K2 likely beat Leopard 2 in the Norwegian test

Not like this kraut sisters.....

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    bot

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure OP is, but this is the first thread I've seen it create. Were the others shit too?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think Germany appreciates how thoroughly the K2 is going to take marketshare from the Leopard 2 in coming years because the Germans put too many restrictions on the Leos and won't allow enough to be license built by other countries. The Koreans are happy to do tech transfers and set up local manufacturing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      K2 is at least a decade newer ?

      there is a group in south Korea who keeps trying to obstruct the MIC but they are a small group

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany does not produce Leopard2 any more, and despite the ukraine war it doesn't intend to either. Building up a new production line would be too expensive for export partners, when korea has their k2 up and running because they actually need large numbers of it. The rest of europe doesn't likely want large numbers of tanks anyway, except poland (who will not buy german for political reasons).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany does not produce Leopard2 any more, and despite the ukraine war it doesn't intend to either
        There are still about a thousand A4s awaiting upgrades, it doesn't make sense to produce new tanks when upgrading unused old ones is cheaper. America does the same.
        But you're still wrong because there's still at least one factory in Greece producing brand new hulls.

        Do you know anything at all about this topic?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There are still about a thousand A4s awaiting upgrades
          Most of which Germany is not in posession of.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes they do? The fabrication of new hulls is done by a company in Greece, but the turret is built and assembled at Kassel, and the hulls are assembled and mated with the turret in Munich

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hull produced in Greece
          >turret produced in Kassel
          >put together in Munich
          Now I'm starting to get how it's going...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >(who will not buy german for political reasons).
        ?? Most of the stuff they import is from Germany

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Poland had multiple year long issue with modernizing german tanks. Issue started under very pro-german government so I'm not sure if it can be called political though.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Leo2A4 has serious issues with the hull. To the point Poland gave up on upgrading the hull and only changed the turret for Leo2PL.

            There are many good things about Leopards, like the gun or engine, but they have some serious problems too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not entirely true. There were 2 offers for Leo2PL, one by Rheinmetall and one by KMW. Second one was more expensive because KMW recognized that if you slap multiple tons of armor and equipment onto a suspension that was designed for much lighter earlier versions, shit is going to break. That shit is torsion bar mounting points which are the bane of every Leo2 upgrade program.
              Rheinmetall offer was cheaper since they were like nah you dont need that expensive hull upgrade, it's gonna be fine. It was not fine. Microcracks in hulls of the prototypes appeared, and hulls had to be redone after all anyway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Poland actually wanted to buy K2s ever since they were first envisioned by Korea in early 2000s, with Leopard 2A4s serving as a stopgap.
          They were supposed to be one of first foreign buyers in around 2014, with the K2PL "Wilk", but Germans blocked the export to Poland on the grounds of K2 using German RENK-made transmissions.
          Koreans only figured out domestic transmission in 2020 so the purchase was probably inevitable even without the war in Ukraine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The funny part is that Poland just ordered over 200 Renk transmissions for their K2's. So Germans suddenly no longer see the problem in exporting them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >except poland (who will not buy german for political reasons).
        Not true, they won't buy German ANYMORE because of shit support. The tanks wouldn't be broken down all the time if the Germans would sell spare parts and training, or even MAKE them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >because the Germans put too many restrictions on the Leos and won't allow enough to be license built by other countries
      Not only were the restrictions the norm in arms deals, Leo production and procurement also has the least and Leos and their parts are the most license built tanks of any western tank worldwide.
      More than the K2 as well.
      Why is every anti-German poster always either lying or just repeating dumb bullshit unquestioningly about this shit?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're a retard.
        Koreans have been so good about tech transfer than not only is Turkey making their own copies of the K2/K9, they're exporting them as well.
        The funny thing is that krauts like you still think they have anything to be proud of even after an entire year of the german government being putin's bitch at every turn.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which is the exception not a rule and will stop immediately once they get a foothold in Europe.

          Everything you called a lie there is completely factual you illiterate fucking moron.

          Wrong.

          And the K2 is a way newer tank than the Leopard 2 and has only recently been licensed or sold to other countries. That's why fewer have been built abroad you syphilitic cunt.

          I corrected somebody being objectively wrong and you had to sperg out about it lmao
          Stop being so insecure.

          >There are still about a thousand A4s awaiting upgrades
          Most of which Germany is not in posession of.

          Pretty irrelevant since they still come to Germany for upgrades.
          Unless you think Germany should have 1000 of the newest Leo2s standing around for no reason.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everything you initially claimed was factually wrong and can be proven as such with less than 5 minutes of Googling. Burn yourself alive you reality-detached subhuman.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything you called a lie there is completely factual you illiterate fucking moron.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the K2 is a way newer tank than the Leopard 2 and has only recently been licensed or sold to other countries. That's why fewer have been built abroad you syphilitic cunt.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, people are tiring of German bullshit. I think a big reason CV90s and Patrias have become so popular (other than being generally great vehicles) is that the companies and countries involved are so easy to deal with compared with competitors.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt it matters energy and personal (qualified) shortage will make production Germany almost impossible for anything else than the BW itself, if that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ther is no energy shortage and getting or training people to work on an assembly line isn't hard. If a bunch of Greeks can do it, so can anyone else.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there is no energy shortage
          Well it is there and hence production is dropping inalmost every industry.
          >assembly line work
          No it’s not. The assembly line work you are thinking of does barley amount to 10 percent of all labor hours.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well no, it actualyl isn't there outside vatmoron propaganda delusions. Buit keep being retarded and claiming otherwise while german industry is still reporting growth.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The one who isn’t the sharpest knife in drawer. 20 percent less energy consumption equals almost 20 percent less production, because German industry was already optimized for high energy costs. 15 percent true inflation means minus 2 percent GDP „growth“ means people have lost 13 percent of the purchasing power.
              I think Russia also has economic troubles ahead. But what would you know or even understand.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >people have lost 13 percent of the purchasing power

                How terrible

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            European gas storage is at record highs for this time of year and there is record wind generation happening, along with the French nuclear fleet coming back online from maintenance and things.like record heat pump installation.

