Latest loss count in the Zaporhizhia direction. How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?

Latest loss count in the Zaporhizhia direction. How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Fuck wrong one. This is the latest UA breakdown.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And latest RU breakdown

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/wtisvd7.png

        [...]
        Fuck wrong one. This is the latest UA breakdown.

        Half of Ukraines losses are in AFVs and IMVs and while this obviously isn't a good thing, Russia as the defender is going to be moving fewer troops, so fewer vehicles. Additionally, they have losses in every category. Losing an MRAP isnt good, but russia is losing the ability to actually fight a battle effectively.
        The only real question is manpower losses, and there are no solid numbers there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >casually losing an entire division's worth of artillery
        Very nice.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      UA loses: 115 IMVs, 6 trucks

      https://i.imgur.com/lVd5jUv.png

      And latest RU breakdown

      RU loses: 2 IMVs, 65 trucks
      Makes you think about how each side gets their troops around

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This current fighting season seems very much to be "Fuck Yo Logistics" for the Ukies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/lVd5jUv.png

      And latest RU breakdown

      >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
      Haven't Russians been complaining for months now how on point Ukie counter battery fire is on that front? Also I think they said that Ukraine actually gained the upper hand in artillery in general.
      Checks out with most Russian losses being trucks and stationary behind the line shit.
      Though I am really surprised to see the tank numbers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in the end destroyed equipment on this scale matters little though. losing 6 tanks and 5pcs of artillery in 2 weeks?
        you can easily outproduce this rate of attrition, not to mention the thousands of vehicles both sides still have in storage

        call me again when we see serious attacks with dozens or hundreds of vehicles destroyed in a single push

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Replace with 1949 tanks I guess

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >losing 6 tanks and 5pcs of artillery in 2 weeks?
          Ukraine claims Russia is losing 20-35 artillery pieces a day and 1-5 tanks a day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/mX6TeXd.png

      Latest loss count in the Zaporhizhia direction. How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?

      https://i.imgur.com/lVd5jUv.png

      And latest RU breakdown

      have you tried not trusting NAFO garden gnome propaganda fake numbers?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are my eyes imagining the losses catched on camera and proyecting them on my screen?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go ahead and post russian MOD version then, let's see how many f-35s they've killed this week

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/lVd5jUv.png

      And latest RU breakdown

      Huh, I'm surprised the numbers are that similar. I would have assumed Russia would have taken far more losses, despite defending. Not because I think Ukraine is particularly good at waging war, but because Russians are so utterly incompetent, corrupt and gay.
      That said, it seems most of Ukraine's losses are AFVs and IFVs, which makes sense, given that they're relatively cheap, plentiful and disposable compared to most other military vehicles, and they seem to rely on them more than tanks, due to the minefields.
      Russian losses seem to involve more expensive and specialized systems, though I guess the truck losses work in their favor, given that they're not particularly vital and are easily replaced.

      All in all, Ukraine seems to be trading AFVs and IFVs for specialized or more expensive Russian equipment, assuming those numbers are correct.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By shoveling everything you can in dislodging and counter attack efforts instead of giving ground and responding to concentrations. It’s a mark of inflexible orders or desperation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You see, if we have 3:1 advantage, instead of waiting for the khokhols to come to us, we should go out and kill them instead.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The losing side in general tends to take far more casualties, defender or attacker.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No it doesn't, what a strange sweeping generalization.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you haven't seen anything yet. During Autumn there won't be any cover to hide vehicles...
    And before anyone starts shouting about muh "rasputitsa", here's annual precipitation of that region

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not the amount of rain itself, but the cold temperatures impeding evaporation, and snowmelt combined with the chernozem soil. It turns the ground into a bog that'll swallow up just about anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not the amount of rain itself
        if it's not raining it's not going to turn into bog, there's a reason why there was no talks about dreaded rasputitsa while Ukrainian vehicles were rolling in Kherson region...in November

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if it's not raining
          But it is raining, and it's not the rain that turns it into a bog, it's the physical work done upon the soil via tracks and wheels.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But it is raining
            Ummm

