I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine. This is the answer, at the moment.

I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.

This is the answer, at the moment. Even in the event of a massive drone swarm attack (a 100% certainty this will happen), you just activate the local militias to head outside and shoot down every drone you can.

No other system can defend against a future drone swarm attack that will happen.

Shotguns are the future for C-UAS

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If shotguns became a threat, drones could just switch to high altitude grenade drops and other attacks instead of close range. Close range is just for the video footage you psychopaths love

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >high altitude grenade drops
      Accuracy would be 1000 meters if you did that, lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Time most grenade drops videos. They're 300-500 meters, FAR outside the range of a shotgun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For that they should have anti-air 40mm grenades

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At that point it’s really just time to put the Wehrmacht LARP into full effect and get the old Flak 88s out of storage.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          far outside of shotguns as they are. the niche here is literally just casting a wide net, basically. the m2 could be made to fire pseudo shotgun rounds easily, and throw a fricking wall of lead even at that distance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >300-500 meters
          No they aren't, most of them are 15m-30m high, the highest you'll ever see is right at 100m. Which is far outside of shotgun range so OP is still moronic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, he's right, time it. From the flinch of the grenade release to hit. Physics don't lie.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              but he's an illiterate moron, why would he bother with shit like
              >measurements
              and
              >math
              when he could make shit up?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Physics don't lie.
              I'm a Physic, and I lie.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have timed them, and done the math to back-calculate height. They're usually surprisingly low. The ones you see dropping into a foxhole with a mobik are typically only 15-30m up, the ones that are dropping from 100m-ish heights will hit in the general vicinity of a squad. Accuracy drops off *fast* with altitude, wind speeds are typically faster the higher you are.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No chance lmao. Do you understand just how small something looks from 300-500 meters? Majority of people can’t hit shit with iron sights at 500m. You think they are nailing vatnike from that height? You are moronic.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They're 300-500 meters,
          I hate this fricking place and the morons it has attracted

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why wouldnt you just use one drone to guide a laser and another to fire a ballistic missile to take down entire enemy military base?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shoguns have shit range vs. drones.
    Meanwhile, most morons on this site never shoot their shotguns at moving targets at all, having zero ability to hit drones, assuming they even see them in the first place.
    Even if this board were filled with world-class wingshooters it wouldn't matter given the range and capacity problems. Stop making this thread you fricking idiot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alright dude. When the 10,000 strong drone swarm attack happens, what are you going to rely on? There is no system being developed to defend against that. Say goodbye to our substations. Everyone should have a shotgun and given state funded training to defend against drone swarms.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what are you going to rely on?
        Not a 12ga, no way I can fire that many shells.

        > There is no system being developed to defend against that
        Doubt.jpg, and that doesn't make shotguns suddenly effective. Even if you could hit them they just need more drones than you have shells. If you did want to take out drones with guns, which seems rather silly compared to using jamming or lasers, larger caliber guns with prox fuzed shells (classic AA), or mini-CIWS that uses radar to walk rifle rounds onto target make a ton more sense, if for no other reason than range and the ability to carry more ammo in a given space.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >jamming
          You can't jam 24/7
          >lasers
          Not powerful enough and fuel costs too much

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't jam 24/7
            You can't shoot 24/7 either.

            >Not powerful enough
            Citation needed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't jam 24/
            Why?
            >Not powerful enough and fuel costs too much
            There's a youtuber who makes hand held laser devices that could kill you dead in a matter of seconds. And he makes them out of junk parts he gets off ebay. Any government with a substantial military budget would have no problem making such hand held devices if drones ever became that much of a threat.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why?
              Jamming outputs a ton of power by design and is basically a big "hey I'm over here, kill me please"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Canister shot. Maybe the cannanon was onto something… cannons really are the ultimate SHTF weapon!

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.
    >I've seen
    Lmao, me too, along with hundreds of videos of drones being shot down by well-aimed farts! I seen it!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      boomers leave

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Schizophrenics leave first

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.

      may we se them?