            Stab yourself in the fucking throat. It's the only way you'll escape being hunted down and brained with a claw hammer.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >record gas storage
              Your issue is you don’t understand that getting the gas in the storage was extremely expensive meaning unless we build new coal power plants and get old coal power plants back online Germany won’t be able to build any significant amount of new industry.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just build nuclear you retards

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                JUST TURN YOUR NUKE POWER PLANTS BACK ON YOU RETARDS

                I have some knowledge and I can tell you nuclear was never that great. kW/h are much more expensive, if they are generated by nuclear power plants once you factor in subventions for building and development and especially unknown future cost (dismantling and future storage). In fact building nuclear power plants was mostly possible due to having cheap coal based energy. Nuclear stations create cheap electric energy, but most chemical plants need thermal energy. Which adds conversion cost/energy loses. Currently France is importing German energy because of trouble with their power plants. They even have flown in specialized welding crews from the US. On top of it building modern 3 plus or 4th generation nuclear power plants in accordance with current standards and knowledge it would mean that electricity produced by nuclear power plants is going to be much more expensive. That is why most of the reactors are almost 40 years old. Conservatives are fooled by climate extremists into supporting nuclear by their CO2 nonsense. It’s because they know that nuclear is not even an option.
                We need better filters, more efficient burners and better mining techniques with regards to coal as energy resource. But it’s already the best we have.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nuclear stations create cheap electric energy, but most chemical plants need thermal energy
                I meant cheap on paper, if you don’t factor in the true cost.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >g*rman retardation
                Take a good look bros, this shit rivals vatniks and their banan-flavored copium.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The plants already exist anon. They are perfectly servicable and in fine shape. They only dont fit scary nooks agenda and large amounts of graft somoene took to replace them with gas plants.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Research it. Germany has little use for nuclear power plants mining uranium is not really an option although it has been done in Germany. Coal is existential for German independence. That’s what’s cheap and that’s what we have. Than we can also import some gas and we aren’t susceptible to cartels or oligopolies.
                The right has been conditioned to give up coal, but in reality for those without gas it’s the best option.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wild how your own lcoe prices completely disprove this claim. Die mad, miner bitch.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s so simple they tricked GOP normie goobers into buying the CO2 anthropogenic climate change hoax. Now they advocate the unreasonable nuclear power plants instead of the reasonable coal power plants. The true cost of nuclear energy are much higher than the officially published ones, while it’s the exact same opposite with the coal based energy costs. They are much lower, if you subtract their stupid taxes and other kinds of shenanigans.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a tually much cheaper if you use magic calculations that don't exist in the real world
                Cope and seeth you insufferable moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh green nuclear
                I certainly won’t stop you from being fooled by libtards.
                Read on OL3 in Finnland
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant
                Unit 3 in Flamanville France
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant
                Or Vogtle 3 and 4 in the Us
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogtle_Electric_Generating_Plant
                Hinkley Point C in Britain
                People going insane
                https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/13/revealed-suicide-alarm-hinkley-point-c-construction-site
                well that’s understandable you might interject it’s Britain after all
                Yes, but they can’t even drive a bus there
                https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/17/bus-crash-somerset-hinkley-point-workers-injured/
                Nuclear power plants in the west are almost all 35 plus years old most of them 40 plus.
                It’s just silly delusions to think it’s going to
                the next big thing. But that’s exactly were all the climate extremist want to have you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So with WEF sponsored CO2 certificates and nuclear nonsense mass production is just not going to happen sorry boys.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Peru tested the K2 and Leopard 2 and were surprised that the Korean engines actually performed better especially after the issues Korea had in developing them. I think so far all they've left to perfect is the transmissions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think so far all they've left to perfect is the transmissions.
                It's done. They've successfully reverse engineered the ECU of its German counterpart that the localization rate hits over 90% now. It's currently exported to Turkey for use in its Altay MBT.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                JUST TURN YOUR NUKE POWER PLANTS BACK ON YOU RETARDS

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Leo 2 is only so widespread because Germany wanted to get rid of it's post Cold War stock with a nice discount.
      Do you have any idea how fucking powerful the Bundeswehr was in 1989?
      >Sales
      Germany doesn't care about sales. The economy is so big that they just design and produce weapons for themselves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany doesn't care about sales. The economy is so big that they just design and produce weapons for themselves.

        the development of the Puma has been delayed for a year because the government wanted the the interior of the tank to be at moderate temperatures to not damage the fetus of pregnant female soldiers

        fuck off with this " ayo germany so stronk!"-bullshit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Government wants it's troops to not inhale toxic fumes every day and make the interior as comfortable as possible
          >Somehow this is a bad thing
          Next time you'll tell us how bore evacuators are effeminate?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is objectively not true and has been reiterated by the MoD.
          The recent report has shown that most problems that arose with the Puma in the field were related to improper maintenance on side of the troops.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wrong, blaming the troops when your equipment breaks because you looked at it the wrong way is asinine.
            >Bei der Übung sind im Großen und Ganzen Probleme aufgetaucht, die vorher bereits bekannt waren. Beispielsweise fällt offenbar eine elektronische Schlüsselkomponente für den Datenaustausch aus, wenn sie zu warm wird. Bei der Treibstoffzufuhr mache eine Sicherheitsabschaltung Probleme. Manche Teile müssten besser gewartet, mit anderen Komponenten müsse sorgsamer umgegangen werden. Sie gingen schnell kaputt, wenn die Soldaten mit ihren Gefechtshelmen oder schweren Kampfstiefeln dagegenkämen - Sicherungen etwa, heißt es.
            >
            >Ein Teil der Fehlermeldungen hätte von den Einheiten in der Übung behoben werden können, wenn sie besser am System geschult worden wären. Aber auch die Industrie sei gefordert, nachzubessern. Heeresinspekteur Alfons Mais soll vor Abgeordneten ausgeführt haben, dass bei mehreren vergleichbaren Übungen mit dem Puma im vergangenen Jahr "Klarstände" von akzeptablen 70 bis 80 Prozent erreicht worden seien, also ein Großteil der Fahrzeuge durchhielt.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Whether the improper maintenance is due to incompetence or lack of training doesn't matter. The vehicles don't care which one it is.
              This is just more of the same issue that has been plaguing the entire Bundeswehr. Lack of spare parts, overusing existing equipment and exageration are just par for the course.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                did you read it? if your equipment can't handle boots, that's a design issue.
                >Beispielsweise fällt offenbar eine elektronische Schlüsselkomponente für den Datenaustausch aus, wenn sie zu warm wird. Bei der Treibstoffzufuhr mache eine Sicherheitsabschaltung Probleme. Manche Teile müssten besser gewartet, mit anderen Komponenten müsse sorgsamer umgegangen werden. Sie gingen schnell kaputt, wenn die Soldaten mit ihren Gefechtshelmen oder schweren Kampfstiefeln dagegenkämen - Sicherungen etwa, heißt es.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not my equipment. I couldn't care less if it works or not.
                I care more about wasting time on overblowing stupid shit like this. Why not simply state the truth of what is happening?
                The same source goes on to say that more than 90% of affected vehicles are back in service after regular maintenace. So, why pretend as if these vehicles were a lost cause?
                It's like the thing with the pregnant soldiers. Fiction made up in some retarded journalists head because they can't be bothered to do their due diligence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's absurd to accept that only 70% of the Pumas are operational during exercises in the best case
                >Heeresinspekteur Alfons Mais soll vor Abgeordneten ausgeführt haben, dass bei mehreren vergleichbaren Übungen mit dem Puma im vergangenen Jahr "Klarstände" von akzeptablen 70 bis 80 Prozent erreicht worden seien, also ein Großteil der Fahrzeuge durchhielt.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When did the Germans get so cuntish about lisence manufacturing? They let the Mexicans and Argentines lisence produce Marder derivatives in the past. Even like a decade back they offered Chile and Brazil local MBT manufacturing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those are Leopard 1, and they are hardly even considered relevant on modern battlefields. That's why it lets everyone do whatever they want. It's like the US not giving a shit on other countries doing whatever they do with the Pattons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not a Leopard 1 you blathering retard, that's a TAM2. Chile operates Leopard 2s and was offered local production of the A6 to replace their A4s. Brazil was offered the Abrams and Leopard 2. Fucking dolt opening your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/GnFlTbB.jpg

            That's not a Leopard 1.

