Just saw zero dark thirty, why have the AQ guys been so much better at hiding themselves than the ISIS guys?

Just saw zero dark thirty, why have the AQ guys been so much better at hiding themselves than the ISIS guys? Every 2 months another isis top guy is taken out.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they where thought US tradecraft in the 80's and 90's. Also they fought the US for a couple of years when the proliferaiton of drones and generally counterinsurgency was all quite new.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because they where thought US tradecraft in the 80's and 90's.
      Most of Mujahedeen were trained by Pakis with the US just providing arms. Not to mention that the Mujahedeen was a term to refer to anyone fighting the Soviets with various different groups competing for power.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not to mention the fact that,
        despite the popular belief to the contrary, it was Pakistan’s ISI, and not the CIA, who
        provided all of the in-field training for the mujahedeen.

        (Whose Monster? A Study in the Rise to Power of al Qaeda and the Taliban, 2018)

        Damn guess your right

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because they where thought US tradecraft in the 80's and 90's.
          Most of Mujahedeen were trained by Pakis with the US just providing arms. Not to mention that the Mujahedeen was a term to refer to anyone fighting the Soviets with various different groups competing for power.

          https://i.imgur.com/5o8XQch.jpg

          Because they where thought US tradecraft in the 80's and 90's. Also they fought the US for a couple of years when the proliferaiton of drones and generally counterinsurgency was all quite new.

          To add to it since the image is of Bin Laden. The Arab Mujahideen did not recieve anything from the U.S. (funding, equipment or training). They were self funded/supplied from the Arab countries. Despite the article and Bin Laden's own B.S. the guy was more of a fund raiser than a combatant in that war.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        To add to it since the image is of Bin Laden. The Arab Mujahideen did not recieve anything from the U.S. (funding, equipment or training). They were self funded/supplied from the Arab countries. Despite the article and Bin Laden's own B.S. the guy was more of a fund raiser than a combatant in that war.

        Read "The Other Side of the Mountain" by Lester Grau. The indigenous Muj fucking hated the Afghan Arabs, seeing them as tourists and primadonnas more concerned with taking videos than actually fighting.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we knew Obama Sin Laden was in Pakistan for years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we knew Obama Sin Laden was in Pakistan for years
      The head of the delta force team in Afghanistan stated OBL was allowed to escape into Pakistan. This was big new 15-20 years ago. OBL was trapped in Tora Bora, the US forces were calling in endless bomber strikes wiping out hundreds of Talibs, but delta force and the rest were not allowed to get OBL. A halt was called and corridor was created so OBL and his top advisers could escape into Pakistan. US always knew where "OBL", OBL was chip to be played at a time determined by the US, no matter who was playing the role.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was in Anaconda working with the 10th from TF KA-BAR. On the ground, no one believed Osama was anywhere around.

        We mostly just fought what would be called the Taliban, not Al-Q.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because AQ is helped by Pakistan intelligence services. No body helps ISIS (except maybe Isreal teehee).

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy, being this uninformed in the current year.

    The Afghan was actually far more illegal than the Russian invasion in Ukraine. Lets stick to the propaganda:

    >Saudi Nationals hijack planes and commit murder in something like 3.000 cases
    >mastermind is supposed to be Saudi National vacationing in different countries
    >Haha, Afghanistan, you fucked. Saudi National visited your country. We will bomb the shit out of you.
    >Excuse me, what? Please provide evidence.
    >lmao you want evidence? Passports fell from plane lol
    >Extremely legal to start an invasion of a sovereign nation because some criminal from another country spends his holidays there.
    >Still OBL the hunt for OBL is cited as the reason for an invasion. As long as he is alive the occupation is justified lmao
    >OBL gets apprehended by ISI somewhere around 2003 - 2005, kept in custody on American orders.
    >OBL is placed in a prison(!) A fucking prison. He is held there until his murder without trail in 2011.
    >O'moron decides to off him to secure his re-election.
    >sea burial because its super islamic lmao my dudes
    >O'moron re-elected. Keeps the war going because by this point 30% of the American economy is relying on forever wars.

    Right course of action would have been to sign an international warrant after providing evidence to a judge and interpol that OBL is behind 9/11. You know, rules based order and such nonsense. Yes, murder in 3.000 cases is still murder. Everything else was just as illegal as it gets. There is simply no justification to invade another country based on nothing but accusations of hosting someone you dont like. But hey, the Americans learned and invaded Iraq by straight up lying about the reasons. Everyone knew, but rules based order etc. Germany had better reasons to fuck up Poland.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is supposed to be Saudi National vacationing in different countries
      >>Haha, Afghanistan, you fucked. Saudi National visited your country. We will bomb the shit out of you.
      Are you fucking high or just retarded?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a piss-pants vatnik

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's literally what happened. The idea that you are allowed to invade any country because a terrorist spends his holidays there is ridiculous. It's a testament to the power of propaganda that people have gobbled this dumb shit up and actually believe it's an argument for invading a country.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, we WANTED to bomb Afghanistan because they harbor terrorists. We are ALLOWED to bomb Afghanistan because no one stopped us or even tried. There is a difference.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because they harbor terrorists.

            Amazing that people still believe this shit. The US administration was adamant to bomb Iraq right after 9/11. They tried real hard to establish a connection between the Iraqi government and OBL . Its funny how they just sent another firmware update down the propaganda channels and bam, it was no longer Iraq but Afghanistan and it was no longer a government supporting OBL but a government not caring that a foreign national stayed in their country. Shit, OBL probably had a legal visa.

