just so you know, the Battle of Bakhmut has now taken just as long as the Battle of Stalingrad

just so you know, the Battle of Bakhmut has now taken just as long as the Battle of Stalingrad

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    there is literally no evidence of the latter ever happening

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Explain the density of metal fragments at Mamyev Kurgan hill then.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that hill just has a lot of steel ore
        cope more westoid

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Steel
          >ore
          Steel has ore?
          If this is an attempted troll / bait, please, for your own sake, go and touch grass for a while before plugging back into the mongolian basketweaving matrix

          If this is not a troll/ bait please, join a sport / chess club , do some drugs , pick up smoking, start doing steroids and hitting the gym, anything just get off /misc/ for a while. It is not me you will be helping it is your self

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It was a recycling center during the Russian Empire. The Tsars were really into environmentalism.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      lmao this is a wehraboo cope I’ve never heard before

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >spotted the ukraine newbie

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >wehraboo cope
        moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a PrepHole meme moron.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          a PrepHole meme riffing off that tiktok girl saying the roman empire never existed?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's more related to Wehraboos trying to deny the most obvious things of having happened in the first place. In response we not got Dresden- and Stalingrad denialism
            Except the Dresden one isn't a meme ofcourse. There isn't and never was a city named Dresden

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Uh ive been to dresden

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                no you haven't

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      how am I supposed to take /misc/tards seriously when they say shit like this?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        newbie

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but kys

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That’s the fun part, you don’t

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Result.. Russia victory
    - Destruction of Bandera
    - America colappses
    Territory changes.. Russia grabs ukraine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Result: Total Ukrainian Victory
      >-Liberation of all sovereign ukrainian territory
      >-Beginning of Russian Civil War

      FTFY

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        C-Can we have a civil war too? Just for old time's sake?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    People are saying that it's Bakhmut fricking meatgrinder and from the images coming it out I agree, but compared to Stalingrad, it's not even minutely close. This kind of makes me realize the sheer scale of WW2 battles and especially Stalingrad.
    So that makes me ask, how the frick did so many people die there, are there any good photos or videos showing the sheer magnitude of what was going on there? Are there any good accounts of how bad it got? I just want to be able to comprehend it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hiwi?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Miss these guys so much.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      encirclement and then encirclement of that encirclement

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      how the frick did the russians somehow still manage to suffer more casualties than the germans?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        IDK but it was an occupied city being fought over. That might have had something to do with it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because the soviet strategy was always to zerg rush everything until there was no enemy left so russia lost a lot more soliders. The germans actually tried to fight with a strategy so they tended to lose less, even when they lost an entire army. You will notice that the soviets also lost twice as many tanks and planes than the germans at stalingrad too, so even at a disadvantage, surrounded, and cut off from supplies the germans were still more effective fighters than the soviets but even germany still could not overcome the weight of the soviet human wave in the end.

        Following the soviet unions example, china used human wave tactics to great effect in Korea as well. "Just throw people at it until we win" has literally always been Russias battle plan, even in Ukraine.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's a shame Europe and America outnumber Russians 5 to 1

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Russians officers were pressured by Stalin into repeated disorganized attacks. Chuikov himself had a crisis of confidence.
        If you're really interested I'd recommend watching TIK History's Battlestorm Stalingrad series in Youtube. The production quality is actually insane.
        https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledi9jQeOzCUtBP2pxYdCYiXX

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Russians officers were pressured by Stalin into repeated disorganized attacks.
          Now what does that remind me of

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Kotluban offensives basically. They were the equivalent of getting red combat bubbles in Hoi4
        >inb4 Hoi4 isn't real life!11!!1

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        from the day of operation barbarossa to the end of the war the russians suffered 9000 casualties per DAY
        9000 dead/wounded per day for 4 years

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I read somewhere that, when Germany captured Ukraine, they captured the Soviet fertilizer factories, thus robbing the Soviets of the ability to make explosives, while also increasing their own capacity. Even though Germany struggled with oil and fuel, they were able to simply out-explode the Soviets with artillery barrages.
        Pic related. Despite attacking into heavily entrenched lines, outnumbered 1-to-3, the Germans STILL managed to inflict way more casualties than the Soviets.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        "send in the next wave" is not just a meme anon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I like how some nerd went out of their way to specify just how many romanian tanks were involved and how many soviet tanks were destroyed by romanians, but italy gets no such treatment.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What's even more crazy is that, scaled for population, it's not even all that bad. In general, wars have become much less deadly as technology and civilization has advanced.

      That's 12,000 casualties a day, less then half those being immediate deaths (for at least the Soviets, Axis is harder to determine because prisoners were killed). There are 10 hour battles with 3 to maybe 10 times that many killed in a day, drawing from populations a tiny fraction of that size. Pic related, not one of the very highest, but most of a 40,000 man army butchered over several hours.

