What is the minimum altitude to drop one of these? Can the be used in pop-up bombing? The Ukraine air force hasn't had much luck penetrating very deep recently, though that might change if the Russians start running low on R-37s
That's the magic of JDAM. All of its guidance is self contained so the plane carrying them only has to go high altitude long enough for it to release the bombs and it can duck back down to low altitude.
Except that all current Ukrainian Aircraft have no choice but to fly at 50-100m altitudes because of fears of being sniped by MiG-31 carrying R-37s, which can launch their missiles without having to enter Ukrainian air space thanks to how long range the R-37s are coupled with the high altitude and speeds that the MiG-31 can reach: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-mig-29-pilots-inside-account-of-the-changing-air-war-over-ukraine
i believe you, but how? NATO AWACS can't see that far into Russia. And last I checked most of Ukraine's air losses recently came from very long range air to air missiles that automatically acquire a lock, even against stuff close to the ground.
as for the bombs, my guess is Ukraine is going to lob these from like 10k feet. A plane can get up there in less than 30 seconds, then descend again
my asshole is smooth and turds slide out it easily, thank you. Your cock blasted poop canal probably looks like the surface of the moon it's been so eroded from all the man meat plunged up there like they're prospecting for oil
>i believe you, but how? >NATO AWACS can't see that far into Russia.
A. They probably can...
B. US likely has a live satellite feed of the fucking airfields..
C. Half the Russian airforce officers are taking money from American glowies..
D. The un-licenced and un-updated windows XP used by the RuAF belongs to an Ukrainian bot net..
E. There are likely observation posts setup to monitor every airfield in Russia and to log take-offs and landings..
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Right? Someone in the US is probably watching a live satellite feed of the ground crew preping the migs for take off and already have ukraine alerted the moment wheels leave the runway.
>but how?
Same way I know at all times whether Germany shares a border with France.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has potential R-37 launchers in the air 24/7, especially since it can also be launched from SU-35 and SU-57 aircraft as well
2 weeks ago
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>I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has potential R-37 launchers in the air 24/7
If Russia had aircraft with R-37 in the air 24/7 in all parts of the front Russia would have no airforce in 6 months. Russia cannot maintain that level of commitment and not start suffering catastrophic vehicle failures. According to British intelligence Russia reduced number of sorties per day to low tens
They have been regularly using airbases in Belarus to launch AWACS and MiGs from. Taking out an AWACS puts a lot more strain on any other AWACS in the area, or if no other AWACS are available to cover the gap then you lose AWACS coverage for however long it takes to replace the AWACS or bring one in from somewhere less important.
That's the magic of JDAM. All of its guidance is self contained so the plane carrying them only has to go high altitude long enough for it to release the bombs and it can duck back down to low altitude.
All JDAMs can be used with toss bombing but on MiG-29s/Su-27s it might depend on their implementation. I imagine they would since there's not much point giving them to Ukraine if you need to be dropping it wings level at high altitude.
I just wish they could attach a couple rockets to one of these and lob them at the kerch bridge, I so much want to witness the vatniks' seethe when that thing gets blown up into an inoperable state...
You know how the Russians have been using choppers as indirect artillery support by pulling up suddenly while firing off their rocket pods on ballistic arcs?
Well now the Ukrainians can do the same with planes and bombs, except the bombs stand a very good chance of actually hitting things thanks to the smart bomb packaging. Sometimes you just really need to drop a big fucking bomb on something.
>using choppers as indirect artillery support by pulling up suddenly while firing off their rocket pods on ballistic arcs
To be fair, I think some of these helicopters were actually designed to do that and have a fire computer to time the rockets.
Dumb question: Can these do something really different than the HIMARS? I get it, bigger boom and all, but anything anyone could miss or forget?
Bigger payload, cheaper.
Logistic might be easier, airbases are further from the front and closer to railroad network.
Bringing up the conflict that proved US stealth tech is at least two generations behind Russia and China (to the American’s credit, that was as of the 90’s, likely 3 gens now though). Wow imagine what your shit bombs can do!
Muh advanced hyper invisible stealth bomber gets shot down by a poorly maintained AA system from the 70’s is winning in the west. My fucking sides.
2 weeks ago
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cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll never understand how
>hahaha we shot a target flying subsonic in a straight line directly over our SAM battery >hahaha the pilot didn't even know he was being targeted until the first (of two) missiles exploded just outside his window because he didn't have a RWR >hahahahahaha F-35/B-2 SHIT HAHAHAHAHA
Makes sense and doesn't cause these people to seek psychiatric help. Surely being that delusional would force you to accept you need help.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
N…n.. no! It’s just because our pilots are retarded! There’s nothing wrong with our armed forces! We just fundamentally can’t operate our expensive toys!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you even know what a RWR is, or why the F-117 didn't have one? Try the shit you brag about on an F-35 and you're going to get a JDAM up your ass.
