I've been taking Americans' gear recommendations seriously for years now and only now I find out that the big trails all the thru-hikers tal...

I've been taking Americans' gear recommendations seriously for years now and only now I find out that the big trails all the thru-hikers talk about just look like this

what the hell

this is just walking on a well-maintained road for a really long time

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yes, footing is the only important consideration when PrepHole

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/J3kU0ra.jpg

      Based shitposter, posting low effort obvious bait.
      See you at the 300 mark :^)

      https://i.imgur.com/BcFFqy6.jpg

      >poorly structured 3rdworlder seethe
      You'll be better at this if you calm down first, never good mind you, your geographic handicap will always be there, but you can be better.

      sorry i just really didn't know that even American hiking trails had to be navigable by mobility scooter

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        damn. epic shitposting, PrepHole bro

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        1. What do you think is going to happen with such a heavily trafficked trail?
        2. You would never make it the length of that trail on an unimproved surface.

      • 1 year ago
        Herbs

        Imagine shit taking the US and not posting your native country
        boring

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/LXLyICE.jpg

        that's what you get for taking anonymous advice. even outside of these boards, most people are weekend LARPers at best. you don't need 75% of the "gear" people say you need, just basic common sense survival skills, and minimalist gear. bubba and cleetus can "solo" all these trails in $20 rain boots and a t-shirt. going off-trail is where it gets interesting, otherwise you're just passing by tourists all day long on a maintained trail in the "wilderness."

        >muh off trail
        >off trail
        >hating trails
        i see this sentiment constantly on this board. it seems really bizzare to me... then i think back to the times i've traveled abroad and how tame the outdoors was compared to the places i've lived (wa, or, cali, nw territories, mexico)
        i think (sarcasm) maybe depending on region there might be a pretty big variance in what "off trail" entails... doesn't europe only have a single old growth forest left or am i mistaken?
        there's a certain romance to going places barely anyone or no one's been, but anons, off trail pretty much means macheting your way through blackberry bushes the whole time at snail's pace getting completely torn up and having to throw all your gear away after the trip. ill do it but you gotta give me a good reason. off trail also sucks dick places where there's venomous snakes. there's reasons trails exist. they're older than humanity. even animals make and utilize them.
        baka travel and get out more eurocucks. wild camp my balls toothless 4reigners.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Its just classic elitism done the autistic PrepHole way. Basically not like other girls but for people that think a hobby is the same as a personality. I like both. Theyre good in different ways. But it doesnt make you a pioneer badass when you say trails are for larpers or whatever the frick. Also im pretty sure people that say stuff like that go out the least.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          lmao, you burgers are such a fricking joke, trails are for leisurely strolls, if you're going PrepHole you're not going on a prepared trail, that's antithetical to going PrepHole

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >if you’re going PrepHole you’re not going on a prepared trail
            Something euros also wouldn't know about

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Depends where you are, but yeah, most of Europe is fricked

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >getting completely tore up and throwing away your gear at the end of the trip
          Wtf are you talking about?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I agree with your point in this post entirely, however on the other hand, I am absolutely one of those gays that will plow through waist high bushes slowly, painfully, awkwardly for a mile just to get somewhere for that romantic exploration element
          But that might be me just because the whole reason I go outdoors is because I have some kind of complex where I feel the need to be as independent, and have as much privacy as possible or om horribly uncomfortable, so obviously needing to be off trail is part of that.
          But yeah, like even wild animals use trails a big chunk of the time and maintain trails because it's so much less efficient and more dangerous to just go through the bushes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't europe only have a single old growth forest left or am i mistaken?
          Jesus christ dude.. It's too big to only have 1 old forest left.. I live in the netherlands and even we have a "forest" left.. it's small as fk, more like a bush, but it's still there..

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            "old-growth" doesn't mean old, fellow vriendelijke pannenkoek.

