It’s fun. I love mine just for plinking once in a while. Never had any issues. Remember to only shoot the proper 22 through it and none of the lead cheap shit.
No issues with lead ammo, just blow like 2 or 3 rounds 5.56 at the end if range day.
My understanding is it's shit >AR rifle twist is off for a 22LR
Like pissing in the wind.
Better off with a dedicated 22LR upper.
Add a PSA AR complete lower is $150 for a upper/lower set.
Yes and no but its definitely not shit and you shouldnt be so quick and loud if youre completely ignorant and have 0 experience. 22plinkster has a video on it and it works for inside 100 yards.
Kriss (thats right, the vector people) make some decent ones that are sized like standard straight 20 round mags that work fine with the cmmg kits.
They come in ten and fifteen round capacities.
They also make larger 25 or 30 rounders too.
Those are still ugly. The Black Dog Machine 10/15 round magazines are A E S T H E T I C
https://cdn3.volusion.com/hnmuk.qprpf/v/vspfiles/photos/BDM-SW-SS-4.jpg?v-cache=1654806540
The Black Dog mags look nice but their reliability is questionable. I bought 10 of them a few years back, three were jam-o-matic pieces of garbage right out of the box. Black Dog did replace them ASAP so I can't fault their customer service but their product ain't the greatest.
Metal. The feed lips weren't the issue though. The issue was that the central channel that the rounds fit inside was too wide. Therefore instead of the rounds being in a nice straight stack they started to bunch up in a zig-zag sort of arrangement halfway down the mag.
To be fair, I should have called this a QC problem not a reliability problem. Those affected mags were clearly not working right the very first time I tried to load them. The other mags, and the replacements I received for the bad ones, have been reliable for years of shooting.
You just need high velocity rounds. I think 36gr. high velocity copper projectiles, either fmj or hollow point work best. They clean extremely easily. The extractor is small and easy to damage, if you try to mortar a FTE you will damage the extractor. If a fte happens WITH EXTREME CAUTION remove the entire assembly if possible and ease the spent cartridge out of the assembly. When it starts to jam, it's time to clean it. They work in any barrel length, including 20" barrels.
For best results, when done with firing .22lr for the day, remove the assembly and fire a standard 5.56 or .223 round to blow the fowling out of your gas system. Keep the rubber cap over the chamber piece thing like how it arrives when not in use. Don't drop it. Order like 5 extractors for it.
They are fun as fuck. Getting a dedicated .22lr AR is kinda dumb when you really should have something like a Ruger 10/22 on hand.
Accuracy is pretty good at 25 yards. Just use hold over instead of messing with your zero unless you want a dedicated optic for it, but that's just more money.
You just need high velocity rounds. I think 36gr. high velocity copper projectiles, either fmj or hollow point work best. They clean extremely easily. The extractor is small and easy to damage, if you try to mortar a FTE you will damage the extractor. If a fte happens WITH EXTREME CAUTION remove the entire assembly if possible and ease the spent cartridge out of the assembly. When it starts to jam, it's time to clean it. They work in any barrel length, including 20" barrels.
For best results, when done with firing .22lr for the day, remove the assembly and fire a standard 5.56 or .223 round to blow the fowling out of your gas system. Keep the rubber cap over the chamber piece thing like how it arrives when not in use. Don't drop it. Order like 5 extractors for it.
They are fun as fuck. Getting a dedicated .22lr AR is kinda dumb when you really should have something like a Ruger 10/22 on hand.
this guy is correct. listen to him. though I shoot CCI mini mag 40 gr and mine functions pretty well
your ar15 barrel twist isn't ideal but for plinking their fantastic and well worth the money. just be sure to clean your rifle well after shooting it since 22lr is dirty
if you want to plink within 50 yards it will work. the problem is that the 1:7 twist is way too aggressive for the 36 grain projectile. it prefers a twist of around 1:16. the result is while the bullet is accurate to 50 yards past that it will keyhole and have a wide spread.
so I see it as having two purposes, a weapon of desperation and a plinker.
suggested manual of arms for HD: >keep loaded. >magazine carries 25rds >keep three. >mag dump that bastard. >probably will get him in about 5 shots, have 75 ready to go. >equates to about 3-15 controlled bursts of idiocy to blast his ass. >.22lr is pretty good about not over penetrating.
only problem is cmmg only offers the 25rd (10 rd)
so don't expect to buy a super light trigger and bump fire a storm of bees.
Yes, friend of mine has had one for ~10 years, very few malfunctions. I bought one a year ago, did an Appleseed course with it and have plinked with it here and there, haven't had a single issue from my grab-bag of 22LR
I don't care for the drop-in conversion kits, the .223 barrel is the wrong twist rate for .22LR. But the similar dedicated upper conversion is fun as hell, I love it.
>223 barrel is the wrong twist rate
Depends on your barrel, longer twist is better for lighter rounds. I shoot mine through my 1:9 barrel and it works fine, but I haven't used it beyond 50y
Honestly a dedicated 22LR is better, this is a compromise that is only good for training with your AR on the cheap. If you don't specifically need your AR then get a 10/22. I bought it for Appleseed, and it worked plenty well there; accurate and reliable.
On a side-note, Appleseed is nice, but they need to reanalyze their class a bit, they structure it around the 10/22 and the Garand, but that form factor is antiquated, as much as I love them.