2 weeks ago
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No winning with you all. It’s either” we’re the best because we have the best toys despite being weak limp idiots with armed forces full of people I don’t like” or “we can beat you with our “worst” stuff since we’re the best trained on earth! (See Ukraine to see how that’s going)”
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you don't know what a RWR is, got it. Just post your Serbian passport and call us moron loving trannies already.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I too can google. Also don’t use those words they’re offensive. Literally all your dying empire is capable of is sobbing and lashing at made up untouchables like the third reich did while reliving old victories
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah, I'm not asking you to google it. Please tell us in your own words WHY the F-117 didn't have a RWR and WHY that matters.
2 weeks ago
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It didn’t because the west didn’t and still doesn’t have the tech to manufacture their own radar systems. It would be smart not to put it because Yknow, pissing out EM waves is fucking stupid cause Yknow, “stealth”. They actually lucked out by not being able to make it though because I guarantee they’d think it would be smart to put it on the plane anyways.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're an uninformed dumbass.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Third wold countries don't have strong mental health treatment systems.
Oh for sure! The Russian and Chinese stealth tech is so advanced, that not even THEY have seen their superadvanced stealth kit! Project "Emperor's new clothes Mk.2", I believe it was called.
Yes, bigger payload with better range and accuracy. A single 500lb precision strike can accomplish more than a salvo of HIMARS can. Consider that you can equip JDAMs to bombs that weigh in excess of 2000+ pounds and you start to see how JDAM being introduced into Ukrainian armament can be a problem for the Russians.
You could argue the same for drones, but a lot times they simply aren’t enough to actually knock out a tank or a heavy fortification and they go back into service shortly after being hit. With a Jdam they’re gone for good.
>I wonder what the range of these glide bombs are when the Ukrainians can only launch them at low altitude.
if they use them to support the ground push, the answer is enough
So in trying to find out more about what the range on one of these might be in a pop-up attack I ended up looking at a few sim forum posts from a while back and it's funny to see how people were absolutely insistent that conditions like what we see in Ukraine would just never happen:
>You're absolutely right that an unopposed scenario is unlikely against a near-peer adversary, but ... you are equally unlikely to ever go into any hostilities alone and unafraid. From what I read in various forums, there are a lot of people who hold on to the erroneous idea that you'll ever "go it alone" in a high threat environment. >If your target site is well defended (IADS and fighters), you're going to be part of a large force strike. First, there will be a coordinated TLAM strike...with enough missiles to do major damage to the local air defenses, if not outright destroy them.
This reminds me of how everybody used to claim that flying low was no defense against modern SAM/radar, yet what do we see in Ukraine? Everybody hugging the dirt.
>This reminds me of how everybody used to claim that flying low was no defense against modern SAM/radar, yet what do we see in Ukraine? Everybody hugging the dirt.
you have to remember who you're dealing with though. Two armies that are straight out of the 1960s.
To be fair, when you have a competent first world military, both of those are true. No one really concerned themselves with what it would look like for this war for the same reasons no one is considering African bush wars when talking about tank sims, since they're just so far divorced and alien from the reality that a NATO force would experience.
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IS Ukraine getting married?
We've already seen her fighting with something old and something new, she's been fighting with something borrowed from the start and now she has something BLU
>Source: twitter.com/TrustMeBro
What flavor is the blue bomb?
Berry Blast.
>What flavor is the blue bomb?
vatnik salsa
Blue waffle burst
BLU berry
winner
Blue Bye You
Blueberry Buttrape
boomberry
Red, White, and Blue Bomb Pop.
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What is the minimum altitude to drop one of these? Can the be used in pop-up bombing? The Ukraine air force hasn't had much luck penetrating very deep recently, though that might change if the Russians start running low on R-37s
you can lob them just like any other guided bomb
Except that all current Ukrainian Aircraft have no choice but to fly at 50-100m altitudes because of fears of being sniped by MiG-31 carrying R-37s, which can launch their missiles without having to enter Ukrainian air space thanks to how long range the R-37s are coupled with the high altitude and speeds that the MiG-31 can reach: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-mig-29-pilots-inside-account-of-the-changing-air-war-over-ukraine
Ukraine literally knows at all times when mig31 is in the air or not.
i believe you, but how? NATO AWACS can't see that far into Russia. And last I checked most of Ukraine's air losses recently came from very long range air to air missiles that automatically acquire a lock, even against stuff close to the ground.
as for the bombs, my guess is Ukraine is going to lob these from like 10k feet. A plane can get up there in less than 30 seconds, then descend again
Source: your ragged arsehole
my asshole is smooth and turds slide out it easily, thank you. Your cock blasted poop canal probably looks like the surface of the moon it's been so eroded from all the man meat plunged up there like they're prospecting for oil
Ukraine gets an air alert every single time mig31 gets up into the air.
