Landlord said I can't shoot on the property I rent cause It scares his horses we are innawoods in texas he threatened me with law enforcement who has the law on their side here?
Landlord said I can't shoot on the property I rent cause It scares his horses we are innawoods in texas he threatened me with law enforcement who...
Probably him.
It's Texas and his house, you are a rentoid what do you think.
Texas state law only says you can have guns and ammo on your rented property, there is nothing about discharging. Which then would fall under the clauses dedicated to the discharging of firearms... Those usually state that the landowner is in charge of compliance and has the yes or no call for shooting. So OP, stop this shit or you gonna get fricked.
>rentoid thinks he's on the right
lmao
Landowner has pretty extensive rights in TX. The only thing he can't do really is prevent you from owning and possessing firearms while you rent/occupy. If you chose to shoot anyway it probably isn't a crime unless you're inside city limits, which means you'd end up in civil court explaining to a judge that you violated a somewhat reasonable request for no good reason.
This is the only reason I ask the only law I can find extending to landlords and firearms and the request would only be reasonable if he made all his properties stop shooting which he doesn't due to nepotism if it was applied universally I would have no problem with his rule
Not him but that guy's pretty much on the money AFAIK. The landlord can't prevent you from owning guns but if he says no shooting then no shooting. It doesn't matter that he lets his family do stuff.
By default, private property owners can do whatever they want. They don't need to be fair unless required by law. It's YOU who needs to find an affirmative justification. Like
another thing they can't do is restrict your ability to put up a WiFi access point for example, because the FCC has exclusive jurisdiction over electromagnetic broadcast nationwide. That overrides any contracts and their aren't any private rights to EM spectrum. But that's a specific act of law empowering the FCC. Without something like that for shooting you are shit out of luck.
On a practical level, landlord's ability to frick with you if you prove too much of an ass is high. If you don't care then you might as well just move anyway.
They can only restrict almost anything they want IN THE LEASE. Once you've both signed the terms, they can't be altered until the lease comes up for renewal unless you both agree to sign new terms.
At the end of the day we're speculating unless OP posts the actual lease. In my leases there is a lot of language along the lines of "causing nuisance" and "anything not mentioned is disallowed by default unless required by law or given permission" it's standard boilerplate any autogenerator will do and it's valid in my state. It's not impossible there is no CYA in OP's lease but I'd be genuinely surprised in 2022, autogenerated ones are cheap and the norm. My default assumption though would be the landlord has reserved all rights to the maximum extent allowed by law which in Texas is a LOT. It's still on OP to prove otherwise by the lease or law.
This is true. It doesn't have to be explicitly disallowed as long as something in the lease can be implied to disallow it. But if he did make a mistake and forgot to include any such language, then owning the land doesn't grant him some right to add new terms to a contract that's already been signed.
tl;dr it's complicated. worth adding leases are just another form of contract, and contracts can in fact be broken. courts generally loath "specific performance", if the landlord terminates the agreement and the state doesn't have some other law against it usually at most tenant gets monetary damage but can still be booted. also more complex if landlord actually lives there. lots of states have extra law around renting actual homesteads that is far more protective.
finally there is the practical matter of money: if the landlord sues you, can you AFFORD a lawsuit? even if you win if that's 5 figures of legal expenses later did you really win? if it's a colorable argument you ain't getting your legal fees back in america.
Are the other properties near where his horses live? I lease grazing rights to one of my neighbors and we both don’t shoot near the cows because we don’t want to freak them out. Maybe you can tell him you really like shooting and ask if there’s somewhere on the property he’d be ok with you shooting that wouldn’t frick with his livestock?
go 1 yard off his property and shoot
You are a dirty rent hog, you have no rights.
Remember the tip on next rent payment
based landchads
stop buying funkpops and buy land to shoot on instead
how much land do you need to buy?
5 acres is the minimum here one state over. Also need to be outside of city limits without special permits like a gun range iirc.
>buy land
Which is $5k-$15k an acre and being bought up en masse by foreign companies in Texas. Good advice.
where tf do i get these pants
Go somewhere else and shoot. If you didn't rent shooting rights then you don't have them.
