I think you're sacrificing an optimal cheek weld (for averagelets) for a position that can be used pretty well shooting regularly, but is also better for shooting with night vision, which can be done with eotechs.
>they serve a specific purpose
its a retarded purpose and people who use risers are fags.
[...]
you can't get a cheek weld with this monstrosity
I used to think these things were retarded.
Then I got a PVS-14 and tried to complete a course with standard height EXPS.
It was not a fun experience.
Now I just think they're way overpriced for no reason other than "we know we can charge NODfags an arm and a leg, so we do".
Any Unity riser tbh. I laugh the most at the retarded gooseneck thing for laser sights. I always see it on guns where the upper receiver is one extruded aluminum piece.
Marine marsoc? are using these. They showed it on some YT short. During training exercises on board a carrier.
It works really well on mk18s with small handgaurds.
I know the video you're talking about, they weren't MARSOC or any special spooker dudes, they were security. I.e. LARPers in uniform. It's like calling MPs "special forces" because some of them buy fancy gear.
They were navy seal devgru marsoc marine cooks, you homosexual.
That wasnt even the point. That riser is being used by SF because it was designed by a group of them for SF!
Wrong. Carry handle sucks ass with night vision, which is the whole point of those mounts. >but it's up high
And the carry handle is way too far back so it's going to be bouncing off your tubes. Dumbass.
>And the carry handle is way too far back so it's going to be bouncing off your tubes. Dumbass
Then mount it forward on the handle retard, I'm not paying a shitload of money for something I can already do with the carry handles I already have. An M1913 adaptor for a rail costs fucking nothing in comparison to something like one of those retarded hydra mounts
>The problem is the carry handle itself.
It really isnt, I've done carry handle mounted shit with NODS and it works and I'm tired of pretending it doesnt exist so that tards like you can shill blocks of metal to me when the handle already works
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It really isnt
It really is. >I've done
No you haven't.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Post your ebin rebuke or shut the fuck up shill I'm not buying your overpriced brick
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ebin rebuke
You don't know what you're talking about and are just seething because you're poor. You're poor because you're unintelligent.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean it's your money man if you want to buy blocks of metal fine by me I'm going to keep buying handles and glass to put on them and you can keep seething to yourself on this basket weaving forum. Your existence ceases to exist to me when I close the tab retard
>stock has to extend to max to not bump tube off the carry handle, even then has barely any clearance
Good example of the problem. Once you reddit expert gets a LAM and tries to actually shoot he's going to have a bad time, never mind the strike industries chink shit brake.
I understand why you think carry handles are so great now that I see who you take advice from.
I mean it's your money man if you want to buy blocks of metal fine by me I'm going to keep buying handles and glass to put on them and you can keep seething to yourself on this basket weaving forum. Your existence ceases to exist to me when I close the tab retard
>gonna keep buying
But you're not, that's the thing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>stock has to extend to max to not bump tube off the carry handle, even then has barely any clearance
Imagine being an armlet and necklet lol, I dont even need to keep reading your retarded posts at this point since I know I'm talking to a four foot troglodyte who doesnt even have the NODs he's fighting me over, I look up sight on carry handle and pull the first link and his pavolvian training tells him to spit out "le reddit!" as a rebuke, fucking have a nice day man that way the air you breath would be of better use to the rest of us
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Have fun chick-leaning back when you shoot because you have your goofy stock extended all the way back while being an asian mutt manlet, redditard
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>stock has to extend to max to not bump tube off the carry handle, even then has barely any clearance
Good example of the problem. Once you reddit expert gets a LAM and tries to actually shoot he's going to have a bad time, never mind the strike industries chink shit brake.
I understand why you think carry handles are so great now that I see who you take advice from.
[...] >gonna keep buying
But you're not, that's the thing.
I've done a similar height setup (Elcan+MRDS) under dual tubes and it is doable but kind of shit. The big chunk of metal directly in front of your right nod is invisible so if you're moving/walking while aiming you will keep bumping into it. I had to keep the stock extended all the way out to mitigate, which screwed up muscle memory. I haven't tried a carry handle optic with nods but the geometry looks like the problem would still be there.
I had better luck with an EXPS3-0 mounted at default height (shown), it was a little lower but the empty space behind it adds a lot of breathing room.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This man is wrong. Carry handle is fine. It is no worse for bumping your tubes than a piggybacked ACOG or a FTC magnifier behind a Unity risen dot.
Passive is fun but extremely limited. Practice it for when it is useful but for the other 90% of the time, just use your fucking LAM.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It is no worse for bumping your tubes than a piggybacked ACOG
correct > FTC magnifier behind a Unity risen dot.
correct. And neither of those is as good as not having something right there in the way. Remove the magnifier dumbfuck, you're not using it at night.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Passive is such a niche "need" there is no real reason to optimize around it more than good enough. I do agree on dumping the FTC at night although that is more of a dead weight consideration than demanding the best passive experience.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Passive is such a niche "need"
Night vision is a niche need. If you can afford a tube you can afford a dedicated rifle to use at night and set it up to be good for it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah yes so I should now optimize for the niche of a niche? Shit the sun went down, let me go back to the truck to get my night rifle, sorry guys be back in a bit.
passive is great, a laser is not needed
an ir illuminator is definitely needed though you can't shoot what you can't see and you need to see into shadows or overcome photonic barriers etc
>an ir illuminator is definitely needed
Exactly, and if you are going to be active anyway then you may as well use the superior aiming system.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ah yes so I should now optimize for the niche of a niche?
sure, why not? >b-but money
Again, if you can afford a tube you can afford one (1) rifle set up to actually do night shooting.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
>you may as well use the superior aiming system.
subjective honestly
i prefer passive but i need the illuminator
often i'll just turn on the illuminator only then passive aim it, the dot is right in the center of the IR cone of light, it works great
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
passive is great, a laser is not needed
an ir illuminator is definitely needed though you can't shoot what you can't see and you need to see into shadows or overcome photonic barriers etc
>Wrong. Carry handle sucks ass with night vision, which is the whole point of those mounts.
it really doesn't, it works fuckin great
i shoot with my comp m2 carry handle with nods all the time, it works fucking amazing
If this was a work around to mount red dots and lasers on rifles with an A3 upper and A2 hand guards, it would make sense. Given the “problem” these were created to solve, the entire design and price point is full retard. >verification not required
tiny grub screws to friction fit on the power ring are the real issue. If they decided to just make it for like 5 specific LPVOs and had bespoke clamping rings for them the biggest issue goes away.
>the slim girl with DFC who gets gross looking implants because people joked about her small tits and she didn't realize it just made her look completely disgusting.
>I NEED to have a folding stock >I WILL NOT use a bufferless AR >I WILL NOT use an AK
this tbh.
[...]
Stoner really did get it right the first time, cutting the carry handle off was fucking retarded
>stoner's only claim to fame was a rifle that he had to modify to fit standards so much that people claim it wasnt really what he wanted
then just get an ar10 with the reciprocating charging handle and all you fag. >more height over bore is good bc... it just is ok!!!
riserfags get the rope. >b-b-but muh passive aiming
retarded gimmick and despite two wars going on right now between fairly modern military powers at war there are no examples of it being used. risers are the ultimate larpfag filter.
>then just get an ar10 with the reciprocating charging handle and all you fag.
Who are you talking to lol I didnt even mention the bcg >more height over bore is good bc... it just is ok!!!