Btw last time MIG-31got up in the air it had no A50 AWAC with it. I'm curious why
A50 AWAC pilot was sleepy that day. I wouldn't worry about it.
Locals. People from Belarus provide early warning when something takes off from the airbase.
>i believe you, but how?
>NATO AWACS can't see that far into Russia.
A. They probably can...
B. US likely has a live satellite feed of the fucking airfields..
C. Half the Russian airforce officers are taking money from American glowies..
D. The un-licenced and un-updated windows XP used by the RuAF belongs to an Ukrainian bot net..
E. There are likely observation posts setup to monitor every airfield in Russia and to log take-offs and landings..
Right? Someone in the US is probably watching a live satellite feed of the ground crew preping the migs for take off and already have ukraine alerted the moment wheels leave the runway.
>but how?
Same way I know at all times whether Germany shares a border with France.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has potential R-37 launchers in the air 24/7, especially since it can also be launched from SU-35 and SU-57 aircraft as well
>I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has potential R-37 launchers in the air 24/7
If Russia had aircraft with R-37 in the air 24/7 in all parts of the front Russia would have no airforce in 6 months. Russia cannot maintain that level of commitment and not start suffering catastrophic vehicle failures. According to British intelligence Russia reduced number of sorties per day to low tens
I'd love to see the condition of those Migs after having to put through heavy use in a rather short period.
that is why I said "lob"
R-37 is an AWACS killer.
A fighter jet can outmaneuver it which even your article mentions.
Question: how does losing one AWACS in Belarus affect NiG-31 operation?
They have been regularly using airbases in Belarus to launch AWACS and MiGs from. Taking out an AWACS puts a lot more strain on any other AWACS in the area, or if no other AWACS are available to cover the gap then you lose AWACS coverage for however long it takes to replace the AWACS or bring one in from somewhere less important.
they didn't lose any.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/first-image-of-russian-a-50-radar-jet-after-claimed-attack-in-belarus
That's the magic of JDAM. All of its guidance is self contained so the plane carrying them only has to go high altitude long enough for it to release the bombs and it can duck back down to low altitude.
Aircraft doesn’t really even need to go high altitude, just needs to get vertical and yeet them with decent KE
Are these dropped normally or can they be used with toss bombing?
All JDAMs can be used with toss bombing but on MiG-29s/Su-27s it might depend on their implementation. I imagine they would since there's not much point giving them to Ukraine if you need to be dropping it wings level at high altitude.
I just wish they could attach a couple rockets to one of these and lob them at the kerch bridge, I so much want to witness the vatniks' seethe when that thing gets blown up into an inoperable state...
Dumb question: Can these do something really different than the HIMARS? I get it, bigger boom and all, but anything anyone could miss or forget?
You know how the Russians have been using choppers as indirect artillery support by pulling up suddenly while firing off their rocket pods on ballistic arcs?
Well now the Ukrainians can do the same with planes and bombs, except the bombs stand a very good chance of actually hitting things thanks to the smart bomb packaging. Sometimes you just really need to drop a big fucking bomb on something.
Okay, that is kinda neat.
reminds me of vidrelated but on easy mode
It is that vidrelated, literally.
>using choppers as indirect artillery support by pulling up suddenly while firing off their rocket pods on ballistic arcs
To be fair, I think some of these helicopters were actually designed to do that and have a fire computer to time the rockets.
Bigger payload, cheaper.
Logistic might be easier, airbases are further from the front and closer to railroad network.
I am thinking of a solution to bomb Moscow:
Just have mig 29s fly up and then just chuck the jdam towards moscow.
Is this enginerically possible?
theoretically if you did something like this (bottom portion)
but with a larger powered jet portion to extend the range even further.
>Sometimes you just really need to drop a big fucking bomb on something.
Exactly, like Serbia.
Bringing up the conflict that proved US stealth tech is at least two generations behind Russia and China (to the American’s credit, that was as of the 90’s, likely 3 gens now though). Wow imagine what your shit bombs can do!
>US stealth tech is at least two generations behind Russia and China
>Wow imagine what your shit bombs can do!
lol, lmao even.
Muh advanced hyper invisible stealth bomber gets shot down by a poorly maintained AA system from the 70’s is winning in the west. My fucking sides.
cope
I'll never understand how
>hahaha we shot a target flying subsonic in a straight line directly over our SAM battery
>hahaha the pilot didn't even know he was being targeted until the first (of two) missiles exploded just outside his window because he didn't have a RWR
>hahahahahaha F-35/B-2 SHIT HAHAHAHAHA
Makes sense and doesn't cause these people to seek psychiatric help. Surely being that delusional would force you to accept you need help.
N…n.. no! It’s just because our pilots are retarded! There’s nothing wrong with our armed forces! We just fundamentally can’t operate our expensive toys!