            The last old-growth forest is in Poland; Białowieża forest.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think that's the argument you want to make.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yeah there's only one old growth forest in all of europe. i don't even need to drive to be in old growth forest, my back yard's hiking trails lead to one.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Based shitposter, posting low effort obvious bait.
    See you at the 300 mark :^)

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >poorly structured 3rdworlder seethe
    You'll be better at this if you calm down first, never good mind you, your geographic handicap will always be there, but you can be better.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Get off the trail?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thru hikers usually do and they rent hotel rooms and eat 5000 calories of goyslop in one sitting. That isn't a solid thru hike yet every book written about the AT in the past few decades is by a LARPer.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        most hotel stays on pct are because of the wild fires in cali blocking you from advancing for a while.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick does this even mean? Im beginning to think no one on this board knows what larp means.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It means roughly the same as "hipster" used to mean : "anyone with unmitigated AUDACITY who does something in a way or for a reason I don't approve of."

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >average burger male weights 240lb
    >average burger female weights 210lb
    Dude they're all overweight and half the population is considered obese so what the well were you expecting? Their national parks are massive parking lots.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you've either not been to the parks or you're admitting that you don't really leave your car. either way, typical PrepHole poster

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't called national parking lots for nothing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >proving my point

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They get a lot of foot traffic so they look like that. Also these trails were made to walk between towns. Google has been hiking a lot of trails, they did in my city of 35,000, so look before you go.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Now you know why they tell you that trail runners are all you need when PrepHole.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I go down scree slopes in trail runners like I’m skiing, but go ahead and tell me I need boots cuz muh ankle support.
      Sorry, but I’m not some 300lb homosexual with weak ankles, and hiking boots aren’t stiff enough to stop you from hurting your ankle.
      Just go hike in modern motocross boots with integrated ankle braces if you’re that worried about your glass ankles and want a boot that’s actually stiff enough to stop an ankle injury

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    that's what you get for taking anonymous advice. even outside of these boards, most people are weekend LARPers at best. you don't need 75% of the "gear" people say you need, just basic common sense survival skills, and minimalist gear. bubba and cleetus can "solo" all these trails in $20 rain boots and a t-shirt. going off-trail is where it gets interesting, otherwise you're just passing by tourists all day long on a maintained trail in the "wilderness."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >bubba and cleetus can "solo" all these trails
      >implying those inbred morons can do 12h hiking days with their beer guts hanging.
      Lol

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they can though. the dudes work general labor jobs in the summer heat 12hours a day even well into their 50s or 60s. just because they have a gut from excessive alcohol doesn't mean they don't have endurance or strong legs that can go all day. just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. people who grow up outdoors don't have to have an PrepHole hobby like you because it's just normal life. you can do ad-hominem attacks all you want, but they were playing out there when they were 10 years old without supervision while you were playing with pokemon cards indoors.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Lots of projection there, redneck.
          Also none of those beer gut subhmans can keep with my pace.
          t. /rooner/

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit can we stop projecting this myth that every “rural” person in America is Kit Carson? The vast majority of rednecks spend their off time at the local watering hole and are incredibly out of shape from years of smoking reds and eating slop from Walmart and Dollar General.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I will if ppl stop projecting the myths of noble savage indians and poor unprivileged Black folk being astronauts and doctors

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it depends on what "rednecks" you are talking about. that's a problem with your semantics and worldview, not mine. the people you call "rednecks" are usually LARPers who live just outside of suburbia. I'm talking about real rural people.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >that’s the problem with your semantics and worldview, not mine
              Actually it’s the other way around frickhead. See what you’re describing is the exception, not the rule. Like I said most rednecks are fat morons. I’m not doubting the people you describe exist, but for every “bubba and cleetus” that can do the things you describe, there’s just as much if not more ultra fit marathon/trail runner urbanites who would absolutely smoke those dudes.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                oh yeah! ultra marathoners(who usually weigh like 130lbs soaking wet) would DEMOLISH a fat redneck. hilarious.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                In an endurance event? They absolutely would. Posts like this make me glad I grew up in a state that values education.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                they definitely woud