I bet you're the same fag that cant handle your FSB being cowitnessed with the sight and thinks their gimmick laser sight will work 100% of the time >retarded gimmick and despite two wars going on right now between fairly modern military powers at war there are no examples of it being used
We've been handing down 40 year old cold war surplus to the ukies such as A2s and A4s and there's tons of pictures of them using them with shit mounted on top, and they're currently holding off the ziggers with an understaffed and hyperextended army, so I dont know if that speaks to capabilities of the ukies with our handmedowns or the incompetence of the russians but it's funny either way
As for Israel / Hamas both are gay and retarded and I've seen both with carry handle ARs so who knows, that conflict is a shitshow anyways and not nearly as interesting as Ukraine imo
>and thinks their gimmick laser sight will work 100% of the time >aiming laser would somehow break >but my nods and red dot would still be intact for some reason.
lol. Peqs, dbals, and pert's are extremely robust and ive seen 100 more nods fail to function than any aiming laser. >cold war surplus to the ukies such as A2s and A4s and there's tons of pictures of them using them with shit mounted on top
yeah but they arent using them with nods because passive aiming is a gay meme. not having a choice because youre using a hand-me-down (or even if you just like the aesthetic) with a fixed carry handle is one thing. actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
when I was talking about gimmick laser sight I meant the red dot, lasers for passive aiming are literally all you can use for night vision if you arent retarded and would like to live and be competent at all. So its not really a meme
>actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
They arent using them with NODS because the Ukies are too poor to have them and Russians are too incompetent to produce them effectively to field an entire army's worth of them, they arent even using matching ammo anymore I'm seeing 5.45 AKs and 7.62 AKs brushing shoulders in the same squad with a mix of wooden and polymer furniture which is a fucking embarrassment for any country claiming to be a world power lul
>actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
I agree but in the case of people shilling all these kinds of risers for NVG work it just has me thinking we should've never cut off the carry handle in the first place because all we did was go in a circle and return to what was originally working out
its fine anon. we agree more or less. i was just confused because passive aiming means aiming through the red dot with nods. visable and IR lasers are totally normal and viable if used competently. this was just a break down in vocabulary.
>give an example of when passive aiming is superior to an aiming laser
When the enemy also has NVGs you fucking troglodyte
anon even if the enemy is wearing NVGs it would take maybe a second at 100 yards between turning my laser on and firing at the target from the hip. you will get maybe 1 shot out before flash gives away your position regardless of muzzle device because at night and through nods even suppressors produce some flash. so "le enemy has nods" isnt an agruement if youve ever shot at anything with a laser under nods.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a difference between a suppressed muzzle report at 100 yards and a fucking bright Star Trek-esque line pointed directly at your exact location you fucking dunce
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon you know the priority of every enemy you have is to not get shot at anymore right? say they stand there and trace my laser back to me so they can also either a) use a laser marking them as a target for anyone else in my squad. or b) take twice as long to passively attain a sight picture where they still get shot because i only turned my laser on bc i knew i was there and wanted to shoot them. gee anon its almost like the logic justifying risers is retarded or something and falls apart if you've ever practiced any force on force with nods at all.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>light up enemy with laser >immediately get lit up by twelve lasers and a helicopter
Gee I wonder who will win that engagement
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>im by myself >im starting a fight where im outnumbered >im starting a fight where the enemy has instantaneous air support
anon if you stop making up retarded scenarios that wouldnt happen then you might be more receptive to my point: being that risers are retarded and suck.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Or maybe consider that you might be better off taking careful well-aimed shots without immediately giving away your position to everybody wearing a monocular that costs less than a 1999 Subaru.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon if im for some reason fighting an organized force with standard monacles and appearently helicopters then im not going to be doing it alone. i wont be taking "well aimed shots" at night because i will simply be assaulted through by an entire platoon and killed. i wont be getting into any fight with said group if i can help it unless i outnumber them. i understand that you like to make up imaginary retarded reasons but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and not putting myself into an unwinnable situation is a better option than buying a cheap gimmick to make a gimmick tactic slightly more viable to increase my chances of making it out alive from 0% to about 5% and if im just going to passively aim why not just mount a thermal imaging scope to my rifle anyway? id get clearer sight picture, magnification, and still retain night vision capability.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay. Hope you have good cardio.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>an organized force with standard monacles
What if their monocles aren't standardized? Say maybe Lenny got the aviation grade WPs but Frank is stuck with shitty greens with some pretty noticeable defects.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also >im starting a fight
Lol. Lmao even. Did you ever consider that shooting under night vision might be useful after somebody else has started the fight? Hypothetically you could even use passive aiming to shoot at all the idiots using their lasers to shoot at woodland critters and random noises as you as you flee through the forest with your gachimuchi collection.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>everyone else is shooting wildly bc... THEY JUST ARE OK!!! >NOBODY WOULD POINT AT YOUR MUZZLE FLASH WITH THEIR LASER >NOBODY HAS DUEL TUBE WHITE PHOS AND CAN SEE YOU CLEAR AS DAY >NOBODY HAD ENVG COMBINED THERMAL NIGHT VISION AND CAN SEE YOUR FUCKING OUTLINE >PASSIVE AIM BECAUSE... YOU JUST FRICKING SHOULD IN MY GAY MENTALLY RETARDED FICTIONAL SCENARIO
no thanks anon. if im going to do night fighting at all im making sure i have every advantage possibly afforded to me. and if im going to just aim through my rifle im going to just use a thermal rifle optic.
Okay. Hope you have good cardio.
i do.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Right. My bad. I forgot that you can call time out and reset after all your friends have shown up and you have the numerical advantage. They should hire you at the Pentagon.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>im traveling through the woods alone at night >ever >im fighting at night in any way that isnt an ambush to intercept mlcoa
idk anon i think youre imagining retarded scenarios that wouldnt happen still. maybe if you were a little more grounded and practiced force on force a single time in your entire life you might realize that your ideas are dumb. >but what if they roll up with vehicles and machineguns
i dont ambush them anymore because im outgunned and i stay as still as fucking possible and hope they dont notice me while they pass and i radio it up because living to fight another day is a better idea than taking a fight you know youre going to lose. >what if they intercept you on your way to the ambush point
im taking my entire ambush element with me against what is mose likely a patrol or LPOP. ambush is off. i kill who i can and break contact before they call artillery on me.
i cant think of any scenario where i would be better served by passive aiming than an aiming laser. >but what about le ebin Appalachian harassing sniper tactic?
youre going to take 1 shot and if they spot your muzzle flash theyre going to push and kill you and if they dont theyre going to break contact and call artillery on you which will likely kill you. either way youre not fighting effectively.
are there any other scenarios you'd like to run past me so i can explain in greater detail why risers are dumb and why you are dumb for defending them?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jesus, anon. To quote that homosexual from two posts ago:
>everyone else is shooting wildly bc... THEY JUST ARE OK!!! >NOBODY WOULD POINT AT YOUR MUZZLE FLASH WITH THEIR LASER >NOBODY HAS DUEL TUBE WHITE PHOS AND CAN SEE YOU CLEAR AS DAY >NOBODY HAD ENVG COMBINED THERMAL NIGHT VISION AND CAN SEE YOUR FUCKING OUTLINE >PASSIVE AIM BECAUSE... YOU JUST FRICKING SHOULD IN MY GAY MENTALLY RETARDED FICTIONAL SCENARIO
no thanks anon. if im going to do night fighting at all im making sure i have every advantage possibly afforded to me. and if im going to just aim through my rifle im going to just use a thermal rifle optic.
[...]
i do.
>MY GAY MENTALLY RETARDED FICTIONAL SCENARIO
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon here thinks nvgs are magic fixes for it being dark out lol. Man, I've been issued PVS-31As, and used them in training and deployed. They're really great as far as nvgs go, really blow the fuck out of everything else. But you still can't see shit like you can in daylight. If the other person is using any sort of cover and concealment and practicing light discipline, it is incredibly hard to see them. You're still looking at a grainy, monocolor image with a super limited field of view and a focus that is never quite dialed in for what you want to look at.
Every single NTC/JRTC rotation, the training unit tries to do some sort of offensive night action. It always goes to shit because even with everyone having no less than PVS-14s, getting about and seeing shit in the dark is hard as fuck.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>focus that is never quite dialed in for what you want to look at.
The quintessential NVG experience
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
i got to play with white phos duel tubes once but they were passed to me at night and i couldnt tell you which model they were. i could see the movement of the squad setting up an ambush some 150m away in the woodline. could also see my own feet in clear detail. checked back with my pvs14s and couldnt see a fucking thing. i had probably the newest monocular there too with the least defects. still felt like i might as well have been blind in comparison could barely see the continued movement of the squad when i knew exactly where to look. white phos blows 14s out of the water so hard you might as well not even wear the 14s. >the training unit tries to do some sort of offensive night action
those homosexuals at polk also just walk on the roads since they will just revive themselves 30 minutes later and find someone else anyway.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
>white phos blows 14s out of the water
You know nothing about nods wtf am I even reading
I don't think you've ever even looked through them
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>duel tube white phos >army issued 14s are green >the difference between the two is somehow lost on the tripfag
many such cases.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
I have everything you're claiming to have used retard
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
do you have psq20a too? yes the fancy highspeed duel tubes that i looked through were significantly better than my pvs14s. not even not even close.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
I have L3 unfilmed duals, those are currently top of the line intensifier tubes
Now show me what you have
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't own any. I was issued pvs14s as I already said. i was passed a pair of white phos duel tubes to use for about an hour. they didn't belong to me or my unit.
