Fruitlessly but not without point I kick off the argument with my proposal, the Fairbairn Sykes. For a poorfag option and stir controversy there's always the ColdSteel Counter TAC I.
ITT: We argue about CQC knives
Fruitlessly but not without point I kick off the argument with my proposal, the Fairbairn Sykes. For a poorfag option and stir controversy there's always the ColdSteel Counter TAC I.
i hear the grip of the sykes knife is actually kinda shit and i believe them. it seems way too thin for a fighting knife
Well I gotta say it's not actually as bad you think it's gunna be, although I have seen pics of some that damned thin, it's all about that swell, this design facilitates the transition of grips in case anyone was wondering.
Oh and from personal experience the grip on the CS Counter TAC I feels superb.
have you fought with it
I haven't killed anyone with a knife no. I do know how to fight with a knife however, I do practice knife fighting including the Fairbairn Sykes fighting style. I rather suspect that not a single person on this board has killed a man with a weapon of any kind.
The reason for their being less for the last fingers to grasp onto is straightforward, hardly any of our grip strength comes from those fingers and diminishing/sliming it facilitates transitioning grip.
Study Fiore's flower of battle in which Fiore brags he can kill just about anyone by wrestling their own dagger into themselves.
thats probably because lots of guys didn't practice wrestling or grappling.
A knife handle shouldn't be square, if it is the blade aligns with the second joint of your fingers and your hand will have to be rolled outwards exposing your wrist.
Awful.
That's why blades used by actual fighters are all rounded. The blade must face in the same direction as your knuckles if you are to use the blade with any serious force.
Best grip would be a rondel-type dagger.
Imo best knife is probably the rondel too.
The rondel type dagger has key disadvantages. It's profile makes it very awkward to carry, it can be difficult to draw because you can't just slide your hand down the handle, it limits your wrist movement somewhat, it has no bind so you're just going to get your knuckes slashed in a knife fight.
It was made for people wearing gauntlets, who could ice-pick because they were wearing full plate armor. Icepick fags get stabbed in the face because they've lost most of their reach advantage, they're almost certainly being knocked down because they're center of gravity is too high, they could be square kicked for example. And if they skewer someone's forearm they've probably lost their blade, leading to them being knocked down.
>it can be difficult to draw because you can't just slide your hand down the handle,
It’s not that difficult to draw.
You literally just reach around the backplate. Doesn’t cost any time.
And sliding your hand down the handle is a good way to lose your knife in a fight.
Rondel’s backplate makes it more secure for real fighting.
>it limits your wrist movement somewhat,
A rondel doesn’t interfere with what your wrist will actually be doing in combat.
>it has no bind so you're just going to get your knuckes slashed in a knife fight.
This is true.
A bind could be added to make the rondel design better.
But like you said it was mainly used with gauntlets, so that’s why you don’t see them much.
>It’s just an ice pick.
No it can be used for more than thrusting, and it doesn’t have to be held back-hand grip.
Imo you want to focus on thrusting over slashing because if you are in a situation where good thrusting is needed a slashing focused knife is going to suck, but in a slashing situation a thrusting focused knife will still do mostly fine.
Also I consider appealing to weapon reach a fallacy in a knife thread.
We could bicker back and forth about each other’s knives being to short in reach until it devolves into sword posting.
If you want to whine about weapon reach go to a sword thread.
>where good thrusting is needed a slashing focused knife is going to suck
Those situations are basically limited to when armor is in play which doesn't happen anymore. A slashing focused knife will stab just fine.
It is a big knife. The grip looks small because knife is big.
I want to buy one of these but I'm a cheapass.. wonder if the sheffields are any good.
"the sheffields"
My dude Sheffield is a city and it's been famous for steel and blades for centuries. Some knives marked Sheffield are going to be utter shite exploiting the name recognition, some are going to be the best you'll ever find. It all depends who exactly made it. If it's actually made in the UK to a high standard, it's not going to be cheap.
Same goes for Solingen.
And Toledo
The slight cant of the blade has long historical precedent; good design choice.
>wonder if the sheffields are any good.
Review (think the pre-sharpening wasn't quite up to snuff if memory serves):
you know the first famous knife used by jim bowie during the sand bar fight, was an actual french chef's knife that's thought to be about the same as a standard 8" sabatier knife of modern pattern
only later did he actually buy a commissioned knife with a clipped point and coffin handle, with a crosspiece or guard, which then later became known as a bowie knife but he didn't engage in any more big knife slaughters for the rest of his life with this new design
qrd the classic french chef's knife is the ultimate combat knife
Always kind of wanted a coffin handled Edwin Forest style bowie. The whole Bowie mythos is kind of interesting to delve into but it's a shit ton of boomer bullshit "research" to wade through.
i did the work for you, my qrd is the truth as far as I honestly discovered reading all the old accounts
BS.
