Britbong thread. I'm looking for a good keychain flail/whip setup for EDC. Any advice?
• What's the optimal length of chain?
• How thick should the chain be? Does it even matter?
• I heard that keys lack enough weight to do serious damage. What items can I add to the keyring to weigh it down more, but without losing plausible deniability?
deez nuts
Use the chains they keep around your wrist.
Strong enough to keep you in line, it should work.
Literally illegal to use that for self defense. You will get nicked if you do.
Source? I'm pretty sure it's legal to use anything for self defence, as long as it's reasonable force for the situation.
What's illegal is carrying something specifically for the purpose of self defence, as that means it's premeditated violence. For example, carrying a bottle of water to drink from is perfectly fine. But if you're carrying a bottle with the intention of using it for self defence, then that bottle becomes a deadly weapon and is illegal.
In other words, you just need plausible deniability on everything. You must be able to produce a believable, innocent reason for carrying anything.
>I just happen to carry this heavy chain that I just happen to have trained on how to use for self defense purposes officer
Why not use your fists and scrap like a man? Using weapons is dishonourable anyways.
have a nice day pikey
>But if you're carrying a bottle with the intention of using it for self defence, then that bottle becomes a deadly weapon and is illegal
Jesus dude lmao
For some reason, the ultimate taboo is self-defence.
You can get a shotgun certificate easy. A firearms certificate is also not that hard. Just say you want to shoot targets as a hobby. But the easiest way of getting rejected? Say that you want a gun for self-defence. We have more right to use our guns to shoot targets or squirrels than we do to defend ourselves. Coppers in this country are worthless at protecting people, so we basically just have to hope we never get attacked. Shit's fricked.
because more people injure themselves with guns than they do defending themselves with guns. 'i need a firearm for self defence' is not a statistically valid reason in a first world country.
this. also learn how to use your fists, because confidence in those will solve the problem 95% of the time, and a willingness to use them will solve the problem the remaining 4.99% of the time. if facing asians, use your shoe. easy.
just make sure you can throw a punch without getting all panicky if you're going to start weighting your fists, it's a very easy way to break your fingers.
>because more people injure themselves with guns than they do defending themselves with guns. 'i need a firearm for self defence' is not a statistically valid reason in a first world country.
Then surely if the risk of gun injury is the motivating factor, that would mean that nobody should have a gun for any reason, if the risk of owning a gun outweighs any other benefit. After all, is it not better to not be able to shoot targets than to be killed with your gun? Yet the authorities focus specifically on gutting self-defense. Why is this? Why can we do anything except defend ourselves (not even non-lethal weapons are permitted) and the police will not give a single shit when you get attacked on the street (happened to me twice)
>if the risk of gun injury is the motivating factor, that would mean that nobody should have a gun for any reason
that's one hell of an extrapolation to make, and irrelevant other than for fomenting a gun control argument. we don't want that again, we want to discuss appropriate means of self defence in ol' blighty.
>the risk of owning a gun outweighs any other benefit
that's the bit you've added in.
>is it not better to not be able to shoot targets than to be killed with your gun?
can you rephrase that if you want me to respond?
>Yet the authorities focus specifically on gutting self-defense. Why is this?
Because harm reduction based on statistics and first world country, like has already been stated. I know you're a responsible gun owner who doesn't make mistakes and would improve a situation involving guns by having your own, but not everyone is.
>Why can we do anything except defend ourselves (not even non-lethal weapons are permitted) and the police will not give a single shit when you get attacked on the street (happened to me twice)
I'm sorry about your experiences, but you're allowed to defend yourself, and the idea that you're at serious risk of random assault is a fantasy. Your subjective experiences aren't relevant to addressing the point which is one of simple statistics.
Also, sorry, but if you weren't scrapping when you got into your fights, then I don't believe you. I'm not saying I've never had some lippy twat trying to start stuff, and yes I've had a knife waved around infront of my face, but these situations were de escalated by walking away or bert staring, and extremely rarely, with my fists.
so if they wanna injure themselves then let them
>carrying a bottle of water to drink from is perfectly fine. But if you're carrying a bottle with the intention of using it for self defence, then that bottle becomes a deadly weapon and is illegal.