      Let's just say that I'm pretty up to date on my Ukraine /k/ino, but even I haven't seen more than probably 5% of all the footage coming out of Ukraine.
      It's possible there's some renegade ersatz battalion out there comprised of old fudds and farmers that got trained in drone warfare.
      Just twelve geezers with double barrels shooting into the sunset.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.

    may we se them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hid them in a compilation of fart videos. It's like a needle in a haystack now, good luck anon

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the US it's illegal to shoot at drones, so when the drone swarm happens you're defenseless. Not that shotguns would be very effective anyway. Also, it's illegal to use RF jammers and to capture GPS data from the drone, so you won't be able to easily find the operator. If I was an evil world ruler I couldn't design a system to protect drones better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >illegal
      Let me tell you something. The US would revoke any bullshit law if it meant protecting our national security. If we needed militias to be on standby to activate RF jammers, they'd legalize it.
      Time to stop treating citizens like insider threats and start treating them as the first line of defense against drone swarms.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I believe the fed.gov and plenty of state.gov agencies will be the ones flying the drones. In fact they already use drones to surveil. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of perception -- there's a lot of people who need surveilling (if not outright killing). I wish things were different, but shit's fricked up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >US would revoke any bullshit law if it meant protecting our national security
        The border says "hi"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Self defense isn't illegal.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what would be the best ammo to take down a mavic or fpv drone?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      in a few months I'm actually going to set up some tests and report back on that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3.5” tungsten 12 gauge. Go as low gauge and high charge as you can; a punt gun with tungsten would be best, hypothetically

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what would be the best ammo to take down a mavic or fpv drone?
      7.62x51RFN, out of a machine gun. It's time for AAMGs to come back. And even that only covers the lowest and closest drones, everything else is gonna need

      automated CIWS style thermal/audio/motion sensing turret with a 25mm VT airbursting autocannon/chain gun. perimeter arrary of audio sensors to arm the turret, dual band radar to locate and track targets in sequence like a sam battery does. 1-5 shots per drone. Scale number of guns and sensor redudancy to the importance of the target and number of drones likely t be sent against it.

      You could do everything I am discussing by kitbashing exisitng systems for virtually no R&D cost.

      Gepard style flak tracks have been effectively denying airspace to drones for near two years now. All thats need doing is to scale the system down a little and mount it on a trailer or static mount instead of a tank.

      we already have CRAM and it takes way less dakka to shoot down a drone going 50kph vs an incoming missile/shell going 500-3000. Theres nothing magical about drone intrusion, they are easy to destroy, most places you seem them succeeding just have no relevant defensive systems.

      The answer isnt shotguns its radar guided 25mm flak, which already exists everywhere.

      or better

      [...]
      Let's just say that I'm pretty up to date on my Ukraine /k/ino, but even I haven't seen more than probably 5% of all the footage coming out of Ukraine.
      It's possible there's some renegade ersatz battalion out there comprised of old fudds and farmers that got trained in drone warfare.
      Just twelve geezers with double barrels shooting into the sunset.

      No. Slap yourself for even contributing to this shotgun nonsense

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.
    this is the part where you post them.
    but you won't, because it didn't happen.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    best thread on /k/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Board must be shit right now if this garbage is the best thread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Board has been shit since Russian invaded ukraine.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The board has always been shit, you were just young and hopeful.
          Now you're just old.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At least before the invasion threads could be fun.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All it is now is endless drone footage.
              But I still tune in.
              I need my daily dose of manmade horrors beyond my comprehension.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There are still fun threads.
              This is just a middling thread.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do 12 gauge flechettes have a longer range than buckshot? Would they be able to reach out and hit drones?
    >Old project SPIW shit finally sees use as anti-drone weapons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not really. flechettes in shotguns never made sense. they were probably a result of 1970s guys thinking 'we have these leftover bits from artillery and rocket experiments let's throw them in a shotty for fun.'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not the range that's the problem, its the dispersion. Flechettes are worse for that simply because you can get fewer of them in a shotshell. It's possible that you could pull off 100m with a well-designed TSS load, those pellets retain energy extremely well and pattern insanely tightly, to the point where the .410 (!) works great for turkey out to 50 yds.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    automated CIWS style thermal/audio/motion sensing turret with a 25mm VT airbursting autocannon/chain gun. perimeter arrary of audio sensors to arm the turret, dual band radar to locate and track targets in sequence like a sam battery does. 1-5 shots per drone. Scale number of guns and sensor redudancy to the importance of the target and number of drones likely t be sent against it.

    You could do everything I am discussing by kitbashing exisitng systems for virtually no R&D cost.

    Gepard style flak tracks have been effectively denying airspace to drones for near two years now. All thats need doing is to scale the system down a little and mount it on a trailer or static mount instead of a tank.

    we already have CRAM and it takes way less dakka to shoot down a drone going 50kph vs an incoming missile/shell going 500-3000. Theres nothing magical about drone intrusion, they are easy to destroy, most places you seem them succeeding just have no relevant defensive systems.