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                do you know what percentage of hikers are ultra-fit marathoners? you're deliberately being selective when the original debate was about the averag hiker. the point was that anyone remotely fit can hike your average public trails. any attempt to say otherwise just outs you as a shitposter or a salty unfit homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I never said marathon runners are the average, just that for every redneck as described, there are just as much if not more PrepHole trail runner types that would outperform them, which is true. The original point was actually that your average trailer trash is putting is outperforming the average day hiker by virtual of having a trade, which is untrue. I’m sorry you’re fat and moronic but living in some delusion that those things are somehow virtues isn’t going to help you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm actually not the original person you were arguing with. Seemed to me like they were saying the average manual laborer could do all the popular "trails" that are cleared out, and that you didn't have to be some unemployed giga-hiker to complete them. That seems pretty true, beer belly or not. I'm sensing that your delusions come from not having been to any of these places, so you think they are some Mission Impossible Hollywood movie type of shit. Either that or you are a onionsboy who watched "Free Solo" and plays Uncharted..99% of the population is nearly completely sedintary at least 350 days out of the year, to think that a laborer isn't the epitome of "physically fit" in comparion would be delusional.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >to think the a laborer isn’t the epitome of “physically fit”
                It’s not and you’ve never worked a trade

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If “could complete” is your standard, that’s an extremely low bar.
                A guy with no legs climbed Everest, it just took an entire team to do it.
                An 80yo grandma hiked the AT, it just took her three times the average length of time.
                Anyone who can walk can hike almost anywhere given enough time and the right supplies.
                Of course the average laborer is more fit than the average desk worker, no one is arguing otherwise.
                The contention comes in when that other guy claims that beer bellied Bubba is just as capable a hiker if not more so than the average hiker or outdoor enthusiast, with the reasoning behind that claim being that beer bellied Bubba works a blue collar job

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                bubba spent his life outside though, was probably doing the things you consider a "hobby" from ane arly age. you are not foundationally built the same. nu-males cannot compete.

                >to think the a laborer isn’t the epitome of “physically fit”
                It’s not and you’ve never worked a trade

                it is in this day and age. you grew up playing xbox while these guys put in 60hr weeks at 16.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you were saying Bubba could fish, or trap, or build a better bushcraft shelter, I would agree with you, but none of that matters when taking about fitness.
                If you’re a beer bellied fatass it doesn’t matter if you work a blue collar job or know how to run a trotline, you’re gonna give yourself a heart attack trying to keep up on any sort of uphill with someone of average fitness who hikes regularly

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you grew up playing xbox while these guys put in 60hr weeks at 16
                Kek I’m a fricking carpenter/upholster you dumbass and before that I was enlisted. You have an incredibly romanticized view of what “blue collar” people are actually like and it makes me believe you that’s because you have no experience in that regard.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > this is you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I go out more than you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                theyre going outside i dont see the issue here

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm an Asian?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There is no blue collar job that gets your heart rate into zone 2 to build endurance.
          I do siding, gutters, and windows, and you might think climbing ladders all day with a heavy work belt on would translate well to alpinism, but it doesn’t.
          It’s like 30 seconds of climbing and then 20 minutes of shuffling around on a running board, which does jack shit for cardio or endurance.
          Sure it’s way better than sitting in a chair all day, but you’re kidding yourself if you think a blue collar job means you can run up mountains or hike 20 mile days for months

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you don't need to be a serious athlete to do any of this shit though, that's the point. you just need to be remotely fit. people who work desk jobs and LARP can go do most of these trails if they have double digit IQ. being able to stay on your feet for hours translates better to this type of shit anyways, it's usally homosexuals crying about their feet hurting from a blister who tap out.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >remotely fit
              And you think dudes with beer guts count as remotely fit because they walk around a bit in between driving their truck to drive a skid loader or use a nail gun?
              Carrying sheet rock 20 yards every 15 minutes will make it easier for you to carry sheet rock, it will not condition you to hike 20 mile days.
              Blue collar work does not make you fit, you’re more likely to have chronic back pain and weird muscular imbalances from doing the same thing everyday than some office worker who gets up out of their chair every hour to stretch and do 10 push ups.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > t. deskcel