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            September and October have lowest precipitation level of the year and lowest number of rainy days per year(5-6 days per month with rain)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            retard hahaha

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but the cold temperatures impeding evaporation
        cold temperatures freeze ground retard, enabling tanks to move

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cold temps freeze water
          Sure, if it’s 32*F or cooler, the ground will freeze eventually. But Anon, I ask you this, what if it’s 45-50*F? The water won’t freeze but it doesn’t evaporate quickly either. It just sits there, still liquid, still seeping into the ground and making mud.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh, you need torrential downpours to cause mudbogs in any temp. You need to go outside more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh, you need torrential downpours to cause mudbogs in any temp. You need to go outside more.

            Precisely, mud isn't some kind of migratory animal that shows up with regularity. It depends on weather conditions. We can have rainy and cold autumn or dry and wet one. It depends, reductionist idea of mud will stop armored advances in Ukraine in autumn is plain retarded.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is winter, and climate does change a winter doesn't equal winter, especially for southern Ukraine

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So a random thought,

        when ever I see muddy terrain like that I'm reminded of the Marston Mats from ww2

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Mat

        Why don't they get another country to shit out said metal grate for them and then lay them down over the muddy roads so they have something to prevent vehicles from sinking?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's currently a exceedingly warm as FUCK september in Europe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So basically, lines are gonna grind to a halt after Halloween.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God hates Russia, so the weather will fuck them up somehow
        It will be rainfree autumn allowing Ukraine to free the coast and then floods so Russia can't counteract or some shit

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Russia
    >One thing you're good at for all (valid) criticisms
    >Massed artillery fire

    >Be Ukraine
    >Change strategy from big push shit to slower methodical method
    >Total artillery death time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They also moved to total AA death now that even bayhaktar have started to fly combat sorties agian

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They also started flying bigger, longer-range recon drones. It's a much bigger deal considering their ability to Himars anything they spot within minutes

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Helps to be incompetent.
    Unrelated question, is PrepHole slow to load images and stuff?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, there seems to be some fuckyness that comes and goes. Copy the url for the thread, shut down the browser, reopen it and try again.

      Fixed the issue for me,

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mods fucked with the image servers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, there seems to be some fuckyness that comes and goes. Copy the url for the thread, shut down the browser, reopen it and try again.

      Fixed the issue for me,

      Thanks guys, I've been having terrible image load times for the last few days and thought it was an issue with my browser.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think any image on is.PrepHole.org loads normally, but is2.PrepHole.org loads incredibly slowly. It's been like this for weeks for me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I think any image on is.PrepHole.org loads normally, but is2.PrepHole.org loads incredibly slowly. It's been like this for weeks for me
        Other boards I use seem fine.
        I think is2 has been under DDOS for a week or two, of maybe just throttled due to bandwidth quota.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Russians aren't really defending as they should be. They're actually doing the opposite of defence-in-depth where they are letting the enemy draw them out of their defences, instead of falling back and drawing the enemy into theirs.

    This basically meant that the both the Russians and Ukies are conducting offensives simultaneously on the local level, which the Russians just can't do after the Spring Bum Rush of 2023, so they'll keep smacking their heads into the walls of Ukie steel in the vain hope that it will break before they do..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they cant really do the cookie cutter defence take. There is no depth. Their main railway artery is right there and if ukranians make it there they have enough long range to attack the coastal highway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are they really? I've read a Ukie general talk about how the offensive is so slow because whenever they take a position, the Russians bomb the shit out of it, because it's already pre-ranged so they have to abandon it again. Or is that what you're talking about?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, the whole summer has been attack followed by savage counter-attack. It's a slug fest because of two things:
        a. The Ukrainians are only gaining in strength and capabilities the longer the war drags on (example: next year they will have an airforce that can compete or possibly even win air superiority)
        b. The issue of supply lines starving the RuAF in the South.
        c. The possibility that 2 million Russian citizens might be held hostage if the Ukrainians creep closer to Crimea.
        d. The Moscow regime knows if they trade any more sacred soil of Mother Russia, they will be devoured alive by the rabid nationalist movement they have bred these past 20 years.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because of a few things* I mean.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          russia doesn't have air superiority on their border ukraine will certainly have it within theirs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >c. The possibility that 2 million Russian citizens might be held hostage if the Ukrainians creep closer to Crimea.

