Japan planning to build Very Very Large Destroyer

The new JMSDF ships intended to supplant original Aegis Ashore plan will reportedly measure 210m in length, 40m width, possess 20,000 tons standard displacement, and armed with extended-range Type-12 ASCMs for land attack.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck I want this to be true

    I always thought Aegis ashore was retarded when you could just build a boat that can do the same shit and at least it's mobile and can be more easily defended by your fleet. A land based system is just a nice big target for sabotage.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But is it a battlecruiser?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wasnt the engels technically a monitor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based on JSDF naming conventions, it will be a Battledestroyer

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Missile Carrying Frigate
        >20,000 ton arsenal ship

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        who knows, this one might be big enough for japan to call it a cruiser and give it a whole class unto itself in their navy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't actually called destroyer (駆逐艦) in Japanese but escort ship (護衛艦).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > escort ship
          Suddenly I'm imaginining the USS Defiant from DS9 in a seifuku.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a helicopter destroyer to carry airplanes
        >a guided missile battledestroyer to engage enemy surface combatants and missiles
        >you are here
        >a nuclear powered subsurface attack destroyer to hunt enemy subs and launch cruise missiles
        >a littoral infantry support destroyer to deploy a battalion of marines
        >a nuclear subsurface standoff destroyer to stealthily carry solid rocket submarine launched ballistic destroyers
        >...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I would bump that up one or two more levels.
          https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/20211229-OYT1T50258/
          Not nuclear powered (for now) but still a sub with VLS and cruise missile.
          Also pic rel.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          non-surface exo-atmospheric artillery destroyer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          where's my spaceflight capable megadestroyer Yamato?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a helicopter destroyer to carry airplanes
        >a guided missile battledestroyer to engage enemy surface combatants and missiles
        >you are here
        >a nuclear powered subsurface attack destroyer to hunt enemy subs and launch cruise missiles
        >a littoral infantry support destroyer to deploy a battalion of marines
        >a nuclear subsurface standoff destroyer to stealthily carry solid rocket submarine launched ballistic destroyers
        >...

        >mfw the japanese are going come up with a star destroyer

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    any source?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they've had not-a-carriers for years, not-a-cruisers are just a logical progression

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing how they've been naming their """"""helicopter destroyers"""""" (that conveniently have recently been cleared to carry F-35s) things like Hyuga and Kaga, what are the odds we get a new Fubuki right in time for her to fuck up some chinks?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fubuki is a great name for a ship-class too, it would be fitting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hell yeah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gay shit happens in the taiwan strait
      >japan shows up with KIDO BUTAI to plink the chink

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They would need a couple more "airplane-capable" Izumos to get a proper battlegroup going.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >America pussies out of the fight for some bullshit political dysfunction reason
        >Japan 1v1 China
        >Japan BTFOs China utterly using superior science and warrior spirit
        >becomes the dominant world power of the 21st century and beyond

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And then anime will finally be real.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          2 wasn't enough.
          20 will do it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          With what economy? Japan's economy STILL in a shit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Don't need economy, only yamato spirit (tm)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't Japan the third largest economy or something?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, and spending less on its military than Germany (or India...)
              They could triple the budget easily enough if there was the political will for it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gaining the political will is a big uphill battle. Japan has a big problem with "heiwa boke." Heiwa meaning peace and boke meaning things like silly, senile, dulled, blurry etc.
                Because the people suffered so much due to militarism, the idea of even fighting became a taboo. Many in the government pretty much hate the JSDF and wishes they could just keep outsourcing defense to America, even though America could pretty much tell Japan to kick rocks in an emergency and the Japanese wouldn't be able to do anything about
                The far left are even more retarded. They want no Americans and no JSDF. They think that diplomacy would be more than enough.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How do we revive Japanese militarism?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You need a couple of chinese to stir up some trouble and get some japanese killed, that outta do it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Staff the fleet entirely with high school girls. Obviously.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine the smell

