>Japan is in talks to open a NATO
HATObros, we cant stop winning.
Preparedness & self-sufficiency community
>Japan is in talks to open a NATO
HATObros, we cant stop winning.
Open a NATO what?
crack open a cold NATO after a long day of work
never cracked open a boy with the Cold Ones?
Is it any good?
It's better than our bulk piss lager at least. Pretty sharp hoppy taste.
>Cannot deliver to the US
le multipolar world has arrived
Only if you include the USA Atlantic alliance chads and the soon-to-be-announced USA Pacific alliance chads as separate poles (;
>putin dream of bi-polar world
>second pole turned out to be poland
>Tigers and leopards
German tanks are in Poland again
"And that's a good thing."
Germans are confused, you want the Germans to raise an army and march into Poland? Again? Are you sure you want that?
>NATO: Please, Germany, will you fight Russia?
>Germany: Fully loaded with American nuclear missile silos originally designed by smuggled nazi scientists.
>Germany: Are you sure you want Germany to fight a war with Russia? Again?
>Are you sure you want Germany to fight a war with Russia? Again?
>Pakistanis: You know, maybe we do a nuclear Jihad, maybe not.
The amount of anons who would unironically support MAD through nuclear Jihad.
Meanwhile, I am just a Christian, I think nuclear weapons are just for having and not for actually using. They have only ever been used by the USA in war and that was to kill civilians which was messed up.
>The amount of anons who would unironically support MAD through nuclear Jihad.
Mostly doomsday preppers who want to live out their fallout new vegas fantasies, probably more of them in Caesar's Legion than in the NCR
There are some fringe subsets of commies and fascists who see nuclear war as a path towards enacting their bunker society, but that just sounds like vaults from fallout honestly, and both commies and fascists are already fringe.
Anyone who truly supports a nuclear war has some kind of death wish for human civilization honestly, which has prevented world war three thus far.
>le multipolar world has arrived
Finally a real one.without cancer like communist china or putins Russia having a say
this is an extremely amusing post and it's tenfold more amusing knowing that there's people who were made as angry by it as I was overjoyed by it
IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS
>"3 Lighthouses" speech by Pompeo last summer during the Southern District mobilization audio leak out of China
Tell me more.
>Moving past our current geo-strategic focus, the United States must help in building of the three lighthouses for liberty. These beacons should be centered on nations that have great strife: Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. They can be the hubs of new security architecture that links alliances of free nations globally, reinforcing the strengths of each member state, in time, linking these three bastions with NATO, as well as the new and expanded security framework for the Indo-Pacific will form a global alliance for freedom. This will benefit America
Tldr 3 lighthouses are cunt Pompeo thinks are worth fighting for and America should shrink from this responsibility
>“Something happening in East Europe is not only confined to the issue in East Europe, and that affects directly the situation here in the Pacific. That’s why a cooperation between us in East Asia and NATO (is) becoming … increasingly important.”
I still think it's unnecessary. It's not like Europe could or would help Japan in any military issue. We've already heard Macron saying that Europe should stay out of China's territorial claims. A NATO liaison office would be a waste of a building.
>I still think it's unnecessary.
I think it's a good thing.
>It's not like Europe could or would help Japan in any military issue.
Why would you say that? I think if Japan threatened they will. Even without Japan in NATO.
>We've already heard Macron saying that Europe should stay out of China's territorial claims
Can I have the source?
Are you russiaN?
>Can I have the source?
Have you been living under a rock or something? Macron went to China in April and came back saying shit like,
>“Europeans cannot resolve the crisis in Ukraine; how can we credibly say on Taiwan, ‘watch out, if you do something wrong, we will be there?’”
He's got a point. Europe can't project power into Asia-Pacific and shouldn't be relied on for that. Japan should focus on its existing alliance with the US, while doing what it can to make the Asia-Pacific as much of a contested space as possible, meaning every country has its own sphere of influence that isn't dominated by China.
Yeah, yeah, but can I have the source? I saw hearsay, but no strong sources.
“Europe is more willing to accept a world in which China becomes a regional hegemon,”
"such a world order may be more advantageous to Europe.”
Macron is in danger of Wagner as of recently
And perhaps of the revolting French citizens as well
Do you have anything except politico to prove that? I've seen a lot of controversial stuff from them.
Holy fuck how fucking retarded are you?
HAPPY NOW? YOU CAN GOOGLE THSI YOURSELF.
Who gives a shit what Macron has to say anyway? Since when has France been equal in any way to Europe as a whole? Napoleon?
He is the leader of arguably the first or second most powerful / influential country in Europe and in lieu of Germany fucking off from foreign policy completely aside from trade, France was usually regarded as the diplomatic and military leader of the EU (sadly).
He just solo-ran to China for some dumb fuck reason and made everyone backtrack after him, from von der Leyen, to Baerbock, to the Balts and Poland and even the U.S. This is not how an intelligent ally behaves. If Macron can't do without sucking manlet dick for five minutes, he should just stay in the east.
Frave has always wanted an independent Europe. Led by France, of course.
Weird, but he said that because of AUKUS deal.
Motherfucker, the literal interview Macron did was with Politico.
Macron is a fucking retard who embarasses France internationally when he opens his mouth and he had a massive chance to turn France into a major player diplomatically but continued to be an absolute imbecile by sucking up to China and Russia long after the ship had sailed.
>Macron says something retarded to the dismay of his entire nation and people
It's just another Wednesday
Luckily Macrons words dont mean shit. Everyone in Europe went balistic after that crap and he had to backtrack quickly.