          Discount that, monke doesn't care about them, by this point most russians should be realizing he is going to enact a Hitler at Berlin's bunker 2.0 with all of them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine should expel all of them to russia.That‘s the worst possible punishment.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Ukrainians are only gaining in strength and capabilities the longer the war drags on
          I'd be skeptical about that. Yes with how escalation management works we are now at a stage where they sending western tanks is fine and we're quickly approaching the stage where sending aircraft will be fine. But Ukraine isn't immune to the fact that war whittles down your base of professional soldiers and I'm only very cautiously optimistic about how western support will fare over the next few years.
          >The Moscow regime knows if they trade any more sacred soil of Mother Russia, they will be devoured alive by the rabid nationalist movement they have bred these past 20 years
          That's why they're cracking down hard on them now. I kinda doubt Russia will collapse over this anytime soon, especially if the offensive progresses at a similar pace. Putin might not survive it, but Russia probably will.

          in the end destroyed equipment on this scale matters little though. losing 6 tanks and 5pcs of artillery in 2 weeks?
          you can easily outproduce this rate of attrition, not to mention the thousands of vehicles both sides still have in storage

          call me again when we see serious attacks with dozens or hundreds of vehicles destroyed in a single push

          Keyword "can".
          I'm still waiting for western countries to ramp up production in any meaningful way. And as we saw the US at the moment isn't willing to send any of the thousands of Abrams it has in storage and would rather make special export models for Ukraine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm still waiting for western countries to ramp up production in any meaningful way
            what, out of interest, would be a 'meaningful way' to you?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can only speak for Germany, since that's where I live and know the political situation best.
              But unless I'm mistaken, firms like Rheinmetall and KMW repeatedly say that they're still waiting for the government to order them to start producing equipment for Ukraine. Unless something in that direction happened recently and I missed it.
              I think we did start producing some more ammunition, but that's about it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't worry, no one expected Germany to take decisive action anyway.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guess, but it's still frustrating, knowing we're one of Europe's economical powerhouses (at the moment) with a sizeable arms industry and we're not doing more. I guess sending arms at all is a big step for our country.
                And now the Taurus story is a 1 to 1 repeat of the Leos, so unless this is some 6D chess move to trick Biden into sending ATACMS, I'm not very happy with the overall situation

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am afraid you are confusing the interests of the country and the interests of the oligarchs. The German elites are absolutely not interested in this war, all they are interested in is returning to trade with Russia as soon as possible. And in their opinion, the fastest way to achieve this goal is the defeat of Ukraine. And they are absolutely not interested in the consequences, in the worst case Russia will attack the Baltics or Poland, and for the oligarchs this is nothing bad, on the contrary, it is a chance to profit from the war. So, as I see it, naive Germans still haven't gotten rid of what made them Nazis - they haven't gotten rid of their trust in the elites.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And in their opinion, the fastest way to achieve this goal is the defeat of Ukraine
                I swear to god, if I see one more Cold War peace movement slogan repurposed for the "please stop helping Ukraine" campaign...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's fine, most of them will be dying off in the coming decade, so hopefully the bullshit will die down in the forseeable future.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I never paid much attention to the age of the "pro-peace" people. No idea if it's all boomers

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so when you said
                >I'm still waiting for western countries to ramp up production
                what you meant was
                >I'm still waiting for Germany to ramp up production
                ?

                >I think we did start producing some more ammunition, but that's about it.
                You mean:

                https://eda.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/2023/09/05/eda-signs-framework-contracts-for-joint-procurement-of-155mm-ammunition
                ? If so, does that meet your definition of 'meaningful'?