While it is likely that the knife used in that fight was similar to (or even straight up was) 1 of 2 styles of kitchen knife nobody knows for sure and Bowie didn't commission the knife that made him famous, his brother had it made and even then it's been lost to time as have all of his subsequent knives.
This quick little fucker is intuitive, and probably the best knife design for super close quarters. If you can punch it, you can slice it.
Fucking meme knife.
return to tradition
gotta mit uns
fucking autocorrect
What do those go for and how do you find them?
First two are German WW1 trench knives, I got them from Apex Gun Parts a couple years ago for around $175 each
They still have some, but they are beat to shit. I got hand select on mine (when they still offered it) and sent the first two back because they were not as nice as I wanted
Larger one is an Austro-Hungarian trench knife, I won it in an auction for $110
Boker made the original and they have a commemorative reproduction but costs 300 and the quality just isn't there for the money, nice display piece though. I do not know where to buy a good German trench knife, wish I did.
don't buy from Apex, all the ones they have left are utterly trashed
look around flea markets and estate sales for people who don't know what they have
do your research beforehand, there are many fakes out there
picrel is a fake trench knife I overpaid for, I use as a letter opener
Thanks for the advice anon.
note when I said I overpaid I spent $45 on it
there are varying levels of quality on the copies, from shitty indian ones (like mine) to higher quality copies marketed at reenactors
the important thing is knowing what you are getting and what it's worth before you buy it
From my understanding soldiers weren't issued knives during WW1. So were these all one offs or did a company offer them?
German soldiers were issued the nahkampfmesser, or close combat knife
There were many patterns but they were all made under military contract
The Austrians also issued knives to troops
US soldiers were issued the M1917 trench knife, the iconic m1918 trench knife barely saw service in WW1 if at all
British and French troops were generally not issued knives, they either bought ones made by private companies for use in the trenches or fabricated their own out of bayonets or other things they had lying around
here's an actually good video from inrangetv about the subject
Karl was not openly a gay cuck at the time and actually tried making content
Yeah I got a pair too, kinda useless in the summer
And on that subject, the power in your grip is all from the top of the hand. The lower part of a handle should diminish considerably simply to protect the weaker fingers of the user from being snapped off. A full square handle actually forces your hand open at the pinky, seriously opening up your grip and risking someone simply snapping your pinkey off. If you buried your knife in someone's stomach, the chances of them snapping your fingers off are quiet high.
Sykes also taught the bolo, which didn't go down in history like the fairband-sykes, but probably has equal merit.
Like the khukri the bolo is a camp knife, used by expeditionary forces and pathfinders. It's basically a combat hatchet.
I speculate skyes taught these two knives because between them all technical forms of knife fighting could be covered.
I've carried and used both weapons, and generally prefer the bolo, because it scares stronger men into putting their arms up defensively which is basically a free arm.
Thoughts on the Case Besh Wedge?
wtf is that exactly?
Modern take on the V-42 stiletto, itself a version of the Fairbairn dagger.
it looks ugly and uncomfortable
Looks like something from Metal Gear Solid 4.
If you're willing to carry it, longer is better. Medieval daggers had lengths of 20-30cm, old west bowies or arkansas toothpicks were similar.The shorter length of WW1 daggers and modern combat knives is due to the cramped conditions of a trench and their use as utility knives, respectively.
A FS is too light for combat, it's a sentry removal tool. WW1 daggers were generally a bit sturdier.
If you want to do a bit more cutting and a bit less thrusting, maybe because you also want to use it as a tool, the bowie clipped point is pretty good - it was common in medieval european and middle eastern knives too.
Recently acquired WW2 OSS Drop Knife
Fashioned from a surplus 1873 bayonet.
noice
Just use a gun
behold the ancestral daisho of the suburban samurai
if i had to choose a fighting knife it would be something with enough heft that if someone were to block with their forearm, their forearm is getting mangled. chopping/slashing is a much safer kind of move than stabbing, and knife-fighting even an unarmed opponent is extremely dangerous as you can simply get KO'd/rocked/taken down by entering their range.
for that reason i don't favor the FBS, it's just a needle for stabbing organs.
YWNBIAKF
And that's a good thing
>Knofe is useless if you don't carry it.
>Smaller knives are better for utility and general carry tasks but not ideal for fighting.