Nobody is asking him to send his army into the Pacific. The question is more of whether the EU has the balls to sanction China if Taiwan was attacked. We all know that France's first instinct would be to kowtow to Emperor Winnie
>Can I have the source?
Yes, Macron himself. The guy has told Ukraine to surrender at least twice and said NATO should admit we started the war (by default). The guy is sucking Chinese dick. The French are forever arrogant fucks.
Always a weird thing. USA and Canada aren't European either. If you go 'Well that doesn't matter' then why bring it up. Next point is if China attacks Hawaii, you think that isn't going to count because 'Hawaii isn't in the Atlantic Ocean'. The whole 'Atlantic Ocean' thing is to prevent wars starting if people attack like Falkland Islands (see the Falklands War) or New Caledonia or Reunion or Bouvet Island
Macron forever proving how much of an insufferable cunt he is that even his own people are getting tired of his dick-sucking gayry
>The whole 'Atlantic Ocean' thing is to prevent wars starting if people attack like Falkland Islands (see the Falklands War) or New Caledonia or Reunion or Bouvet Island
It was there to prevent USA from getting dragged into wars to help protect European colonial empires.
So, I dunno, frankly I am feeling a bit salty that it was put in there but now everyone in Europe are expected to go to the other side of the world to help out when it's more convenient for others.
You know, I've seen maps where French Guyana shows as "NATO member", so I guess overseas territories count to some extent? I don't know how the rules work, though.
Come to think of it, Article 10 specifies "European states", but what's the definition of "Europe" they use? (What's the EU's definition, for that matter?) Can the members amend the charter with a unanimous vote?
>Come to think of it, Article 10 specifies "European states", but what's the definition of "Europe" they use? (What's the EU's definition, for that matter?)
It's tricky, I think the picture is reasonable enough definition of it, but I no longer count Russia as European (because fuck the orcs)
>Can the members amend the charter with a unanimous vote?
I don't see why they couldn't? If everyone decides the rules say something else, then the rules will soon say something else. Problem would be getting everyone to agree.
Looks like there's a lot of overlap with "Partnership for Peace member" (or in the case of Kosovo and Cyprus "we've publicly stated that we aspire to get a PfP membership").
Of course, Japan, Australia, and a bunch of other players are "Major non-NATO Allies of the US" or "NATO Global Partners" on the same footing as European states with an IPAP, so I wonder if/when everybody decides to change the rules a little to formalize things, and how much that would Hurt The Feelings Of The Chinese People.
>I don't know how the rules work, though.
I think it is that you have to have them as a completely incorporated part of your country? But yeah I don't really get it either.
>It was there to prevent USA from getting dragged into wars to help protect European colonial empires.
yeah, that's what he said.
>everyone in Europe are expected to go to the other side of the world
nothing in NATO requires you to conscript the entire European population, and we both know US carrier groups would be the taxi service for any embarking European forces.
it's really not asking for much, and most of what it's asking for boils down to "put some effort into defending yourself", not "go wherever the US military is"
What Macron (and the french at large) want is to show that Europe doesn't need America and that Europe should only be ruled (economically and militarily speaking) by Europe. And of course they want France to be the top dog. That's what this is about, replacing America as the ultimate protector of Europe, by constantly screeching and undermining them. Btw he's wrong and retarded, America is based and we absolutely need them. not to mention our relationship is mutually beneficial.
t. Norwegian but i lived in France once
>he thinks nato has anything to do with the will of france or germany or some other vassal of the US
joining nato = becoming a US military vassal and receiving US military assistance in return. that's it. Japan is already a vassal of the US so joining nato would be mostly symbolic anyways.
vatmoron projection as always
Russians and Chinese have this inability to think of actual allies because their entire history has only involved vasalage, tributaries, annexation, etc. It basically takes a massive multipolar war to get them to work with someone and even then they'll stab the ally in the back (Stalin and Mao both pulled this in WW2).
You are fucking retarded and just parroting russian propaganda.
NATO countries gave the finger to the US and didn't join the Iraq invasion. The US didn't want to participate in Lybia and was forced by the UK/France. NATO isn't the Warsaw Pact.
An in case of war with China, EU countries can help block trade routes and fuck up the chinese in plenty of places in Africa and Asia. NATO includes also Canada and Turkey, mind you.
>stops being a US vassal with one stroke of a pen
>in the middle of the cold war
>no one does anything about it
Warsaw Pactbros, what's going on???
Freedom is a foreign concept for russians, no sense trying to talk with them.
Reminds me how kremlin bailed out of Grain Deal last year and nobody gave a slightest shit. Few days later they crawled back.
>Czechoslovakia finally had enough of retarded Stalinist plans
>actually tried to reform to be less shit
>Russia fucking invaded them because they dared to act independently in their own country
Remember, it's always projection
I've seen vatmorons argue that the pic you posted was staged. They exist in a World of absolute delusion and projection.
Of course it was staged, it's a PR event with the leader of a major country. Besides ensuring it's secure they also took liberties cleaning the place and ensuring it's stocked with every junk food imaginable. Why would they do anything else?
>ensuring it's stocked with every junk food imaginable
That's just how supermarkets work in the West, my thirdie friend.
The world cowers before your Reeses Puffs and hourly grocery store gunfights, Pedro.
> is it a conspiracy theory that glowmorons would primp up a grocery store to tour Gorbachev through it?