                What about the 924m euro funding in 2022 for the (then) newly created European Defence Force? Does that count as ramping up production?

                https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-05/FS_EDF%20Work%20Programme%202022.pdf

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What you're not hearing is the moment Russia starts bombing Ukraine hits those artillery batteries with guided shells, forcing Russia to bring more artillery up to bomb the position, which Ukraine bombs again.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am hearing that, see

          [...]
          >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
          Haven't Russians been complaining for months now how on point Ukie counter battery fire is on that front? Also I think they said that Ukraine actually gained the upper hand in artillery in general.
          Checks out with most Russian losses being trucks and stationary behind the line shit.
          Though I am really surprised to see the tank numbers.

          , but that's not relevant to the point anon was making

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kind of.

        When the Ukies seem to be taking the position, The Russians blow them all to hell with any surviving troops still inside the lines and then they have to rush more troops in, so that the Ukies just can't wait out the bombardment and then mosey on through the now empty line. This means they need to push out and gain some breathing room between their line and the Ukie one, the the Ukies don't just continue their attack against the now shattered and disorganised line.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    "From Kiev in three days" to "Puccia isn't losing fast enough'

    Ok pidor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it is not about time but a nearly 1:1 exchange does not favor little baby Ukraine in long run

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >in long run
        I don't think there will be any "long run" if Puccia keep losing 1:1.1 on a defensive and getting pushed back to your only rail line

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you will be re-educated in time, it will be 10+ years of this before russia is even removed from tokmak

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Like forever Kherson? Rasheed, your fanfiction is not going to make Puccia not to stop retreating to the sea.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is exactly the kind of shit that ends up in a screencap

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At some point you have to wonder if they get off at the thought of being grudgeposted.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I really really hope some autist is making a fuckhuge collage of ziggershill claims that age terribly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We'll probably just add it to the greentext list, but it's already about a page long and we'll probably hit the character limit soon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then Russia is retarded. What could they hope to gain from this conflict which could ever justify these losses sustained for 10 years?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Their original plan was to take over the entire country without a fight and then suppress the civilian protests of the minority. Yes, they are that retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am aware. I'm just amazed at the
                >xaxaxa Russia can keep this up forever!
                kind of shit. That would be a disaster for both parties.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron long run supply from the West will only increase. Next year we will see the first F16 Ukrainian pilots.
        How are you going to cope when this conflict eventually ends in Ukrainian victory? Inb4
        >VGH POCCIA HELD OUT AGAINST FULL BLOWN NAHO SIEGE FOR TWO YEARS!!!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's going to be
          >Hostomel was a 100% text book operation. rusha actually StRoNk. the [garden gnomes, bolsheviks, chuds, gays] (pick one Marlins style) stabbed rusha in the back. Muh rusha nukes. Etc. Etc. Etc
          for however many years until the next happening
          also:
          >pretending hostomel went just as planned
          as if they didn't get slaughtered and failed their objective.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *madlibs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's suppose to be 3:1 for the attacking side when assaulting heavy fortifications. A 1:1 ratio is remarkably good when you're having to send men running through minefields to engage in CQC trench fighting.

        I know you people really don't understand military matters, but if you want to learn, I'm happy at least to teach.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're not taking 3:1 losses when attacking. You're supposed to bring 3:1 force ratio when attacking to have a good shot at it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now show us the working hardware and equipment numbers of both sides.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me how you are a St. Petersburg/Moscow gay without telling me.

        ATACMS are coming, let's see what is going to happen to you and your family once the likes of you can't hide behind your minorities and poor anymore.

        Pic related, the more of you who end up blown to pieces and crushed like the scum you are the better for the world.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Retard here but isn’t that still okay for Russia?
    I mean they’ve got bigger reserves so going 1:1 means they’ll still maintain the numeric advantage. Like the balance of power doesn’t really shift?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      approximately 1:1 actually shifts the balance of power in favor of Russia, but luckily for Ukraine they do a bit better on other fronts

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >approximately 1:1 actually shifts the balance of power in favor of Russia
        trading artillery, air defense system and your biggest fortifications for armored cars doesn't shift balance in Russian favor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even worse when russian can barely replenish losses with equal replacement. I guess they can dip into rusted WWII stock.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They can offload it from the trains and promptly have it sit there for the remainder of the war

