just so you know, the Battle of Bakhmut has now taken just as long as the Battle of Stalingrad

just so you know, the Battle of Bakhmut has now taken just as long as the Battle of Stalingrad

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there is literally no evidence of the latter ever happening

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain the density of metal fragments at Mamyev Kurgan hill then.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that hill just has a lot of steel ore
        cope more westoid

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Steel
          >ore
          Steel has ore?
          If this is an attempted troll / bait, please, for your own sake, go and touch grass for a while before plugging back into the mongolian basketweaving matrix

          If this is not a troll/ bait please, join a sport / chess club , do some drugs , pick up smoking, start doing steroids and hitting the gym, anything just get off /pol for a while. It is not me you will be helping it is your self

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was a recycling center during the Russian Empire. The Tsars were really into environmentalism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao this is a wehraboo cope I’ve never heard before

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >spotted the ukraine newfag

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wehraboo cope
        retard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a PrepHole meme retard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          a PrepHole meme riffing off that tiktok girl saying the roman empire never existed?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's more related to Wehraboos trying to deny the most obvious things of having happened in the first place. In response we not got Dresden- and Stalingrad denialism
            Except the Dresden one isn't a meme ofcourse. There isn't and never was a city named Dresden

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Uh ive been to dresden

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no you haven't

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how am I supposed to take 4chantards seriously when they say shit like this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Newfag

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but kys

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s the fun part, you don’t

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Result.. Russia victory
    - Destruction of Bandera
    - America colappses
    Territory changes.. Russia grabs ukraine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Result: Total Ukrainian Victory
      >-Liberation of all sovereign ukrainian territory
      >-Beginning of Russian Civil War

      FTFY

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        C-Can we have a civil war too? Just for old time's sake?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People are saying that it's Bakhmut fucking meatgrinder and from the images coming it out I agree, but compared to Stalingrad, it's not even minutely close. This kind of makes me realize the sheer scale of WW2 battles and especially Stalingrad.
    So that makes me ask, how the fuck did so many people die there, are there any good photos or videos showing the sheer magnitude of what was going on there? Are there any good accounts of how bad it got? I just want to be able to comprehend it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hiwi?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Miss these guys so much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      encirclement and then encirclement of that encirclement

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how the fuck did the russians somehow still manage to suffer more casualties than the germans?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IDK but it was an occupied city being fought over. That might have had something to do with it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because the soviet strategy was always to zerg rush everything until there was no enemy left so russia lost a lot more soliders. The germans actually tried to fight with a strategy so they tended to lose less, even when they lost an entire army. You will notice that the soviets also lost twice as many tanks and planes than the germans at stalingrad too, so even at a disadvantage, surrounded, and cut off from supplies the germans were still more effective fighters than the soviets but even germany still could not overcome the weight of the soviet human wave in the end.

        Following the soviet unions example, china used human wave tactics to great effect in Korea as well. "Just throw people at it until we win" has literally always been Russias battle plan, even in Ukraine.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's a shame Europe and America outnumber Russians 5 to 1

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians officers were pressured by Stalin into repeated disorganized attacks. Chuikov himself had a crisis of confidence.
        If you're really interested I'd recommend watching TIK History's Battlestorm Stalingrad series in Youtube. The production quality is actually insane.
        https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledi9jQeOzCUtBP2pxYdCYiXX

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russians officers were pressured by Stalin into repeated disorganized attacks.
          Now what does that remind me of

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Kotluban offensives basically. They were the equivalent of getting red combat bubbles in Hoi4
        >inb4 Hoi4 isn't real life!11!!1

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        from the day of operation barbarossa to the end of the war the russians suffered 9000 casualties per DAY
        9000 dead/wounded per day for 4 years

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I read somewhere that, when Germany captured Ukraine, they captured the Soviet fertilizer factories, thus robbing the Soviets of the ability to make explosives, while also increasing their own capacity. Even though Germany struggled with oil and fuel, they were able to simply out-explode the Soviets with artillery barrages.
        Pic related. Despite attacking into heavily entrenched lines, outnumbered 1-to-3, the Germans STILL managed to inflict way more casualties than the Soviets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "send in the next wave" is not just a meme anon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like how some nerd went out of their way to specify just how many romanian tanks were involved and how many soviet tanks were destroyed by romanians, but italy gets no such treatment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's even more crazy is that, scaled for population, it's not even all that bad. In general, wars have become much less deadly as technology and civilization has advanced.

      That's 12,000 casualties a day, less then half those being immediate deaths (for at least the Soviets, Axis is harder to determine because prisoners were killed). There are 10 hour battles with 3 to maybe 10 times that many killed in a day, drawing from populations a tiny fraction of that size. Pic related, not one of the very highest, but most of a 40,000 man army butchered over several hours.