            I was making a refernce to Osorio MBT. Chill the fuck out hue moron.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This conversation has nothing to do with the Osorio, you're just a buffoon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This conversation has nothing to do with the Osorio
                For me it does. Because it's the last and only meaningful attempt made by sudacas to make anything that comes close to modern MBTs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That has nothing to do with Germans being schizophrenic fags about arms exports and you're arguing counter logically because Germany DID offer Chile and Brazil local production.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're arguing counter logically because Germany DID offer Chile and Brazil local production.
                Germany never offered local production or tech transfer to them unless you're lying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Germany offered Brazil the right to produce the Leopard 2 under lisence to replace their Leopard 1 fleet but Oto Merala countered with a proposal to put the Centauro turret on their Leopard 1 as a stop gap. Presently it seems that Brazil will just locally build the Centauro in Brazil for now and then produce a new MBT locally with a foreign partner. There is a theory that Japan could be the partner but Japan presently cannot export tanks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany offered Brazil the right to produce the Leopard 2 under lisence
                The only license they gave you is a right to produce a few non-significant parts and assemble them with German made components. It's the same shit as the Greeks do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Germans have stated they would allow Brazilians full production. Just like how they offer that to the Brits and Australians. Italian and Swedish systems have simply been beating German options in recent tenders.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Boxer was too fat for Brazil so SuperAV and Centauro were selected. Simple as. Maybe when Brazil chooses a new tracked ifv Germans will have more luck. I suspect Lynx would be too heavy too though and CV90 would be selected.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you dipshit. Brazilians chose the Centauro over the Boxer MGS because the German unit weight near 45 fucking tonnes. Almost as much as a proper MBT.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KMW wanted FAMAE to build their products under lisence for Latin America but that was never approved by the gays in the German government. KMW also wanted to send the Leopard 2 to Ukraine from the begining but has been blocked by King Fag Scholz from the start. KMW does however have a facility in Brazil these days.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Chile operates Leopard 2s and was offered local production of the A6 to replace their A4s. Brazil was offered the Abrams and Leopard 2.
            Assembly and full line transfer are two different kinds. Just because you assemble cars from imported kits, it doesn't mean that you share the technology.
            For example, Egypt has been producing Abrams for decades but that didn't led to them anywhere close to making their own. Now they're currently seeking to mass produce K2 just like Poland did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Brazil always requires tech transfers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Brazil always requires tech transfers.
                Yeah which is why the deal never went on. Go figures!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brazil didn't want the Leopard 2. Their weight limit for their new MBT tender is 50 tons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not a Leopard 1.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember when Poles wanted to put ERA bricks on their Leopards as part of their PL upgrade but Germans refused to allow Poles to put their ERAWA on them and instead offered to design a special ERA package produced in Germany.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's almost guaranteed to win and would have already won if not for kraut lobbying.
    K2 was built for mountains and the leopard has problems with the cold.
    PrepHole is just being retarded because they fell for the "Korea-shill" falseflagging.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would anyone from MIC in their right mind shill on PrepHole

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They wouldn't.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a few shills, but it's mostly bots doing low tier dissonance.
        And arma/warriortard, and the Korean tard, and the chinkposter, and noguns 4chantards.
        They can fuck off too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Korean tard IS warriortard anon.
          He makes those threads so he can shill against them, he's an insufferable gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >leopard has problems with the cold
      They were built for the cold

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the leopard has problems with the cold.
      Kek, where on earth did you get that retarded take?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's a Macfag and thinks that Leopard needs the Snow Leopard update to work in the cold

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Leopard 2s have problems with everything, let's be real here, its not considered a top tier tank

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Let's be real here, it's widely considered the best or second-best tank in the world, leagues ahead of any asiatic or russian shitbox with the the sole possible exception of the Japanese Type 10.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1 K2
            2 M1a2sep3

            large power gap

            3 Leopard 2

            large power gap

            everything else, simple as

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The entire MIC industry ranks it this way regardless of what retards on /k want to delusion themselves because they like the shape or color of one tank versus another, in the real world it comes down to actual combat capabilities

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you forget also the fact that Nammo is willing to make their own(?) K2 ammo, and Hyundai Rotem is even willing to put a factory in Norway to produce them there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >k2 was built for mountains

      ah yeah look at those tanks trekking

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are aware that Finnland, Canada and Norway operate the Leo 2 in Arctic conditions for decades now right?
      When it comes to mountains the list grows even more.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is that trophy on the K2?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cope poolack. K2 is complete shit compared to Leopards. Soon you poolack filth will be exterminated

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Keep seething, Soviet rape baby.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't the same tanks at all, the K2 is nearly 20t lighter than the Leo2. Poland wants to build a heavy version but no one did any trials with armor that is acceptable for an European MBT, it's fine in Korea and Japan where they would fend off mostly coastal/mountain assaults, but in western/northern Europe those things would light up like candles against a mechanized attack force.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's literally no evidence to support this assertion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's an uparmored version of K2 which offers almost the same level of protection as Leclerc XLR.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      K2 is 60 tons with more horsepower than the Leopard 2 at 70 tons, this is not even a contest, a single K2 in reality could likely take out 3+ Leopard 2s in actual combat probably more

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >60 tons

        LMAO

        >more horsepower

        LMAO

        >this is not even a contest

        Agreed, one Leopard 2 could easily take out 10+ of these asiatic shitboxes in actual combat, probably a whole battalion if it wasn't for limited ammo capacity.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Asiatics are 100% win rate against krauts, never in the history of mankind has a german nation defeated an asiatic nation and in fact the precise reason why the germans are in central europe today instead of their ancestral homeland in Central Asia is because they were fleeing for their lives lmfao

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            100% of modern germans today have asiatic y dna due to the 8 to 80 program the soviets forced upon germany for decades

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            100% of modern germans today have asiatic y dna due to the 8 to 80 program the soviets forced upon germany for decades

            Ruthless.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if Korea is so great, why are they worse than Japan?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >worse than Japan
              Only in your dreams maybe. South Korea is a bigger arms exporter than Japan.
              Sorry for your butthurt, but you lost.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sorry for your butthurt, but you lost.
                I'm an American, anon. I'm an impartial observer. But from where I'm standing, Japan just seems like a better country. Just callin' it like I see it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm an American
                Post guns.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                here you go anon. you get the 1970s fed loadout.

                now you must post either guns or your chopstick collection depending on your nationality.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where are the shells?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                on the shelf. post your own guns and I'll humor you. you DO own guns, right anon?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >on the shelf
                So? Go get a pic of it then or I'll consider it as a mock.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he demands others post guns
                >he wimps out when it's his turn and gives halfassed excuses
                should I expect every Korean to be this much of a complete pussy?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >should I expect every Korean to be this much of a complete pussy
                Yes.
                Unless you're playing LoL or some shit in which case you'd better carry something since they will find your house and stab you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hurr durr korean
                Why don't you stop being a chud and post actual guns with ammo unless you're a squinty eyed zipper head that is larping with airsofts.