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It took like twenty years last time, too. In the first half of the Meiji period they debated on, and refused, to invade Korea, and a government toppled when the Diet refused to authorise an extra two divisions for the army. It wasn't until about 1890 that they started flexing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It is growing stronger anyway, with the force of Abe's spirit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          honestly wouldn't even be mad at that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude I’m gay, this is highly offensive pleas delete

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's not okay to be gay. Read the bible.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh bibble!
            Kick rocks

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ships intended to supplant original Aegis Ashore
    so aegis ashore embarked

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Battleships are indestructible.
    No battleship has been lost if it had any air defense. Yamato was rivet construction.
    Carriers are useless, lost every battle, Spruance failed to pursue. In 1988 they failed to sink a frigate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stop using drugs.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >20,000 ton destroyer
    When will the nips learn they dont have to cheat Naval treaty requirements anymore when designing vessels.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They can't help themselves.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Japan planning to build Very Very Large Destroyer
    Thank goodness, I was worried the Zentraedi would steal our Protoculture.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes please a Japanese Kirov would be fucking incredible. This thing would displace 500t more than an a full load Izumo and that is just it's standard
    displacement. And for the love of god please let it be nuke powered, that would be icing on the cake. Sticking with the JMSDF naming scheme call it Fuji please,
    or because of it's large displacement open it up to province names. Call it Nara, Nagano, or Saitama which are the modern names of the Yamato namesakes.
    Mikasa would also be good because it embodies Tsushima Strait while also being a mountain inside of Nara (Yamato). God I can't wait till this thing is laid down.
    Also pic rel is the Type 12 that will be fitted which will have a range of 1500km for the ship launched variant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >let it be nuke powered
      As based as that would be, there's no way. They'd have a very hard time convincing themselves that a nuke ship was necessary for the defense of their territorial waters.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Also I just thought of this as I replied, but it could be justified that since Aegis ashore would be a 24/7 system that these new ships would need long term self sustainment to maintain readiness.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Aegis Ashore was originally intended to reduce the burden on the JSMDF, but isn't this a complete turnaround?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The issue was that local governments were worried about booster stages falling on houses, so they scrapped it.
      I would imagine that a lot of the crew shrinking tech on the Mogami's will be utilized here to bring the total
      compliment down to a manageable level.

      https://i.imgur.com/Xknemd8.jpg

      Yes please a Japanese Kirov would be fucking incredible. This thing would displace 500t more than an a full load Izumo and that is just it's standard
      displacement. And for the love of god please let it be nuke powered, that would be icing on the cake. Sticking with the JMSDF naming scheme call it Fuji please,
      or because of it's large displacement open it up to province names. Call it Nara, Nagano, or Saitama which are the modern names of the Yamato namesakes.
      Mikasa would also be good because it embodies Tsushima Strait while also being a mountain inside of Nara (Yamato). God I can't wait till this thing is laid down.
      Also pic rel is the Type 12 that will be fitted which will have a range of 1500km for the ship launched variant.

      Also Hyuga at standard load not Izumo here, but a full load version should out-displace an Izumo.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Due to its very large width, the vessel is probably not a combat ship.
    I believe it is an inexpensive BMD-only ship based on an LPD or tanker like the one in this article:
    https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-exhibitions/2017-archives/sea-air-space-2017-show-daily-news/5114-hii-s-lpd-based-future-surface-combatant-concept-could-replace-ticonderoga-class-cruisers.html

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still not big enough.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Source or you're gay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.jiji.com/sp/article?k=2022083100730&g=pol
      https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/22769337/
      https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUA265VN0W2A820C2000000/
      Also holy fuck the Nikkei article says 2 ships in the class with commission dates in 2027 and 2028. We could unironically see these laid down next year if the budget passes.
      >全長210メートル以下、全幅40メートル以下、基準排水量2万トンほどを想定する。27年度末に1隻目、28年度末に2隻目の就役を目指す。

      >let it be nuke powered
      As based as that would be, there's no way. They'd have a very hard time convincing themselves that a nuke ship was necessary for the defense of their territorial waters.

      A man can dream.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So its a BMD and hypersonics defense platform. It will function as primary umbrella over a fleet or operational area. At the BMD/hypersonic scale that is a large area. Ripple firing and guiding multiple very large interceptors at simultaneous attacks.

