Just admit it, the US army adopting the XM7 rifle is a GOOD thing.

Just admit it, the US Army adopting the XM7 rifle is a GOOD thing.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's A thing. Whether it's good or bad remains to be seen

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The M250 is a good thing. The XM7 is an experiment to see if they can make a universal cartridge work, or else they have to figure out what they're going to do with the M240.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Reject modernity
    >Return to tradition

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      embrace tradition

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Alas, fusiliers no longer fire fusiles.

  4. 1 week ago
    sage

    I like it regardless. Shit is sexy I'm not sorry makes me think of the MX series from ARMA

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    But why is it a good thing?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      less effective

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      because it just is, ok chud?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Hot dogshit. Maybe it will tarnish Sig's reputation. At the very least they will need to spend more money bribing the military for procurement.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    "Compared to the M4A1 carbine weighing 6.34 lb (2.88 kg) unsuppressed, with a basic combat load of 210 rounds in seven 30-round magazines, in total weighing 7.4 lb (3.4 kg), the XM7 rifle weighs about 2 lb (0.91 kg) more and each soldier carries roughly a 4 lb (1.8 kg) heavier load with 70 fewer rounds.[3][19]"

    Oooof, more weight and less ammo a good thing though? Ripped from wiki of course

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >double spacing
      If you're going to use a translator, maybe try to hide it Rajesh.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        anyone who disagrees with you is brown now?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >m4 weighed without optic/peq/sling/etc. vs XM7 weighed with all of it
      lol

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Do you actually think that's the weight of the XM7 with everything? Are you moronic?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You know the weight isn't excessive per se, but that's a really front heavy b***h and it's not like ARs are well balanced to begin with.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I mean it's already going to outweigh a loaded M-14 and I wouldn't enjoy doing long rucks with that. The LPVO alone is supposed to be ~2lbs

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You're never going to enjoy it, but weight closer to the body is significantly less of a ballache.
              I foresee these Black folk being slung at every possible opportunity.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >XM7 weighed with all of it
        you're an idiot, 9.3lbs is the base rifle with the mandatory suppressor, nothing else. not even an unloaded mag. with the loaded mag at 1.5 pounds and the brick of an optic at around 2 pounds, you're looking at a 13 pound boat anchor that weighs as much as a fricking RPK w/ 40round steel mag

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    For now, until we actually go to war again, then it's back to the M16
    Juat like all those countries that used to use G3's until they actually sent some guys to Afghanistan

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If the acog turned the marines into DMRs just imagine what a aimbot lpvo on a battle rifle would turn a soldier into...
    I will pray for the opps who gets domed 2000m away before they can even start a firefight with their varmint rifles kek

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The sight on the rifle supposedly does have an aimbot mode. Essentially you pull the trigger and the rifle fires on its own when it will hit the target.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >aimbot lpvo

      The sight on the rifle supposedly does have an aimbot mode. Essentially you pull the trigger and the rifle fires on its own when it will hit the target.

      >aimbot mode
      Where did this bullshit even come from and why does it constantly get repeated? It's like some kind of nu-fuddlore.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Midwits thinking an auto-BDC is newfangled push-to-win wizardly and not something that's been around for over a decade and just makes ranging a bit easier

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Some moronic IDF tracking scope osmosis that's seeped into the NGSW convo relatively recently (on /k/ at least).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Kiddo if you think your typical ground-pounder would be able to consistently nail a target at 1800y and beyond even if there was some actual magic aimbot scope (which this isn't) then you've clearly never actually interacted with them. Why the frick would we even be shooting at those ranges, just call in literally anything that explodes and that will take care of the problem much, MUCH more reliably.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >is a GOOD thing.
    All of SOCOM choosing the LT and URGI, only units getting it are Airborne and Infantry.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Every fricking minute of infantry combat in Ukraine proves otherwise.
    The M7 is going to end up a substitute standard rifle with less than 50k in service, and end up on DMR duty as the KAC M110/M110A2/SR-25 and the H&K M110A1 weren't produced in enough numbers to actually fully replace the M14 EBR.
    At best 6.8x51 replaces 7.62 NATO, the M240's get a new barrel and bolt, the M250 fills the role the Mk 48 filled, and we'll end up with a new 5.56 LMG either way - Belt or magazine fed. If we even bother to actually retire the SAW as there's several thousand SAW's and Mk46 in inventory that are under 20 years old

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >6.8x51
      It's also not a NATO caliber

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is able to sustain themselves with 7.62x54r and 5.45x39 why couldn't America do the same with 6.8x51?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Because we barely produce 6.8 compared to the metric ton of 5.56/.223 and 7.62x51/308