    The answer isnt shotguns its radar guided 25mm flak, which already exists everywhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you do when that shit gets jammed or otherwise incapacitated?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The same thing you do when your ears are jammed by loud noises and your shotgun is incapacitated by frost or mud.

        j/k the CIWS can be set on full automatic with networked sensors and remote activation unlike your shotgun.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shotguns are the future for C-UAS
    Nah, just a temporary solution.
    I can almost guarantee that there's some company out there developing a air-burst proximity round for all NATO 40mm grenade launchers.
    Something like pic related with air-burst proximity rounds would be a drone operators nightmare.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Google L-MADIS. 30x113mm HEAB prox fused is the current last-ditch kinetic effector of choice.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nah, just a temporary solution.
      Not even that. They're worthless outside of the closest ranges, and even within those super-close ranges the humble service rifle is better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m mainly wondering if the civilian-equivalent 37mm launchers can have rounds adapted for anti-drone purposes. They already shoot airburst-fireworks over 100m into the air, surely we can modify them for anti-drone purposes

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about smaller, cheaper, drone-seeking drones?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen a single video of a shotgun used against a drone in Ukraine. Care to post one OP?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are three or four floating around. IIRC only one involves killing a drone. Dumping an AK on full auto is the preferred anti-drone point defense.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There are three or four floating around
        No there aren't.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've watched that many in the last 2 weeks. So that's the lower bound, sweetie.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you haven't.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Seeethe and mald buddy.

              ok, post two videos of drones being shot by shotguns in Ukraine.
              since that's less than the total number that you've seen you'll have no trouble providing them

              I'm not pro-shotgun, I don't care I'm just telling you what I've personally watched. Read a L-MAIDS brochure idk.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                damn, that's crazy how the things you say exist don't. it's almost like you are making things up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't believe your own eyes! -t. gaslighting
                You added 'almost' as a weak attempt at sarcasm but it was a Freudian reveal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My eyes haven't seen any such videos

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You haven’t shown any videos for anyone’s eyes to see.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's ok bud, I wish it was real too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ok, post two videos of drones being shot by shotguns in Ukraine.
        since that's less than the total number that you've seen you'll have no trouble providing them

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no other system
    I think the natural progression for less advanced nations is probably a mini CIWS system using something like pic related on a sentry gun set up.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's times like this I look forwards to the return of flak guns. Praise the holy wall of flak, blessed be its name.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Then do you mind posting one to confirm your statement?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what size pellets is best for drone warfare? im thinking BB size steel shot for range and penetration am i wrong? buckshot would have too few pellets and birdshot would bounce off hard plastic at range past 25 yards

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what size pellets is best
      wrong question.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BB size steel shot for range and penetration
      steel has lousy external ballistics. it's lacks the density of lead. I somewhat doubt they would have enough energy at range to do anything anyway. Think of how much pizzazz a BB gun carries to 100 yards.

      Is there a real life equivalent of video game shotguns, though? Or anything with a big spread?
      It's not like fricking up a commercial drone would require more force than an air gun or even an airsoft gun.

      sure, rifled shotguns make a humongous spread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tungsten goose loads would probably be the best commercial option available

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine.
    You have? I remember wanting to shitpost about that, based on the idea that video game shotguns would be ideal against drones, given their comically huge spread. So that's actually a thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen literally 1 such video, and it's not even conclusive that the shotgun downed it. There was a whole fireteam shooting at it, mostly with rifles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is there a real life equivalent of video game shotguns, though? Or anything with a big spread?
        It's not like fricking up a commercial drone would require more force than an air gun or even an airsoft gun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't want a big spread for dealing with drones.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have any experience with drones?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have any experience with shotguns? Real ones, not vidya.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I have experience with both, hence my point. Even a 10 year old shitty DJI commercial drone can move at ridiculous speeds, and while a real shotgun might be effective if you can track your target, it's not going to be effective against a drone that can move around in an unpredictable pattern.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So clearly not. Thought so.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Huh?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gentlemen. As much as I love shotguns..
    IM BRINGING SEXY BACK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >proximity-fused 25mm grenade launcher

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We all know it's the only real answer.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've seen way too many videos of drones being shot down with shotguns in Ukraine
    >scroll thread
    >no examples
    i literally do not believe you

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try to spot a drone flying beyond visual range above you (the range is dependent on size) and then attacking you from behind or above, good luck. The drone will always get through.

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