Just go to BLM bro, hundreds of miles of shootin….
>Texas
Hahahaha have fun pointing your guns at the TV and making pew noises.
It's fun and uses less ammo, what's the problem?
>confronting a landowner in fricking Texas
lmao don't do it you dumb rentoid, you may literally be shot and killed.
also
>living in Texas
Airsoft may be an option for you.
I live in Texas and can blow shit up if I want. Maybe try not being a landlet? You only need 50 acres to do whatever the frick you want.
>You only need 50 acres to do whatever the frick you want.
this there is plenty of cheap land in the west just save up and buy your own then you get to make the rules instead
It is not your house
You are just living on the property they donated to you
Dumb serf
>donated
>Dumb serf
You might want to be careful with calling others dumb, pardner....
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Disgusting rentoid
Shoot the horses, problem solved.
Then shoot this guy
>Landlord said I can't shoot on the property I rent cause It scares his horses we are innawoods in texas
Well then listen to the man and don't be a stupid moronic little autistic c**t from the internet for once in your life
Are you fricking moronic? He is the property owner. You don't have any rights you idiot. The fact that you came here and asked this question proves that you are too stupid to own firearms.
Your best bet is to ask him politely if you can come to some sort of arrangement. Maybe there's a specific place or time that won't bother the horses, or you can shoot quieter calibers. It's his property, so unless you contracted to be able to shoot on it, he can legally deny that activity on his property. Try being an adult and talking to him. If you've been a good tenant and state your case reasonably there's a nonzero chance you could arrive at terms.
Horses have twice as good hearing as people, and they scare easily. Shoot anywhere near a horse and you can reduce the animal to a nervewreck for lifetime. Back in the day you could train some horses to tolerate shooting for combate purposes but that's not going to happen much these days. You may not give a shit about the animal but the pricetag for not caring should give anyone pause for thought. Oh, and I would not hope for understanding from a TEXAN judge on this.
you do realize it's common practice to shoot gophers on horse farms to prevent a horse breaking its leg in a gopher hole right? or to pop invasive pests like coyotes. trust me the horses get used to it.
that being said op should be respectful of the landlords wishes
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ywnbaw
Based
on what?
Have you tried reading your lease?
>Living in TexASS
Enjoy being cucked by everyone else.
If it's not specified in your lease, you can do it.
in my state we technically arent allowed to shoot guns on our own properties unless we have over 50 acres of land. and we arent allowed to shoot on the public land either. and there's basically no ranges. it's pretty gay
Meanwhile I live in california just a few miles out of town and can literally step outside and shoot my gun if I want to. Neighbor has a shooting range. LOL
I'd rather have to drive to a shooting range than be forced to deal with gay fin guns and a shitty handgun roster
You are in the wrong, you are not the landowner you fricktard. Go find some blm or forest service land to shoot on.
Doesn't matter. The landowner can't regulate shit that's not in the lease. That's what the lease is for. They can't arbitrarily add to it once its signed.
You fricker, you just don’t get to shoot guns on property that’s not yours without the owners permissions, he wasn’t leased all of the owners property. If it’s not specified in an agreement YOU CANT DO IT.
>he wasn’t leased all of the owners property
If the bullet passes over and land that is not on the lease, then he can't shoot. If the bullet stays entirely on land he is leasing, he can. The lease lays out the rules. Everything not covered by the lease (or local laws) is allowed. He can choose not to allow you to renew the lease, but he can't do shit about you shooting on his property if you're leasing it and he neglected to put anything against it in the lease.
Shooting a gun is not like planting a garden. You don’t get to rent my property and then turn it into a shooting range for multiple reasons, the most prominent being safety.
You have to put that in the lease if you want to set that rule. You can't add terms to a contract after both parties sign it. If there's enough property being leased the tenant can shoot entirely on the leased property legally, you didn't put anything in the lease against it, and you have no boilerplate language like
then there's nothing you can legally do to stop them shooting on the property until you decline to offer to renew once the lease expires. Accidentally trapping yourself in a bad contract doesn't grant you the right to go back and change it.