                >should I expect every Korean to be this much of a complete pussy
                Yes.
                Unless you're playing LoL or some shit in which case you'd better carry something since they will find your house and stab you.

                Post hands.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why don't you stop being a chud and post actual guns with ammo unless you're a squinty eyed zipper head that is larping with airsofts.
                You post yours and I'll post mine, anon. I've already stepped up. (I know you don't own guns and are 100% a foreigner.)

                With that said, I'd be very interested to see an airsoft ONG Wingmaster.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I-it's not airsoft just trust me dude...!
                >w-why don't you post f-first...!!
                Well if it's so evident then why are you so hesitant to show me? Is it really that much of a hard task that I gave you? Or are you an actual nogun larping as a gun owner?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post guns

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you are a yellow monkey. Just as I expected. Next time when you larp, you'd better prepare mock ammunition for those airsoft guns.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, I don't speak noguns.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >post airsoft gun
                >get called out for a larper
                >n-no...yuo....!!
                Here's ~~*You*~~.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Verification not required.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon, but...
                you have yet to post, larper
                and your desperate attempts at racism leads one to believe that you're a brownoid who lives in an insignificant shithole

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Japan just seems like a better country.
                If a nation still uses fucking fax machines and floppy drives to handle its governmental/corporate services as far into fucking 2022, and would have continued to use them if the coof had not kick everybody in the balls, it deserves to be compared with the likes of Brazil for all I care.
                https://restofworld.org/2022/japan-will-struggle-to-give-up-floppy-disks-and-fax-machines-for-the-digital-age/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                US here that served several tours, no comparison SK > Japan

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >South Korea is a bigger arms exporter than Japan.
                Because Japan makes shit for themselves and themselves alone so they don't bother exporting, not helped by how the longest time their laws prevented the export of weapons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because Japan makes shit for themselves
                You're saying as if it only applies to them.
                >they don't bother exporting
                Where have you been? They've been trying to sell them for the last decade, yet they failed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes correct Japan does make shit, their weapons are comical bad by modern standards, probably worse than China and certainly worse than Russia, simply not competitive in the international MIC marketplace

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I get that you're doing that shit where you shit on japan to ludicrous levels to bait low iq retards into shitting on Korea.
                But if we're talking about cost efficiency, you're unironically correct. jap shit is some of the most expensive weapons on the planet, especially for how middle-of-the-pack they are in performance.
                The biggest global rearmament and the japs announced that they're exporting weapons now. And literally nobody is interested.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Korea has never contributed to any of those wins though, on the contrary it was always dominated and enslaved by those asiatic powers, with the latest case in point being Imperial Japan.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Korea has never lost a war involving actual combat in its entire history other than the Mongols where it ended up a truce whereby Korean princes were forced to marry Mongol princesses as Mongols wanted to improve their genetic lines, dead fucking serious

              The craziest part of this is that Korea was always outnumbered a gazillion to one, the fact that they are still a distinct ethnicity today and the only race with 100% Allele A (all other places have Allele G which originated in subsaharan Africa) genetically proves out their combat or at least ethnic survivalable superiority

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                From a dna perspective its almost unexplainable how the only 100% Allele A genetics are found in the Korean Peninsula, every other part of the world has admixtures of Allele G...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >actual combat
                Yes most of the time luckily Japan did protect it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                From a dna perspective its almost unexplainable how the only 100% Allele A genetics are found in the Korean Peninsula, every other part of the world has admixtures of Allele G...

                Blatant bullshit and kimchi cope.
                More like Korea has never won (or stopped getting steamrolled to be more accurate) a war without outside factors such as intervention by its master countries, and in many cases Koreans didn't even matter in wars fought in Korea. Also, just because Korea surrendered with lightning speed and sucked aggressor's dick as hard as possible before it developed into a real war, doesn't mean Korea won the war, that's why the history of Korea is all about being subordinate to dominant powers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Irrelevant, not to mention samples were only taken in one city in Korea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >one of the major cities in Korea
                >decent sample size
                >literally 100% lmao
                >too retarded to pass statistics class
                galactic levels of cope

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Koguryo-Sui War, 300,000 Koreans versus 3+ million Chinese, almost no casualties almost every Chinese killed and lead to the downfall of the Sui Dynasty

                Imjin Wars, Korea outnumbered anywhere between 3:1 to 5:1 and still ended up destroying the Japanese in actual combat, Admiral Yi with 13 ships literally sank the entire Japanese navy of over 300 ships without losing a single ship

                This does not even include the Korean colonization of the Japanese islands over 2500 years ago, Japan was inhabited by indigenous Jomon people that were near genocided by the Korean colonist Yayoi people, even today the Japanese dna is something like 90%+ y dna from Korean dna

                Lmfao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Koguryo-Sui War
                If anything, Koguryo is part of Manchurian history, and the numbers are extremely exaggerated.

                >Imjin Wars
                Korea was conquered by a Japanese daimyo within a month, lost one million people, and got its ass saved by Ming China and the daimyo's death. That's one of the finest examples of how Korea never stopped getting utterly btfo without outside factors. In fact Korea wasn't even allowed to participate in the peace negotiations between Japan and Ming, pretty much the same as the Sino-Japanese War (Japan vs Qing China over Korea) and the Korean War (Commies vs US over Korea). Korea has always been a playground for great powers.

                >Korean colonization of the Japanese islands
                Typical Korean cope fantasy and wewuzzing, manifestation of interiority complex towards Japan. The Japonic peoples came from the continent in the first place.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Koguryo = genetically Korean, Manchurians are genetically close to Korean and both are distinct from han chinks

                Koguryo = Korean names, Koreanic language, Korean is closer to Turkish than to han chink language

                Imjin Wars = Korea was completely disarmed due to the royalty only allowing the royal guards to have weapons and Japan outnumbered Korea 5:1, so yeah Japan won the initial battles but Korea completely mogged in the war and ended up genociding all of the nips other than the few that could flee for their lives, again Korea population was something like 3 million compared to 30 million in Japan and still complete moggery by Korea, Koreans are just better at everything, simple as

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imjin War was a decisive Korean victory, even Japanese history books reflects this as a massive embarrassment due to the overwhelming numbers Japan had in the invasion

                The back story from the Japanese perspective is that the Japanese considered Koreans kinfolks, effectively the same and tried to convince Korea to united with Japan to invade Ming China, Korea ended up literally beating both Japan and Ming China, pretty impressive for a nation that was outnumbered massively by both Japan and China, Koreans must be really tough people

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imjin War was a decisive Korean victory, even Japanese history books reflects this as a massive embarrassment due to the overwhelming numbers Japan had in the invasion

                The back story from the Japanese perspective is that the Japanese considered Koreans kinfolks, effectively the same and tried to convince Korea to united with Japan to invade Ming China, Korea ended up literally beating both Japan and Ming China, pretty impressive for a nation that was outnumbered massively by both Japan and China, Koreans must be really tough people

                moron cope fantasy at its finest.