>i got to play with white phos duel tubes once but they were passed to me at night and i couldnt tell you which model they were.
Why didn't you look at them through your night vision?
i was more excited about putting them on my head and it was like 2 years ago.
Does your dad also work at Nintendo?
no he owns sega and invented sonic for me because he said i was too autistic to play mario.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
>I don't own any
And you don't know anything about night vision, as we are all painfully aware
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
i never claimed to be an expert on NVGs. i only have my limited experience that tells me that the white phos duel tubes i used one time outperformed my pvs14 which was only the newest because the old tube failed still some years prior and was replaced. still green and dogshit.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
I have a milspec pvs14 green tube and l3 unfilmed, the difference between the two is minimal
I often wear the green mono, even when driving, because it's lighter and the difference isn't even that much
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about and you've never even used night vision
Meanwhile I own a shit ton of it and drive with it, shoot with it, have sex with it, drink beer with it, and you post on PrepHole about shit you've never even used
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
nagger if you spent the last 20 minutes browsing /nvg/ instead of being a massive homosexual you'd understand why we are all mocking you.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't own any.
Yeah. We can tell.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Does your dad also work at Nintendo?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the dogfucker still out here tryna flex. Christ. I'm a flawed person but thank fucking god I didn't end up a furry.
I still remember when you were trying to shit on my burris LPVO and you couldn't show me a gun without a pristine brass deflector. I'll never understand you but ig some people get off on being the village idiot because they'd never get attention otherwise.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
>I still remember when you were trying to shit on my burris LPVO and you couldn't show me a gun without a pristine brass deflector.
lol he's still seething
good to know i got to you so hard, looks like you'll be remembering me for the rest of your life
i shoot more than you, i just picked up 9000rds of 5.56 right before the price went up actually, feels good
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
seething? I forget you exist until I pop into /k/ and see you still stumbling around, sharting your cringe tripcode. Nice brass deflector btw.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
i shoot more than you, and i actually do more than just consoooom like you do >snapchat file name
holy kek
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Namefag
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
AHEM, i'm a tripfag not a namefag, learn the difference
lurk more before you post newfag, embarrassing
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you are a gay nagger and you should have a nice day now
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
shut up you stupid namefag
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
What are all those slices? Roller cross-sections for an HK33 die?
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
forming mandrel for HK receivers
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
there's nothing wrong with using the snapchat camera for 4chins posting. any native camera app in 2023 will capture images larger than the file size limit
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
>he has snapchat installed
Idk what's more sad, having snapchat or still using snapchat in 2023 after it literally died off
That's like still having a MySpace
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
girls only send nudes through snap, you wouldn't get it
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
Yeah I've been with my partner for years now we are rock solid
I don't use that shit lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
of course animals wouldn't use snapchat dummy
but snap lives on among zoomers and those who fuck them
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>my partner
Fag detected
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
Your dad bro don't talk shit
He's chill
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Can't come back from that one... Take it with pride and grace like you do in the bedroom.
4 weeks ago
[PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC
Why are you posting pictures of my face in reply to me?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you taught your dog to use a phone, it's first call would be the police.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i got to play with white phos duel tubes once but they were passed to me at night and i couldnt tell you which model they were.
Why didn't you look at them through your night vision?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol, you'll die first even though you don't think it
If you are fighting other people with night vision passive aiming is the only option that won’t get you killed. Luckily it’s only the US and some of other western countries that issue night vision on any kind of large scale.
Anything that's either up close like clearing rooms or at a decent range that requires speed or reflex smaller than that a shooter would reasonably be able to pick up their reticle such as in high intensity nighttime operations
>trying to see your reticle through nods while clearing rooms at night for some reason >this is somehow better than using an aiming laser.
right so this is also just incompetence. lasers are better. > speed or reflex smaller than that a shooter would reasonably be able to pick up their reticle such as in high intensity nighttime operations >meaningless word salad
give an example of when passive aiming is superior to an aiming laser. dont just say "uh muh high intensity night time operations!!!!!!"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
is passive aiming not using a laser? I'm saying you should use a laser than just hope you can pick up your reticle through nods lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Passive is not emitting any illumination even IR. The intention being to not be as easily observed by a peer night capability opfor. Its of minimal usage in peer force on force outside of an ambush though since in a protracted fight the opfor is just going to zero in on your muzzle flash anyway so you may as well go active and up your hit chances.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah that makes sense, I guess we wont really know for sure until either we go to war with the Chinese or Russians if they even manage to wrangle IR shit that's functional in any way whether passive is a meme or not
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
We already know that it is of some, but not a lot of use since we train peer fof all the time. The reason you see passive pushed by so many of the cool guy door kicker types is because they operate in small unit raider environments where reducing their visibility even in IR is worth it for them since they will flat out lose in a stand up fight with a conventional force of any meaningful size if they are caught.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is all going to be thermal in a couple years anyway
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>since in a protracted fight the opfor is just going to zero in on your muzzle flash anyway
And you're gonna help them do it much faster by helpfully drawing a line straight to your position.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Aiming lasers don't draw a line in the air unless the air is dirty/foggy, they aren't that powerful.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> The reason you see passive pushed by so many of the cool guy door kicker types
i have only seen it pushed by gay instagram larpers. generally speaking you treat your peq like your safety in that it only turns on when youre about to fire. reducing visibility isnt much of a factor since the only time it would be on is when theyre fighting already and are thus visible.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
word salad
Illiterate detected lol, He's saying when you need reflexes that require you to point and shoot faster than one would reasonably be able to pick up their sight, that a laser would be preferable as you can aim passively as you'd just need to pick up the bright fucking line of light only you can see through your NODs to put down whoever you're encountering in such an intense scenario.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>give an example of when passive aiming is superior to an aiming laser
When the enemy also has NVGs you fucking troglodyte
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You dumb homosexual LARPer, other than SWAT or special forces under what conditions would you be possibly engaging an enemy at night who is also equipped with NVG.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>other than SWAT or special forces under what conditions would you be possibly engaging an enemy at night who is also equipped with NVG.
IRS shows up at 4am and they want to talk
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
irs doesnt bring nods when they want to talk. and when they bring nods they dont want to talk.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe I want to talk.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Getting into a gunfight with another LARPER who has nods
>if you don't drill into your expensive rifle's trigger group freehand like a real man
use a press dipshit
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>expensive >at worst you buy a new lower
nagger please. Even if you mess up you aren’t harming anything. Your normal trigger works fine it’s just not going to be FA.
nta but if you can't eyeball a 90 degree angle you are too blind and/or stupid to own a gun
Before his video got nuked by YouTube, Mrgunsngear used the Bower jig one side with a hand rill, then attached the jig to the other side and finished off with the same jig
I came up with this idea but its retarded cause iron sights are not needed anymore
But a good pressure switch light combo that has a two buttons and a cable for an IR device would be cool.
That looks way heavier than a normal light and iron sight combo
So it isn't really making the light mount, iron sight, and pressure switch into one compact package which is the whole reason for my design
It would reduce clutter and weight on rails
But I came up with the idea literally 6 years ago and back then people almost all ran backup irons
It is, their whole schtick with it was that it was modular for multiple different configs and everything was on a short piece of top rail so your handguard type didn't matter. I'm not saying on design is superior to another just that they are very similar and one is a product people can buy now if they want it.
Maybe i'll draw up a revised version of mine because it definitely could be improved upon
It needs two buttons on the switch portion that have tactile bulging on top to differentiate the two
And a cable port so you can connect the right or left button up to an illuminator/lazer combo
And then the iron sight portion would bold down to cover both switches
And the light mount portion would be rotateable like the surefire mounts
I'm never going to make it tho so its hard to convince myself to spend the time doing a new drawing
I have other better ideas that would be easier to achieve
My mother is a good seamstress and I have some shooting bag Ideas that I would do before ever doing this
Put the light on the right of the rail/sight instead of the left.