        Strategically it says Japan wants a mobile (as in hemispheric mobile) navy. Kept under this umbrella a fleet can still operate away from the homeland, which might not be possible with a weaker per-ship missile defence measures.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I just hope these big boys are gonna have some serious self defense fire power. I'm talking anti ship missiles, torpedoes, hell, throw some helicopters in there

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It reportedly operates (probably a lot of) Improved Type 12 SSM

            https://i.imgur.com/Xknemd8.jpg

            Yes please a Japanese Kirov would be fucking incredible. This thing would displace 500t more than an a full load Izumo and that is just it's standard
            displacement. And for the love of god please let it be nuke powered, that would be icing on the cake. Sticking with the JMSDF naming scheme call it Fuji please,
            or because of it's large displacement open it up to province names. Call it Nara, Nagano, or Saitama which are the modern names of the Yamato namesakes.
            Mikasa would also be good because it embodies Tsushima Strait while also being a mountain inside of Nara (Yamato). God I can't wait till this thing is laid down.
            Also pic rel is the Type 12 that will be fitted which will have a range of 1500km for the ship launched variant.

            which is a stealth cruise missile with a range of 1000-1500km, can attack ships and ground targets.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just call it a cruiser you spergs

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just call it a cruiser?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason some Euro navies call their destroyers 'frigates'. Muh self-defence.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In the 50s the Marine Nationale redesignated all their light cruisers as frigates and all their heavy cruisers as destroyers. The Italians and Brits followed suit because of the FREMM program which saw them sharing much of the design work. The Spanish and the Germans after that. More recently the anglosphere has adopted a new naming convention, with the exception of the legacy Ticonderogas a Destroyer is a major surface combatant capable of area air defence while a Frigate is a major surface combatant only capable of defending itself at most.

        Again, with the exception of the Ticonderogas, only the Russians still have cruisers and that's because of the wording of treaty of the Bosporus, which only allows "cruisers" to transit from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean.

        What people think when they think of Destroyers/cruiser/battleship is the treaty definitions which didn't make much sense at the time and mean nothing now (an arleigh burke carries 21" missile tubes in lieu of "guns")

        The original distinction between a destroyer and a cruiser was a cruiser was able to put to sea for long voyages while a destroyer was limited to coastal duties while a battleship was capable taking a position in the line of battle. Again, this makes no sense today.

        So the reality is it's a destroyer because the JMSDF said it's a destroyer and that's the definition.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the legacy Ticonderogas
          pure sex

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nup. Obsolete floating fire hazard. The aluminium super structure doesn't work.

            • 1 month ago
              Alph/o/nse

              idc they're still pure SEX to me, moron

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              idc they're still pure SEX to me, moron

              He's right, the Ticonderoga's are sexy motherfuckers, have been kicking ass for decades, and don't deserve retirement unless replaced with new CRUISERS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They're not tho. It's a late WW2 destroyer with a great big aluminium box on top of it designed to hold computers from the 80s that had less power than your mobile phone. They'll be LUCKY if they make it to the end of their service life because those aluminium superstructures all have cracks and metal fatigue because of the bi-metal construction. All they are is 128 VLS cells that cost a fortune to maintain.

                As for "CRUISERS" all-caps what the fuck does that even mean? They weigh the same as a Burke they're just longer and yet slower. And if you read the specs for the new DDG (X) program, FINALLY the USN switches on a brain before making a decision. It's been a long time since they didn't fuck everything up, so we'll see, but so far so good.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cruisers are made for independent operation. They cruise. That's why they are called cruisers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Frigates are made for independent operation, they also eat frigs, which is why they're called frigates. Probably.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, modern destroyers do struggle in the duties cruisers historically excelled in when it comes to high-endurance patrols. 300 people really isn't enough to be out at sea on months at end without support.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not true at all. A coal fired cruiser was a terribly uncomfortable ship to be on, their ranges were short and their provisions not much. That's why the empire had so many naval stations everywhere, because the cruiser mostly just traveled from station to station.