            >we knew Obama Sin Laden was in Pakistan for years
            The head of the delta force team in Afghanistan stated OBL was allowed to escape into Pakistan. This was big new 15-20 years ago. OBL was trapped in Tora Bora, the US forces were calling in endless bomber strikes wiping out hundreds of Talibs, but delta force and the rest were not allowed to get OBL. A halt was called and corridor was created so OBL and his top advisers could escape into Pakistan. US always knew where "OBL", OBL was chip to be played at a time determined by the US, no matter who was playing the role.

            > OBL was trapped in Tora Bora, the US forces were calling in endless bomber strikes wiping out hundreds of Talibs

            Unreal what propaganda is able to establish in the NPC mind. Everything about this is falsified. Tora Bora never existed as a super fortress. OBL never had a "hideout". He just spent time in Afghanistan like any other vacationing person would. He also never had a structured terror organisation like every Bond villain did. You were sold pure shit by the same people that told you the flu is big bad 20 years later.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        There was never any evidence that Osama was actual mastermind behind 9/11.
        On the other hand was plenty of evidence who where actual 911 terrorists (Saudi Nationals mostly), and where they got their education (EU). Where are invasions into SA and EU?
        CIA and Saudis played you like a fiddle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MEDS NOW

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Afghan was actually far more illegal than the Russian invasion in Ukraine
      stopped reading right here
      stick to telling the china story as well as you can chang

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At least Russia can claim some ethic mystery meat got some heat from the Ukraine or some shit. All the US was able to claim is that Osama spent his summer holiday in Afghanistan. They never even charged him, they never had a warrant, no judge would have ever convicted him if brought in front of a court. I am not talking about how you feel after the brainwashing US propaganda did on you after 9/11. I am talking about hard evidence. It was never provided to the public, it was never provided to any court. Extra judicial killings are just as illegal as invasions of foreign nations.

        Remember, right after 9/11 the US tried hard tying Osama to Saddam. Unable to make that shit stick they just changed the story from no connection to Iraq at all to omg he stayed in Afghanistan for 3 weeks, better invade.

        Most people here were probably teens when this happened. Easily impressionable you gobbled that shit up like Germans sucked down holocaust propaganda starting to believe in holocausters, lampshades made of skin, masturbation machines and the famous 6 millions. Kek, I hope no one ever brings up the numbers the Russians came up. What was it, something like 27 million dead?

        Germany invaded Russia on June 22, 1941. Lets say they managed to just kill at max rate for 4 years, until the war ended.

        >Every year has 365 days, so 1460 days in total.
        >Divide 27 mio by 1460
        >The germans killed 18.493 russians every day of the war.
        >lmao at these numbers. Every hour the Germans killed close to a thousand ruskies?

        You morons have been lied to so much, you forgot basic math.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All the US was able to claim is that Osama spent his summer holiday in Afghanistan.
          Dont forget where 911 ACTUAL perpetrators spent their time and where they got their education: EU, Germany, France etc...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At least Russia can claim some ethic mystery meat got some heat from the Ukraine or some shit. All the US was able to claim is that Osama spent his summer holiday in Afghanistan. They never even charged him, they never had a warrant, no judge would have ever convicted him if brought in front of a court. I am not talking about how you feel after the brainwashing US propaganda did on you after 9/11. I am talking about hard evidence. It was never provided to the public, it was never provided to any court. Extra judicial killings are just as illegal as invasions of foreign nations.

      Remember, right after 9/11 the US tried hard tying Osama to Saddam. Unable to make that shit stick they just changed the story from no connection to Iraq at all to omg he stayed in Afghanistan for 3 weeks, better invade.

      Most people here were probably teens when this happened. Easily impressionable you gobbled that shit up like Germans sucked down holocaust propaganda starting to believe in holocausters, lampshades made of skin, masturbation machines and the famous 6 millions. Kek, I hope no one ever brings up the numbers the Russians came up. What was it, something like 27 million dead?

      Germany invaded Russia on June 22, 1941. Lets say they managed to just kill at max rate for 4 years, until the war ended.

      >Every year has 365 days, so 1460 days in total.
      >Divide 27 mio by 1460
      >The germans killed 18.493 russians every day of the war.
      >lmao at these numbers. Every hour the Germans killed close to a thousand ruskies?

      You morons have been lied to so much, you forgot basic math.

      >shizo posting
      oof, i hope you get better buddy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      International warrants don't exist.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >International warrants don't exist.
        >t. Puteen

        https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

        How is the BRIC conference going in Africa BTW?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being you looks genuinely frustrating. What kind of quality of life do you have?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IS is ideologically a wannabe state (and an actual unrecognized state depending on the ebb and flow of their endeavors), this makes their personnel a lot more visible than Al Qaeda's.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IS tend to be less covert because they wanted to be seen as a "real" cuntry and the high ranking figures wanted to be seen as "real" statesmen

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OBL is a concept, a construct, used to further an agenda. He's here, he's there, he's alive, he's dead. All of these stories changed over the years and the videos showed different people playing the role. CIA even admitted to making some of the videos, the vids were that bad. If you believe the movie, you believe the current phase of the operation, the current story. If you are a bit older and have been paying attention for the last 25 to 30 years you know what I am talking about. Decades ago the media used to do actual investigative research and reporting and call out when the CIA ran the BCCI bank in Pakistan linked to drugs, money laundering, terror financing. Over the years these pesky reports were a taken care of by having the media companies be bought out and merged and implement controls so only approved questions are asked and approved responses given. You are not watching news, reading real life accounts, you are reading and watching propaganda. Carl Rove even stated to the media they are only reporting on the reality they created and while you are trying to understand that reality they have created a new reality.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    isis is an insurgent rebel group trying to carve a nation

    AQ is a terrorist group proper doing more covert ops shit

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