That way it reduces potential interference with slings, and it's not rubbing against the user when slung.
>there will be enough electricity in the air to kill every isolated circuit on earth. >somehow living things won't be fucked also.
Solar/emp fags really have no clue how much power is needed for something like that to happen.
The Gau-5a is the Cry Havoc barrel system and a standard stock with some dark wizardry folding pistol grip. I went one "better" and added the Leo folding stock, making a 7.5" 300blk AR that fits in a lunchbox.
This fucking turd >No it does not look cool >No you don't look like a space marine on mars >Your tastes are bad and you should rethink life >Yes you are a homosexual >Yes you are a cuck in a bluestate
anything to justify this shit is pure cope
>we let the liberals Molon labe
get them back. We mutts aren’t far behind. I’m betting on 2025 AWB after 2020 repeats next year. Losing is only going to be an option for so long.
Patricians know that you could fill those empty spaces with home depot sealant foam and make for a fairly rugged stock. Then again patricians also used to work and fiddle with their guns rather than just purchase another appendix solution.
you jam a coat hanger in there are bending it for a bit
yes the trigger is ass and is the reason many people attribute bullpups to having ass triggers
looking at you too you bullpuped SKS
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XZBIJLS
this is the tungsten cube i bought in 2017 for my glock 19. it is still working great, can recommend for anyone looking for a tungsten cube.
updates: my friend raised a valid concern that it can be considered a "front hand grip" since you can technically "grip it with your hand" (even though it will make you shoot worse, and you can grip flashlights the same way), so I added spikes to make it impossible to "grip it with your hand" - hard to say if it made it more legal or not, but it looks much better
took it to the range once - it does dramatically reduce felt recoil, and did not break the pistol - frame looks as bent as it was when I bought this perfection
updates: my friend raised a valid concern that it can be considered a "front hand grip" since you can technically "grip it with your hand" (even though it will make you shoot worse, and you can grip flashlights the same way), so I added spikes to make it impossible to "grip it with your hand" - hard to say if it made it more legal or not, but it looks much better
took it to the range once - it does dramatically reduce felt recoil, and did not break the pistol - frame looks as bent as it was when I bought this perfection
Why not have a gun mount that holds it centered on your chest and lets you pull the trigger with a string on your teeth. Then you could akimbo pistols or grenades while being an upgraded version of the guy from from dusk til dawn. Asking for a friend
All of these tiny red dot sights on tiny guns. Not as retarded as the Deltapoint micro or the Meprolight bullseye sight, but still dumb. All these companies are just trying to reinvent the wheel and then hand it off to their marketing department to tell you that you will absolutely die if you don't have it on your carry gun.
I wish instead of this stupid shit mark had just focused on the items that were strengths.
Like maybe instead of doubling the price of one of the best free float quads on the market with no improvement, maybe make them out of titanium or something so they could be lighter and stronger.
I'm still salty about the $400 fuck you for those.
I kind of like the idea for a home defense carbine, except if you have a flashlight on the gun there's no argument against one more thing that needs batteries and cheap red dots exist now.
collapsible stocks - a non-solution for a non-problem that adds a layer of inconvenience, and 0 benefits unless you have to hop in and out of a humvee a lot every day (you will never set foot inside a military vehicle)
i don’t get the argument
a riser really don’t make it much harder to shoot normally
if it does nothing at all, nothing was lost
if it does something at all, that something was free
at least besides the skyscraper risers, i mean 1.9… i mean it’s just not really that noticeable
i’ve mounted scopes on lever guns with worse cheek welds that take harder shots on game
>inna perfectly good thread >autistic tripfag who fucks dogs and is hated by every single person on the board comes and ruins it to sate his ego
Many such cases. This thread, this board, everything would be better off without you.
NODs is and always has been a meme. I have a pair that I use for innawoods night walking for funsies, but for shooting they are fucking retarded. If you are a single person facing an enemy who are also NVG capable you are outnumbered and fucked. If you and your LARP buddies are facing a team of government agents with NVG you are fucked, because they get paid to train in them and in team CQB at least 50 hours a month. Having a high mounted RDS prevents you from being able to lie in a bush/hide for 8 hours aimed down your rifle and basically fall asleep on it which is what a fed fears more than anything else.
KYS israelite.
Any fed can find your family, but you don't have access to those systems though. Any fed/cop with half a brain has already removed themselves from public online databases.
Risers like this
These are definitely not retarded. They serve a specific purpose and they work well. They're also strong mounts made of high quality materials.
This is absolutely retarded and Mark LaRue should be ashamed to bring this to market.
>This is absolutely retarded and Mark LaRue should be ashamed to bring this to market.
it shipped april fools day
>they serve a specific purpose
its a retarded purpose and people who use risers are fags.
you can't get a cheek weld with this monstrosity
necklet. My natural cheekweld is perfect for unity height mounts. I have to scrunch down to lower 1/3.
Stop being obese.
yes your necks length is correlated to being fat somehow....
>cheek weld
>neck somehow comes into play
???
What the fuck part of your body is in between your shoulders and your face?
>ARfags go on about muh cheekweld for years
>then the Unity comes out and achkchually cheek weld bad
I think you're sacrificing an optimal cheek weld (for averagelets) for a position that can be used pretty well shooting regularly, but is also better for shooting with night vision, which can be done with eotechs.
lol fagboy mad that larue just made fun of your beloved "innovation"
Buy an ad
I wouldn't call those retarded.
I believe the purpose is to raise optics above top-mounted laser aiming devices like a PEQ or something.
You can just say you're too poor to affords nods. Just work on getting out of poverty, anon
I used to think these things were retarded.
Then I got a PVS-14 and tried to complete a course with standard height EXPS.
It was not a fun experience.
Now I just think they're way overpriced for no reason other than "we know we can charge NODfags an arm and a leg, so we do".
Just get the chink knockoff. At worse you have to replace the fasteners since that is what they commonly cheap out on.
Any Unity riser tbh. I laugh the most at the retarded gooseneck thing for laser sights. I always see it on guns where the upper receiver is one extruded aluminum piece.
Unity backed this mount so you know it's real pipe hitting shit
Marine marsoc? are using these. They showed it on some YT short. During training exercises on board a carrier.
It works really well on mk18s with small handgaurds.
I know the video you're talking about, they weren't MARSOC or any special spooker dudes, they were security. I.e. LARPers in uniform. It's like calling MPs "special forces" because some of them buy fancy gear.
They were navy seal devgru marsoc marine cooks, you homosexual.
That wasnt even the point. That riser is being used by SF because it was designed by a group of them for SF!
the only thing retarded about this is the price and imo bad geometry.
I could mill something just as good and cheaper
Yeah I always figured with the kind of prices they charge can't they optimize the geometry a little.
Stoner really did get it right the first time, cutting the carry handle off was fucking retarded
agreed, rifle was fine
Wrong. Carry handle sucks ass with night vision, which is the whole point of those mounts.
>but it's up high
And the carry handle is way too far back so it's going to be bouncing off your tubes. Dumbass.
>And the carry handle is way too far back so it's going to be bouncing off your tubes. Dumbass
Then mount it forward on the handle retard, I'm not paying a shitload of money for something I can already do with the carry handles I already have. An M1913 adaptor for a rail costs fucking nothing in comparison to something like one of those retarded hydra mounts
The problem is the carry handle itself.
>i'm not paying
Duh you're not, you can't afford NODs
>The problem is the carry handle itself.
It really isnt, I've done carry handle mounted shit with NODS and it works and I'm tired of pretending it doesnt exist so that tards like you can shill blocks of metal to me when the handle already works
>It really isnt
It really is.
>I've done
No you haven't.
Post your ebin rebuke or shut the fuck up shill I'm not buying your overpriced brick
>ebin rebuke
You don't know what you're talking about and are just seething because you're poor. You're poor because you're unintelligent.