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            homie russia are the only one who makes their own boolets and they're able to sustain themselves in a full scale war. NATO was created so the yuropoors can survive under the shadow of America

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yet

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yet

        And it probably won't be anytime soon, there's not enough of a performance jump over 7.62x51.
        A 6.5 Grendel or equivalent intermediate cartridge would be the only one that has a snowballs chance in hell in replacing 5.56x45.
        The average west euro country has 70 years worth of 7.62 NATO stockpiled

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >The average west euro country has 70 years worth of 7.62 NATO stockpiled
          No it doesn't. Regular drilling and selling of surplus stocks are a thing. You think the line goes up forever and depos keep continually being built as well as the support staff to maintain it? moronic.

          In reality western nations sold, scrapped, and reduced most of the cold war stocks with the collapse of the USSR. Anyone whose been in the hobby has been shooting German, Greek, Austrian, etc 7.62 for decades before it dried up.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Every fricking minute of infantry combat in Ukraine proves otherwise.

      must be why a lot of them were switching to FALs, because the combat is so close lol.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They found out quick when conscripts with mosins were actually wrecking their shits lmao

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What a moronic opinion

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Black person they aren't "switching to FALs", they were given FALs and they're using them. Hence why they're exclusively used by territorial units and internationals, the good modern shit goes to frontline units.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The army signed a contract for 120,000 rifles. They’re going to purchase more than 50,000.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        contracts get rewritten all the time

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm fine with the XM250. It's the Rifle that's questionable. I think they should have chosen the bullpup if they wanted the both.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It should have been the Textron tbh

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      robinson arms killed them off

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and it's the greatest tragedy of our generation. Over a stupid fricking patent

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Legal bullshit killing innovation when the whole purpose of the patent system was to foster scientific progress and innovation makes my blood boil.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Intellectual "property" is the fakest, gayest component of our legal system. How the frick is a patent property? It's information. You can't take hold of it or possess it and it's infinitely replicable.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and it's the greatest tragedy of our generation. Over a stupid fricking patent

        qrd? I can't find anything about Robinson and Textron.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and it's the greatest tragedy of our generation. Over a stupid fricking patent

        Jesse, what the frick are you talking about?

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We should've split the difference and went with a 6mm Optimum. A rifle that's only slighty heavier than a M4A1 but would still have the same capacity. Also do away with suppressors for regular infantry

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >We should've split the difference and went with a 6mm Optimum. Frick 6mm. Why do you even want 6mm caliber?
      Make 5.56 Super (reverse compatible with 5.56)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >We should've split the difference and went with a 6mm Optimum. Frick 6mm. Why do you even want 6mm caliber?
      Make 5.56 Super (reverse compatible with 5.56)

      FN's new platform seems like the winner of things that exist. Basically purpose built 6.5grendel.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I've said it before, but I'm convinced that it will win out in the end in a spiritual repeat of the M16 vs M14. The FN 6.8 rifle was created for some joint trail between some Socom unit and Canadian SOF, so I suspect while big army adopts the XM7, SOF will partially adopt the FN thing; and that will get its foot in the door for other branches to adopt it, just like happened with the USAF adopting the M16. Just seems like if you really need a 6.X gun in your arsenal, the FN rifle is a much more practical weapon since it wasn't constrained by the gay and moronic 11th hour stipulations of NGSW.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          its not 6.8 its 6.5.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The IWS is a fully-ambi piston gun rather than using direct gas impingement like the M4 series.

        gaaaaaay

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The only people who like blatant corruption in the US are israelites and Russians.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Them making a NGRRR was a good thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why does the military industrial complex keep creating more and more NGRRRs?
      They are obsessed with manufacturing and importing as many as possible.
      Kinda feel like my government doesn’t value me very much.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >They are obsessed with manufacturing and importing as many as possible.
        Great ammunition replacement theory when?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Which one is the hard one? Are we going to have to call them NGRRAs?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Are we going to have to call them NGRRAs?
        Nah man, we invented the term. We shouldn't let those thieves appropriate our term.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >newly designed equipment is more expensive than equipment that's been in use for over 60 years

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        I don't care that its more expensive, I just saw the name and realized that the US military snuck a based name past congress.

        American culture is centered around NGRRRs

        Now we are prepared for the foreign ones.

        https://i.imgur.com/1MIIxET.gif

        >NGRRR *Next Generation REUDUCED
        >REUDUCED
        >RE
        >moron
        This gun and anon is moronic.

        I didn't make the infographic you snowflake. I just added a red square and you still were too dumb to see what was being referenced.