That was Yelsin, retard, and yes: nobody needed to pimp up a grocery store in a first world country because they all looked like that by commercial design.
Yeltsin could have gone to any supermarket from Germany to Japan and have seen the same.
>Besides ensuring it's secure they also took liberties cleaning the place and ensuring it's stocked with every junk food imaginable.
You have never even set foot in America
These sorts of replies are always funny. I imagine CIA morons backflipping into action and rappelling from black helicopters because someone dared to imply America isn't some golden god. What, is it a conspiracy theory that glowmorons would primp up a grocery store to tour Gorbachev through it? Whoever pays you to post here is clearly being ripped off.
>is it a conspiracy theory that glowmorons would primp up a grocery store to tour Gorbachev through it?
One, Yeltsin. Two, people don't believe that the CIA primped up the grocery store because they go to a grocery store exactly like it every week. This is virtually identical to any small town grocery store, but I guess some CIA guys must be showing up to stock our groceries stores too.
^ Exactly this. I live in a small-ish city in a relatively poor region of an under-average (economically) european country and when I go to the grocery store it sure looks a lot like the one Yeltsin went to. I mean its more modern for obvious reasons but the amount of stuff in it is on par. And ours is usually fresher too. (Fresher than what I saw when I went to the states, too. Dear USA, you seriously have an issue with processed food. Get some help. The amount of corn syrup you add to your salad is enough for it to constitute a dessert here in Europe. Bread should't taste like cake damnit!)
I only ever really remember 1 time I saw empty shelves, when we ran out of chicken for a week because the chicken truck had an accident and Covid made hiring a new trucker a bit harder. And that was enough of a deal that the shop made a communicate about it on social media. But we still had pork and beef, so that only changed my plans slightly for like, 4 meals. Really I only remember it because of the memes. I sure as shit have never had issue finding decent food.
Seeing all the third worlders acting as if the only way to explain it was CIA glowies stocking the shelves makes me wonder where the fuck do they live in and how the fuck is their economy bad enough that such a glowop would ever happen. If the CIA got called to stock our shelves they'd wind up standing around staring at wagies wondering why the fuck they got called to begin with.
What is it about Yurops that makes them forget how to feed themselves the instant they touch down in the States? That or they insist on grocery shopping at convenience stores and wonder why they can't find produce.
>The amount of corn syrup you add to your salad is enough for it to constitute a dessert here in Europe
What fucking candy salad are you eating? Make your own like an adult.
>Bread should't taste like cake damnit!
Buy the bread without sugar in it, it's on the shelf next to the ones that do, or failing that in the bakery section. Or the local bakery if available.
You remind me of a retarded Dane I had to listen to on Apex teamspeak complain about the Arizona vacation he and his family took during which he claimed they were unable to locate vegetables in an entire city and were reduced to going to a Subway and ordering lettuce without bread.
>live in poorest and most corrupt european country
>not even in EU or NATO
>most people will walk out in disgust if their local supermarket doesn't have at least 4 kinds of fresh breakfast pastries available
at this point i can't even imagine how someone could do worse than us, we're literal a shitpost in country form - and even we can have freshly stacked meat, fruit, veggies, baked goods (not to mention aisles full of refined shit) in even our off-brand supermarkets in tiny towns.
Have been to an American grocery store before? They're giant and full of copious varieties of boxed junk.
I've literally never seen an empty shelf before. Why wouldn't you keep your shelves stocked?
There's always little wagie goblins scooting carts around all day refilling the shelves, because customers can't buy shit that's stuck in the back.
There were empty shelves around COVID, mainly for toilet paper and shit. But that resolved in a month or so.
There are many short term shortages due to extreme increased demand in localised areas everywhere, but the thing is it's short term.
By it very nature the prices increase in that location, and thus they get allocated the product first next. If there is a larger shortage, production. increases because otherwise someone else will make all that extra money.
There is an economic incentive to keep things stocked quickly throughout the entire process, and also to make the process efficient.
You do not get that in communist utopia's, or at least not yet.
Funnily enough I think AI based resource allocation is actually possible nowadays, so I can't imagine people would suffer the same if we had some from of communism, until the world eventually outstripped it by being more efficient. At that point you've just offloaded the work to machines though so is it really gommunism.
Once the human is obsolete though, socialism to some extent will literally have to exist or we wont. We already allocate work to machine slaves right now after all. What happens when all the work is handled by machines.
>I imagine CIA morons backflipping into action and rappelling from black helicopters because someone dared to imply America isn't some golden god.
That's funny, I was imagining them backflipping into action and rappelling from black helicopters to store the shelves of a fucking grocery store, as per your delusion.
>move move move! get those Cheetoes (tm) in position stat!
>the target has almost arrived at the destination, we're not gonna make it!
>goddamn it! okay, we can still do this, according to our profilers he's going to make a beeline for the icecream aisle. reassign the A team on that and make sure it's perfect so we can take the photo.
>sir, the crate with the non-alcoholic beers has been damaged during the airdrop!
>ah, it's fine, he's not going to visit that anyway.
This is what thirdies actually believe.
You know what?
Yes, it was a psyop. The genome soldiers successfully planted the Doritos, and as a result, communism was defeated.
zigger went real quiet after that, lel.
moron, I have been to an American grocery store. I go to an American grocery store every week. They all look like that, all stocked to that level. You aren't going to convince me that this grocery store was actually experiencing shortages of this crap and the government had to step in to make it look like this is how the grocery store normally is.