            A modern destroyer on the other hand has a 6,000 mile range and can easily stay at sea for a month or two with three square meals by a professional chef a day. With underway replenishment they can stretch that out to six months without seeing the inside of a port.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How the fuck are they going to pay for this? The yen is on its ass, they're in a recession, and corona has destroyed their tourism cash cow.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they're in a recession,
      All the more reason to spend more. In fact PM Kishida is committed to doubling defense budget in 5 years (and it's still 2% of GDP).

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >build a warship larger than the Dreadnought
    >classify it as a destroyer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean modern day destroyers are larger than WW2 heavy cruisers.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I honestly don't get why mass repliers are so much retarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have the same opinion of people that use soijaks unironically being honest.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .
    >Destroyer
    Nowadays they build 8000t frigates but this is too much for me to cope.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hi, sweaty. Would (You) please carve one of your eyes out with a spork? And then hammer the spork into the chewy center of your brain?
    kthxbye

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its going to be western Kuznetsov

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan
      >Western
      Also, bad analogy m8, that ain't a carrier

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Japan is western just like Australia or New Zealand. The western world is not a matter of geography.
        Likewise countries like Cuba counted as eastern despite being positioned the western hemisphere.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Likewise countries like Cuba counted as eastern
          >Cuba
          >eastern
          you're fucking retarded

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Have you ever heard of Fidel Castro or Che Guevara?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Have you ever heard of Fidel Castro or Che Guevara?

            Yeah Cuba is commie bro, it's eastern adjacent

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >western Kuznetsov
      so a functional ship, basically

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A single YJ-21 and this thing is a reef lmao.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      According to the sources

      https://www.jiji.com/sp/article?k=2022083100730&g=pol
      https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/22769337/
      https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUA265VN0W2A820C2000000/
      Also holy fuck the Nikkei article says 2 ships in the class with commission dates in 2027 and 2028. We could unironically see these laid down next year if the budget passes.
      >全長210メートル以下、全幅40メートル以下、基準排水量2万トンほどを想定する。27年度末に1隻目、28年度末に2隻目の就役を目指す。
      [...]
      A man can dream.

      the ships will be capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's called a cruiser, and a pretty big one at that.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >A modern day Yamato

    holy fuck please do it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Might as well make it battleship aircraft carrier combo while we're at it

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone in East Asia fond of making bigass destroyers. South Korea's Sejong Class and China's Type 055 class

    Are they still stuck in Battleship Dickwaving Contests?

    >Japan BTFOs China utterly using superior science and warrior spirit
    This isn't the 90s anymore. Japan isn't the high tech wonderland of the future that it claimed to be.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The ideal size for a destroyer has increased since the Burkes were designed. So when you create a clean sheet design now, it'll be bigger.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        At what point do they stop calling everything a destroyer when they displace 10,000+ tonnes? The US already went through this song and dance in 1975. Or are we going back to some kind of Napoleonic/Jeune Ecole type situation where your fleet is going to be mostly all one type of ship-of-the-line? Can we at least call them threedeckers or men-o'-war in that case?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Burke counterparts is the 052d, not the 055.
      China stopped builing 055 because the tech they need for the 055 they want is not ready yet.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want Japan to build more "heli" carriers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I want them to build stuff like pic related, but modenized

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Aviation cruisers would actually be an interesting fit within the JMSDF. VTOL F-35s, helos for ASW & rescue, some heavy surface firepower.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I was partly shitposting with the Yamato hype, but the japanese do need to get the most out of it. They don't have the absurd funds of the US

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they need nuclear submarines and long range bombers more

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    With how Japan usually does about two ships per class for DDGs, this could be Yamato and Musashi.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Finally something to surpass the Ticos

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a colossal waste of money for the Japanese. I thought the Americans were supposed to protect them, hence the whole navy fleet stationed there, but they're paying for Americans while building their own ever-bigger navy, except it is isn't a navy because it is forbidden to be used except for self defense. Why bother paying money to America for protection if you also have to develop your own defenses?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The americans have been asking the japanese to ditch the whole pacifism thing for decades, this is baby steps for them to go back to "normal"

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Glorious Nippon rises!! Japan will grow larger!

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