Lancet captured

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >j/k it isn't wunderwaffe
    Already picked apart and found to be majority Chinese components. Commercially available Chinese components at that. What isn't Chinese is, most notably, an old PulseLite LIDAR range finder. Pre-Garmin buyout, apparently.
    Very little of a Lancet is of Russian origin other than design, so this could be regarded as an essentially commercial Chinese drone from a technical standpoint.

    Much like the recent T-90M teardown that occurred a few months after capture, expect a more complete presentation and analysis of the Lancet's capabilities in the near future.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >majority Chinese components
      Oh wow, who could have thought

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this makes sense for a disposable suicide drone.
      commercial micro electronics have surpassed military decades ago.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >commercial micro electronics have surpassed military decades ago.

        There is a linear connection between price and durability, that chinese commercial-grade shit is not going to last long in field conditions where temperature, moisture and condensation, dust particles, vibrations etc. are a serious problem.

        Not saying everything has to follow top of the line MIL-SPEC but cheap shit simply will not last. This applies to commercial use between commercial cheap/expensive products and this will absolutely apply to commercial products in field conditions.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          As a support to this comment. Commercial electronics are primarily optimized for performance while military are optimized for durability. It doesn't matter if the ICs are hot shit if they get ripped off the board being tossed around by private bumblefrick after all.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >one simple trick
          >achieves mil spec standards
          >military industrial merchants hate this guy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Now make it vibrate violently for 24 hours in -30 °C

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >nothing personnel

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Now make it a highly stressed commercial grade processor and send it to Iraq desert with 50 °C ambient temperature and install it near a heat source like an engine or a autocannon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >autocannon
                >on a lancet drone
                Huh? Motherfricker, what???!!!!! What?? drones fly and have worked to damage equipment, what bullshit are you spewing? Theres no need to vibrate or test it because it works in real life, the most superior test of all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Don't avoid his point.

                If ya gonna compare quality with cheap shit, lets do it right.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Congratulations, you killed it. Start over.
                Most military drones already have cooling problems, pouring epoxy over everything just made it worse.

                >that chinese commercial-grade shit is not going to last long in field conditions
                It only needs to last long enough to crash into a thing and explode.

                And be transported to the frontline, and remain for days to weeks under field conditions.
                The other anon is wrong, because they assume all electronics are as shit and fragile as Apple shit. You're wrong because you just ignore 90% of the basic issues the device would face almost immediately.
                An one of the reasons Apple shit is so bad is precisely because they think pouring resin over it counts as ruggedization.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >that chinese commercial-grade shit is not going to last long in field conditions
          It only needs to last long enough to crash into a thing and explode.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >chinese commercial-grade shit is not going to last long in field conditions
          Neither is a suicide drone

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This, half the time I hear about some commercial appliance breaking down now is because of some dogshit chink capacitor giving up the ghost because even normal operation is 25% heavier load than what it's rated for.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's shit in its class. it got a tiny warhead. less then a old rpg7 in the first version.
        200mm of penetration is ok and can do a lot of damage but it limited as well.
        It's apparently also directed strait ahead so it almost always has a very shallow angle of attack unless you hit some big box thing like a krab.

        It's also not very mobile as it needs a truck for the lunch catapult.

        But the overall concept is still valid even if Russian execution is garbage. TV guided bombs work and can play a effective role on any battlefield.

        But the video of its use that almost never show it's aftermath tell you a lot

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I will say this, the Lancet seems to be the only thing the Russians have deployed with any kind of effective precision on the tactical level, that makes me very interested in how the Switchblade 600 with it's heavier warhead will perform. I hope the Ukrainian's receive thousands. Thanks for Beta testing Russia.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ackhually Lancet warhead is not so light, But its shit, They chose KZ-6 engineering demolition charge that was made for cheapness not effects.
            I wonder why. I think developers didn't have access to proper warheads and/or had legal troubles to get such access. So they chose demolition charge available as industrial explosives and that brings down Lancet effectiveness.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              BTW compare that to Iranian Shaheed with custom made shaped charge+multi EFP+frag warhead.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Iranians are better engineers than Russians