                Korea was curbstomped in the Imjin War. When the Ming Army arrived, Korea was practically over. Two capitals were occupied, the king had already fled, his princes had been captured, useless Korean armies getting massacred everywhere, and it's the Ming that managed to recapture Pyongyang and set up peace negotiation, even though they also got crushed at Pyokjeyek. The war is no different than the Korean War - Korea gets steamrolled and its master of the time saves it ass, and actually partition of the peninsular was on the table during the Japan-Ming negotiations too. Also Japanese casualties were pretty small, evident from the number of killed generals/commanders (almost zero) as opposed to Korea piling up bodies of high-ranked officers including Yi sun shin. Korea is such a joke.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Korea decisively won the Imjin War and genocided the nips and chinks, this after taking years to properly arm up against the souless bugs from both untermensh nations and being outnumbered 5:1 against nips and 50:1 against chinks, Koreans still won

                If history has taught us anything its that 1 Korean soldier can easily beat 5 nips and 50 chinks, simple as

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Other than against china have the nips ever won a war? They seem to start strong but always ends up getting brutally mogged, ww2 nips were beating the us until the us was able to react and ended up decisively crushing the nips and even dropped a few nukes for good measure even though the nips were going to surrender anyways

                In reality nips rely on treachery to establish some gains but always get demolished

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Delusion everywhere. This is also just about a test between two tanks too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it didn't, all the records and material evidence point to the exact same fact that Korea was UTTERLY stomped and that Japan's internal rivalry sparked by Hideyoshi's death put an end to the invasion.

                The official dynastic record of Ming China itself admits it, saying "The invasion lasted nearly seven years and casualties exceeded many hundred thousand. China and the vassal (Korea) fought hand in hand but they had no chance of victory. Only the death of Hideyoshi brought the calamities of warfare to an end" - couldn't be more accurate, no room for moron cope fantasy. Samurai mowed down Korean troops to the level of building a mound out of ears of killed Koreans, the Mimizuka.
                >The monument enshrines the severed noses of at least 38,000 Koreans and over 30,000 Chinese killed during Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasions.[6][7][8][9] One hundred and sixty-thousand Japanese troops had gone to Korea where they had taken 185,738 Korean heads and 29,014 Chinese ones, a grand total of 214,752.[4]:p. 230[16] As some might have been discarded, it is impossible to enumerate how many were killed in total during the war.[9]

                Korean military incompetence is legendary, even worse than the Chinese, arguably the shittiest of Asia. A 17,000+ strong Korean army trying to invade Japan's Tsushima island in the 15th century for example got hilariously BTFO by the only 600 (six hundred) strong garrison, and begged for negotiation, and that's the sole case in history where Korea even tried an invasion of Japan (not even the mainland though). Korea isn't the eternal vassal state of Asia for no reason, and the massive inferiority complex towards Chadpan is totally warranted actually.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did the Koreans manage to lose so many soldiers? The Chinese suffered only around 40k compared to nearly 200k Koreans which is a 5:1 ratio and definitely more than the Japanese since they didn't even send that many men. How badly can a country lose a war other than getting genocided because this is up there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry only under 30k Chinese but this is even worse. How can the Korean shills in this thread live knowing this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry only under 30k Chinese but this is even worse. How can the Korean shills in this thread live knowing this?

                The Ming reinforcements were smaller than the Korean Army, but yeah Korean incompetence is at another level that warrants the desperate shilling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Admiral Yi with 13 ships literally sank the entire Japanese navy of over 300 ships without losing a single ship
                Conveniently forgetting that Admiral Won Gyun completely fucked up Joseon's own naval fighting power in one battle where he had equal if not higher chance of winning against the Japs I see.
                Fuck "Korea strong" bullshit. Every nation had their admiral Yi for everg dozen Won Gyuns. Like Japs that had the 4 fuck ups in WW2 in command and whoever war general the Japs unambiguously like, I don't give enough of a shit to know.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what happened here, then? because from my reading of the Japan-Korea Treaty of 1876, it sounds like Japan pressured Korea into becoming a protectorate by scaring them with a handful of modern gunboats. that's a little pathetic, isn't it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >1876
                >1941
                >weeb trying too hard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The treaty lasted from 1876 until America defeated Japan and liberated its empire.
                That whole time, the Japanese enjoyed full control of Korea and extraterritoriality within its borders. That's 71 years of rule, isn't it? Seems like a long time to be ruled by another country without even putting up a fight.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep in mind that many in korea wanted to modernize with japan, it was the royalty that did not, also at the time korea had maybe 10 million people compared to over 70 million in japan, effectively like how ireland was massively outnumbered by the english

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There was no war or combat involved, many in korea (especially the elite businessmen that hated the royalty) wanted to join japan, there were many in japan that were actually ethnic koreans too and together they wanted to united korea with japan to create a world power, japan annexed korea and what goes largely uncovered is that a substantial part of the japanese military to include leadership were ethnic koreans

                However, even though they shared ancient kinship the dividing line in the sand was that korea embraced Christianity whereas japan was staunchly against it, hence the effective root of the division and animosity between these countries

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the precise reason why the germans are in central europe today instead of their ancestral homeland in Central Asia is because they were fleeing for their lives lmfao

            Indo-Iranians formed in Central Asia. Proto-Indo-Europeans originated around the Pontic-Caspian Steppe further west.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sweden (Germanic) colonised Finland (Asiatic) for centuries

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        K2 is 55 tons and 1500 hp

        Leopard 2A7 is 73 tons and 1479 hp

        Its not a even a real contest and why every country wants the K2, Leopard 2s are literally leftover tanks for countries like Ukraine that can't get access to K2s or M1s

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is a toy, please post at least one real picture of this thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a Challenger 2 my guy

      They aren't the same tanks at all, the K2 is nearly 20t lighter than the Leo2. Poland wants to build a heavy version but no one did any trials with armor that is acceptable for an European MBT, it's fine in Korea and Japan where they would fend off mostly coastal/mountain assaults, but in western/northern Europe those things would light up like candles against a mechanized attack force.