        It's a good thing as far as getting more guns chambered in .277 Fury on the market goes because that's a beast of a round ballistically. We just need to wait a bit longer for Krauts to work their roller-delayed German Space Magic and come out with their own gun chambered for the round.

        >a beast of a round
        The stuff being sold to civilians is only 60K PSI as opposed to the military's 80K PSI. Its unfortunate but we have no access to this supposed beast.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The stuff being sold to civilians is only 60K PSI as opposed to the military's 80K PSI
          You can buy 70k ammo and the military ammo is only 70k now because the Army decided that their power requirement wasn't actually a requirement after making the other two competitors jump through hoops to meet it without using full moron 3-piece hybrid cases that cost $1.50 each to make.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      American culture is centered around NGRRRs

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >NGRRR *Next Generation REUDUCED
      >REUDUCED
      >RE
      >moron
      This gun and anon is moronic.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >3.3% cheaper
      Why though? It will cost more to stock an additional cartridge than it saves, and the justification of needing it for use at existing shooting ranges seems like kind of a meme. Why adopt a long range weapon system for mUh OvErMaTcH and then only train under 300 yards?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Because that's the round Pte. Destiny Hank "Twinkletoes" Sanchez-Liebowitz III can actually shoot.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A good thing for everyone else, we get to learn from America's mistake

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    what makes it good?

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This thing wasn't meant to go up against russians or Chinese. It's meant to go up against you and your plates when they start to go house to house pulling weapons.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why are bullpup gays so eternally booty butt cheeks assblasted?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >4 references to butts in a single sentence
      My dear anon, are you a Russian by any chance?

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    would it have been better if they adopted an INTEGRALLY suppressed rifle instead?
    I mean, if suppressors are going to be standard issued, why not?

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How long do we give it before the next cope configuration?

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Post its groups and there will be an end to the horror

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    have they demonstrated the targeting system yet?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >private LA-A, pronounced "LADASHA"
      >pulls trigger
      >lines up the dot in the circle in reticle
      >fires automatically once aligned properly
      >lands a 1200 meter shot and all she needs to know how to do is play a little game of lining up the circles

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >1200 m
        Let's be real here, they're hoping for 500 and will realistically achieve 300 like usual. It's a crutch for morons and at long distance a ballistic computer isn't helping with the thing that'll actually make you miss, the wind.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > a ballistic computer isn't helping with the thing that'll actually make you miss, the wind.
          Christ this, it's always funny when you see midwits swear that a BDC is going to turn every window-licking grunt into a sniper popping grapes at 600m+, because you automatically know they've never even seen a range that goes further than 200.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          best part is that we've had moron-proof etched BDCs for decades already

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not with the new and improved morons.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        lol the scope is nowhere near that advanced. It's just an LPVO with a laser rangefinder that lights up holdover marks.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          dude, that shit already exist and it's in use in the IDF for at least 10 years, it's just a holographic sight with a motor mounted on the trigger and once aligned with the target the gun fire.
          they can totally include that function in the scope but as

          >1200 m
          Let's be real here, they're hoping for 500 and will realistically achieve 300 like usual. It's a crutch for morons and at long distance a ballistic computer isn't helping with the thing that'll actually make you miss, the wind.

          said it will have a limited range

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's fine but it's not what the NGSW optic is. This has been known for a very long time.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    heavier and shittier m14 = GOOD

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    everyone talks about weight but it's suddenly ok when it's a 9.5b 5.56 rifle KEK

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone agrees the M27 is a millstone, its just not going anywhere so there's nothing to discuss.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They did come out with the recon it for the M27, seen it here and there at a few select units. Practically speaking I think the M27 is wasted on the infantry, the second they can’t hit something it’s “the gear they gave me is bad :(“ Very few guys seem to be able to consistently hit things at +300m out even with the new LPVO, though as one anon pointed out that might just be due to barely anyone knowing how to shoot with the wind.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The M4 + ACOG + PEQ (depending on model) + Surefire + mag comes out to a little over 10 pounds. M7 comes out to about 13 with the same shit and a suppressor.

      They did come out with the recon it for the M27, seen it here and there at a few select units. Practically speaking I think the M27 is wasted on the infantry, the second they can’t hit something it’s “the gear they gave me is bad :(“ Very few guys seem to be able to consistently hit things at +300m out even with the new LPVO, though as one anon pointed out that might just be due to barely anyone knowing how to shoot with the wind.