I mean it's your money man if you want to buy blocks of metal fine by me I'm going to keep buying handles and glass to put on them and you can keep seething to yourself on this basket weaving forum. Your existence ceases to exist to me when I close the tab retard
https://old.reddit.com/r/NightVision/comments/qwjqbe/friendly_reminder_that_a_carry_handle_mounted/
>stock has to extend to max to not bump tube off the carry handle, even then has barely any clearance
Good example of the problem. Once you reddit expert gets a LAM and tries to actually shoot he's going to have a bad time, never mind the strike industries chink shit brake.
I understand why you think carry handles are so great now that I see who you take advice from.
>gonna keep buying
But you're not, that's the thing.
>stock has to extend to max to not bump tube off the carry handle, even then has barely any clearance
Imagine being an armlet and necklet lol, I dont even need to keep reading your retarded posts at this point since I know I'm talking to a four foot troglodyte who doesnt even have the NODs he's fighting me over, I look up sight on carry handle and pull the first link and his pavolvian training tells him to spit out "le reddit!" as a rebuke, fucking have a nice day man that way the air you breath would be of better use to the rest of us
Have fun chick-leaning back when you shoot because you have your goofy stock extended all the way back while being an asian mutt manlet, redditard
I've done a similar height setup (Elcan+MRDS) under dual tubes and it is doable but kind of shit. The big chunk of metal directly in front of your right nod is invisible so if you're moving/walking while aiming you will keep bumping into it. I had to keep the stock extended all the way out to mitigate, which screwed up muscle memory. I haven't tried a carry handle optic with nods but the geometry looks like the problem would still be there.
I had better luck with an EXPS3-0 mounted at default height (shown), it was a little lower but the empty space behind it adds a lot of breathing room.
This man is wrong. Carry handle is fine. It is no worse for bumping your tubes than a piggybacked ACOG or a FTC magnifier behind a Unity risen dot.
Passive is fun but extremely limited. Practice it for when it is useful but for the other 90% of the time, just use your fucking LAM.
>It is no worse for bumping your tubes than a piggybacked ACOG
correct
> FTC magnifier behind a Unity risen dot.
correct. And neither of those is as good as not having something right there in the way. Remove the magnifier dumbfuck, you're not using it at night.
Passive is such a niche "need" there is no real reason to optimize around it more than good enough. I do agree on dumping the FTC at night although that is more of a dead weight consideration than demanding the best passive experience.
>Passive is such a niche "need"
Night vision is a niche need. If you can afford a tube you can afford a dedicated rifle to use at night and set it up to be good for it.
Ah yes so I should now optimize for the niche of a niche? Shit the sun went down, let me go back to the truck to get my night rifle, sorry guys be back in a bit.
>an ir illuminator is definitely needed
Exactly, and if you are going to be active anyway then you may as well use the superior aiming system.
>Ah yes so I should now optimize for the niche of a niche?
sure, why not?
>b-but money
Again, if you can afford a tube you can afford one (1) rifle set up to actually do night shooting.
>you may as well use the superior aiming system.
subjective honestly
i prefer passive but i need the illuminator
often i'll just turn on the illuminator only then passive aim it, the dot is right in the center of the IR cone of light, it works great
passive is great, a laser is not needed
an ir illuminator is definitely needed though you can't shoot what you can't see and you need to see into shadows or overcome photonic barriers etc
>Wrong. Carry handle sucks ass with night vision, which is the whole point of those mounts.
it really doesn't, it works fuckin great
i shoot with my comp m2 carry handle with nods all the time, it works fucking amazing
If this was a work around to mount red dots and lasers on rifles with an A3 upper and A2 hand guards, it would make sense. Given the “problem” these were created to solve, the entire design and price point is full retard.
>verification not required
Uh, at least it won't break.
>that video where it immediately breaks
hilarious contraption. maybe you can make a snare trap out of it when it inevitably shits the bed on you
To be fair it's because they were retarded installing it. It's still a fucking stupid device.
what did they fuck up?
They didn't tighten the shit around the magnification ring properly and it constantly slipped.
oh no I thought this was cool turns out I'm just retarded
if this worked it would be fucking boss
like halo zoom
Wait, you dont lije stroking your gun? homosexual
That doesn’t seem like an awful idea. Bad execution or am I missing something? Slider gets snagged all the time?
tiny grub screws to friction fit on the power ring are the real issue. If they decided to just make it for like 5 specific LPVOs and had bespoke clamping rings for them the biggest issue goes away.
You don't even need to go that far, just make a model that catches throw levers that already exist on many of these scopes.
I thought this was pretty smart and clever. Although how often does one change zoom anyways?
>I NEED to have a folding stock
>I WILL NOT use a bufferless AR
>I WILL NOT use an AK
>the slim girl with DFC who gets gross looking implants because people joked about her small tits and she didn't realize it just made her look completely disgusting.
this tbh.
>stoner's only claim to fame was a rifle that he had to modify to fit standards so much that people claim it wasnt really what he wanted
then just get an ar10 with the reciprocating charging handle and all you fag.
>more height over bore is good bc... it just is ok!!!
riserfags get the rope.
>b-b-but muh passive aiming
retarded gimmick and despite two wars going on right now between fairly modern military powers at war there are no examples of it being used. risers are the ultimate larpfag filter.
>then just get an ar10 with the reciprocating charging handle and all you fag.
Who are you talking to lol I didnt even mention the bcg
>more height over bore is good bc... it just is ok!!!
I bet you're the same fag that cant handle your FSB being cowitnessed with the sight and thinks their gimmick laser sight will work 100% of the time
>retarded gimmick and despite two wars going on right now between fairly modern military powers at war there are no examples of it being used
We've been handing down 40 year old cold war surplus to the ukies such as A2s and A4s and there's tons of pictures of them using them with shit mounted on top, and they're currently holding off the ziggers with an understaffed and hyperextended army, so I dont know if that speaks to capabilities of the ukies with our handmedowns or the incompetence of the russians but it's funny either way
As for Israel / Hamas both are gay and retarded and I've seen both with carry handle ARs so who knows, that conflict is a shitshow anyways and not nearly as interesting as Ukraine imo
>and thinks their gimmick laser sight will work 100% of the time
>aiming laser would somehow break
>but my nods and red dot would still be intact for some reason.
lol. Peqs, dbals, and pert's are extremely robust and ive seen 100 more nods fail to function than any aiming laser.
>cold war surplus to the ukies such as A2s and A4s and there's tons of pictures of them using them with shit mounted on top
yeah but they arent using them with nods because passive aiming is a gay meme. not having a choice because youre using a hand-me-down (or even if you just like the aesthetic) with a fixed carry handle is one thing. actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
when I was talking about gimmick laser sight I meant the red dot, lasers for passive aiming are literally all you can use for night vision if you arent retarded and would like to live and be competent at all. So its not really a meme
>actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
They arent using them with NODS because the Ukies are too poor to have them and Russians are too incompetent to produce them effectively to field an entire army's worth of them, they arent even using matching ammo anymore I'm seeing 5.45 AKs and 7.62 AKs brushing shoulders in the same squad with a mix of wooden and polymer furniture which is a fucking embarrassment for any country claiming to be a world power lul
>actively choosing to increase height over bore for no tangible gain is another.
I agree but in the case of people shilling all these kinds of risers for NVG work it just has me thinking we should've never cut off the carry handle in the first place because all we did was go in a circle and return to what was originally working out
its fine anon. we agree more or less. i was just confused because passive aiming means aiming through the red dot with nods. visable and IR lasers are totally normal and viable if used competently. this was just a break down in vocabulary.
anon even if the enemy is wearing NVGs it would take maybe a second at 100 yards between turning my laser on and firing at the target from the hip. you will get maybe 1 shot out before flash gives away your position regardless of muzzle device because at night and through nods even suppressors produce some flash. so "le enemy has nods" isnt an agruement if youve ever shot at anything with a laser under nods.
There's a difference between a suppressed muzzle report at 100 yards and a fucking bright Star Trek-esque line pointed directly at your exact location you fucking dunce
anon you know the priority of every enemy you have is to not get shot at anymore right? say they stand there and trace my laser back to me so they can also either a) use a laser marking them as a target for anyone else in my squad. or b) take twice as long to passively attain a sight picture where they still get shot because i only turned my laser on bc i knew i was there and wanted to shoot them. gee anon its almost like the logic justifying risers is retarded or something and falls apart if you've ever practiced any force on force with nods at all.