      Is this true? The armor is very weak?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no, the "side armor" meme is just cope.
        any tank in the world would get damaged just as much if hit by anything that will damage the K2. Just look at how leopard 2s fared in turkey.
        The abrams is the only one who might survive but only the latest ones. And only the american latest one. Export version would not have the cutting edge composite armor.
        Not to mention that the K2 is still a growing tank. Because it is so new, there is still a ton more weight that can be put on it. Polish/Norwegian K2s will have improved side armor that the Koreans didn't need for their terrain.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2A4
          I don't think that's as well protected as a A5 onwards though
          >Abrams might survive
          I think if the Abrams could tank it so could a 2A7 and a CR2
          >K2 weight
          Could this possibly cause huge issues like what happened to the Ajax?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only real improvement done on A6 compared to its predecessors the wedged cover at the front.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >2A7 $15m
              >K2 $8.5m
              It was never going to be as good, look how much cheaper it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >look how much cheaper it is.
                That's just german bureaucracy on display.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gripen costs more than an F35 retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes vecause the F35 is more popular.

                The Leopard is the F35 in this scenario except it costs alot more despite everyone using it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idiot, tthe leopard is a mig23, the k2 is an f22 that is as exportable as an f16, hence why the k2 is the most sought after mbt and the leopard is increasingly having countries run away from it like the plague

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You completely miss the point you imbecile

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard the K2 is more popular than the Leopard 2 and its not even close, there is not a single credible military in the world that prefers the Leopard 2 over the K2

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Third world nations like Poland and Turkey want the K2.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As well as first world nations like Norway, meanwhile the only countries that are still buying the Leopard 2 are Bulgaria, Croatia, Romania lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did you determine the unit cost?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                K2 has more advanced components but Korea has substantially greater industrial production capabilities than Germany by several factors, this is the sole reason why the K2 (which is still more expensive than any other tank to include the M1) has a lower cost than the Leopard 2A7

                If both were scaled to produce the same number of units of say 10 per year the K2 would cost several times more than the Leopard 2

                As a data point the K2 also costs 3x+ more than a Challenger 2 or a Leclerc, even with the far greater industrial production scale

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In 2001 Challenger2 cost £4.8million which today would be £8.3 million.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What version of Leopard is that? 2E or Strv 122?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the uparmored K2 that's proposed to the Saudis before.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >K2 that's proposed

        so it does not exist, it's fiction

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're not produced yet because no one ordered yet. But they do exist in seperate elements.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I hope. Then you can sell the Leopards to Finland who in return send 10-12 to Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Norway would just provide them directly as they've done with plenty of other systems during this war.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    May I see the proof?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I believe a general of forsvarets has written an article recently alluding to the success of K2 in the test.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many K2's have non-dogshit powertrains?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of them?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep saying this to yourself as your engine and chud blow up like a hand grenade for the third time this week

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          weak

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would it? No K2's have been delivered with the currently not-accepted powerpack. Its kinda in the name "not accepted".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally all of them since the sub-standard powerpack wasn't accepted into service. If you weren't a such retarded kraut, you could've probably figured this out on your own by doing some basic googling.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No surprise, Norway's terrain much more similar to the Korean peninsula than central Europe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Norway has pretty horrible terrain for tanks. It is mostly mountains, swamps, forests and valleys. With a lot of tunnels and bridges for chokepoints.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The northernmost part of the country, the one that borders with Russia, has large flat areas. The southernmost has large flat areas too. We have been invaded before, there's no point in pretending we can't be invaded again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe parts of Finnmark during the vinter, but it gets really wet there during the summer. If the Russians reach Jæren with tanks, it would already be over. My father was a tank commander, and he explained to me why we have almost no tanks here.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jæren. You must be joking. That's so far southwest the Russians might as well try for Scotland. The key to take Norway wholesale is to capture Oslo. That's a fourth of the entire population and most of the administration.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Capture oslo so you can take a bunch of office workers out of play? Lol dude no, the only possibility is to take towns across the coast and fjords, that is where the industry is.
              Also good luck holding oslo, nothing of strategic advantage there so it is going to be a cluster fuck holding that urban area

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would there be a war in Ukraine now if the russians had managed to capture Kyiv? Would there be a Ukraine?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Krautoids seething no one wants their shit MBT anymore lmao. Maybe you shouldn't have been pacifist cucks for the past 30 years?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck yeah I hope you are right. Regardless of the tests the Leo comes with FAR too many strings attached. When the Koreans sell something they dont demand control of it afterwards.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that, they'll build you a factory and give you all the tech to build their shit locally.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norway doesn't want a K2 factory. Our local needs are small ,we aren't into large scale weapons export, and a factory would be too easy a target in a war. Production of key spare parts, even co-production of software and electronics would be different - we already do that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't say they force you to do any of that, just that they'll give it to you if you want. The option for tech transfers and local production are a big fucking deal when you're talking about arms sales.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kongsberg sells more arms than you might think

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kongsberg could build the K2 if there was a will to.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kongsberg has no experience or capability with making heavy vehicles or armour plate work of that scale.
            RITEK or Aker could do it, but it would probably be as part of some kind of industry consortium with KDA.
            Production at Aker was one of the initial ideas from HRC

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norway doesn't want a K2 factory. Our local needs are small ,we aren't into large scale weapons export, and a factory would be too easy a target in a war. Production of key spare parts, even co-production of software and electronics would be different - we already do that.

        A K2 factory only for Norway would be wasted, but if Sweden and Finland in the future suddenly decided they'd be interested in K2s, then maybe a factory jointly run by our national weapon companies would probably be set up either in Sweden or Norway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget Poles and potentially all of Baltics

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would love that. And even better if the K2 factory could also service the K9s.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >please buy leopard 2
    >we promise that last one will be delivered by the end of this century

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I must say the K2 really is shaping up to be the best tank of the current gen, in terms of armor, armament, manoeuvrability, and systems, it looks like a total game changer, and likely to shake up the global AFV sector. The current roster of customers and potential buyers is increasing almost daily, and Korean industry and engineering are starting to show their true excellence in the face of inadequate European (specifically German) designs and political limitations, I dare say that we are looking at 30+ years of Korean dominance in the military export market. If such a quantum leap can be achieved in tank capability and manufacturing, what can we imagine will be the next step for other systems such as military aerospace, small arms development, and ordnance.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Great, send 500 to Ukraine please. It’s so much better, no need to waste fuel on the Leopards.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Leopard 2 is like 50 years old.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a surprise. Korean cars now beat German ones also...

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OH NEINNEINNEINNEINNEIN

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kinda dig that turret face look for the Norway version except for the Trophy radars

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >likely
    >no source

    LMAO. Slanteye cope thread detected.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dare i say, the moron shills on this board are even more forceful than the ziggers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > dare i say

      Lmfao you talk like a fucking gay, 100% you speak with a lisp irl

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        don't you have anything better to do than defend korean tanks on PrepHole ?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >defend korean tanks
          No need to do so, since krauts are imploding by themselves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure it's a /v/ meme, tourist newmoron shill.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >my choice is a Leop-ACK

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Posts: 98
    >IPs: 46
    Wonder how many people in here are all the same Korean shill

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the late 1990s, Turkey wanted to buy and license produce Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers but German arms embargoes prevented it. In May 1998, South Korea's MoD approached Turkey to buy its K9 Thunder howitzers even before the ROK military bought it in December 1999. The MoU was signed in May 2000.

