This thread starts with a simple question: is the ammo scarcity in Europe real? Is it getting worse?
I'm not here to doooooomposting or stuff like that, also no flaming in light of the recent conflicts both on the continent (Ukraine) or close to it (Israel) but I may share something that bothered me.
As an anon with some military background I enjoy going to some shooting range competitions organized all across the continent, in Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland and such BUT what I noticed recently is that if in the past years there was a "happy-go-lucky" vibe with the use of ammunitions now we have the polar opposite.
Example pre-Ukr conflict: in this german military base that organizes with the local "militia" (look it up, it exists and they're such good guys) back in the days the competition would end up with ammo dumping the MG-3 into the targets by the organizers to, you know, have some fun. Last time I went the instructors were strictly ordered to not waste any shot.
Even worse, a usual competition where I went in the Netherlands called it quits for "logistical problems" aka "lack of disposable ammo".
How could this be? I know it's just a small example but did we, as Europe, ran so deep into the storage that we can't have military competitions anymore? Mind you, these are not for civilians, they are made by the military for the military (in Germany you can meet latvians, polish, english, swiss, italians even americans from the NATO base not too far from the shooting range) to "strengthen the bond" between different soldierly and to learn to master the other army's weapons.
Opinions? Usually in these competitions you shoot with the army ordinary side-gun, main gun, belt fed machine gun (if available) and some other stuff linked to the military but not using any ammo (like throwing dummy granades on an objective).
I am demoralized. It truly is over.
Bro this is why /k/ is frown upon recently, literally 0.8s after this thread we have the antirussian spam with no willingness to discuss anything that isn't Russia state bad
>/k/ is frown upon recently
ESL dribble kys
What was anti-Russian about my post?
Prior to the war in Ukraine the Bundeswehr could do whatever they wanted because nobody gave a shit about them. The war in Ukraine put them into public attention again. Being an incompetent idiot already cost one minister of defense her job. Needlessly shooting ammo into the air is exactly the thing you wouldn't want to do while fighting for a budget increase.
the only ammo that has ran out is cheap russian garbage and cheap eastern european garbage that relied on russian supplies to be produced
ammo prices have barely gone up when you remove the impact of inflation
t. used to shoot a lot of cheap russian garbage and cheap eastern european garbage
>This week, anon learns about supply and demand.
Maybe they should just do what the Russians do, and order everyone on the range to report that they fired 1000 rounds each with 99% accuracy. That way, the soldiers are happy, the officers are happy, and the command is happy. It's not like there's going to be a major war anyway...
>Example pre-Ukr conflict: in this german military base that organizes with the local "militia" (look it up, it exists and they're such good guys) back in the days the competition would end up with ammo dumping the MG-3 into the targets by the organizers to, you know, have some fun.
Damn it's like pre-2022 nobody in politics gave a shit about the Bundeswehr and something happened since then which has put them into the focus of politics and their expenses and stockpiles are monitored more seriously now.
Having a big war going on is going to push demand up. Even if there are sources of ammo that won't go to the frontlines, you now have more buyer competing for what ammo is available. Under ideal market conditions, new producers would pop up to meet the demand, but ammunition manufacturing has large barriers to entry and existing producers are reluctant to expand production for what is likely a temporary increase in demand.
Yeah but it's a matter of cancelling (technically) military exercizes for the sake of ammo consumption. Sounds quite radical
By your own admission these events weren't serious military exercises. If ammo is harder to come by, it makes sense that you'll cancel less important stuff like letting larpers magdump with an mg3
What is it about certain posting styles that makes their ulterior motives so apparent? Is it their grandiose yet conversational style, peppered with idioms and phraseology distinctly "past its sell by date"? Is it the use of rhetorical questions, or the ubiquity of poetic license? Is it simply the way that the subject is framed, from a "concerned individual" who is "hungering for the truth" speaking as though they do not know what is happening? Very strange. Very strange indeed my friends.
The verbosity is very European though. We learn English (as in England) over here. People from other European countries that know enough English to express themselves in front of a rough crowd like PrepHole are usually fluent due to book-learning. This means that we can usually sound quite pompous when we communicate with amerifats or chavs that get their poor language skills 'for free'.
That aside, yes there is something that is off with the OP's post. Some uncanny valley shit going on, or three-titted whore territory. There is some next level troll farm activity going on. It is not all illiterate Pajeets.
> thinly veiled vatnik thread is thinly veiled
You are exhibiting signs of paranoia
Haven't seen any pyrodex in years, as for the regular stuff that's still around.
Dutchfag here: yes our military is in deep, underfunded shit, but at least they have enough ammo to practice now. Couple of years ago they had to shout PANG PANG in exercises, which turned into a national meme because it really should have. Anyways, Ukraine really woke up the politicians and now there's a drive towards domestic ammunition production.
Nigel from Paris oblast here I am very demoralized by the lack of ammunition and baguettes
What did Russia lose now?
Are we blaming ukrainians for lack of ammo today?
Ammo is expensive.
This is nothing new.
I served in one of the decent European armies in the early 2000s in an infantry battalion. We would go to the range once a month or less and shoot a dozen rounds each.
In 3 years of service there was only one time where we had some extra ammo to burn through and we got to shoot a few bursts.
>Opinions?
you're completely full of shit - A personal experience
Isn't your continent at war?