>light up enemy with laser
>immediately get lit up by twelve lasers and a helicopter
Gee I wonder who will win that engagement
>im by myself
>im starting a fight where im outnumbered
>im starting a fight where the enemy has instantaneous air support
anon if you stop making up retarded scenarios that wouldnt happen then you might be more receptive to my point: being that risers are retarded and suck.
Or maybe consider that you might be better off taking careful well-aimed shots without immediately giving away your position to everybody wearing a monocular that costs less than a 1999 Subaru.
anon if im for some reason fighting an organized force with standard monacles and appearently helicopters then im not going to be doing it alone. i wont be taking "well aimed shots" at night because i will simply be assaulted through by an entire platoon and killed. i wont be getting into any fight with said group if i can help it unless i outnumber them. i understand that you like to make up imaginary retarded reasons but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and not putting myself into an unwinnable situation is a better option than buying a cheap gimmick to make a gimmick tactic slightly more viable to increase my chances of making it out alive from 0% to about 5% and if im just going to passively aim why not just mount a thermal imaging scope to my rifle anyway? id get clearer sight picture, magnification, and still retain night vision capability.
Okay. Hope you have good cardio.
>an organized force with standard monacles
What if their monocles aren't standardized? Say maybe Lenny got the aviation grade WPs but Frank is stuck with shitty greens with some pretty noticeable defects.
Also
>im starting a fight
Lol. Lmao even. Did you ever consider that shooting under night vision might be useful after somebody else has started the fight? Hypothetically you could even use passive aiming to shoot at all the idiots using their lasers to shoot at woodland critters and random noises as you as you flee through the forest with your gachimuchi collection.
>everyone else is shooting wildly bc... THEY JUST ARE OK!!!
>NOBODY WOULD POINT AT YOUR MUZZLE FLASH WITH THEIR LASER
>NOBODY HAS DUEL TUBE WHITE PHOS AND CAN SEE YOU CLEAR AS DAY
>NOBODY HAD ENVG COMBINED THERMAL NIGHT VISION AND CAN SEE YOUR FUCKING OUTLINE
>PASSIVE AIM BECAUSE... YOU JUST FRICKING SHOULD IN MY GAY MENTALLY RETARDED FICTIONAL SCENARIO
no thanks anon. if im going to do night fighting at all im making sure i have every advantage possibly afforded to me. and if im going to just aim through my rifle im going to just use a thermal rifle optic.
i do.
Right. My bad. I forgot that you can call time out and reset after all your friends have shown up and you have the numerical advantage. They should hire you at the Pentagon.
>im traveling through the woods alone at night
>ever
>im fighting at night in any way that isnt an ambush to intercept mlcoa
idk anon i think youre imagining retarded scenarios that wouldnt happen still. maybe if you were a little more grounded and practiced force on force a single time in your entire life you might realize that your ideas are dumb.
>but what if they roll up with vehicles and machineguns
i dont ambush them anymore because im outgunned and i stay as still as fucking possible and hope they dont notice me while they pass and i radio it up because living to fight another day is a better idea than taking a fight you know youre going to lose.
>what if they intercept you on your way to the ambush point
im taking my entire ambush element with me against what is mose likely a patrol or LPOP. ambush is off. i kill who i can and break contact before they call artillery on me.
i cant think of any scenario where i would be better served by passive aiming than an aiming laser.
>but what about le ebin Appalachian harassing sniper tactic?
youre going to take 1 shot and if they spot your muzzle flash theyre going to push and kill you and if they dont theyre going to break contact and call artillery on you which will likely kill you. either way youre not fighting effectively.
are there any other scenarios you'd like to run past me so i can explain in greater detail why risers are dumb and why you are dumb for defending them?
Jesus, anon. To quote that homosexual from two posts ago:
>MY GAY MENTALLY RETARDED FICTIONAL SCENARIO
Anon here thinks nvgs are magic fixes for it being dark out lol. Man, I've been issued PVS-31As, and used them in training and deployed. They're really great as far as nvgs go, really blow the fuck out of everything else. But you still can't see shit like you can in daylight. If the other person is using any sort of cover and concealment and practicing light discipline, it is incredibly hard to see them. You're still looking at a grainy, monocolor image with a super limited field of view and a focus that is never quite dialed in for what you want to look at.
Every single NTC/JRTC rotation, the training unit tries to do some sort of offensive night action. It always goes to shit because even with everyone having no less than PVS-14s, getting about and seeing shit in the dark is hard as fuck.
>focus that is never quite dialed in for what you want to look at.
The quintessential NVG experience
i got to play with white phos duel tubes once but they were passed to me at night and i couldnt tell you which model they were. i could see the movement of the squad setting up an ambush some 150m away in the woodline. could also see my own feet in clear detail. checked back with my pvs14s and couldnt see a fucking thing. i had probably the newest monocular there too with the least defects. still felt like i might as well have been blind in comparison could barely see the continued movement of the squad when i knew exactly where to look. white phos blows 14s out of the water so hard you might as well not even wear the 14s.
>the training unit tries to do some sort of offensive night action
those homosexuals at polk also just walk on the roads since they will just revive themselves 30 minutes later and find someone else anyway.
>white phos blows 14s out of the water
You know nothing about nods wtf am I even reading
I don't think you've ever even looked through them
>duel tube white phos
>army issued 14s are green
>the difference between the two is somehow lost on the tripfag
many such cases.
I have everything you're claiming to have used retard
do you have psq20a too? yes the fancy highspeed duel tubes that i looked through were significantly better than my pvs14s. not even not even close.
I have L3 unfilmed duals, those are currently top of the line intensifier tubes
Now show me what you have
I don't own any. I was issued pvs14s as I already said. i was passed a pair of white phos duel tubes to use for about an hour. they didn't belong to me or my unit.
i was more excited about putting them on my head and it was like 2 years ago.
no he owns sega and invented sonic for me because he said i was too autistic to play mario.
>I don't own any
And you don't know anything about night vision, as we are all painfully aware
i never claimed to be an expert on NVGs. i only have my limited experience that tells me that the white phos duel tubes i used one time outperformed my pvs14 which was only the newest because the old tube failed still some years prior and was replaced. still green and dogshit.
I have a milspec pvs14 green tube and l3 unfilmed, the difference between the two is minimal
I often wear the green mono, even when driving, because it's lighter and the difference isn't even that much
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about and you've never even used night vision
Meanwhile I own a shit ton of it and drive with it, shoot with it, have sex with it, drink beer with it, and you post on PrepHole about shit you've never even used
nagger if you spent the last 20 minutes browsing /nvg/ instead of being a massive homosexual you'd understand why we are all mocking you.
>I don't own any.
Yeah. We can tell.
Does your dad also work at Nintendo?
the dogfucker still out here tryna flex. Christ. I'm a flawed person but thank fucking god I didn't end up a furry.
I still remember when you were trying to shit on my burris LPVO and you couldn't show me a gun without a pristine brass deflector. I'll never understand you but ig some people get off on being the village idiot because they'd never get attention otherwise.
>I still remember when you were trying to shit on my burris LPVO and you couldn't show me a gun without a pristine brass deflector.
lol he's still seething
good to know i got to you so hard, looks like you'll be remembering me for the rest of your life
i shoot more than you, i just picked up 9000rds of 5.56 right before the price went up actually, feels good
seething? I forget you exist until I pop into /k/ and see you still stumbling around, sharting your cringe tripcode. Nice brass deflector btw.
i shoot more than you, and i actually do more than just consoooom like you do
>snapchat file name
holy kek
>Namefag
AHEM, i'm a tripfag not a namefag, learn the difference
lurk more before you post newfag, embarrassing
you are a gay nagger and you should have a nice day now
shut up you stupid namefag
What are all those slices? Roller cross-sections for an HK33 die?
forming mandrel for HK receivers
there's nothing wrong with using the snapchat camera for 4chins posting. any native camera app in 2023 will capture images larger than the file size limit
>he has snapchat installed
Idk what's more sad, having snapchat or still using snapchat in 2023 after it literally died off
That's like still having a MySpace
girls only send nudes through snap, you wouldn't get it
Yeah I've been with my partner for years now we are rock solid
I don't use that shit lol
of course animals wouldn't use snapchat dummy
but snap lives on among zoomers and those who fuck them
>my partner
Fag detected
Your dad bro don't talk shit
He's chill
Can't come back from that one... Take it with pride and grace like you do in the bedroom.