Do you even know what a RWR is, or why the F-117 didn't have one? Try the shit you brag about on an F-35 and you're going to get a JDAM up your ass.
No winning with you all. It’s either” we’re the best because we have the best toys despite being weak limp idiots with armed forces full of people I don’t like” or “we can beat you with our “worst” stuff since we’re the best trained on earth! (See Ukraine to see how that’s going)”
So you don't know what a RWR is, got it. Just post your Serbian passport and call us moron loving trannies already.
I too can google. Also don’t use those words they’re offensive. Literally all your dying empire is capable of is sobbing and lashing at made up untouchables like the third reich did while reliving old victories
Nah, I'm not asking you to google it. Please tell us in your own words WHY the F-117 didn't have a RWR and WHY that matters.
It didn’t because the west didn’t and still doesn’t have the tech to manufacture their own radar systems. It would be smart not to put it because Yknow, pissing out EM waves is fucking stupid cause Yknow, “stealth”. They actually lucked out by not being able to make it though because I guarantee they’d think it would be smart to put it on the plane anyways.
You're an uninformed dumbass.
Third wold countries don't have strong mental health treatment systems.
Oh for sure! The Russian and Chinese stealth tech is so advanced, that not even THEY have seen their superadvanced stealth kit! Project "Emperor's new clothes Mk.2", I believe it was called.
>inverse vatnik pikachu
The game is evolving faster than I ever expected
Now we wait for vatniks to try and reverse engineer laughing kermit and watch them absolutely konk it up while trying to use them for their ends.
Yes, bigger payload with better range and accuracy. A single 500lb precision strike can accomplish more than a salvo of HIMARS can. Consider that you can equip JDAMs to bombs that weigh in excess of 2000+ pounds and you start to see how JDAM being introduced into Ukrainian armament can be a problem for the Russians.
You could argue the same for drones, but a lot times they simply aren’t enough to actually knock out a tank or a heavy fortification and they go back into service shortly after being hit. With a Jdam they’re gone for good.
I wonder what the range of these glide bombs are when the Ukrainians can only launch them at low altitude. Sounds like more bullshit from OSINTbros
Moved off of "broinst," have we?
>I wonder what the range of these glide bombs are when the Ukrainians can only launch them at low altitude.
if they use them to support the ground push, the answer is enough
So in trying to find out more about what the range on one of these might be in a pop-up attack I ended up looking at a few sim forum posts from a while back and it's funny to see how people were absolutely insistent that conditions like what we see in Ukraine would just never happen:
>You're absolutely right that an unopposed scenario is unlikely against a near-peer adversary, but ... you are equally unlikely to ever go into any hostilities alone and unafraid. From what I read in various forums, there are a lot of people who hold on to the erroneous idea that you'll ever "go it alone" in a high threat environment.
>If your target site is well defended (IADS and fighters), you're going to be part of a large force strike. First, there will be a coordinated TLAM strike...with enough missiles to do major damage to the local air defenses, if not outright destroy them.
This reminds me of how everybody used to claim that flying low was no defense against modern SAM/radar, yet what do we see in Ukraine? Everybody hugging the dirt.
>modern SAM/radar
Here's your problem.
>This reminds me of how everybody used to claim that flying low was no defense against modern SAM/radar, yet what do we see in Ukraine? Everybody hugging the dirt.
you have to remember who you're dealing with though. Two armies that are straight out of the 1960s.
To be fair, when you have a competent first world military, both of those are true. No one really concerned themselves with what it would look like for this war for the same reasons no one is considering African bush wars when talking about tank sims, since they're just so far divorced and alien from the reality that a NATO force would experience.
yah 20 or less JDAM-ERs aren't going to make a huge difference
Im getting HIMARS flashbacks
Wut?
So will the JDAM kits be fitted to Soviet bombs like the FAB 500? Or are they transferring American Mark 82s/73s/84s too?
Probably sending the bombs as well since the cost of a couple hundred pounds of HE and metal shell is negligible to the cost of the JDAM kit itself.
Honestly it's pretty based US equipment is finally doing what it originally intended to do, vaporizing Russians.
One of these?
We should have given them our M-121 bombs.
How much can you tack onto a bomb before it becomes a missile?
Propulsion
RAP is not a missile
If they were guided I think it would fit under modern usage.
Also
is technically correct.
technically any flying projectile is a missile
Yes.
Looking forward to a Mk 84 2000 pounder bursting through an ammo dump
Anon, i can only get so erect.
The picture is also nice.
https://cyancapsule.itch.io/my-pig-princess
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Another impotent wunderwaffen the west is convinced that will win the war.
its a 1000 kilo bomb
IS Ukraine getting married?
We've already seen her fighting with something old and something new, she's been fighting with something borrowed from the start and now she has something BLU