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I mean they’ve got bigger reserves
      Not according to some of their more realist milbloggers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, because it's not an even breakdown. Ukraine is specifically targeting artillery and radars which are needed by Russia to blunt Ukrainian assaults.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, because in this specific context each dead Russian is more "strategically valuable" than a single dead Ukrainian.
      Remember that the whole point of this offensive is to neuter the capabilities of Russian artillery (which can't be easily replaced) so each dead Russian is progress to that goal.
      Meanwhile even if Putin could snap his fingers and make the whole Ukrainian offensive fall dead Ukraine would still be defended, still be supplied with western equipment and they could feasibly try again maybe next year.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For Azerbaijan or Iraq it would be good. For Russia this is horrible. It's barely a major power already. In one of the worst societies for productivity and development they're only getting worse off. Russia is bombing themselves back to the stone age.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukriane and Russia have +- parity in the number of usable tanks these days.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And this is very bad considering that Russia had 3 times more tanks than Ukraine at the beginning of the war.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
    ukrainian arty outranges russia's and ukies conduct methodical attacks with small units now instead of massing vehicles. russian artillery reacts to an assault and AFU counterbattery the fuck out of it.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
    I don’t know ask the French at Verdun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty fitting seeing as Russia is basically back to using WW1 tactics and equipment.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this why there was so much weird spam?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no because pro-Russians see 1:1 on defence as a victory
      see this thread for some example

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so who's raiding PrepHole?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are layers to Russian cope. Perhaps spamming to distract was the first, followed by '1:1 is fine xaxaxa'.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has perfected the so called coping in depht.
          When the first cope is broken they retreat to the secondary cope until they have amassed enough bots for a counter cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So Russia is no longer in denial about this is being a peer to peer conflict?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia seesone bong tank as victory.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia is winning
    >because they are losing more and more valuable equipment while being on the defensive, despite building biggest defensive network and hiding behind 500 meter deep minefields
    I don't understand how it can be spun as victory for Russian

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Literally unable to stop thinking about dicks and men who stick them into other men

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The actual numbers are most likely far more ghastly for Russia.

    Both sides have a very strong incentive to highlight the shit out of every enemy loss and get that shit on record.

    Russia however, would disproportionally have losses that aren't in the middle of the greyzone ready for a photoshoot. Far more supply trucks getting merked, artillery pieces getting vaporized etc without anyone putting that shit on the internet.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Having higher losses as the defender has been common since the end of WW1. Attacker by definition can choose the battlefield, can have local superiority, has tempo and the initiative.

    Defending fucking sucks, it means you're losing

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >an economy of $1.2 trillion is going to outlast an economy of $25 trillion that's allied with other economies that are collectively worth another $20 trillion

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i have no stock in either side on this, i see the ukie boogaloo as nothing more than slavic infighting that they've been doing for thousands of years. that being said...

    ...isn't this actually pretty ok for russia? i mean 1 defender for every 3-5 attackers is usually the ratio, right? if russia is pulling 1:1 that's actually really good. idk about all the shit that's been going on in this war, i don't know how either side is actually doing, nor do i think anyone else does for sure. i just think that 1:1 is an above average rate for the attackers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i just think that 1:1 is an above average rate for the attackers.
      It is, and ukies are tte attackers at this engagement

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    People (retards) have been saying ever since the gold standard was abandoned, but I'm sure it will happen any day now.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >does analysis of global debt with no analysis of global wealth
    Okay retard.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Back when I was 20 I would have agreed with you, but I've stopped believing you guys that keep crying wolf and then nothing happens. The US economy was over 25 times smaller in '71 and it has endured 7 economic crises since then.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    All this graph shows is the fed is trying to soak up excess liquidity in the overnight markets to raise interest rates. I'm not sure what you're trying to show here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno what dem fancy garden gnome terms you used mean but it shure do sound like fag talk to me
      >huffs krokodil

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >xaxaxaxaxa we need nothing wect will cower before poccnr econ-ACK!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a literal banana republic