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >t. actual blue collar worker
                You need to be 18 to post here kid

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you press a button on a line in a climate conrolled warehouse?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Judging by the low quality labeling on the cheap toolbox, the Walmart "rugged blue collar" everyman thermos covered in escapist fantasy stickers of places he's never been to and gear that he won't ever use for its intended purpose, and his need to post this picture... yes, his life probably does consist of pushing buttons in some slave labor shithole dead end job. But he won't reply to this anyway.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Judging by the low quality labeling on the cheap toolbox, the Walmart "rugged blue collar" everyman thermos covered in escapist fantasy stickers of places he's never been to and gear that he won't ever use for its intended purpose, and his need to post this picture... yes, his life probably does consist of pushing buttons in some slave labor shithole dead end job. But he won't reply to this anyway.

                In the summers I do windows, siding, and gutters.
                In the winter that stuff isn’t happening, so I do basic repair work in a factory.
                This place was built in like 1920, so it’s way to old to be climate controlled.
                >cheap toolbox
                >Walmart thermos
                So now you’re bashing blue collar workers who aren’t richgay brand prostitutes who spend thousands a month at the snapon truck or buy the latest Milwaukee pack out coffee thermos?
                Go frick your self.
                >escapist fantasy stickers
                Wtf are you talking about?
                It’s a Yuru Camp sticker and some stickers I got for free when I ordered stuff from Dutchware and RBTR cuz I sew some of my own stuff.
                Sewed a new hammock this past weekend, pic rel

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude I unload trucks at costco and I'm sure I do more manual labor than you, and I would consider my jobs easy, shut the frick up. I've worked in factories like this, genuinely 90% of factory workers are basically part of an assembly line. I bet you stand still and screw the same 4 screws into a piece of paneling all day or some shit. Or weld the same 2 lines over and over.
                I always figured I was in real bad shape because I don't workout, don't do cardio, and smoke a half a pack a day, till I invited some friends with desk jobs out hiking, just to see that they were out of breath having to sit down every hundred feet while I just wasn't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The comparison wasn’t the average blue collar worker vs the average office worker.
                The comparison was the average blue collar worker vs an outdoor enthusiast.
                Of course your friends will have a harder time than you if their lifestyle is more sedentary.
                The point is that working a blue collar job doesn’t grant you magical hiking abilities like the other guy thinks 5’3” beer bellied Mexican roofers have.
                From what I can tell, he thinks that hypothetical guy would blow through the PCT, doing 30+ miles a day wearing nothing but a T-shirt and sandals

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Nig stop, cletus isn't going to hike 20 mile days, you're a delusional moron.
              cletus is driving his raised chevy as far as he can and then walk .5 miles to the waterhole. And then will lay all day on a chair because his knee pain is killing him.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                b***h please. not all labor jobs are the same. try being a low-tier guy on a framing team. the boomer makes you do all the lifting, carrying studs, heavy door frames, and sheetrock up stairs because they don't want you to scratch up the elevators. now try doing that literally all day long. guys who do shit like that would twist you into a pretzel in 10 seconds. you have no clue the kind of endurance and mentality it takes to stay in a position like that for years. been there and lucky to be out. you wouldn't last more than a couple of hours I can assure you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and the buildings I did this in were usually 10+ floors, most of the time working at least half way up. it's about as close as you can get to slave labor legally, hiking is a fricking cakewalk compared to that shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and the buildings I did this in were usually 10+ floors, most of the time working at least half way up. it's about as close as you can get to slave labor legally, hiking is a fricking cakewalk compared to that shit.