Can you carry a water bottle of spiritus or something?
Like claim "I'm a fricking secret alcoholic butthole." and if you need self defense, just spin the top off, pour it on a motherfricker and light them up?
They have acid attack problems. As in they put acid in a sports top bottle. I would rather be shot than have acid thrown in my face, no lie.
Why would you want to set anyone on fire, are you unhinged?
>You will get nicked if you do.
Who the frick cares?
reported to the home secretary
They make these monkey fist weapons, which are heavy metal balls attached to a bit of rope, and they're supposed to be quite damaging. But the problem with a monkey fist is it's obviously designed as a weapon, which would make it illegal if caught with it, unless you have some believable excuse like coming home from a martial arts class or something (and can prove this to them).
So I'm looking at my options to create something similar, but in a manner with plausible deniability. I need suggestions for things I can attach to the keyring to weigh it down more so it can deal more damage.
>can’t even carry a piece of metal without a loisence
Good god bonggays are cucked.
Come on guys, does anyone have any actual advice? Guns aren't the only weapons.
here's some advice, stop living in an anarcho-tyranny shithole
I wish I could.
whatever you use for self defense, the fact you've even asked about what you can use to defend yourself makes it illegal, because the purpose of whatever we tell you to carry makes it "a weapon"
So just get a fricking illegal gun or knife or whatever, and if you ever have to defend yourself don't stick around for the rozzers.
>the fact you've even asked about what you can use to defend yourself makes it illegal
Sure, but only if they were to find that out, which they won't.
>So just get a fricking illegal gun or knife or whatever
>you might as well either bend over for the raping or carry an illegal gun
>Just get a knife like normal criminal scum
Not only would that get me charged with a crime if I use it to defend myself, but it would also run the risk of getting arrested before I even run into any self defence scenario, just by the police happening to catch me with it. i.e. I might get in trouble even before I get a chance to use it. I'd rather not go to prison. Better to have something that looks innocent and that nobody will hassle me about.
Honest question, how do you reconcile it with your dignity as a man to be denied the most basic need of proper self defense?
It's awful, but what can I do about it? One person alone can't change anything. We have no freedom of speech here either. Post something mean on Twitter and you go to prison.
I'm not knocking you I was just being curious. I imagine it to be a soul crushing condition you're in but on the other hand most Brits seem to be somewhat okay with the status quo.
It is soul crushing, but most people are NPCs with no soul to crush.
I'm a Bong, I have guns at home and done years in the military, and I would love to be able to carry and use forearms for self defence.
But in all honestly, I'm 30 years old and been in one fight, which barely qualified as a fight. I've seen a couple more but nothing that would justify people actually needing weapons or firearms.
And its not impossible to defend yourself in this country, pic related, its just that there is a lot of focus on proportionally. Burglars do get killed and no charges are bought against the homeowner, you just seen to justify it well.
Again, would love castle doctrine style laws where you can actually protect your home from criminals, but violent crime is very low unless you are part of the criminal community yourself.
>I would love to be able to carry and use forearms for self defence
You should get a forearm licence.
>I need a license for these weapons baby
It's a Germanic right to carry a weapon. Only slaves were barred from being armed since time immemorial. Accepting that you need to prove anything to anyone to be able to properly defend your life means that you already internalized serfdom.
>Not only would that get me charged with a crime if I use it to defend myself, but it would also run the risk of getting arrested before I even run into any self defence scenario, just by the police happening to catch me with it. i.e. I might get in trouble even before I get a chance to use it.
What I'm trying to make you understand is that statement is true about literally any effective self defense tool. Some mall ninja moronation with key whip chains are just going to get you stabbed or shot by someone who doesn't care about carry laws.
You can carry mutil-tools and pen knives as long as they don't have a locking blade and are shorter than 3".
Pic related, you can just use the plier heads to jab and hammer with, and if you need to explain yourself to the law (don't stick around if you hurt someone, run the frick away) you always carry your mutitool around and you needed to protect yourself.