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >inherent problems
    Such as fiat currency in the past being either used in emergencies when the government was already bankrupt or (in the case of China) the government being completely unable to slow down the rate new currency was made?
    Yes, I think we can make it work. What choice do we have, anyway? None of the massive growth and innovation of the past 60 years wouldn't have been possible if we still stubbornly stuck to the Bretton-Woods system. There just isn't enough gold to make all this wealth possible.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it’s another “currency schizos who have no idea what wealth or value is and arbitrarily fetishize a soft yellow metal because it’s pretty” episode
    I will never not be amazed how successful Russian mindwipe is against people who want to consider themselves smarter than everyone else.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's only natural to attract such trash when they present it as FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE NO SHEEPLE ALLOWED TOP SECRET IF YOU ARE SHEEPLE STOP READING ASAP ILLEGAL ILLEGAL

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >why are you showing me ukranians sucking each other off while wearing russian uniforms?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Let me know when the US prints its way into hyperinflation, I can wait. In the meantime, can you explain how the economic growth of past 60 years would be possible with a gold backed currency? You can't cheat and say a massive gold deposit would be found in some currently unknown location

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lol that's a good one, hey, so I touched a nerve eh? Now that your sorry ass is going to get blasted you are showing true colors eh?

    It was never about the people at the Dombass, not even the whole tale about defending Russia from NATO expansion or defending traditional values (we only have to see at your posts and your entire society).

    You are not a country neither a military, you are just an oil mafia.

    Go on, keep posting your pics of this or that western tank or that guy who got his leg blown up by a grenade (unlike your soldiers he didn't kill himself and he did survived), we will return the favor when you get torn to pieces by ballistics at your rat hole, you can imagine how much fun we will get posting what's left, you will have to pay double time to the indians to even stand a chance.

    By the way, we already know you aren't going to surrender, that's the point, even if some of you manage to survive we all know you are going to get shoved into a trench by Monke or sent to reveal some ukrainian position with barrier troops formed from mercenaries behind you, and you and whatever descendants you get left will end up like North Koreans, paranoid slaves starved to death while serving whoever comes after Putin.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Oh fuckk mee, again these guys?
    > Two more weeks

    Man, rus is getting it's shit kicked in and there is no multipolar world happening especially not the Russ myr.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russ myr
      Russ Meyer? I wouldn't mind living there

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>Russ myr
        >Russ Meyer
        Thank you, anon. I'm now on a mission to find a couple of his classics. For historical research purposes.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >literally Texas oblast' posting
    LMFAO
    Vatmorons are something else.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao, this worthless subhuman seethes about "MUH POLES"
    Guess it hurts how much they hate you, vatmoron. For a good reason too.
    >simping for a shithole that robs its citizens blind and brainwashes them to accept it
    >calls anyone a cuck
    Vatmoron garbage are a gift that keeps on giving

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the "butthurt belt" actually means "the countries we're butthurt about"

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >im actually american
    then you should hang from the nearest lamp post
    total zigger death

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >clash report
    Even the paper doesn't guarantee they get in. It seems to suggest a waiver type system.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >60 years ago
    The economy was shit when there was gold standard. You're not proving anything. Gold standard is not a viable way to sustain an economy.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    zigger is ANYONE who supports Putin and his retarded regime, you double moron

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I told you in the other thread already.
    Take your fucking meds and go outside. Call your family. Reunite with them.
    If you can't cause you gave up, maybe consider stopping your metabolism.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Unsourced Twitter Screencap
    >OP zigger shills trying to sound smart but sounds dumb as fuck because OP knows nothing about war or the military
    Russia lost the war for good reasons, low intelligence, bad public health, poor leadership, poor equipment, poor maintenance, poor designs, poor strategies, poor diplomacy corruption, arrogance, pathos, laziness, faux patriotism, cowardice, criminality, poor logistics. Then it embarrassed itself online as well. Above all the average zigger was stupid, inept, a poor solider, a sneering useless inane halfwit with no understanding of war and useless at it.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bradley and leopard is worth the same as soviet shitboxes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BUK M3 is worth the same as Maxxi Pro