      If you fought on the Eastern Front as a Russian, you still had better odds at surviving the war than not, by a solid margin. Same for all Germans who fought there. You have some wars, e.g., the First Crusade, where 65-80% of one force was dead by the end of the war.

      The Thirty Years War killed 2.5 times more Germans than both World Wars combined. The Hugonaut Wars killed 4-8 times as many French as their atrocious losses in WWI.

      By 2100, hopefully major wars so be a few thousand dead, with drone losses being how we measure scale.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, worse casualty rates aren't all from battles being more deadly in the past. Armies had to march on foot for hundreds of miles through inclement weather with no water treatment or medicine while living off forage. You'd take 20% losses just traveling.

        You'd also manage to depopulate areas so drastically because everyone was a near subsistence farmer and a harvest disruption could cause 1:20 people to drop dead or more.

        Still is wild that conflicts could drop a regions population by like 50-60+% in extreme cases.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The apex of that type of thing was in colonial wars, where you had consistent 1:10 casualty ratios, but then lost 15% of European forces every years from disease.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Thirty Years War killed 2.5 times more Germans than both World Wars combined. The Hugonaut Wars killed 4-8 times as many French as their atrocious losses in WWI.
        How long did those last relative to the modern comparisons?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Around 30 years

          As the name imply.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >how long did the 30 years war last
          >30 years war
          Gee I dunno anon maybe 30 years

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Hundred Years War didn't last 100 years.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >uhhh acktually
              I bet you’re fun at parties

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >going to parties
                NGMI
                Partygoers become rental car center managers if they are extremely lucky, cirrhotic if not

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To nitpick: Old wars tended to spread their casualties out among all groups, since the big killers were generally starvation and disease that followed in the wake of the armies. Modern wars disproportionately kill young men. Also in the past mortality was just higher all around - There's a statistic that only 20% of soviet men born in 1923 saw the end of the war. A blog I read broke that number down, and it turns out roughly half of them died to infant mortality, disease and famine before the war even started.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was going to say that seems retarded as a statistic. The civil war ended in 1923 and for easily a decade after the soviet union was in chaos as it tried to recover. Then the 10 years famine due to retarded soviet agricultural policies. Not just Ukraine but along the Volga, Caucuses and in Kazakhstan the famine devastated the population. Theres still no official consensus on the death figures and it can range from 1 to over 4 million.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wow dood isn’t it liek crazy how wars have gotten much less deadly due to the advent of modern technology? We’re progressing so much as a heckin species dude!!
        Such a bugman PopSci take

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In general, wars have become much less deadly as technology and civilization has advanced.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I guess he talks about relative numbers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >By 2100, hopefully major wars so be a few thousand dead, with drone losses being how we measure scale.
        it is the opposite. The globe in general is in a clear degeneration trend as the more advanced societies fade and the turdies go through their pop expansion phases euros went through a century and half ago. Primite mentality breed primite wars. Expect a lot of absurd butchering as marauder warbands go full Nanking on capture civvie population just because they can. Specially as certain key resources like fresh, unpolluted drinking water are critical for survival.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb retard, it absolutely could get more deadly. Just because the conflict has a small number of combatants doesn't mean it's any less deadly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go watch some TiK. He's got, what, a couple hundred hours of Stalingrad videos up by now?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      15 000 dead per day on average.
      Fucking hell.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ever been to the desert? You'd hate it. You're always sweating. You think you're melting like butter. The desert is shit. Except for the stars. They're so close. You know Hans?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Great movie

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hail Zelensky
    Hail Bandera
    Fuck cucktin
    Fuck ziggers
    Simple As.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hail Bandera
      (PBUH)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hail Zelensky (garden gnome)
      >Hail Bandera (half pole half garden gnome)
      the irony

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i honestly don't get the bandera butthurt

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >war lasts for several decades
    >wow look at all these people who died! (Mostly from disease lol)
    >see? war has always been deadly
    I’m just shy of a year the Ukraine -Russia war (which is not a near peer war like WW1/2) has caused hundreds of thousands of displaced civilians, and hundreds of thousands of casualties. The “modern warfare is actually less deadly!” cope is unreal

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a quick 3 days operation
    - 1 year later -
    >Stalingrad was worse

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Achievement unlocked.
    Siege of Leningrad is the next milestone.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hot take incoming:
    Germans should've stopped at Dnieper and Crimmea and build defensive line there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then how the war will be won? Battle of attrition is not an option, furthermore the war with soviet is not only territorial but ideological as well

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bakhmut
    why does wiki not include all of the western countries supporting ukraine?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For the same reason why it doesn't include Belarus, Iran, North Korea, and other shitholes that support Russia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >western countries supporting ukraine
      F-35 sorties when?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who was the smartass that put a colorized Paschendale photo for Bakhmut?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when this war started, every other battle lasted as long as Grozny, now every other battle lasts as long as Stalingrad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rostov will last as long as Candia, cap this post

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