Why are you posting pictures of my face in reply to me?
If you taught your dog to use a phone, it's first call would be the police.
>i got to play with white phos duel tubes once but they were passed to me at night and i couldnt tell you which model they were.
Why didn't you look at them through your night vision?
lol, you'll die first even though you don't think it
If you are fighting other people with night vision passive aiming is the only option that won’t get you killed. Luckily it’s only the US and some of other western countries that issue night vision on any kind of large scale.
in what scenario that doesnt involve massive incompetents on the user's part would require passive aiming?
Anything that's either up close like clearing rooms or at a decent range that requires speed or reflex smaller than that a shooter would reasonably be able to pick up their reticle such as in high intensity nighttime operations
>trying to see your reticle through nods while clearing rooms at night for some reason
>this is somehow better than using an aiming laser.
right so this is also just incompetence. lasers are better.
> speed or reflex smaller than that a shooter would reasonably be able to pick up their reticle such as in high intensity nighttime operations
>meaningless word salad
give an example of when passive aiming is superior to an aiming laser. dont just say "uh muh high intensity night time operations!!!!!!"
is passive aiming not using a laser? I'm saying you should use a laser than just hope you can pick up your reticle through nods lol
Passive is not emitting any illumination even IR. The intention being to not be as easily observed by a peer night capability opfor. Its of minimal usage in peer force on force outside of an ambush though since in a protracted fight the opfor is just going to zero in on your muzzle flash anyway so you may as well go active and up your hit chances.
Ah that makes sense, I guess we wont really know for sure until either we go to war with the Chinese or Russians if they even manage to wrangle IR shit that's functional in any way whether passive is a meme or not
We already know that it is of some, but not a lot of use since we train peer fof all the time. The reason you see passive pushed by so many of the cool guy door kicker types is because they operate in small unit raider environments where reducing their visibility even in IR is worth it for them since they will flat out lose in a stand up fight with a conventional force of any meaningful size if they are caught.
Is all going to be thermal in a couple years anyway
>since in a protracted fight the opfor is just going to zero in on your muzzle flash anyway
And you're gonna help them do it much faster by helpfully drawing a line straight to your position.
Aiming lasers don't draw a line in the air unless the air is dirty/foggy, they aren't that powerful.
> The reason you see passive pushed by so many of the cool guy door kicker types
i have only seen it pushed by gay instagram larpers. generally speaking you treat your peq like your safety in that it only turns on when youre about to fire. reducing visibility isnt much of a factor since the only time it would be on is when theyre fighting already and are thus visible.
word salad
Illiterate detected lol, He's saying when you need reflexes that require you to point and shoot faster than one would reasonably be able to pick up their sight, that a laser would be preferable as you can aim passively as you'd just need to pick up the bright fucking line of light only you can see through your NODs to put down whoever you're encountering in such an intense scenario.
>give an example of when passive aiming is superior to an aiming laser
When the enemy also has NVGs you fucking troglodyte
You dumb homosexual LARPer, other than SWAT or special forces under what conditions would you be possibly engaging an enemy at night who is also equipped with NVG.
>other than SWAT or special forces under what conditions would you be possibly engaging an enemy at night who is also equipped with NVG.
IRS shows up at 4am and they want to talk
irs doesnt bring nods when they want to talk. and when they bring nods they dont want to talk.
Maybe I want to talk.
Getting into a gunfight with another LARPER who has nods
>use laser
>other guy with NODs can see exactly where you are and where you are aiming
Didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you
So what happens if you shoot one of these with the stock folded? It sends the BCG into your shoulder? Or does it lock the BCG somehow
It would probably break that bolt retainer
just turns into a single shot
The latch inside is rated (but not designed) to take a round. You can do it, but repeated usage in that way will break the latch.
I have one of these, it's useless AF but I've wasted money on dumber shit.
I've never understood why anyone would think adding another potential failure point to their rifle was a good idea.
This is okay for civilian users who want the gun to fit in a smaller bag, otherwise retarded
Yeah okay but how else am I supposed to fuck the buffer tube? Idiot ...
>retarded weapon modification
How do you know that thing aligns it properly? I see it mounts to the take down pin and selector hole
Mrgunsngear would tell you to use a drill press for keeping it square (aligned)
What if a person doesnt own a drill press. Hand drill and some wooden jig work?
nta but if you can't eyeball a 90 degree angle you are too blind and/or stupid to own a gun
>if you don't drill into your expensive rifle's trigger group freehand like a real man
use a press dipshit
>expensive
>at worst you buy a new lower
nagger please. Even if you mess up you aren’t harming anything. Your normal trigger works fine it’s just not going to be FA.
Before his video got nuked by YouTube, Mrgunsngear used the Bower jig one side with a hand rill, then attached the jig to the other side and finished off with the same jig
Your the man
Stay safe, stay Second Amendment
>fed posting
No, I do it for free(dom)
Fucking buy a drill press you goddamn homosexual, they cost $60 at Harbor Freight.
This, the last drill press I bought cost less than the last fucking Dremel I bought.
Cordless drill and level works fine. If you for some reason need to use a hand drill you can glue a bubble onto the end of the main handle tbh.
> how would he know
Oh you sweet summer child, the same way we all do.
I came up with this idea but its retarded cause iron sights are not needed anymore
But a good pressure switch light combo that has a two buttons and a cable for an IR device would be cool.
Make the sight folding and then it's pretty damn useful imo.
With the exception of the switch on the rail grabber Unity already has a modular solution like this.
That looks way heavier than a normal light and iron sight combo
So it isn't really making the light mount, iron sight, and pressure switch into one compact package which is the whole reason for my design
It would reduce clutter and weight on rails
But I came up with the idea literally 6 years ago and back then people almost all ran backup irons
It is, their whole schtick with it was that it was modular for multiple different configs and everything was on a short piece of top rail so your handguard type didn't matter. I'm not saying on design is superior to another just that they are very similar and one is a product people can buy now if they want it.
Maybe i'll draw up a revised version of mine because it definitely could be improved upon
It needs two buttons on the switch portion that have tactile bulging on top to differentiate the two
And a cable port so you can connect the right or left button up to an illuminator/lazer combo
And then the iron sight portion would bold down to cover both switches
And the light mount portion would be rotateable like the surefire mounts
I'm never going to make it tho so its hard to convince myself to spend the time doing a new drawing
I have other better ideas that would be easier to achieve
My mother is a good seamstress and I have some shooting bag Ideas that I would do before ever doing this
Put the light on the right of the rail/sight instead of the left.
That way it reduces potential interference with slings, and it's not rubbing against the user when slung.
iron sights will be handy after a massive solar flare kill off electronics
>not keeping your spare electronics in a faraday bag
NGMI
yeah good luck with that
>there will be enough electricity in the air to kill every isolated circuit on earth.
>somehow living things won't be fucked also.
Solar/emp fags really have no clue how much power is needed for something like that to happen.
Sounds like you're the one without a clue.
This, I played call of duty 2 and like, it said optics wouldn't work bro.
Fucking retard.
ACOG will still reign supreme
ACOG's on Mars
>fronth
>sig
>light
oh no. im retarded.
Isn't that rail system in use by the USAF for the survival carbines they're issuing to pilots?
The Gau-5a is the Cry Havoc barrel system and a standard stock with some dark wizardry folding pistol grip. I went one "better" and added the Leo folding stock, making a 7.5" 300blk AR that fits in a lunchbox.
>its a magazine for magazines
hilarious
yo dawg i heard you like magazines
how about this but it's an ammo can to run a belt fed off of
that'll be 599 us dollars plus shipping please
you're right, anon, any modifications to Perfection™ would be retarded
That explains the nonexistent glock aftermarket
>the world is filled with retards
is this a surprise to you?
whats is the purpose of ops pic
Money
It's a set of iron sights.
Why is it in pistol format? I dunno. But that's what it's for.