    Turkey began producing the T-155 Firtina howitzer under license and single-handedly made the K9 a battle-proven weapon over the next 2 decades. In the mid 2010s, South Korea began getting orders from other countries and they kept piling up.

    In 2007 as part of Turkey's MBT program/tender, South Korea showcased its under-development MBT which became the K2. In 2008 the deal was signed with the ROK for technical assistance on the Altay MBT.

    The K2 itself entered ROK service in 2014. The Altay began serial production in 2023. Two Altays will deliver in May 2023. By this point Poland was ordering a large number of K2 tanks to also get away from German or French weapons.

    Germany began 'informal embargoes' on small arms sales to Turkey in the early 2010s by way of delays and hurdles. This, combined with US Congress blocking UCAV sales to Turkey in 2012, directly promoted Turkey to pursue domestic production across all segments. By the late 2010s, Turkey is one of the largest small arms exporters and the largest UCAV exporter in the world.

    Germany also tried to sabotage the Altay MBT program, first by getting involved with it, then resorting to usual delaying tactics and ultimately pulling out when Germany slapped formal arms embargoes on Turkey in 2019.

    This fuckery also prompted South Korea to develop their own domestic engines and transmissions to replace the German ones from the K2. The ROK also signed a deal with Turkey to supply engines and transmission for the initial 100 units of the Altay MBT called the Altay T1. Meanwhile, BMC Power has developed domestic Turkish engines and transmissions for the Altay T2 which begins production in 2024 and delivery in 2025.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good post

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > In [May 1998], South Korea's MoD approached Turkey to buy its K9 Thunder howitzers even before the ROK military bought it in December 1999. The MoU was signed in May 2000.
      Meant to say May 1999.
      *Spellcheck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting post
      Turkey makes for an interesting innovator in this macroeconomic sense. Weird shit how things find their way to success

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Interesting post. Turkey makes for an interesting innovator in this macroeconomic sense. Weird shit how things find their way to success
        Turkey made $4.4B in defense exports in 2022, up from $3.2B in 2021.
        Germany made $8.8B in 2022, down from $9.2B in 2021.
        The Turkish government expects $6B in defense exports in 2023.

        Germany's influence and arms sales have peaked, and both are going downhill. They shot their foot by fucking with Turkey over the decades. They also had a de-facto arms embargo on Ukraine since 2014 up until weeks into the 2022 Russian invasion. By the 2030s Turkey will very likely match and eventually exceed German arms sales.

        What Germany does isnt dumbass. It is an attempt at power influence. In the past shit like this has worked. Now it doesnt because now military equipment has a purpose again, it's not just to show how good you are at using taxpayer money. Germany tries to get leverage and are shocked that the marked won't play with their marbles any more.

        >What Germany does isnt dumbass. It is an attempt at power influence. In the past shit like this has worked. Now it doesnt
        Care to elaborate who it influenced though?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Turkey became a dictatorship.
          Germany not supporting that was the right call

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Turkey became a dictatorship.
            > Germany not supporting that was the right call
            Germany's embargoes against Turkey have been going on for decades straight, numbnuts. See:

            In the late 1990s, Turkey wanted to buy and license produce Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers but German arms embargoes prevented it. In May 1998, South Korea's MoD approached Turkey to buy its K9 Thunder howitzers even before the ROK military bought it in December 1999. The MoU was signed in May 2000.

            Turkey began producing the T-155 Firtina howitzer under license and single-handedly made the K9 a battle-proven weapon over the next 2 decades. In the mid 2010s, South Korea began getting orders from other countries and they kept piling up.

            In 2007 as part of Turkey's MBT program/tender, South Korea showcased its under-development MBT which became the K2. In 2008 the deal was signed with the ROK for technical assistance on the Altay MBT.

            The K2 itself entered ROK service in 2014. The Altay began serial production in 2023. Two Altays will deliver in May 2023. By this point Poland was ordering a large number of K2 tanks to also get away from German or French weapons.

            Germany began 'informal embargoes' on small arms sales to Turkey in the early 2010s by way of delays and hurdles. This, combined with US Congress blocking UCAV sales to Turkey in 2012, directly promoted Turkey to pursue domestic production across all segments. By the late 2010s, Turkey is one of the largest small arms exporters and the largest UCAV exporter in the world.

            Germany also tried to sabotage the Altay MBT program, first by getting involved with it, then resorting to usual delaying tactics and ultimately pulling out when Germany slapped formal arms embargoes on Turkey in 2019.

            This fuckery also prompted South Korea to develop their own domestic engines and transmissions to replace the German ones from the K2. The ROK also signed a deal with Turkey to supply engines and transmission for the initial 100 units of the Altay MBT called the Altay T1. Meanwhile, BMC Power has developed domestic Turkish engines and transmissions for the Altay T2 which begins production in 2024 and delivery in 2025.

            South Korea's own rise as an arms export power is directly related to Germany's anti-Turkey embargoes.
            Formal embargoes in the 1990s, informal embargoes in the early 2010s onward, and formal embargoes since 2019 onward.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The dictator in Turkey backs Ukraine, whereas the Russian stooges in Berlin are doing the best they could to sabotage the war effort.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              pretty sure hes playing both sides as always

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Turkish tin-pot dictator is literally blocking NATO expansion

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only thing theyve asked is for the swedes and finns to not support PKK and to hand over PKK elements

                None of these two have any bearings on sweden or finland strategic capability

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When Turkey was an actual military dictatorship, Germany sold weapons. When it stopped then the embargoes started.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              CW was a different time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Turkey is like one of the strongest democratic countries out there, people are actually passionated about elections

            [...]
            why did Germany embargo Turkey in the 90's? Was it because of Cyprus?

            Nah spd and grüne and linke were pushing their shitty marxism anti turkey propaganda with success

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nUgtJPS.jpg

      > Turkey became a dictatorship.
      > Germany not supporting that was the right call
      Germany's embargoes against Turkey have been going on for decades straight, numbnuts. See: [...]

      South Korea's own rise as an arms export power is directly related to Germany's anti-Turkey embargoes.
      Formal embargoes in the 1990s, informal embargoes in the early 2010s onward, and formal embargoes since 2019 onward.

      why did Germany embargo Turkey in the 90's? Was it because of Cyprus?

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Goddamn K2NO/PL looks so good.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Buying foreign
    >At any point
    Lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F-35

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this board such a Korean MIC shill zone?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you such a whiny gay?

