'localized' so to speak.
>License production isn't an indigenous solution, Hans.
It's not, it's a localised production.
why are poles like this? why cant they just be normal?
>why aren't they making their own
They are. That's what "local production" means. Dumb Black person.
>So, you don't know it yet? Checked.
Why would they disclose precisely what they use to make a weapon? Lol
>If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
They are >EuroTrophy produces the Trophy® APS in Germany – benefiting from the well-known capabilities of German industry, and utilizing existing industrial assets to ensure the delivery of consistently high-quality products and services.
>>If they have the technology why aren't they making their own?
https://www.ads-protection.org/
I know, but that's Rheinmetall, not KNDS.
His point is moot anyway because afaik Nexter (as part of KNDS) does produce its own APS.
True.
>afaik Nexter (as part of KNDS) does produce its own APS.
you mean Prometeus? that's under development, not a finished product.
>you mean Prometeus? that's under development, not a finished product.
From the looks of that fricking graphic it's been under development since about 1994.
Funny thing, a few pictures just leaked ahead of Eurosatory's start tomorrow. One is a new EMBT demonstrator, this time with a 140mm gun and Prometeus APS.
God, I am so hyped.
Actually Germany has a much more advanced APS than the israelites.
which is why they didn't select it
source on your claims?
Nice.
Lithuania and Slovakia will most likely get them too. Italy not though.
What are these things?
Some kind of sensor for an active protection system?
Yes, the front parts are the radars for Trophy APS, the back parts are the launchers for the charge. There are radars on the backside of the turret too.
NEAT!
Eurotrophy APS. Localised version of the Israeli system.
>Israeli system.
Pretty embarrassing to be buying anything from brown third world shitskins.
Doesn't Rheinmetall have their own APS?
That's part of the Trophy APS.
On the left is radar, on the right is interceptor launcher (basically claymore on the rotating mount).
Yes.
dont worry about it Ivan
This looks so different from a leopard 2 why didn't they just call it a leopard 3?
Not even the Leopard with a new turret is called Leopard 3,
Only the MGCS will get a new number I guess.
>This looks so different from a leopard 2
Which one? The A4, A5, A6, A6M, A7,A7V?
>Leopard 2A7V
Well memed, friend. Very nice.
Its payback for naming the F-35 the Lightning
Lightning II is a based name and NGAD should be Mustang II
>israeli shills losing it because someone put a wrong word before their propaganda system
lol
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>posts are exactly one minute apart
Thread shitting.
Israelis are rabid fascists and they won't have you insult their precious technology.
Ehh, moron question here but how does the driver get in to the tank?
He has to get in before the tank is assembled at the factory, otherwise he's fricked.
All hail the machine spirit that drives this engine of war.
through the turret. there's a small opening in the turret cage on the front right where he can go through to get to the driver's seat
he has to sell all the eggs
How long before we see top attack ATGMs switch from HEAT to EFPs to get around close in APS?
With a TOW or Javelin sized missile you can penetrate 100mm+ of RHA at 100m standoff with a 1500m/s+ projectile.
EFP APS to counteract the incoming jet.
Is the top armor still 40mm thin?
>FPV drones explodes over turret
>vaporizes the heads of the crew or detonates the blowout compartment
Idiots.
>This is what the Leos for Norway and Czecha are going to look like
I assume the Dutch 2A8's will be orange
And fire depleted wooden clogs instead of APFSDS
Dutch are getting Leos?
There's nothing official yet, but the duch are considering reestablishing their tank batallions and not just leasing 18 tanks from Germany anymore
>I assume the Dutch 2A8's will be orange
Yes, it'll be a welcome return to the old standard camo.
is that roof armor i see
Why can't they make a bullpup tank
>costs $30 million
>only to get BTFO by a $400 FPV drone with RPG mount or drone dropping grenade
No hard kill active protection system against top-attack munition in 2024, these things are already obsolete.
Longturret is LOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
Where's the RWS
>Add dozens of tons worth of crap.
>Costs nearly $30m a pop
>Still die to all the same common threats slaughtering tanks worth a 10th the price
Tanks are over. Imagine paying $27m for a vehicle that will be knocked out instantly by a mine and finished off by a FPV through the hatch. Imagine buying, maintaining and crewing a a vehicle that will get casually one-shotted by a 50lb ATGM carried by some guy from 4km away. If countries are still buying these things it must be money laundering at this point.
*solves mine problem*
>Costs nearly $30m a pop
I swear, thinking this is the cost per tank is peak Dunning-Kruger
HHHHOOOOURRRGHLLLGHHHHHH
So the driver can't leave the tank if the turret is pointing forward?
Idea they stole from Russian tanks because they're the best in the world
Yes he can, same as with A6 etc
2A8 on display next to Leclerc
Has a Kongsberg RWS
Is there any combat vehicle more overrated than the Leo2?
Why do countries continue to buy a tank with such a lackluster record in actual combat?
Most countries just upgrade their old A4s they got for peanuts to A6/A7/A8
Other countries actually buying them new like Hungary and Czechia are replacing shit like T-72s
is it cope o'clock already?
It's just a very elaborate grift by the German government.
Sell a tank and claim it's got excellent protection, but in reality it gets turret popped by random insurgents.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/filename/e3u90m3gl3n51.png/
Mental illness.
shitty bait but I will bite.
Its the best performing tank in this war
Why did it not explode?
Why does it still have its turret?
Multiple got blown up. It wasn't an isolated incident, but a persistent fault with the vehicle.
Curious design flaw it almost looks like a demolition or bomb strike with the big crater and mutiple explosions of different compartments
I'm guessing that top pic is some video game where the devs believed Russian claims instead of reality?
War Thunder, all Slavic vehicles are severely balanced
I take it they're not responding well to slavshit getting exposed as hot garbage?
Detonation of the hull ammo rack.
Crater is directly below the area of the hull where that would be, also most of the front hull is missing as a result of the catastrophic failure of the hull's integrity.
That one did not.
But these two definitely did.
It's been in more than Ukraine. Saudis have lost many Leo 2's against insurgents.
Now I know Arabs are so moronic they need floaties to shower, but even the Chally 2 had no problem tanking all the Soviet surplus lobbed at it
>Saudis have lost many Leo 2's against insurgents
Are you sure about that?
Hopefully making the turret heavier will keep it on this time.