>Laws generally restrict knife size
Usually the best you can do is maximum size fixed or one-hand open knife with a decent stabbing point that the law allows.
I prefer the blade down, edge out fighting style as it works better in a grapple, on the ground, and can still be used to punch and icepick.
best knife
>messer
Sorry for the off-topic, guys. I found this piece of shit. It's stainless steel, supposedly some kind of butcher knife. Maybe for bleeding? The blade has deep scratches - has anyone tried to sharpen it with a Dremel? Please, give me some advice on how to get rid of these damn scratches.
you don't, really
make some more scratches in a cool pattern or something
Attach it to a 6-8 foot long pole, you won't see scratches anymore because it will be too far away and will be even better for stabbing!
Someone took some kind of grinder to that thing and fucked up big style. Otherwise it looks like a fairly standard pig sticker, not particularly uncommon for people to carry in the past.
Threadly reminder:
The FS knife was trash that was revoked by most of its users, overly thin blade, overly thin handle, notorious for sticking in bone(had to dull the tip), notoriously fragile and prone to breaking(considered disposable use items). The common sentiment was that it was like they'd requested a surgeon make a fighting knife. Any typical bushcrafting knife with a 5" or greater blade and more traditional design is a superior fighting knife, let alone a larger one with a cross guard. They quickly fell out of style because despite looking cool they weren't actually good at their intended use.
>They quickly fell out of style because despite looking cool they weren't actually good at their intended use.
It was good for its intended purpose, that purpose being stabbing sentries that don't know you're there. It was never supposed to be something you took with you to clear a trench or room. That's what the Smatchet was for.
>It was good for its intended purpose, that purpose being stabbing sentries that don't know you're there.
Not him but I've heard this a lot regarding the FS and I think it's a strange defense of the knife being relatively doodoo since basically anything works in that capacity. Even just sticking to the Anglosphere and ignoring Canada the Australians and Americans both had better daggers but people dickride the FS and frankly I think it's just because of that stabby grandpa video.
>The FS knife was trash that was revoked by most of its users, overly thin blade, overly thin handle, notorious for sticking in bone(had to dull the tip), notoriously fragile and prone to breaking(considered disposable use items). The common sentiment was that it was like they'd requested a surgeon make a fighting knife
lmao all lies from POGs after the war trying to poormouth SAS in reality is was so popular British troops were buying bootleg copies even before the war ended and it stayed in production for almost 15 years
>15 years
Pretty short time for a knife. They don’t use it anymore because everyone figured out it was a meme with very little potential for actual use.
lol they don't use it anymore
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/fairbairn-sykes.html
>The FS knife was trash that was revoked by most of its users
Everyone loved its dagger features.
Everyone hated it because it's not good for whatever normal knives are used for, which is all the stuff unrelated to knife fighting like cutting materials and prying(!) shit open - but then again, this applies to all daggers, they're not for utility tasks.
There's also the fact that people didn't really fight with knives a lot in WW2 while they did cut stuff and pry things nearly every day. In 99,9% of cases, the knife wasn't even going to be used for fighting, thus utility features proved to be far, far more useful to the average grunt who doesn't go around sneaking, trying to stab guards in the throat.
>this applies to all daggers, they're not for utility tasks
There's a reason it follows the profile of literally all medieval daggers. It works.
Funny to see a small hard core group of twats that thinks slashing is more efficient than stabbing, I bet this is the same crew that recommends an 8' spear for CQC.
Probably the same smatchet fag from the other thread.
Applegate - Fairbairn try one and you'll get it
I would like to Applegate but I'm a poorfag
I was looking at the Katz avenger but it's seemingly no longer available in the UK.
Do you have any poorfag recommendation for a double edged bootknife?
Here. These are about $15 at Home Depot.
I once made a thread about the FS and its rivals. Instead of meme shit I typed a text so long it required 2 posts. Dudes showed up getting mad at me for advocating one dagger over another in ways that didn't make sense and then I got b& for
>garbage posting
by a buttmad mod.
Dollars to donuts most of you fags don't own any of these knives and haven't ever fenced but you'll still claim that the FS is the best knife for slaying someone who's not aware of your presence as if you couldn't do that with a screwdriver.
Don't even @ me if you haven't so much as finished off a hog with a bayonet that you got for $30 in the 1990s.
How does PrepHole feel about kabars? Which one should I buy?
I think they're quality knives but they're also overpriced. May as well go for the spess muhreen edition at this point.
OKC-3S because you can put it on your gun
All knives are deadly and this is an argument largely of aesthetics. Stop overthinking things.
Fat boi or skinny boi