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The timing seems a bit poor. Leo2 got at least a decade more of service life left, which means K2 will be quite old by the time the next generation of western tanks are about to hit the production line.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Korean design seems almost perfect for that scenario. Like it was built to age well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no European tank that has been committed to being built or upgraded beyond current versions in decent numbers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because most European armies are not looking to replace their tank fleets quite yet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Couldn't miss the point more if you tried. There a maybe 3 conceptual or prototyped design for European tanks beyond what exist now. The only one that has any commitment to buy is the Challenger 3, and only in small numbers. The Leopard upgrade that was shown off is fucked because the Germans won't find it and they're lighting their potential customer base on fire. The other is a transnational concept only.

          And there are in fact, a lot of countries in Europe looking at replacing their older tanks.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Type 10 is superior. Best MBT in existence.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Non-existent side armor. See Red Effect's video on it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good thing you banzai charge enemies head on dumbass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And it isn't non-existent, it is just light, because it can be, because it is glorious 100,000 times folded glorious Nippon microcrystalline armor.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good for Japan not good for open fields of Europe.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Type 10 is also considered to be a lesser Type 90, which probably would've been better off for them to stick with.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love the K2 because it makes krauts seethe hard as they realize they are losing their NATO tank export monopoly and that the 2A7 is an outdated and overpriced piece of shit. Plus, with all their recent gayry with export restrictions, nobody will buy want to buy the Leopard 3 and as a result it's already DOA.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As I said, it makes nobody seethe, Germany simply doesn’t have the capacity to produce tanks for others.
      On top of it MBT are all outdated.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it makes nobody seethe
        Well, it certainly did for Nicholas Drummond....

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    K2's a better tank

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many chinks, weebs, and brownoids poisoning the well again. Literally a year straight of these morons desperately trying to shut down all discussion about Korea.
    I don't even think it's krauts at this point. They know better than anyone how fucked the bundeswher and their MIC is.
    Biggest global rearming since the cold war and Korea has signed some of the biggest deals. Fucking cope.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ive been under a rock what happen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's very very old news. Norway is choosing a new tank, Korean K2 and Leopard 2 are the finalists of the trials, and that's about all that's been happening since october or so. If the Leo is chosen it means very little since Norway has already had the Leo platform for decades. If the K2 is chosen it will be kinda spectacular because the entire Scandinavia could end up with both a tank and arty system from South Korea. The technological differences at this point are small and Norway will likely never order more than 150-200 tanks total which is fiddlesticks. Why this is a theme now is because Germany's fuhrer Scholz refuses to let countries who have legitimely BOUGHT German tanks, give a few of them to Ukraine. What with him being a huge Putin fan, it's no surprise, but who wants to spend billions on something the previous owner wants control of?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is it normal for competitions to take over 3 months?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            as in drag out the decision after trials.
            last time I heard something like this happening was from aussies and they just fucking quit for some reason.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              trials were back in february 2022. final offers and contract negotiations were done in november 2022, now its just a matter of waiting for the DoD to get the thumb out of their asses and sign a contract with KMW or HRC

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The decision to blow a number of billion dollars on what will be a primary defence system for the next 2-3 decades is probably taking some time. I expect the tests to be long done by now. Negotiations have very likely become tangled in the effects of the Ukraine war; can the Germans even deliver any time soon under current conditions? Can the SK deliver now that they are hip deep in other orders? When they do decide I expect we will hear of it exceedingly fast.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The k2 might actually be the best tank in the world currently

    >how so anon? Best armor, gun mobility?
    Maybe, but it looks the coolest which easily makes it the best.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The reason its the best is because it's cheap and available (both for purchase and tech transfer) and doesn't come with dumbass stipulations about what the purchaser can do with their tanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What Germany does isnt dumbass. It is an attempt at power influence. In the past shit like this has worked. Now it doesnt because now military equipment has a purpose again, it's not just to show how good you are at using taxpayer money. Germany tries to get leverage and are shocked that the marked won't play with their marbles any more.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The point of my post was that all attributes were irrelevant because it looks cool

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Damn K2 with extra armor looks so good.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Not like this kraut sisters.....
    Literally who is going to buy German equipment now with this export license shitshow

    The Korean technology transfer model will make Korea, Poland, and any other country that signs on much more independent and allow them to have domestically produced high quality tank forces.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the korean moronshit pavel cope chud online army appears

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neocon shill are on overdrive after Chadgermans refused to give piggies tankies

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Germans would just ban the export of their MTU engine and the L-44/L-55 guns to Korea if that happens, and see how the hooks can assemble their K2s

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and embarrass themselves further by doing what would appear as a temper tantrum?
      this is exactly why they developed their domestic versions as well iirc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The korean guns have no ties to the Rheinmetall gun outside of both being 55 caliber.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are korean tanks any good or do they just sell because you can't or dont want to buy anything western?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Performance and quality is better than anything today, really nothing is even close

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Korea is undefeated in wars against chinks and nips, chinks and nips are midgets that only rely on numbers, Koreans are physically much stronger with much higher iq, this is why Korea is still an independent country unlike japan which has lost every war it engaged in and china which is widely documented as the most genocided race in history

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty amazing how japan was always 3x+ and china 30x+ the population and still Korea mogged

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Koreans are pretty based solely for not being like the japs and chinks who like to make themselves look huwite in their animation and comics, instead protraying themselves as what they look like

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty amazing how japan was always 3x+ and china 30x+ the population and still Korea mogged

      https://i.imgur.com/vwqnesb.jpg

      Koreans are pretty based solely for not being like the japs and chinks who like to make themselves look huwite in their animation and comics, instead protraying themselves as what they look like

      Hate to break it to you, Kim, but the sole reason Korea is around today is the Japanese blunder in WW2 and the US intervention, a geopolitical fluke that has nothing to do with competence of Koreans. Korea is just an ex-Japanese colony that happened to gain independence, though becoming a lesser Japan was a great improvement and unironically the best thing ever happened to Korea, compared to a lesser China it used to be for many centuries. Korea has been raped by Japanese military so much that the Rising Sun flag, symbol of Japanese military power, literally causes PTSD in Koreans, and how can you expect us to take you seriously? lmfao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmfao nips and chinks were genocided by koreans since the beginning of history, regardless of how many gorillion soulless bugs nips and chinks have since neither relies on skill or intelligence just zergrush and why nips and chinks always take crazy amount of casualties and always lose lmfao

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This pic from rimpac 2022 sums it all up, anybody that was there knows that the south korean soldiers were all chads, bigger than us and european soldiers and far more fit, meanwhile the nips were smaller than the sudaca and pajeet soldiers lmfao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Picrel

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah im sure being tall is super useful for boarding

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The nip and the jeet in the pic would get mogged by a typical northern euro teenage girl lmfao

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tank thread
    >suHispanicions amounts of experts of the ochinchin war of 1473 with decisive bugman victory
    totally organic thread by the way, also please call your MP and recommend them to buy LG

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God bless our Chaebol overlords at Samsung giving us cancer and making us commit suicide! Korea numbah wan Joseon one!

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