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ? They are two different weapons. One is a loitering munition the other is large suicide drone. The Shaheed makes an impressive JDAM-like boom; the Lancet is a precision shaped-charge as implied by the name.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Actually The Shaheed tear down showed it has provision for camera and radio link and excessively build command module with extra control boards to support these feature, Iranians in their desire to streamline production don't even remove extra boards from control module, they all get the same module.
                But Russians ordered barebone version without camera and radio link.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, my CFD prof was an Iranian national who was responsible for the design of the turbine blades on the f100. The guy who handled integration of surfaces into engineering simulations at my first job was a 30 something Iranian PHD who was thrilled to be in NA

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >another CFD guy on this board posting on the very same shitty thread I decided to click on
                stars must be aligned, I should buy lottery tickets. But yeah, gotta love that American DreamTM powered brain drain.
                As a side note, what CFD discretization did you focus in in uni? (not work shit, we both know we don't talk about that) I'm asking since I've noticed a massive shift in academia towards DG rather than FVM methods these days now that shock capturing is again the topic du jour.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Iranians have always been good engineers. The American education system & aerospace indsutries are stacked with Iranian ex-pats that fled when the Shah fell.

                The fact that their political system is fricked and there are enormous avenues for corruption, graft, and propaganda doesn't mean that they can't turn out a winner occasionally.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                that multiple dimple is a shapef charged ?
                is that even works ?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not that I know what's in there, but I'd assume the dimples either bow out and create a penetrating mass, or the spaces between the dimples do while the dimples themselves collapse out into them to form the "sides" of the mass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >what is an EFP
                Zoomers, not even once.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They fire in all directions to cause damage to complex targets, very common to see in anti ship weapons.
                Pic rel being an exocet warhead.

                >what is an EFP
                Zoomers, not even once.

                I don't think many people are familiar with the specific geometry of such warheads.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That is one fricked up looking pineapple.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It needs to cater to master gunnery sergeants fricked up appetites.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Inferior for damaging armor.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              How much does it weigh? I've hear 3kg in the Lancet compared to 8 in the 600.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The v1 has like 1 kg payload/warhead and the Lancet v3 has a 3kg (or anything else with up to 5 kg possible as maximum take off weight. )

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >an arms company didn't have access to proper warheads and/or had legal troubles to get such access
              What?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt that is actually the case. Likely its another typical Russian corruption case.
                Build them cheaper than your books say you do, sell them to the army at a massive profit, pocket the difference.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobaev_Arms ?
                Russian guy who steals .408 Cheyenne Tactical ammo from west and builds custom sniper rifles cosplaying Geissele Automatics or whatever. He has full support of war and quadrupled production in Russia supplying Russian side. But. During 2022 he was raided by Rosgvardia (they do ATF role in Russia) over some pity gun making regulations (like storage of ammo in non certified boxes) and his factory was close to ending and he was close to jail.

                I bet "real" ATGM makers of Russia (like all of 3 them) when new competition of Kalashnikov appeared started autistically screeching "no our warheads certifcation for you, over my dead body, stick to your stinking avtomat!" and where would you go then?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It probably will perform fine for what it is - an expensive sniper grenade, but that isn't something Ukraine requires. Maybe a few dozen of them will be sent to Ukraine for testing, if they haven't been sent already, but definitely not thousands.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              if I understand correctly, 600 should ve able to kill any piece of artillery that shows up within 40km of the frontline. Which should help Ukraine a lot.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            there have been switchblade 600's in Ukraine for a while now, we just aren't allowed to see them in action
            Given that pretty much every other piece of western tech to make it to Ukraine has performed at or above its known specifications, I see no reason to assume the 600 is not at least as effective as it is supposed to be when used in its intended role