You are not allowed to shoot on someone else property without the express permission of the owner, even if you are renting it. Renting doesn’t give you the right to engage in destructive or dangerous behaviors simply because it wasn’t directly forbade in the lease. Those things are covered by implicit agreements legally. The Landowner is 100% in his rights to tell that anon to stop being a homosexual and to stop shooting on his property, as shooting a gun is a know nuisance and danger.
>You are not allowed to shoot on someone else property without the express permission of the owner, even if you are renting it. Renting doesn’t give you the right to engage in destructive or dangerous behaviors simply because it wasn’t directly forbade in the lease.
Yes you are. Anything not forbidden in the lease, or by law, is allowed. That's why clauses like
mentions exist, to catch things like shooting the landlord may have missed. But absent having either a specific rule or such a clause, it is absolutely allowed.
>nuisance
Only matters if there is anti-nuisance language in the rental agreement.
>You have to put that in the lease if you want to set that rule.
Yes, that's how contracts work. You can't prohibit behavior in a contract without writing it into the contract or including a clause with a more broadly applicable scope like
.
The rules are set in the lease and cannot be changed until the lease comes up for renewal, or both parties agree to sign changes.
>The rules are set in the lease and cannot be changed until the lease comes up for renewal
Every lease I've seen in the last 15 years has a termination clause. Piss off the landlord and you'll have 30 days to find a new place to move to.
Mine has no such clause, he should read his lease and see if his does.
>He can restrict the property's use as he sees fit.
In the lease he writes that both parties sign, not after.
>If you piss him off, he can stop renting to you.
Depending on the terms spelled out in the lease, he may also have to wait until the lease expires.
>In the lease he writes that both parties sign, not after.
Nah, he can still try to after.
There are implied terms for contracts as well, just because the contract doesn't say "you can't burn my house down" doesn't mean you can. If someone is renting something vs buying something, a fundamental assumption is it can then be rented again to someone else. Verbal can be part of valid contracts too. Like if the landlord mentioned "yeah I'll still be having my horses there" then it's implied that it must remain fit to have his horses there. If there is a disagreement about that then it goes to court. Unclear contracts aren't banned and can still be valid in part, and courts will sort it out, but that does cost a lot of money.
>Do business with a company
>Take a shit in their lobby
>YOU CAN'T STOP ME IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT
Not how rental contracts work. You have a right to all legal uses of the property unless otherwise outlined in the lease.
Contracts all first and foremost yield to the law. Burning the house down would be both civil property damage and criminal arson. Shooting, where legal under local ordinances, would need to be excluded either specifically or under an umbrella like nuisances or it would be allowed.
Verbal agreements are only valid if it's stated BEFORE the lease is signed, or if BOTH parties verbally agree to a change after. You can't insert new terms to a contract unilaterally.
If the horses are actually ON the property and not on the landlords adjacent property he owns and occupies as I believe OP is saying, then OP likely doesn't have a full lease to the property and that changes things.
>Contracts all first and foremost yield to the law. Burning the house down would be both civil property damage and criminal arson.
If you own a house and burn it down NOT for any sort of fraud but just because, that'd be an environmental violation and perhaps illegal in terms of threatening to cause a forest fire or something depending on where you are, so sure bad example, but just replace that with "knocking holes in walls". In my house I 100% am absolutely legally allowed to knock holes in the walls (*yes enough to cause structural damage in areas with building codes might cause other complications but a few in drywall would not), whether it be for a purpose or not. Even if the contract doesn't spell out "you can't cut open a wall to run a cable" that doesn't mean you can make permanent changes to the building as if you're the owner.
>Verbal agreements are only valid if it's stated BEFORE the lease is signed
Duh, so the question is if the owner mentioned anything at all before lease signing about how they'd still be using it.
Frankly I think it's more likely you're reaching here. It's nearly unbelievable the owner wouldn't have mentioned something about any ongoing access or have any general boilerplate. If OP truly happened to get a you_may_act_as_if_youre_the_owner lease then sure that's great but that's a reach. We'd need to know local ordinances etc too.