I've been to an American grocery store too, it's full of obese mexicans. Although this was in an obscure hick town known as Los Angeles.
IIRC he expected that sort of Potemkin village ploy so he purposefully took a detour on his trip and paid a surprise visit to this random grocery store.
In truth it looks perfectly unremarkable to me, any proximity store in my small city looks like that too, hell that's what stores look like in Eastern Europe now too. I'm sure they must have cleaned it up a bit and arranged the shelves for the photo op but it wasn't "staged".
This has got to be b8.
Yeltsin specifically made an unplanned detour because he didn't want some propagandist staging it to make a grocery store look better than it was.
He knows that he is lying
You know that he is lying
He knows that you know that he is lying
Yet he continues to insist that American grocery stores don't look like that.
>HE INSULTED OUR JUNK FOOD VENDORS! DAMAGE CONTROL! MOVE! MOVE!
>it was staged
>no it wasn't
> LE DAMAGE CONTOL!1!!
it was staged, nobody just wanders off-tour in the world capitol of mass shootings
Keep saying telling yourself that thirdie. Nobody in the West is going to be convinced that they secretly don't have groceries stores exactly like that (or often better)
You don't understand, it's entirely believable the head of a rival state would just wander into a random unsecured place in a foreign country. Remember when Trump stopped at that North Korean teahouse?
I know this is difficult for you to reconcile with your prejudices, but America is actually a pretty safe place
The current most perpetuated headline in America right now is a white supremacist mass shooting in Texas.
I know this is difficult for you to reconcile with your prejudices, but America is actually a pretty safe place
Not the Trump verdict?
You keep outing yourself. Mass shootings weren't a thing (in the news) during the Yeltsin era, retard.
You out yourself as a thirdworlder that has never seen a western grocery store, lmao
>stocked shelves and shitty frozen foods has to be a CIA ploy
Where the fuck do you live
Yeah, the context was that after Yeltsin did the official visit to a store in the D.C. Metro he was talking smack with his American liaisons -- something to the effect of "oh, come on! We ALL prep stuff to look better than it really is; don't bullshit a bullshitter!"
So they told his entourage they could pick a random highway exit of their choice and walk into any supermarket they wanted. Yeltsin genuinely believed he was calling their bluff right up until the penny dropped for him.
It's hard not to feel a little sympathy when you look at the photo. That's the look of a man who just realized that the West wasn't lying to cover up because they didn't need to cover anything up. That decades of Soviet neglect and shortages were all for nothing.
In photos, he never looks quite the same afterwards.
>Surely the US is lying about their war production, since everyone else is too-ACH!!!
imagine believing fairy tales invented by the cia
10/10 bait, made me take pics of my grocery store trip
Like what? The existence of some "Soviet Union"?
Because I can't find one on Google Maps. They don't even seem to have a homepage or anything.
bro it was literally an unplanned visit to a local grocery. You can go and see it to this day https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/houston-matters/2020/02/21/361467/boris-yelstins-1989-visit-to-a-houston-grocery-store-is-now-an-opera/
>Yirga told Houston Matters producer Michael Hagerty (in the audio above) it was just an ordinary Saturday — until the phone rang in the courtesy booth. He says the store only had a 10-15 minute warning that he was coming.
This is called a primary source. I am citing it to simply giggle at your bullshit on a Wantonese Soup Making forum.
My parents (raised in an ex-Warsaw country) told me about how Soviet propaganda would show "bread lines in Paris" and shit like that, implying shortages, in fact it was people lining up for the most high-class bakery in Paris and their famous croissants that sell out about as soon as they open.
There's also some who claim that Russia only ended up in poverty because of the collapse of the USSR, obviously not considering why it collapsed in the first place if everything was fine up to that point (and going by Viktor Belenko's defection and experience adjusting to life in the USA, it was already like that back in the 70s and presumably earlier)
What kind of vassal refuses to pay the bare minimum? Which is what most of Europe was doing before Monke chimped out
>joining nato = becoming a US military vassal
the functioning world does not work like your extended family of gangster alcoholics sergei. big reason your "little brother" ukraine is getting away from you is that they want to be with normal human monkeys
Yeah because its not like the EU already has military presence in the Pacific and has opened a chair for military coordination with japan specifically. Right?
>Check the Author.
Japan is honorary white (European) nation with great importance to first world (anime), defending Japan against mongol-maoist hordes is a honorable venture to partake, I would gladly join it (I like to wank off to depraved hentai).
The French are still retarded, more news at 11.
>It's not like Europe could or would help Japan in any military issue.
The UK could and probably would, and it's the only credible European naval power besides the French (who are unpredictable cowards) and Italians (unlikely to get involved).
You probably need a specialized Pacific defensive alliance + US + UK that excludes parasitics from the NATO alliance.
Nato is for containing Russia - and Japan fits there
for China different pact would make more sense as most EU countries would be useless
I think the Americans want us involved so we'd hit the Chinese in their economy or something? Speaking as an European I don't really want that, though.
They could help economically and logistically
>Jupiter has spoken!
>Europe stands down!
>We've already heard Macron saying that Europe should stay out of China's territorial claims.
Then all of Europe called him a dumb fuck, and the ambassador from China stabbed him in the back not a week later by saying a bunch of European states aren't real countries.
>started a war to prevent NATO expansion
How's that going on?
They can't though. Last time I checked Japan is neither European nor does it have territories adjusted to the Atlantic Ocean.
You don't need to be in NATO to have a liaison WITH NATO. Many countries are protected without being partners.