If you want Americans to be proficient riflemen, you should teach them how to do so on the most prevalent American rifle.
Great for sounding.
decent for learning just how good you are at cleaning your rifle
It’s fun. I love mine just for plinking once in a while. Never had any issues. Remember to only shoot the proper 22 through it and none of the lead cheap shit.
No issues with lead ammo, just blow like 2 or 3 rounds 5.56 at the end if range day.
Yes and no but its definitely not shit and you shouldnt be so quick and loud if youre completely ignorant and have 0 experience. 22plinkster has a video on it and it works for inside 100 yards.
My understanding is it's shit
>AR rifle twist is off for a 22LR
Like pissing in the wind.
Better off with a dedicated 22LR upper.
Add a PSA AR complete lower is $150 for a upper/lower set.
New style magazines are ghay
super ghay
Kriss (thats right, the vector people) make some decent ones that are sized like standard straight 20 round mags that work fine with the cmmg kits.
They come in ten and fifteen round capacities.
They also make larger 25 or 30 rounders too.
Those are still ugly. The Black Dog Machine 10/15 round magazines are A E S T H E T I C
https://cdn3.volusion.com/hnmuk.qprpf/v/vspfiles/photos/BDM-SW-SS-4.jpg?v-cache=1654806540
The Black Dog mags look nice but their reliability is questionable. I bought 10 of them a few years back, three were jam-o-matic pieces of garbage right out of the box. Black Dog did replace them ASAP so I can't fault their customer service but their product ain't the greatest.
Did you get the ones with plastic or metal feed lips? I have several of the metal feed lip ones and they're 100% reliable
Metal. The feed lips weren't the issue though. The issue was that the central channel that the rounds fit inside was too wide. Therefore instead of the rounds being in a nice straight stack they started to bunch up in a zig-zag sort of arrangement halfway down the mag.
To be fair, I should have called this a QC problem not a reliability problem. Those affected mags were clearly not working right the very first time I tried to load them. The other mags, and the replacements I received for the bad ones, have been reliable for years of shooting.
You just need high velocity rounds. I think 36gr. high velocity copper projectiles, either fmj or hollow point work best. They clean extremely easily. The extractor is small and easy to damage, if you try to mortar a FTE you will damage the extractor. If a fte happens WITH EXTREME CAUTION remove the entire assembly if possible and ease the spent cartridge out of the assembly. When it starts to jam, it's time to clean it. They work in any barrel length, including 20" barrels.
For best results, when done with firing .22lr for the day, remove the assembly and fire a standard 5.56 or .223 round to blow the fowling out of your gas system. Keep the rubber cap over the chamber piece thing like how it arrives when not in use. Don't drop it. Order like 5 extractors for it.
They are fun as fuck. Getting a dedicated .22lr AR is kinda dumb when you really should have something like a Ruger 10/22 on hand.
Edit: High Velocity CCI will work. 36gr is the best.
No you dont. Bulk anything works fine.
Accuracy is pretty good at 25 yards. Just use hold over instead of messing with your zero unless you want a dedicated optic for it, but that's just more money.
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They also sell little cases for them. Binary triggers wont work unless you get the auto conversion.
>Binary triggers wont work
False. I got a BFSIII and the same conversion kit and it runs in binary mode just fine
fake and gay. franklin armory works just fine
this guy is correct. listen to him. though I shoot CCI mini mag 40 gr and mine functions pretty well
your ar15 barrel twist isn't ideal but for plinking their fantastic and well worth the money. just be sure to clean your rifle well after shooting it since 22lr is dirty
Don't do it. Mustard gas. 4/10
if you want to plink within 50 yards it will work. the problem is that the 1:7 twist is way too aggressive for the 36 grain projectile. it prefers a twist of around 1:16. the result is while the bullet is accurate to 50 yards past that it will keyhole and have a wide spread.
so I see it as having two purposes, a weapon of desperation and a plinker.
suggested manual of arms for HD:
>keep loaded.
>magazine carries 25rds
>keep three.
>mag dump that bastard.
>probably will get him in about 5 shots, have 75 ready to go.
>equates to about 3-15 controlled bursts of idiocy to blast his ass.
>.22lr is pretty good about not over penetrating.
only problem is cmmg only offers the 25rd (10 rd)
so don't expect to buy a super light trigger and bump fire a storm of bees.
Yes, friend of mine has had one for ~10 years, very few malfunctions. I bought one a year ago, did an Appleseed course with it and have plinked with it here and there, haven't had a single issue from my grab-bag of 22LR
I don't care for the drop-in conversion kits, the .223 barrel is the wrong twist rate for .22LR. But the similar dedicated upper conversion is fun as hell, I love it.
>223 barrel is the wrong twist rate
Depends on your barrel, longer twist is better for lighter rounds. I shoot mine through my 1:9 barrel and it works fine, but I haven't used it beyond 50y
Honestly a dedicated 22LR is better, this is a compromise that is only good for training with your AR on the cheap. If you don't specifically need your AR then get a 10/22. I bought it for Appleseed, and it worked plenty well there; accurate and reliable.
On a side-note, Appleseed is nice, but they need to reanalyze their class a bit, they structure it around the 10/22 and the Garand, but that form factor is antiquated, as much as I love them.
If you want Americans to be proficient riflemen, you should teach them how to do so on the most prevalent American rifle.