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know people keep saying 3-1 as if it's the holy grail but that's just a rrule of thumb for local superiority. IIRC2 the casualties in ww1 were like 1.5-1 in a lot of the big offensives.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      or even, the 3-1 figure has to do with force size to overcome defenses, and isn't an expected loss ratio for attackers v defenders.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And even then, it refers to the attacker needing a 3:1 superiority over the defender. That doesn't necessarily mean 3 times the manpower.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I saw some gayop in the normie sphere of some 10 second clip of some ukie getting smoked through glass and the announcer is trying to tell us his "bullet proof" vest totally saved his life lmfao.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ah yes, the guy that keeps driving as if nothing happened totally got smoked and then uploaded how he died

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
    easy, you just make the numbers up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt this is true

      literally
      >do not trust your lying eyes comrade
      since all of the losses are visually confirmed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay that's another matter entirely. Is there a good way to estimate the number of losses not visually confirmed? And, holy shit what the fuck is Russia doing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Is there a good way to estimate the number of losses not visually confirmed?
          Not really, too many factors. Generally, the further from frontline something is(trucks, AA, artillery) less likely someone will film that it's destroyed or upload video of it's destruction(opsec and shit) and you only depend on leaks from soldiers. For example there was video from Tokmak filmed by Russian soldiers and there you can here him saying that HIMARS arrived at their storage of IFVs, another video was uplodead with 10 fuel trucks burned down in single place(with several drivers to boot). Such attacks happen, they are not rare but we very rarely see any visual confirmed losses from it yet they are also substantial

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt this is true

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Do you just not understand the role of a reserve bank or something?

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LOL, isn't the advantage usually on the defending side? Meaning that an attacker should have 3 times more casualties?

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia lost the ability to effectively fight the war months ago, we saw it as early as the Bakhmut seige. What we're seeing right now is what "fighting without the ability to fight" looks like.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    literally most non-crashed currencies in circulation today.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Can you show me one gold backed currency that survived to this day?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >click

    [...]
    Let me know when the US prints its way into hyperinflation, I can wait. In the meantime, can you explain how the economic growth of past 60 years would be possible with a gold backed currency? You can't cheat and say a massive gold deposit would be found in some currently unknown location

    it would lead to massive deflation and gold hoarders getting a disproportionate return for their contribution to the economy
    which is always on the background of goldbugs "I own the gold and you don't, so now you work for me"

    >the "butthurt belt" actually means "the countries we're butthurt about"

    they're butthurt because that's all Russia ever wants to do

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian strategy of active defense will be vindicated IF Ukraine is forced to call off offensive operations by the autumn with no significant changes in the current front.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    "Getting help from your allies is gay and cringe," said the country with no useful allies.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Anon, you are missing the point. You see, as a goldgay, the important thing is that I feel smart. I have secret, forbidden knowledge that tells me everyone else is wrong and I am right. It's also very, very important that there's no serious math involved in any of my theories because I'm bad at that kind of stuff. But anyway, I'm not reading any of your post. Just know that the reason I can't qualify for an auto loan is gnomish fiat fake money.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, /chug/ told me that 10 bazillion HATO mercs died, how is this possible?

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >im actually american
    why would you go on the internet and lie anon

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Russia can mobilize as much as they want, that doesn't win wars though. Especially not if your enemy has similar or even greater capabilities.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    sooner or later they're gonna run out of Siberian Natives though

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes, it does not matter because the number of soldiers with rusty AKs ceased to matter back in First World War, today only the number of equipment matters, the infantry simply performs the role of cleaning up what is left of the enemy after the strikes of aircraft, artillery and tanks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sustainment too. A bunch of retards with old rusty garbage is more likely to hinder than help operations. That is a whole lot of food/fuel/ammo you gotta ship for not very much bang. Sending it all is going to clog the network as depot, road, and rail capacities reach their limits which will then slow deliveries to actual effective combat formations. For example, a T-54-3 is going to take just as much effort to keep running as a T-72B3 but is far less capable to the point where you are best just leaving it at home.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes, but the difference is that Ukraine is mobilizing why Russia isn't.
    Also pretty sure their training bottleneck hasn't gotten any better since they sent all their trainers into the trenches.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Putin promised Russians that Ukraine would be destroyed in 3 days and nothing bad would happen. And as Prigozhin's rebellion showed, Putin does not have such strong grip on power in Russia as he thought, so he is unlikely to dare to announce a full-scale mobilization and will continue to simply scrape the bottom of the barrel by sending prisoners, immigrants and the poor from rural regions of Russia.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukies are making some gains around Bakchmut