                No shit there are fit people who work blue collar jobs, no one said there wasn’t, but that’s not who the subject at hand was.

                https://i.imgur.com/LXLyICE.jpg

                that's what you get for taking anonymous advice. even outside of these boards, most people are weekend LARPers at best. you don't need 75% of the "gear" people say you need, just basic common sense survival skills, and minimalist gear. bubba and cleetus can "solo" all these trails in $20 rain boots and a t-shirt. going off-trail is where it gets interesting, otherwise you're just passing by tourists all day long on a maintained trail in the "wilderness."

                they can though. the dudes work general labor jobs in the summer heat 12hours a day even well into their 50s or 60s. just because they have a gut from excessive alcohol doesn't mean they don't have endurance or strong legs that can go all day. just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. people who grow up outdoors don't have to have an PrepHole hobby like you because it's just normal life. you can do ad-hominem attacks all you want, but they were playing out there when they were 10 years old without supervision while you were playing with pokemon cards indoors.

                The subject was beer bellied Bubba and Cletus having some magical hiking ability by virtue of them having a blue collar job and not sitting in a chair all day
                >they sit in their lazyboy all evening instead

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hiking is not that hard though, unless you're talking about the rare "hardcore" type of hiker... which would be strawmanning. general hiking only seems "hard" to people who live a sedintary lifestyle. everyone used to hike several hundred yeats ago. it's nothing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Idk what you consider a hardcore hiker, but the claim was beer bellied Cletus can magically hike at the same level as an averagely fit 20 something thru hiker, all while wearing $20 rain boots and a t-shirt, because Cletus has a blue collar job.
                >general hiking only seems "hard" to people who live a sedentary lifestyle
                That’s the Average 1st worlder in 2023

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I know fat mexicans who can go all day long, so like I said, having a big belly doesn't mean you are less fit than someone without. there are fat guys with lower resting heartrates than skinny guys. not all labor jobs are the same, so if you want to be picky about what I said, go ahead. I have guys I've hunted with that are fat and they can walk for miles and miles without b***hing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I know fat mexicans who can go all day long
                No you don't and even if you do, if they're fat, their pace sucks. No 60lb overweight 5'5" mexican manlet can keep up with a fit hiker no matter what you say.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >posts archaic can-crusher who could not survive in the more athletic and disciplined heavyweight division of today
                Wow you sure showed him

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >having a big belly doesn't mean you are less fit than someone without.
                Yes it does, keep coping fatass squatemalan

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            hiking 20 miles is not hard. maybe you are overweight? it's not a race. if anything, the only real taxing part is your thighs getting fatigued from inclines.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >hiking 20 miles is not hard
              >it’s not a race
              I’m talking about 20 mile days for months at a time, which is pretty standard for young and fit people who hike long trails.
              Your hypothetical blue collar beer gut guy is not capable of that, you are delusional if you think otherwise

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                that's not what anyone was talking about. people like that don't have jobs like 99% of people. just stop. nobody compared a manual laborer to a professional athlete. you can keep reaching though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the big trails all the thru-hikers talk about
                >no one’s talking about that
                Obviously you didn’t even read OP, and you are struggling to read what I say too, you just skimmed and started taking shit about things you don’t know.
                I never said anything about needing pro athlete levels of endurance.
                20 mile days are standard for young fit people on long trails.
                That’s not pro athlete levels; those guys are crushing 40-60 miles a day and pushing for FKTs or calendar year triple crowns.
                Can a beer bellied blue collar worker hike the AT?
                Sure, 70yo ladies have done it, but he isn’t gonna be averaging close to what a moderately fit 25yo dude will be; it would probably take him a whole month longer to finish.
                >bubba and cleetus can "solo" all these trails
                >implying those inbred morons can do 12h hiking days with their beer guts hanging.
                >>they can though.
                Totally delusional to think some beer gut guy could keep a pace like that for more than a couple days, let alone an entire long trail thru hike.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                slow and steady dude
                it's aint even a race lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It actually is in some ways. Some distances require long water and food carries where a minimum must be met for safety. Most distance hikers also try to plan timing based on seasons; that can be flexible with yoyoing, section hiking but applicable.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >dirt sidewalk
            It's like taking roads instead of driving thru people's yards. It protects natural areas from extra damage. Plus it's the easiest way to get to camping spots without losing your way even if it's only a couple of miles.

            hiking 20 miles is not hard. maybe you are overweight? it's not a race. if anything, the only real taxing part is your thighs getting fatigued from inclines.