People who think they're too high speex low drag for SeeAll open sights
April fools joke, but some people took it seriously
It's called the c-note because it cost 100 bucks and came on on April 1st it can't be more obvious
>not using the best iron sight
This fucking turd
>No it does not look cool
>No you don't look like a space marine on mars
>Your tastes are bad and you should rethink life
>Yes you are a homosexual
>Yes you are a cuck in a bluestate
anything to justify this shit is pure cope
You forgot
>uncomfortable as fuck
But AR57
That shit-head in New Zealand ruined it for everyone too.
>Shit head
More like glownagger but shithead does accurately describe them
>incel jealous that he would never have a higher k/d than the average sex haver
MANY SUCH CASES!!! also nu/k/ is full of fags. sad stuff!!!
>we let the liberals Molon labe
get them back. We mutts aren’t far behind. I’m betting on 2025 AWB after 2020 repeats next year. Losing is only going to be an option for so long.
Yeah, he missed (you) homosexual
Looks like one of the bizarre, pseudo-futuristic guns from Starfield.
I think it looks cool. like a space marine on mars
>Yes you are a cuck in a bluestate
grabber states just copy the AWB which disallows thumbhole stocks RETARD
They sell a plate that screws in to fill the thumbhole.
they also sell this. I don't see what your point is
Seen more with the thumbhole+plate than the fin grip.
someone post the one with the halo grunt flag
i want the stock but in wood
Just get ADAR
Hera Arms, walmart-tier airshit plastic at Magpul premiums.
Thats foul
Patricians know that you could fill those empty spaces with home depot sealant foam and make for a fairly rugged stock. Then again patricians also used to work and fiddle with their guns rather than just purchase another appendix solution.
I know someone who has one of these. I am embarrassed for him.
I like it.
has the right idea.
Hera things do look nice on their own but once on a gun look gay as shit.
They need to make a gun that actually looks slick with their shit.
>YWNBAMG34
what the fuck
Transferable FA lower+MG-34 upper=FA MG-34
>why did anon post a regular mg3- OH MY GOD
Full auto lower plus that upper equals full auto MG-34. I’ve seen conversions for a MAC-11 to fit on an MG-42 upper receiver
I could see a reenactor wanting one of these. Otherwise? Pointless.
>no bottom surgery
I’m fairly confident the cnote is a joke.
you'd be wrong larue is just as coked out as keltecs engineers
He sells MBTs at a loss just to spite Bill Geissele so he gets a pass
Larue does make some wacky stuff, but his mounts are great and even the weird stuff is good quality.
A tungsten cube.
based
idk if pic related counts or not, but someone I know built one when all the brace bullshit first started and it's cool a shit
How does the trigger work in these fucking things I can't wrap my head around it.
you jam a coat hanger in there are bending it for a bit
yes the trigger is ass and is the reason many people attribute bullpups to having ass triggers
looking at you too you bullpuped SKS
What's the intended purpose?
recoil mitigation probably
To have a tungsten cube on my gun.
Check out
instead of wrecking your wrists with 10mm recoil, the gun wrecks itself
validating metal frame superiority in an oblivious and hilarious roundabout way.
where do I purchase, the cube?
looks printed
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XZBIJLS enjoy
An Army which carries the cube before it...is invincible.
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XZBIJLS
this is the tungsten cube i bought in 2017 for my glock 19. it is still working great, can recommend for anyone looking for a tungsten cube.
Thank you for the recommendation, I was looking for a good tungsten cube
it also makes an excellent desk ornament to fuck with people when it isnt acting as your glock counterweight.
obviously it is heavier than a kilogram of feathers, it's tungsten!
Is this heavier or lighter than a kilogram of feathers?
Tungsten is heavier than feathers
tfw no subscribe and save
>Great conversation piece
Yep, good ol' cube.
Lol this was what I thought of too. I want one but I can't afford that much for a meme rn 🙁
updates: my friend raised a valid concern that it can be considered a "front hand grip" since you can technically "grip it with your hand" (even though it will make you shoot worse, and you can grip flashlights the same way), so I added spikes to make it impossible to "grip it with your hand" - hard to say if it made it more legal or not, but it looks much better
took it to the range once - it does dramatically reduce felt recoil, and did not break the pistol - frame looks as bent as it was when I bought this perfection
So fucking based Holy shit
I've never had a dog in my entire life
A muzzle weight, standoff device, and steak tenderizer.
And a tungsten cube on top of all that.
>updates: my friend raised a valid concern that it can be considered a "front hand grip"
who cares
nobody follows that fag rule anyway
ave nex alea
you turned it into a mace with spikes lmao
Finally. An ar15 that shoots Glocks.
What handguard is that?
A.R.M.s something another I don't recall the exact model.
>fumble fucking with your sidearm is NEVER faster than reloading
the miracle of birth
VFGs on shotguns
>vfg on shotgun pistol
Rip your dog
Not a pistol, a firearm. Firearms can have VFGs without issue.
Why not have a gun mount that holds it centered on your chest and lets you pull the trigger with a string on your teeth. Then you could akimbo pistols or grenades while being an upgraded version of the guy from from dusk til dawn. Asking for a friend
>pay money for a bad sight and the right to turn your gun into a LaRue advertisement with that massive logo
gross
disgusting
Just get the offset dot plate, dummy.
God it's even dumber I didn't think you could hurt me like this anon.
now we're talking
MORE.jpg
>farrow.tech/larue-c-note-red-dot-base/
the website for anyone who wants it.
>Can you reproduce by budding?
>can ya?
>can ya?
>can ya?
kek
>Hodge
so fucking based anon
any modern ar attachment, basically
All of these tiny red dot sights on tiny guns. Not as retarded as the Deltapoint micro or the Meprolight bullseye sight, but still dumb. All these companies are just trying to reinvent the wheel and then hand it off to their marketing department to tell you that you will absolutely die if you don't have it on your carry gun.
I wish instead of this stupid shit mark had just focused on the items that were strengths.
Like maybe instead of doubling the price of one of the best free float quads on the market with no improvement, maybe make them out of titanium or something so they could be lighter and stronger.
I'm still salty about the $400 fuck you for those.
Stop replying to the dogfucker and filter him you retards. He will never make a single post worth reading so you won't miss anything.
t. nonods seething
all these stupid homosexuals itt that don't realize this was a limited run joke product
JP made the same thing starting back in the 90s.
I kind of like the idea for a home defense carbine, except if you have a flashlight on the gun there's no argument against one more thing that needs batteries and cheap red dots exist now.
collapsible stocks - a non-solution for a non-problem that adds a layer of inconvenience, and 0 benefits unless you have to hop in and out of a humvee a lot every day (you will never set foot inside a military vehicle)
you've never worn body armor
Actually they are highly convenient for expanding into night mode
and then collapsing into normal/day mode
i don’t get the argument
a riser really don’t make it much harder to shoot normally
if it does nothing at all, nothing was lost
if it does something at all, that something was free
at least besides the skyscraper risers, i mean 1.9… i mean it’s just not really that noticeable
i’ve mounted scopes on lever guns with worse cheek welds that take harder shots on game
>inna perfectly good thread
>autistic tripfag who fucks dogs and is hated by every single person on the board comes and ruins it to sate his ego
Many such cases. This thread, this board, everything would be better off without you.
Ok then stop replying?
You're the problem bro, I'm always on topic
The gayfag makes another thread to blogpost about his life
You just can't help yourself can you?
hey dogfucker you do any neat cetme shit lately?
don't even reply unless you've got a 5" 308
Boomers will buy anything
NODs is and always has been a meme. I have a pair that I use for innawoods night walking for funsies, but for shooting they are fucking retarded. If you are a single person facing an enemy who are also NVG capable you are outnumbered and fucked. If you and your LARP buddies are facing a team of government agents with NVG you are fucked, because they get paid to train in them and in team CQB at least 50 hours a month. Having a high mounted RDS prevents you from being able to lie in a bush/hide for 8 hours aimed down your rifle and basically fall asleep on it which is what a fed fears more than anything else.
>facing prepared enemies
van -> family of enemy -> violence -> van -> profit
simple as
KYS israelite.
Any fed can find your family, but you don't have access to those systems though. Any fed/cop with half a brain has already removed themselves from public online databases.
why would i be going up against nobodies with no impact on decision making retard
anyone with weight has had their names and addresses published