      Does the Marine Corps actually suck at shooting this much? My regular ass 11B light infantry company was shredding silhouettes at 300m to 600m with ACOGs when we went for a long KD range last year.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The Marine corps love getting in too close from what I heard.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The M4 also has an unnecessary heavy barrel due to a technical analysis frickup.

        https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/government-profile-barrel/

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I like the looks but I think only the XM250 is actually worth it.
    6.8 is an interesting cartridge and idea.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >only the XM250 is actually worth it
      It's a machinegun chambered for a pissin hot short magnum round, always has a suppressor mounted, and specifically cannot have the barrel changed in the field because they don't want to deal with issuing and tracking pricey cans with every spare barrel. Good luck with that.

  28. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good thing as far as getting more guns chambered in .277 Fury on the market goes because that's a beast of a round ballistically. We just need to wait a bit longer for Krauts to work their roller-delayed German Space Magic and come out with their own gun chambered for the round.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >a beast of a round ballistically
      It really isn't, it's meant to make use of a short barrel by having a moronicly high pressure to roughly produce the effect of a .300 magnum out of a sane barrel length. It's a compromise cartridge with a niche use-case that's being shoehorned into a standard issue service role.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        140 Grains at 3,000 ft/s out of a 16-inch barrel is insane. This is shit that could only be acheived with ungodly chamber pressures and modern manufacturing. That's over 1,000 ft/lbs of energy higher than 5.56 out of a 20-inch barrel

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >140 Grains at 3,000 ft/s out of a 16-inch barrel is insane.
          .270 WSM has done that for 20+ years now. The Sig round is just a little bit smaller so they boosted the pressure to compensate for the loss of internal volume.

  29. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    the thing is that it's mot an improvement, it's just a different gun.
    a REAL improvement would be increased range and reduced weight with no drawbacks.
    this is simply an alternative type of rifle. it has greater range but it's much heavier and harder to control.

    a true upgrade would be the FN LICC. same weight, far more effective round and a superior FNC-derived action.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna lick the LICC. New FN unobtainium for me to lust over, fricking waffle Black folk.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >this is simply an alternative type of rifle. it has greater range but it's much heavier and harder to control.
      the kicker is the dramatically reduced combat loadoat that still weighs quite a bit more than what came before it. also it's looking like they're making the standard loadout not 6+1, as was the case with the M5, but 5+1...with 20 rounds mags. so....yeah.

  30. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    at least its not a bullpup

  31. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >all these AR15 fanboys seething
    lol

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >ctrl + f "firepower"
      >0 results

      naturally /k/ is full of seething morons who think more firepower = bad

      >SAAAAR YUO MUST ADOPT NEW GUN BLOODY BASTARD BENCHOD

  32. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Battlerifle boomers need to be put down

  33. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl + f "firepower"
    >0 results

    naturally /k/ is full of seething morons who think more firepower = bad

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      nu-/k/iddies will rant and rave about how battle rifles and general DMR platforms are dead as a concept even though Rhodies in Rhodesia were slaying Zimbabweans left and right with FAL's till the bitter end and racking up huge and disproportionate commie body counts with the things. What really did Rhodesia in wasn't the fact that their enemy had more boolets in their AK's by comparison but rather all the sanctions levied against them (a tiny land locked nation) by the USA since we flipped and joined Communist China's side to 'own' the heckin sóyviet union even though they were collapsing anyway as a result of revolutions in the Baltic's and in Hungary and also still licking their wounds after getting wrecked in Afghanistan. Honestly the way the Cold War ended was rather disappointing given were we are now, Thanks Reagan and Clinton you cross dressing anti 2A homosexuals. Also because Rhodesia was le raycist or whatever even though they were in the process of electing their first Black person president but no worries now that they don't have to worry about pesky things like basic human rights, not dying of famine, and a functional economy. Yay! Zimbabwe is 'free'!

      But yeah, battle rifles VVill make a comeback and whimpy lil twinks and fatties VVill continue to cry about it and make excuses as to why better armor penetration and being able to hit targets further away is le bad or something.
      Do I see Sigger spears replacing the M4/M16 platform any time soon? Nah but it's useful to arm maybe one or two lads with them in a team to reach threats that are to far away for your typical 14" 5.56 rifle to reach.
      >Verification not required.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, hunting down Black folk running through scrub is 100% the same as having a machine gun section pin your team, or trying to suppress during retreat, or trying to attain fire supremacy over an enemy squad. These are all absolutely comparable to chasing illiterate monkeys with rusted AKs and sticks who shit themselves as soon as bullets fly !

  34. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    This is just the new M14, an expensive heavy piece of shit they won't issue out to everyone because it's expensive and heavy as shit. We'll be using the M4 into the 2050's until we develop laser weapons.

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