            20 miles is 5+hours before and after lunch depending on trail. I could do that everyday if my pack wasn't heavy. Too much weight which heavy people already have before carrying anything would be bad but they are already use to it.
            I usually don't see big people at 2-3 miles in, that I remember at least.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >you were playing with pokemon cards indoors.
          Fatass cope
          Anime posters go PrepHole more than you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Anime posters go PrepHole more than you
            can confirm. need to bring some anime rep with me next time.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Can't confirm. You don't have any pics to prove it. You tried tho.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Y8JYbGw.jpg

                >you were playing with pokemon cards indoors.
                Fatass cope
                Anime posters go PrepHole more than you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kek. Fricking based.
            What altitude did you start at?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you can drive a jeep through most of the shit in the west, and in the east you're never that far from fresh drinking water. if you die in the us in a national park of anything other than falling off a cliff, you belong at a desk. the days of "survival" or "frontiersmen" are over and only LARPing remains.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > if you die in the us in a national park of anything other than falling off a cliff, you belong at a desk
      Because hypothermia isn't a thing?

      >the days of "survival" or "frontiersmen" are over and only LARPing remains.
      Maybe if you exclude the entirety of Canada and Alaska.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        hypothermia is a result of poor clothing and terrain research. aka common sense failure. you don't need a $300 jacket from REI, they didn't have those in the 1700s.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          When I see geargays sperging out I remind myself that Nanga Parbat - an 8000'er - was first-ascended in leather boots (pic related). Obviously improvements have been made since (the biggest one being waterproof & breathable fabrics) but most of it does indeed boil down to common sense.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >common sense.
            Common sense is only common to those who are experienced and knowledgeable. Which is to say, it's not all that common at all. Everyone has to start somewhere. No one is born knowing that cotton as a base layer is dangerous. No one instinctively knows how to read a topographical map. People's biggest mistake is overestimating their abilities and knowledge, and being above proper education.

            PrepHole is a perfect example of this attitude. How many times have you gotten in an argument with an anon who clearly has no idea what they're talking about, and yet has the hubris of an expert? Those are the sorts of people who you hear about getting lost and freezing to death in national parks alongside their entire family.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I'm just warning against geargayging because it makes people think expensive = good in general. you can buy budget clothing if you pick the right materials for the environment, doesn't even need to be hobby specific clothing.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              .
              >How often do you get in an argument with an anon that has the hubris of an expert but clearly literally no idea what they're talking about.
              Constantly. That is basically how I would summarize this board. It's driving me mad. Just people who clearly don't even have the self obvious knowledge someone who has done X thing once would need to have to have done it, spouting off randomly made up advice as if they were an expert.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Good job leaving out the fact they lost toes and whole chunks of their feet due to frostbite

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              they still do

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >8,000er
            I really hate that some gays misappropriated an American colloquialism to fit their own needs. It’s cringe.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > you don't need a $300 jacket from REI, they didn't have those in the 1700s.
          The jackets they wore in the 1700s in northern climates would have been made of fur and/or thick wool, which by today's standards would run in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but people shot the animals and made the coats themselves back then

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              What's your point? Most of us can't do that today, so we have to spend big money on equivalent gear to keep us warm. You can't just go buy a shitty $70 coat from walmart and think you're better off than an explorer from the 1700s because muh technology. Even today the warmest gear is made of natural materials, and shit's expensive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                not him but the actual point is that there are cheaper alternatives to real furs these days.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There really aren't. Even poor Mongols in Siberian villages wear expensive fur because that's the only thing that will keep them alive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                people that go the the himalayas or the poles dont wear furs; they wear down, wool, polyester etc. all of which is relatively cheap and gets the job done

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's because fur is too heavy for mountain climbing. They all wear top of the line down coats though, mixed with wool base layers and synthetic base/shell layers.