>Rename it to the Democratic Defense Force
What would you guys rename NATO to, if it wasn't restricted by geography and anyone who is cool could join?
The Anti-Communist Pact
>The Anti-Communist Organization
Defense Institution for the Multilateral Multiplication of Allied Democratic Organizations for the Masses of Earth
>New Initiative (of/for) Global Geopolitical Extensive Resistance
The Global Defense Initiative.
Kool Kids Klub
>Wordlwide Organization for Order and Democracy
>Kinship of Nations Opposing Bolshevism
>Worldwide Harmony Associated Nations Guard
>Treaty of Allied Democracied Guaranteeing Emancipation from Repression
>Security Cooperation Harboring the Liberties of Organized Nations Globally
>Defense Organization of Nations on the Globe
>Peaceful Union of Societies Seeking Independence Egalitarianism and Serenity
>Freedom Alliance Governing Global Operations against Tyranny
never seen "tadger" before
Alliance of Nations with Drinkable Tap Water
Pacific Ocean and Trans-Atlantic Treaty Organization
Does this mean Ireland and Belarus join?
No, it means that Ireland will never join
It means Peru joins
EDF EDF EDF
TO SAVE OUR MOTHER EARTH FROM ANY ALIEN ATTACK
Globohomo defence force
>Last time I checked Japan is neither European nor does it have territories adjusted to the Atlantic Ocean.
With the amount of former Eastern Bloc nations in NATO I'd be willing to bet that at some point in the next several years they'll use their growing leverage to try and push through a vote to change the NATO charter so that it expands its scope to the entire planet
Pretty sure it doesn't work like that, everyone has to agree, no matter how much America might want to just use NATO for everything and put everyone in a single treaty organization.
Use slightly modified Taiwan plan.
fuck that, bring them into the baltic. They are like honorary balts with all that anti-commie history
Oh fuck, I'd visit once a month to get my fill of lu rou fan and beef noodle soup.
Yeah but then it'll be cold and shitty.
SEATO is dead, what would the new alliance be called?
South Pacific Treaty Organization? (SPTO)
Pacific Defense Organization? (PDO)
Japan and Australia Collaborative Operations Front? (JACOF)
Global Defense Initiative
IPTO - Indo Pacific treaty organization
Inter-National Treaty Organization
Just like my animus
Makes you wonder if Taiwan could open an office too. It would be like their informal embassies around the world.
World Mutual Alliance for Freedom (WMAF).
Due to constitutional limits, the Japanese participation in this alliance is known as the Japan Military Committee Force (JMCF).
Strategic Alliance Treaty Organization (SATO), its gonna be NATO + Japan, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand
probably gonna be based on some Strategic Alliance Treaty that guarantees not only a defense umbrella, but also more open markets/flow of people/investments/developments between free democratic countries
you only need to change one letter and it also sounds like a japanese name, i kinda like it
They should call it the Pacific American Coalition Organization then specifically exclude Mexico and anyone South of them.
I heard Brazil want in NATO.
>I heard Brazil want in NATO.
If they want to lie down with dog sin BRICs then they have to accept they have fleas all over them and stay in the doghouse
Br here, not really, the government wants closer relations in order to sell more weapons, but membership is very unlikely, especially with the commie president
they should just all it PATO!
NOT LIKE ZIS XIRS
A worthy get.
Official motto: "fuck you, we do what we want"
>Official motto: "fuck you, we do what we want"
Alternative: "It's our world, you're just living in it"
God I love being a white Anglo.
"walled" yeah buz we don't want you in it. now git! a.k.a tap water countries
>United States-Mexico barrier
>High security border zone
Holy shit finally
For fuck's sake when do they drop the NORTH ATLANTIC part so they can get us and our retarded brothers to the east in on the fun?
It will always be NATO.
Yeah well as long as it is NATO they can't get us, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea. Fuck it, let's throw Brazil in too once they exit their "socialism is cool" phase and realize it's only making their lives even worse
>once they exit their "socialism is cool" phase
were you paying any attention to Bolsonaro at all? Lula is basically just a pendulum swing in the other direction. the primary barrier to an alliance there would likely be the "America bad" sentiment common in Latin America across the entire political spectrum, but that's easy enough to fix on the US end if you just keep the CIA under control and approach Latin America with a similar goal to post-war Vietnam-US relations, i.e. making direct efforts to repair rather than control the region.
and don't let the pissy wealthy Cuban immigrant families in Florida control your fucking foreign policy
Shut the fuck up, commie
you misunderstand, "America Bad" is something you get from the Latin American political right, too - it's just usually slightly less overt.
i'm not saying i support it, i'm saying it's a bigger barrier to the countries aligning with the US or NATO more generally than left or right politics
Just a few years ago the US was again directly helping a coup against the Bolivian governtment. "muh CIA" or not, that shortsighted shit has poisoned the well for a generation against the US in latin america and a lot of europe.