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean Bakamutt?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/v8S9gox.jpg

      We're going to see the Russian 6th Army get encircled and destroyed in Bakhmut, aren't we?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people still thinking UkroMoD numbers are real
        Baghdad Bob-tier.

        Yes, just like Crimea by August (2022)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >zigger shills still being assmad about UkroMoD numbers being real
          Sad and pathetic.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure Ukraine has at several points claimed to knock out more arty pieces in 2 days time that these numbers imply they knocked out in total.

          These are literally visually confirmed losses, all of them heavily biased to destroyed equipment because Russian.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine's best vs aids conscripts.

    These losses are basically equal despite polar opposite individual quality of soldiers.

    RWW.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "aids conscripts" like the 76th VDV? LMAO.

      Are there even any remianing russian units that AREN'T "aids conscripts" any more by now?

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    3.3x, you schizo retard, and at the rate even the worst non-schizo estimates for attrition for either side (Literally meaning the claims by their respective MoD's of 450k-250k permanent losses for Russia and Ukraine respectively per year), neither side is running out of men to throw into trenches for a fucking decade.

    The audacity you retards have to speak on this subject when you slept through your history of WW1 and WW2 to the point of even knowing how eye-wateringly severe a conflict must be for an industrialized nation to run out of men, and how fucking far we still are from getting there in this war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AFAIK outside of a few ancient wars, the only reasonably modern conflict lost by one side running out of fighting age men was the War of the Triple Alliance, where some estimates put the loss ofnParaguay's male population as high as 90%

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the best answer to the "how bad must it get" line of questioning would be that France was at 1.5 million permanent casualties per year, totaling at 6 million by the end of the shitshow; this from a population that at this point had about the same number of men as Ukraine (though a more favorable population pyramid, though Ukraine isn't in any danger of its primary age group graying out of the pool).

        And even then by the end when Germany came begging for an out they still had enough piss and vinegar in them to say "Brother you can either take our shit deal now or our shit deal in a year, we can take the losses".

        In otherwords, if Shoigu is truthful which lets be honest is incredibly unlikely, and Ukraine has suffered 250k permanent losses in a year, they are about a factor of 5 away from actually seeing demographically unsustainable attrition numbers for any war that lasts less than 5 years.

        If we take more conservative ukie loss estimates, they literally saw more men become of conscription age than they lost throughout 2022

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Damn just saw a vid of arty blowing up a bunch of vatniks. What the fuck are they doing just strolling through the fields with like 40 dudes?

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How the fuck do you manage to have more losses as the defender?
    Are you stupid?

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This is a global figure that averages in China, who are actually having the biggest banking collapse in history, so we aren't, they are.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    attack/defense is not like your video games
    https://acoup.blog/2021/09/17/collections-no-mans-land-part-i-the-trench-stalemate/
    > But rather more frequently, the barrages worked: they inflicted tremendous casualties on defenders and allowed the attackers to win the race to the parapet which in turn meant the remaining defenders were likely to be swiftly grenaded or bayoneted.
    >typically, in the initial phases of these battles (the first few days) the casualty rates between attacker and defender were close to even, or favored the attacker. This is of course connected to the fact that the leading cause of battle deaths in the war was not rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, bayonets but in fact artillery fire and the attacker was the one blasting fixed positions with literal tons of artillery fire

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So what you're saying is that Ukraine now has artillery superiority.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In addition to what has already been mentioned, putting the majority of your manpower in the first line of defense, thereby reducing your available reserves in the rear to reinforce the parts of the front that get attacked and subsequently making it easier for the enemy to overwhelm you at any one point without you being to do much about it.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No CASEVAC or medical corp, every wounded soldier dies.

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