                >all of which is relatively cheap
                Down is not cheap. Good wool is not cheap.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Down is not cheap. Good wool is not cheap.
                It is compared to fur. And down is just a better insulator anyway.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Any jacket suitable for mountain climbing will run you over $300.

                >And down is just a better insulator anyway.
                False. Fur is the best insulator by far if weight and price aren't an issue.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just warning against geargayging because it makes people think expensive = good in general. you can buy budget clothing if you pick the right materials for the environment, doesn't even need to be hobby specific clothing.

                I think what you mean is that most people going PrepHole in America don't need super expensive fur or down coats because they aren't going to the arctic and will be able to stay warm by layering well using cheaper materials. I agree that it's hilarious seeing citiots on trails in their thousand dollar canada goose jackets when it's 30F out. But if your goal is to be warm in arctic-like conditions then yeah, you're going to be paying a lot of money on a high quality fur or down jacket end of story.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t think this is true. ‘Jack of all trades master of none’ has been recognized by humans since the beginning and every person typically has a specialty that contributes to the whole. What I’m getting at is that people have always had to barter for items so it’s not breaking your larp just because you didn’t hand make everything you’re wearing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you can drive a jeep through most of the shit in the west
      what does this even mean? You aint driving a jeep thru millions of acres of forests.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Come again?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The furthest you can get from a road in the lower 48 is like 20 miles
        so yeah, you can pretty much drive to any point and then walk the last couple miles

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Seriously. I say this and get called a larper who dosent go out, but like, look at a map. 15 miles from a road is maybe possible in like the frank church wilderness in Idaho, and sequoia in callifornia, and a couple deserts in nevada and that's about it.

          >you can drive a jeep through most of the shit in the west
          what does this even mean? You aint driving a jeep thru millions of acres of forests.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but those 20 miles aren't easy especially when you go off trail trying to navigate over and around deadfall, boulder slides, and marshy meadows

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I know this is bait but its true. I sued to work at outdoors stores and people would come in and I knew they watched Darwin on YouTube because they would be trying to buy what he recommended, except Darwin lives and hikes in California and we live and hike in Ontario. Saving weight by not having a bug net tent will not work up here

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      REI doesn’t sell the Zpacks Ultaplex. Darwin uses something like that because he’s really tall and a typical single wall tent is too narrow.

      And I’m not sure what you mean by “a bug net tent.”

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, this is luckily something I realized early when I was searching up youtube videos. Most of the people recommending stuff are americans, "hiking" paths where there's easily multiple other people they run into and camp together with. Like its borderline taking a walk downtown. You suddenly realize how so many of them get away with using light shoes and a pack weighing less than a schoolkid's backpack. If you follow their advice, and you live anywhere with a bit of cold, or with actual terrain, your bound to have an awful time.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Yuro
    >Google tourist traps
    >Be mad you showed up to a tourist trap
    A tale as old as time

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They are probably the most well know, and thus well trodden trails in the entire world, what did you expect?
    Did you expect for them to be all overgrown and and barely visible?
    moron

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You should see the trails in Europe, half of them are paved and the other half are paved roads with bus stops

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >cherry pick a valley on the PCT

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Anon from country the size of Maine is surprised when not American trails are the same

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I've been taking Americans' gear
    GIVE IT BACK!!

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No shit bro what did you think trail meant?

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You don't know what hiking is until you've hiked in scotland during summer. Weather that changes ever 20 minutes from torrential rain to sunshine, No visible trail, knee-deep in stinking peat bog getting eaten alive ticks and midges.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    me too, I did the same mistake. The gear just dont hold up outside of big trails and well prepared camp areas. But my bag is alot lighter now though, so i dont think its all useless. However, the trousers, shoes, jackets and less than 50l bags is made for camp to camp on a big trail

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      take the infantryman pill

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think euros know what that is Tbh.

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