It's a prime reason why Russian propaganda has worked so well there.
as far as i'm aware the Bolivian coup didn't have US support of any kind (apart from Donny boy issuing some platitudes along the lines of "good job not having a civil war") - it was just a consequence of Evo Morales trying to get a fourth term despite the constitution limiting him to two (he got the third because his first predated the constitution) and despite his party failing to amend the constitution to remove the term limit.
the US certainly didn't offer any support to the disaster that was the presidency that came after Morales
you're right, he shouldn't have called them wealthy
someone didn't pay attention in history
the Kremlin isn't very creative, a lot of the stuff they claimed the CIA was doing to them was stuff the CIA had done (or, more likely, had attempted but failed to do - seriously their competence has always been questionable at best) in Latin America under the direction of people like Kissinger. it's also not just the CIA, that's more a convenient shorthand - the NSA got in on this somewhat too (see: USS Pueblo incident) as far as "severe incompetence" is concerned and a lot of this was directed ultimately by the US State Department.
so i guess it is more accurate to say "keep the US State Department under control" because if you don't you get retarded incompetence like "coups for containing communism" followed by "oh shit why isn't the despot we installed loyal to us", or "let's give a ship to some 'intel' desk jockeys" followed by "oh shit why the fuck didn't they bring a competent navigator with them or even try to learn how to do it themselves"
Everyone knows about Operation Condor. Lots of people also know that it was mainly carried out by Latin American governments internally
>Lots of people also know that it was mainly carried out by Latin American governments internally
And who supported these governments in the first place? That's the thing that a lot of Americans don't get it and why commie propaganda keeps spreading around Latin America, US government acts as if it didn't have anything to do with the dictatorships it helped prop up
We supported these governments to fight the Cold War. Were we supposed to sit by and do nothing, like we did when Czechoslovakia was gobbled up by Stalin?
Doing nothing or even supporting the locals in many cases would have been better than being retards shitting up all oever the place.
Countries like Cuba or Vietnam could have been US allies without the US elite's shortsighted greed. Just look at Egypt and the US relationship.
By 1950, we were done doing nothing. Sitting quietly by supporting the free world without serious active measures against the communists had resulted in a series of absolute disasters
It was the other way around. The Korean war gave the power to greedy assholes that pushed hysterical propaganda that doomed the US efforts in many countries.
Retarded shit like the Domino theory in Vietnam or supporting british greed in Iran doomed both countries to become enemies of the West.
We're very lucky that at least the vietnamese aren't butthurt religious fanatics.
it cannot be overstated just how much damage to US foreign relations Henry Kissinger is responsible for. you can blame Nixon for enabling him in the first place, but you can't blame Nixon for how unfathomably retarded Kissinger remains long after Nixon was out of power
Off the top of my head the events in the late 1940s which lead to the US taking a more active stance in the Cold War include
>Soviet-supported marxist insurrections in European colonies
>Greek Civil War
>major Marxist unrest in Turkey
>fall of Czechoslovakia
>Soviet siezure of American nuclear secrets
>Soviet support of communist parties in the West
>fall of China
The real kicker is during the opening phases of the Korean War, American forces were actually outmatched. The US Army in 1950 was substantially smaller, less funded, and less advanced than the standing US Army from 1953 onwards. American pilots even had to use WWII prop fighters to fight powerful MiG-15s
I'm not arguing against fighting the Soviets and other violent commies, but a lot of trouble could have been avoided by just playing the game with a cool head and economic bribes. Cuba, Vietnam or Iran are good examples of letting greedy assholes run foreign policy until warfare becomes unavoidable when they could have become western allies or at least non-aligned.
The US was lucky that the USSR and China were just violent thugs or things could have been much worse.
I'm telling you your perspective is naive and rooted in hindsight. Korea and the other incidents cemented that the US needed to take a much more active role in countering communism, which had some rather unfortunate side effects, but ultimately worked put relatively well
>your perspective is naive and rooted in hindsight
nah, it's rooted at looking at what happened when the US was smarter like in Egypt. Greedy assholes used anti-communism as cover for their operations, dooming entire countries and the US into conflict without need when there were other alternatives. It's like comparing Desert Storm with the Iraq War occupation.
The Fruit Company or Kissinger and others like him were self-serving incompetent assholes that should never have been allowed to influence US policy
>pissy wealthy Cuban immigrant families in Florida
u mad, commie?
Is that illiterate gay running Florida a Cuban?
Would explain how that state is the same as Cali in insanity
That's what AUKUS is for, it's not like the rest of Europe could manage a logistics chain all the way to the pacific anyway (maybe France, but they're stretched as it is)
But we should always keep the current flag, it's aesthetic as fuck.
What if you just rotated it like this?
I was thinking if there's any change, just make the circular part red and keep the white outline.
there's already a circle in the middle for japan, why give up the two tone?
Okay get on this NATO don't let me down
now make it spin
its basically compass rose - not really connected to north Atlantic....
agreed. i also love the fact there's a broken, backwards swastika hiding in the shading
What if we did this to upset thirdies and commies?
Why would thirdies be upset about Beyblades?
I don't get it, why would anyone be butthurt about this?
Swastika makes barbarians upset.
New Allied Treaty Organization?
We won't even need new stencils.
Nations Against Terrorist Organizations
Japan and Australia new members for sure. After that Philipines, Thailand and Malaysia maybe. S Korea and Indonesia not that likely
Why not SK?
>t. Asking as a Filipino
>All the Japanese Anime show that the United Nations become the defacto future One World Government
>In reality it's NATO
We are living in what future historians will call the Unification Period or something.
"The multipolar world" is just a few butthurt countries and wannabe tyrants trying to get away with their bullshit, but they're doomed in the long run.
Who's the biggest NATO contributor?
Okay when does France go Electric Guillotinealoo and get rid of the retarded mommyfag? They always get so close and yet they never go all the way
Elections only in 2027, but he can't run again which is why he's going all out backstabbing and selling out everybody, he has to lick the shit-filled asses of his (current and) future masters nice and clean so he gets a cozy "consultant/general secretary" job or whatever at some multinational institution.