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >performed at or above its known specifications
              I have exact opposite feels, everything but himars is horrible and Ukis rather use soviet era equivalents.
              Like I was always under impressions that idk strela/igla or bmp2 are utter trash till I've seen burger equivalents like stinger and that horrible euthanasia cube m113.
              As gen-x I always had feeling nato would just steamroll over the soviets during the 80s now after this war in Ukraine I'm not so sure about it anymore.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And yet WHERE are the TB2s…? Why is Ukraine only deploying these Chinese quadcopter toys? Is Lancet somehow WORSE than a quadcopter rigged with small grenades? You people HAVE to listen to yourselves.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And yet WHERE are the TB2s
            TB2 is a really slow aircraft trying to loiter at high altitude, it gets fricked by AA

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because drones are cost effective when you just drop F1 on mobiks. And don't need to risk expensive asset.
            RAM II kamikaze drones destroyed two Russian Tor-M2. Forgot that already any chance?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            we will see Bayraktar-chan again when the Ukies finish HARMing the Russians in the south, just like we did at Kherson

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i never got the impression the lancet was particularly effective

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Bloody bastird it's the true game changer

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It has most likely been one of the more effective Russian PGMs, considering its relative price to the fancier laser guided shells, it's probably in the upper echelon of their weapons.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          if only they could make more than 2 per week

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Quite high by Russian standards

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anything that gets stopped by a stiff net on three occasions might not be a wunderwaffen

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Quite a few videos of it working, even with only posting the good ones has certainly killed plenty of vehicles.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It has killed a M109. Hit the side and burned out entire interior.

        Compared to all other Russian weapons and tactics that are hot garbage, the Lancet is actually dangerous. It's like a Ukie FPV attack drone but more clumsy to deploy.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It probably is one of the better Russian PGMs in the context of it being a loitering munition that gets walked in by another drone. Enough so that they publish more videos of it working aside from edited in explosions when it doesn't. Compare and contrast to the shitty jump cut videos that are usually released of supposed counterbattery fire where the location and times are completely different from one single cut.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But what about that one t64 that had its track perforated and copper spattered on the hull by a lancet?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        1)It's not the first time one's been captured.
        2)Lancet has one of the only successful Russian loitering munition precisely because it's not trying to be a wonder weapon. As they try to make it larger and faster, that will likely change.

        Comapred to the joke that was KUB-BLA, it's amazing - e.g. it can actually hit its targets and is much cheaper.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So a cheap drone made out of off the shelf components? Not exactly a wunderwaffe but could probably be a nice export product for russia to poorer countries.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's a Chinese copy of the SPIKE-NLOS, as some Israelis got caught building China a copy for them to use. China probably sold Russia the plans and the parts to make it, using other countries and companies as cut-outs to have some plausible deniability if found out or publicize.

        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39209/a-group-of-israelis-secretly-built-and-tested-suicide-drones-for-an-unknown-asian-customer

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      These things have something like a 50m range, I can't imagine thats useful at all

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Probably for detonating warhead.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i love how in america there's a complete shit storm when a small magnet is identified as being supplied by china for the F-35, but in russia they straight up build entire military systems from western and chinese parts, without a single russian component

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If it works, it works

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >i love how in america there's a complete shit storm when a small magnet is identified as being supplied by china for the F-35
        problem is, that "magnet" is a vital flight-system component that renders the aircraft inoperable without.

        America is virtually de-industrialized, as far as the necessary material-production capability is concerned

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >America is virtually de-industrialized

          A bit of an overstatement but not entirely wrong. There is quite a bit of industrial infrastructure in the US and a lot of it is being used but a large portion of it was shipped straight to china. One of the major ones was raw steel production and other heavy industries that produce a lot of emissions and pose a safety risk. Why deal with the EPA and OSHA when you can get a bunch of chinese 8 year olds to sweat it out and get cancer instead? They dont have to do pesky things like put scrubbers on smokestacks or dispose of waste properly and can just dump that shit into the wild. All while paying their employees pennies.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >America is virtually de-industrialized
          So what, no ones want to work in factory or on assembly line. It's even called post-industrial economy.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        after 2014 there was an ongoing attempt to start using domestically produced components everywhere. This was called "importozameschenie" - lit. "replacing imported stuff".
        Everyone knew this was impossible, so the rule was something like "a product may be considered domestically produced if 80% of its parts are domestically produced".