And of course the owner could just "remember" that "we discussed that a bit". Which then goes to court. You're not necessarily wrong anon, but on this particular issue I suspect OP is losing if only because they're even asking here at all. Like, if OP had insisted on language to the effect of "tenant wishes to shoot on the property and landlord agrees between hours of X & Y with all responsibility/regulations on tenant" so that it was explicitly covered there'd be no debate. OP obviously didn't do that. So if the owner wants it enough they can probably find something to hang a court fight on.
>Rent house
>Shit on the floor
>Get told not to do that
>NOT IN THE CONTRACT BRO
Get suppressors.
>landlord
>innawoods
why the frick are you paying to live in some dudes house in the middle of nowhere
Because meth. As a formerly rural Texan, now unfortunately suburban, with many still rural Texan relatives I can guarantee you that there's something OP isn't saying. Hell, I have to drive by the aftermath of 2 different methfires just to get to the properties of 2 of my uncles.
Property owner. Find another place to live.
YOu have 3 days to pack your shit jose
>3 days
Only if you want to avoid an eviction suit. If you make them actually file for eviction you can drag it out a lot longer. And if there's nothing in the lease you violated, the court isn't going to agree to the eviction either.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMIN OUTTA MY MOUF
You don't have to leave at the end of a notice to vacate. If you don't, then eviction still has to be pursued through the court before you're evicted. You can drag this out ~20ish days in Texas with no appeals. And if the landlord comes out and says they're trying to evict you for behavior not forbidden in the lease, the eviction won't be granted.
so you have 20 days to be your self!
Actually until the end of the lease, since a landlord won't be granted an eviction for behavior not disallowed in the lease contract no matter how much it pisses him off.
better call saul
Literally just show up in court and watch the landlord get laughed out for trying to evict over something not in the lease. The literal only way to lose would be to not show up and get a default judgement against you.
Oh, and if you're suggestions nonlegal means of forcing a tenant out, lethal self defense against a landlord is still legally justifiable self defense.
Definitely the landlord, you ain't in control of shit boy
He is if the landlord locked himself into a shit contract that doesn't restrict shooting.
Naw, this boy ain't taking no one to court. Even if he does the landlord will just make his life a living hell
The landlord has to take him to court to evict him. He can just keep shooting and make the landlord file everything.
Eviction court isn't expensive and doesn't require a lawyer.
Doesnt change the fact op is a homosexual
Yes, he is. And following through is a dick fricking homosexual move. But legally his right if it's not spelled out otherwise in the contract he signed.
>Eviction court isn't expensive and doesn't require a lawyer.
I don't know what that is, never heard of it around here. But while not either anon I personally wouldn't be thinking about some special eviction court, but about landlord just plain suing the OP for "damages to his horses" or something like that in regular court. If a business relationship REALLY goes south there are a lot of ways somebody with money can entirely legally apply pressure. It's a lot better to just avoid getting into such a slugfest over something so minor and stupid.
>innawoods
natural law is all that matters, anon. kill him and take the horses for yourself
>rentoids complaining about rules they have to follow when on someone else’s property
Are you a Black person by chance?
there ain't no woods in texas, hoss
maybe some briar patches
>ain't no woods in texas
>t. not from Texas
It's like when people say there aren't hills in Texas.
Yeah, in places nobody lives, and it's all private land with no legal hiking.
what's your race and what's his race ? what's your sexual orientation and what's his sexual orientation ?
His property, his rules.
>Texass
Ahahahahaha every time
>who has the law on their side here?
He can restrict the property's use as he sees fit.
If you piss him off, he can stop renting to you.
His house, his rules. What's so difficult to understand?
The fact OP has a contract allowing use of the house. The owner can't sign away use of it then come back and say "um actually no" because he forgot to include something in the contract.
the fricking tiny shoes got me
>trying to scare horses just to make a shitty point
Go to a range and leave the goddamn horses alone Anon
>the shoes
I've seen this image a hundred times and never noticed the shoes until now
Sounds like your landlord could bring a nuisance suit against ya. If you insist on doing it chat with a lawyer first
How far from city limits do I have to be to set up targets to shoot? I live in Texas
Need to be physically outside of the incorporated city limits and need a minimum of 10 acres to legally shoot. Even if you're backed up to empty land, if a sheriff catches you shooting and you have anything less than 10 you can get a pretty hefty fine.