      If you fought on the Eastern Front as a Russian, you still had better odds at surviving the war than not, by a solid margin. Same for all Germans who fought there. You have some wars, e.g., the First Crusade, where 65-80% of one force was dead by the end of the war.

      The Thirty Years War killed 2.5 times more Germans than both World Wars combined. The Hugonaut Wars killed 4-8 times as many French as their atrocious losses in WWI.

      By 2100, hopefully major wars so be a few thousand dead, with drone losses being how we measure scale.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, worse casualty rates aren't all from battles being more deadly in the past. Armies had to march on foot for hundreds of miles through inclement weather with no water treatment or medicine while living off forage. You'd take 20% losses just traveling.

        You'd also manage to depopulate areas so drastically because everyone was a near subsistence farmer and a harvest disruption could cause 1:20 people to drop dead or more.

        Still is wild that conflicts could drop a regions population by like 50-60+% in extreme cases.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The apex of that type of thing was in colonial wars, where you had consistent 1:10 casualty ratios, but then lost 15% of European forces every years from disease.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The Thirty Years War killed 2.5 times more Germans than both World Wars combined. The Hugonaut Wars killed 4-8 times as many French as their atrocious losses in WWI.
        How long did those last relative to the modern comparisons?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Around 30 years

          As the name imply.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >how long did the 30 years war last
          >30 years war
          Gee I dunno anon maybe 30 years

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Hundred Years War didn't last 100 years.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >uhhh acktually
              I bet you’re fun at parties

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >going to parties
                NGMI
                Partygoers become rental car center managers if they are extremely lucky, cirrhotic if not

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        To nitpick: Old wars tended to spread their casualties out among all groups, since the big killers were generally starvation and disease that followed in the wake of the armies. Modern wars disproportionately kill young men. Also in the past mortality was just higher all around - There's a statistic that only 20% of soviet men born in 1923 saw the end of the war. A blog I read broke that number down, and it turns out roughly half of them died to infant mortality, disease and famine before the war even started.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was going to say that seems moronic as a statistic. The civil war ended in 1923 and for easily a decade after the soviet union was in chaos as it tried to recover. Then the 10 years famine due to moronic soviet agricultural policies. Not just Ukraine but along the Volga, Caucuses and in Kazakhstan the famine devastated the population. Theres still no official consensus on the death figures and it can range from 1 to over 4 million.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >wow dood isn’t it liek crazy how wars have gotten much less deadly due to the advent of modern technology? We’re progressing so much as a heckin species dude!!
        Such a bugman PopSci take

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >In general, wars have become much less deadly as technology and civilization has advanced.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I guess he talks about relative numbers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >By 2100, hopefully major wars so be a few thousand dead, with drone losses being how we measure scale.
        it is the opposite. The globe in general is in a clear degeneration trend as the more advanced societies fade and the turdies go through their pop expansion phases euros went through a century and half ago. Primite mentality breed primite wars. Expect a lot of absurd butchering as marauder warbands go full Nanking on capture civvie population just because they can. Specially as certain key resources like fresh, unpolluted drinking water are critical for survival.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb moron, it absolutely could get more deadly. Just because the conflict has a small number of combatants doesn't mean it's any less deadly.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Go watch some TiK. He's got, what, a couple hundred hours of Stalingrad videos up by now?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      15 000 dead per day on average.
      Fricking hell.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Ever been to the desert? You'd hate it. You're always sweating. You think you're melting like butter. The desert is shit. Except for the stars. They're so close. You know Hans?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Great movie

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hail Zelensky
    Hail Bandera
    Frick cucktin
    Frick ziggers
    Simple As.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Hail Bandera
      (PBUH)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Hail Zelensky (jew)
      >Hail Bandera (half pole half israelite)
      the irony

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i honestly don't get the bandera butthurt

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >war lasts for several decades
    >wow look at all these people who died! (Mostly from disease lol)
    >see? war has always been deadly
    I’m just shy of a year the Ukraine -Russia war (which is not a near peer war like WW1/2) has caused hundreds of thousands of displaced civilians, and hundreds of thousands of casualties. The “modern warfare is actually less deadly!” cope is unreal

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >a quick 3 days operation
    - 1 year later -
    >Stalingrad was worse

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Achievement unlocked.
    Siege of Leningrad is the next milestone.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hot take incoming:
    Germans should've stopped at Dnieper and Crimmea and build defensive line there.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Then how the war will be won? Battle of attrition is not an option, furthermore the war with soviet is not only territorial but ideological as well

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Bakhmut
    why does wiki not include all of the western countries supporting ukraine?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      For the same reason why it doesn't include Belarus, Iran, North Korea, and other shitholes that support Russia

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >western countries supporting ukraine
      F-35 sorties when?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who was the smartass that put a colorized Paschendale photo for Bakhmut?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    when this war started, every other battle lasted as long as Grozny, now every other battle lasts as long as Stalingrad

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Rostov will last as long as Candia, cap this post

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