Odds are, you are a moron anyway that will never be in a place where you will get mugged, or you live in a place where you are likely to get mugged and you will get the shit kicked out of you by people tougher and outnumbering you.
thing about giving real advice is it doesnt just exist in the confines of what you asked. get a gun if you live in a cucked country. . . sorry but the chain flail whatever gay thing you asked is just that, gay and it will get your ass beat or shot
someone did you give advice and you called him a pikey. go a boxing club, lift some weights. do some HIIT. take your your height in cm and minus 100. that figure should be your weight in kg, somewhat lean.
I didn't call anyone a pikey. Physical fitness and learning fist fighting is all well and good, but not exactly relevant. Weapons aren't a replacement for basic fighting ability, but similarly boxing isn't a replacement for weapons. You should have both. You should maximise your advantage. If you have a weapon in your hand and the opponent doesn't, then you have a reach advantage and can keep at a safe distance while dealing damage. A chain gives you reach while also being able to be squashed down into a pocket for easy carry.
You're gonna pull out a pocket whip and they are going to throw acid in your face.
Invest in good footwear instead and start jogging.
I'd rec a pair of motorcycle or work gloves (reinforced knuckles) and maybe a roll of coins or bic lighter to hold in your fist. Take some boxing lessons, do some cardio.
called a kubotan by the way
unironically illegal to carry in bongistan, which I hope illustrates the point that any self defense weapon is illegal so you might as well either bend over for the raping or carry an illegal gun
Just carry a flashlight that's long enough to use as a kubotan.
Plus you can get ridiculously bright ones that can legit blind people temporarily. Lastly they're pretty much legal anywhere, you can take them on an airplane even. Just don't get one of those gay ones with the serrations around the lip of the lamp.
Also another benefit of a flashlight over a kubaton is that you can hold them in your fist like a roll of nickels to reinforce your fist and add weight to it.
The utter fricking state of Bongistan
more keys
Do British people have any sense of self preservation?
Lol wot. Just get a knife like normal criminal scum.
What are you twelve?
just carry a gun
>Bong
>Keychain whip
You don't need it, you guys are, sadly, pussy whipped as it is.
Get a decent chain that won't snap in half and throw all the keys you can on the keyring + some random aesthetic bullshit, the denser the better
How long should the chain be?
Long enough to get some good momentum going but not stupidly long, it should still look like a purely fashionable wallet chain
a pocket chain is a joke weapon. just wear thick stainless steel rings on each finger and keep a roll of coins or a pen with a steel body in your pocket.
ride a bicycle, carry a chain and lock as big and heavy as you like.
There's a diy melee weapon in watch dogs 2 which consists of an 8-ball attached to a rope
you could manufacture pipe weapons and overthrow your tyrannical government instead of resorting to bits of pig iron on a chain you filthy bong
>posts a render because he didn't live by his words and illegally manufacture an NFA item
you tell 'em champ
Not him but OPSEC you literal moron gorilla Black person b***h ass sissy boy cumguzzler
This thread made the reason why brits are always angry on /k/ a lot clearer
Just make a smile link or whatever you c**ts call it
get a big thick chain and attach a fricking padlock to it
if the cops ask you are a local punk and just breaking clothes in before you stich em up
I've never been in a situation where I had to resort to violence.
Am I just lucky, or too likeable to punch?
Are you the same c**t asking about using an umbrella for self defense the other night.
Lmao just go to your local boxing gym or something they'll make you skip and teach you how to throw a punch
>be bri'ish
>live in a gray, dreary land
>earn a mediocre salary but a high cost of living
>the women don't look great
>everything requires a loicense
>can't even defend yourself when attacked
>not even that safe
and for some reason they still have a net positive migration? Why? It's better than the likes of Somalia but I cannot think of a more miserable land in the G8.
>Pepper spray in the UK carries the same legal penalties as carrying a gun does.
It's even worse than I thought. Just do what it takes and leave no witnesses.
Here's to hoping the first person you whip strangles you to death with it.
meds
Lol that's some gay shit they sell to basedbois that can't go hand to hand. Take a jujitsu or krav maga course a few days a week and you will learn how stupid this thread is.
Don't believe me. Find me a real example of someone using these mall ninja toys in self-defense. It just doesn't happen.
based and goatse pilled.
>just knock there fricking block off m8