I think that a Western-Japanese alliance is a good idea, but what I like about NATO is that it is fundamentally an alliance of white nations (except for Turkey, but they're in there only for convenience)
I think it provides structure for increased military cooperation among white nations and I feel that admitting other nations in from across the globe would dilute that.
The average Turk is basically just a Greek with minor Turkic admixture and following Islam. If we accept Greeks as White then we basically accept Turks as White.
>The average Turk is basically just a Greek with minor Turkic admixture and following Islam. If we accept Greeks as White then we basically accept Turks as White.
>The average egyptian is basically just a turk with minor arab admixture and following Islam. If we accept bla bla bla
>The average ethiopian is basically just an egyptian with minor moron admixture and following even christianity. If we accept...
That is a cute pup. Would scritch
Wait a sec, why is Macron pro China, wtf is going on here.
Think it's more he's pro "don't put ourselves on fire to do something about a problem on the other side of the world" than anything.
I can't blame him, the fight over there looks like it's going to be nasty, and having an economic crash when we're busy trying to piledrive Ruzzia/the orcs into the ground could make us crash as well and then shit is fucked.
It'd be understandable if he didn't take absolutely cucked positions on Russia, too. But he did, so the simplest explanation is that he's just retarded.
He did at the start, yeah, but since then he has been sending supplies to Ukraine and shit, so on that front I can't really complain.
And the war isn't going to be over for a good long while (since Putin the fatfaced fuck keeps hiding behind nukes), and we have to keep stomping on the Ruzzians, the orc fucks need to go away already. So yeah, sorry but as an European, I don't think we're gonna help, our economies will already be straining and getting dragged into some shit in the Pacific sounds like insanity to me.
Kind of a pointless gesture.
Japan cannot join NATO per the NATO charter.
Meanwhile, their weapons, organization and other standards are real fuckin NATO.
They have a military alliance with the USA and de facto alliance with SK, UK, Taiwan, and Australia. To be honest, any conflict Japan becomes embroiled in will have full-throated NATO support.
Given all that, opening a "NATO office" seems pointless.
>Japan cannot join NATO per the NATO charter.
It concerns North America, Europe, or North Atlantic Territories (north of the tropic of Cancer) only.
Nothing is eternal under the sun
It's not really significant currently, no, but Japan has been considering renouncing pacifism and remilitarizing for a while, and this is probably meant to signal enduring loyalty to the Western bloc so no one can object.
>Japan announces massive increase in immigration to "fill workforce"
>suddenly allowed into NATO
wait Japan rolls in immigration? I thought of building home in Crimea in coming years but I might consider moving to Japan instead
If you aren't a Somalian or Indian you aren't getting into Japan
I'm honorary african (ukrainian), I might just get in
Why don't crawl to your hugbox, 4chantard?
Does anyone have an image like this that isn't weebish
"Post your grocery store shelves" is going to become the new "Post hands" or "Post wall plugs", lol
At least we can confirm when they're American, all their food will have this label on it.
Your butthurt doesn't change that the multipolar world is a pipedream, BRICS a failure, and that Japan will become a NATO friend in the SEA alliance against China's aggression.
Deal with it.
>“At least we're not DA JOOS!“
>starves to death
It's fucking hilarious how Africans and shit keep talking crap, bringing up their old anger and how they have issues with us. But they never seem to stop and think that maybe Europe and America could also develop grudges for what they say and how they act regarding the war in Ukraine.
>old anger and how they have issues with us. But they never seem to stop and think that maybe Europe and America
it's mostly Europe, european govs keep propping up dictators due to their bureaucracies, France is the worst with this
Nah mate there's definitely salt about Americans as well. Especially after the Cold War. Good God in Heaven you guys shed a lot of blood, built mountains of corpses, during those days.
>Good God in Heaven you guys shed a lot of blood
You mean all the dumb wars where euros supported anti-democratic rebels for trade deals?
Mate you can't be American and then hold your head high when it comes to invading countries for money. Chiquita alone makes that a joke.
Not entirely sure why you're even trying to start a fight over this.
nta but "the Euros continue to do the thing we're embarrassed about doing and no longer do" is not "holding your head high"
there is no fight being started, just you being retarded
nta but it sure looks like it's an attempt to shit on Europe when what started this was an expression of frustration about Africans talking about grudges but not thinking they could be the target of ones from how they're acting regarding Ukraine.
Looking it up, lot of shit going down in Africa is due to Wagner, so that's Russia that's to blame.
Latin America hasn't exactly gotten any payoff for what you guys did.
They aren't commie, that's more than enough.
I dont think their BRICS alliance with South Africa means literal morons are cheering for Putin, "ma'am."
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a chud.
people who jerk off the US government always are
At least it wasn't btfo'd by a grocery store lol
I think if anything can be blamed for the absolute state of you, it's too much food.
>please give me some, i'm starving
every time lmao
I know this is difficult for you to reconcile with your prejudices, but America is actually a pretty sa - *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *CHILDREN SCREAMING*
America is very safe! I was only shot twice on my way to work this morning, and one of those times was a mistake. Guy was aiming at a bird in a tree and pinged me with a .22
Nice fellow, he apologized and even gave me half of the bird for the trouble. Now both our families eat tonight. Maybe next week they go into woods and look for berries and nuts together.