        I've heard of stories like "da comrade general, this PCB it totally domestically produced. It has 10 western chips and 100 domestically produced resistors. Please ignore the fact that resistors are not connected to the curcuit"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >100 domestically produced resistors.
          SMD resistors are Taiwan made.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          An example of this a Czech Zetor tractors bought by Russia as "kit cars" so everything besides wheels and chassis.

          There are video of officials visiting the fake factory and giving out workers rewards for achieving independence from the EU with domestic production. But in reality KEMP just did the homologation. And slap on a new brand

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >wunderwaffe
      >a disposable suicide drone
      lmao what a moron

      Do you know what "wunderwaffe" means? And yeah they use cheap chinese components to BTFO your friends, are you mad they arent using the expensive japanese stuff? Thats reserved for "people" not subhuman NAFO trash

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        pop pop watch them homies drop

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    so the lancet caught in the cope chicken wire was indeed a photo-op

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or it's the other way around. The lancet caught in the chicken wire has no made it's way to an electronics lab to have it's secrets revealed.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Uh ohh...

    >The images include what looks like a U.S.-made NVIDIA Jetson TX2 single-board computer and a Xilinx XLNX 0.0% Zynq chip (Xilinx Adaptive is owned by AMD). These findings cannot be verified but seem credible.

    >“It’s not surprising that this particular Russian drone has imported components, given that NVIDIA NVDA +1% is a global leader and its technology is considered the best in the world,” Samuel Bendett an expert Russian drones and adviser to both the CNA and CNAS, told me. “Russia's different acquisition and supply chain pipelines were also well documented last year and this year, while NVIDIA has had a long-term presence in the Russian high-tech ecosystem for years.”

    >The Jetson TX2 is a credit-card sized unit that the makers describe as “the fastest, most power-efficient embedded AI computing device. This 7.5-watt supercomputer on a module brings true AI computing at the edge.” It is one of a new generation of processors designed to bring advanced machine learning and AI to mobile devices like drones.

    >The makers also claim Lancet has an autonomous mode in which it flies to a given location and then visually searches the area for targets using an object-recognition algorithm. In this mode is does not need any link to the operator and is immune to jamming

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They probably did

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"This suicide drone brought (directly) to you by NVIDIA!"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >video gaming is useless fa.. ACK!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      first they give their shit to crypto miners now they just start giving it to the Russian army to blow people up...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I remember one anon speculating on why there was an uptick in lancet videos at one point, his theory was that some vital sanctioned components got smuggled in, so the production resumed, i figured it had to be image sensors, but jetsons make more sence since its both a cpu used for ins, and supposedly ai target designation

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >ai target designation
        To my understanding targeting is done from separate drone not from Lancet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they way its meant to be played

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    is there a QRD for this thing? google gave nothing

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i thought the lancet had wide wings?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    they woudn’t do the ins on the jetson. Just the targeting.
    >am electronics engineer student

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I remember one anon speculating on why there was an uptick in lancet videos at one point, his theory was that some vital sanctioned components got smuggled in, so the production resumed, i figured it had to be image sensors, but jetsons make more sence since its both a cpu used for ins, and supposedly ai target designation

      Meant for this

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cheap drones are definitely an area that really benefits from iterative testing and off the shelf commercial components.

    The main problem with the lancet from what we see seems to be the small payload.
    They could probably do with improving the aero design, because the current one is far from efficient and compromises a lot for a frankly unnecessary level of directional agility.
    Of course there could be other problems behind the scenes: reliability, susceptibility to jamming ect.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The wing design seems like some kind of technology debt from a different design stage. I think they wanted the X Style wings so you can have tube launch and have them pop and lock into place.

      Doesn't make sense for a catapult system that needs them bolted on pre launch. You could do the shaeed style flying wing you just press from from plastic

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