Where the fuck do you live where groceries stores can't keep fully stocked? I see full groceries stores when I got visit family in fucking India
>go out to pick up my weekly 8 gallon butter drum (need it to make my monsanto veg palettable)
>betty next door got there first
>she's chatting up the store clerk, know she's going to take my shit
>dont hesitate and land a few hits on her with the .44
>her husband rounds the corner
>realize he brought the hawk semi-auto
>his 10 year old is there to provide suppressive fire with a marlin
>thinking this shit is gonna get traction on fucking PrepHole
bless your heart.
Didn't America want there to not be any NATO binding them to defend shit in Asia? But now they want to drag Europe in to help?
Just admit Japan, South Korea and Australia to NATO. Change the name of you must.
Australia pissed off France, I don't think you guys are getting in.
>France's opinion mattering at all in NATO
: ^ )
If Turkey can block countries from getting in, it'd be trivial for France to do the same. Australia's government should've probably thought of that before they started playing stupid games.
If France blocks Australia then they're being bigger babies than fucking Turkey. Turkey at least came around and realized that petty grievances shouldn't be considered in security matters
As a Swede, no they haven't, they're still not letting us in. Honestly don't think they ever will.
I think post Turkish elections they'll approve Sweden. Either Erdogan wins and he no longer has to appeal to the far right for votes in the short term or he loses and the opposition lets them in.
Eh I think it more likely Putin will slip some more money to that Danish dude to burn another book or whatever the fuck the monkey-faced shithead decides to attempt to make life worse for everyone in Europe next and then whoever is in charge in Turkey at the time will use it as an excuse to continue refusing entrance.
>excuse to continue refusing entrance.
here ive fixed it for you:
>excuse to continue demanding sale of more advanced weapons
Shut up Sven we're talking about Finland
We also wanted in but we're being denied, so my point is you can't say Turkey is being reasonable about shit, so I see Gotland at least as being under risk. Plus us not being in makes it harder to help Finland, I think?
I mean, let's be honest. Sweden is currently in the status of "wink wink nudge nudge" membership where even if they didn't get in officially almost all NATO members would come to their aid
The Swedes are protected by a defense treaty with the other Scandinavian states, which in turn are in NATO. While the letter of the law may not give you article 5, I have zero doubt that the US would immediately jump in.
>The Swedes are protected by a defense treaty with the other Scandinavian states
There is no such treaty.
>which in turn are in NATO
if such a treaty existed (it doesn't) it wouldn't pull in the rest of NATO by design.
Gottland not covered under art.5 umbrella is the real pita.
Yeah if Gotland was in, basically the whole Baltic would be lost to Russia, especially with Finland in as well.
Of all countries in NATO France is on even shakier membership than the Turks. But ultimately it matters very little as the US can always spin up a new Treaty Org with a willing Japan/Australia/SK.
Didn't you guys try that before, where you wanted to make SEATO or something? Only it crashed and burned.
>please don't do it again, it scares me
thank you for the endorsement, chang
Nah, go ahead. Just not sure if you guys will get better results this time compared to your previous attempt.
>Australia's government should've probably thought of that before they started playing stupid games.
I think it was something about Australia ordering some submarines and then fucking around so France lost a lot of money when they went back on the deal?
But that was AUKUS deal, and the US paid 2 billions to France for the deal as far as I remember.
Wait a sec, it's French.
Oh yeah. it's all coming together
France is welcome to leave NATO again if they don't like it, but it will make things even more pathetic when they come to the UK and US to beg for munitions to use in their latest African adventure as well as a ride down there.
Keep seething frog
The French are retards
Having Japan as an ally when your focus is in Europe is a great idea.
>In the Pacific
>trying to joint the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
>the changs and the vatniks will be seething now
NATO? More like NATSOC fucking white supremacist racist nazis
wtf i love NATO now
You guys do know that the BRICS thing was never an actual alliance or anything, right? It wasn't ever planned to be one, it was just some economist talking about how this group of countries was growing quickly.
So was the EU
There was a political element there from the start, while BRICS aren't even an official organization, it's just a classification of a group of countries.
>There was a political element there from the start
No, not so far as in exceeded the formation of a unified market and common currency
>while BRICS aren't even an official organization, it's just a classification of a group of countries.
They hold a yearly summit, what the fuck are you smoking?
The EU was explicitly a alliance from the start and its members are very close to each other, economically, culturally and physically.
BRICS are just an economic forum of convenience where three members distrust or hate each other, and the other two are far away and can switch sides easily (and probably will do it for their own good)
>The EU was explicitly a alliance from the start
It came about from the European coal and steel community, the whole purpose of it was to be political as well as economic.
Technically every single US overseas base can function as a staging base for US allied forces (including NATO) in conflict.
Why is this thirdy so butthurt?
Not part of NATO and never will be.[spoiler] Until it's too late
>“The reason why we are discussing about this is that since the aggression by Russia to Ukraine, the world (has) become more unstable,” he said.
yeah bullshit lmao it's because of china. there's a reason why japan has been rearming lately and it sure as hell isn't because a few fields in ukraine were taken.
Japan is preparing for Hokushin-ron. I can guarantee this with 100% certainty, my uncle works for Nintendo.
He does? Tell him they need to make Zelda wear yoga pants, I need more cooming in my life.
It's just an office, they aren't actually going to join, guys.
>North Atlantic and Pacific Treaty Organization
>just an office for improved cooperation with NATO countries in case a major conflict erupts in the area
>nothing like a membership
Could be kinda misleading if you don't specify it.
Improved cooperation stuff is nothing new. NATO did that with Finland for decades.