ITT: Controversial takes, no matter how retarded. I'll start:. Glocks are the Honda Civics of handguns Posted on May 1, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor ITT: Controversial takes, no matter how retarded. I'll start: Glocks are the Honda Civics of handguns
Not really controversial tbqh, I think most people would agree.
Here’s another non-controversial take most people will agree with:
OP’s a gay
>OP’s a gay
absolutely not a controversial take
7.62x39 is the best urban and woodland fighting round ever made
>implying .308 isn't far superior
You're entitled to your opinion but it's wrong
>only available in ancient rifles or shit tier AR-10s
>not engaging your foes in combat with FALs
you have to think harder, m8
>doorkicking with a 21 inch barrel
>actually going into building with a .308 instead of just shooting through the walls
>Actually going anywhere near the building instead of hitting it with an RPG or calling in a JDAM
Yeah but then gays on the news call you out for dropping bombs instead of risking your men's lives by sending them to clear buildings room by room. You're fucked no matter which option you pick.
Just light the fucking building on fire anon, you don't even need to enter the building.
Door kicking is a fucking meme and is one of the most dangerous kinds of combat you can be engaged in, ie something that should be avoided at all cost. Only reason people are as fucking infatuated with it as they are is because video games heavily focus on very short range combat with a bit of GWOT sprinkled in to convince people that it's totally practical to be hyperfocused on. Not once however do people stop and consider the absolutely massive number of times that they normally die in games, nor that gunshot wounds that you can just walk off in video games will take you out of action and can very well kill you or leave you fucked up for life, nor that fuck tons of work goes into designing and balancing video games to have them even be fun in the first place.
Fighting in any urban environment is hell and one of the few that really favors solos over organized groups
Really one should get the fuck out of the city in a SHTF scenario
>and one of the few that really favors solos over organized groups
Literally no situation favors solos over organized groups.
Tons of situations do, you just don't like thinking about self preservation
Plenty of MOH recipients were solo in their valorous commitment to protecting others
you can get fals with 16 in barrels
That's what a breaching charge followed by 2-3 grenades is for.
Or just CG the fucking wall with a delay action HE.
"Doorkicking" is for SWAT.
>le inches nerd
It doesnt matter at all if your gun is dick length longer or shorter
>wounds are indistinguishable from pistol calibers
>there is only one type of bullet on the market
Fuck off retard.
I love seeing pic related because it's always the first thing 5.56 copers post. "Here's muh 3 examples, thus 7.62x39 is bad round" when it's killed way more people than 5.56 in the grand scheme. There were dudes in theater who dropped their M4's for an AK. Show me the comparison between m855 out of a 16 inch vs 7.62x39 soft point.
And there are Spetsnaz that use M4 platform weapons instead of AK’s what’s your point
Are you fucking retarded? My point is in my comment. You have the reading comprehension of six year old. Doesn't surprise me though, PrepHole got raided by zogbots and redditors. have a nice day.
>"Here's muh 3 examples, thus 7.62x39 is bad round"
It's not *just* 3 examples. 7.62x39 has notoriously poor terminal ballistics, comparable to handgun cartridges. Compare the ballistics results in pic related, specifically the 5.56 to 7.62 results.
>it's killed way more people than 5.56 in the grand scheme.
And .22 lr has killed more than both. So what?
>There were dudes in theater who dropped their M4's for an AK
Yeah, retards. So? There are boomers who swear up and down that their 45 will knock you flat on your feet, but that a 9 will get stopped by a thick jacket. Who cares what idiots think?
>muh soft point
And there's the catch. Soft point 7.62 actually does real well. So does soft point 5.56. Again, see pic rel. It's a shame that 95% of 7.62x39 on the market (and 100% of the cheap stuff) is all going to be shitty FMJs.
>Compare the ballistics results in pic related
>features 7.62x39mm loaded with a bullet designed in 1943 and one loaded with a bullet designed in the 1960s being compared to loadings developed as recently as the 2000s
>It's a shame that 95% of 7.62x39 on the market (and 100% of the cheap stuff) is all going to be shitty FMJs.
That's pretty much every caliber on the market you fucking retard.
the ballistics results in pic related
7.62x39mm loaded with a bullet designed in 1943 and one loaded with a bullet designed in the 1960s being compared to loadings developed as recently as the 2000s
Yes really. It's the reality of comparing the most common types of ammo for those rifles. I'm sorry that your beloved 7.62x39 is old as fuck and requires specialty bullets in order to be effective. Maybe you shouldn't be so attached to a cartridge from 1943, as you pointed out. "It's from 1943!!!!11!11!!!" isn't a defense. Modernity is a feature. The fact that most x39 is archaic bullshit with demonstrable shortcomings isn't a feature.
>That's pretty much every caliber on the market you fucking retard.
Yeah but 5.56 FMJs produce gnarly wounds, and are more viable for actual use. x39 REQUIRES good bullet selection in order to function like a modern fighting rifle. 5.56 does not. I am sorry that you are retarded.
>be seriously concerned with terminal ballistics
>fixate on the open air soft target advantages of FMJ 5.56 when it completely fails to fragment >15% of the time, skyrocketing if you fall out of m193 specs in an unfavorable way
>MV, jacket thickness, cannelure presence, and bullet geometry all play considerable roles in this and 15% is an optimistic outlook given so many X factors
>VAST majority of 55gr 5.56 loads completely lack any sort of meaningful testing to establish where they fall in this scheme
>ignore advantages of 7.62x39 FMJ when it comes to post barrier performance
Pure autism. You want reliable good terminal performance with either and arent retarded or a coping poorfag then you get a quality SP, BT, or HP regardless. If you use a quality SP, BT, or HP then 7.62x39 absolutely claps all but perhaps a single 5.56 load at typical defensive distances because the increased weight and diameter outweighs the velocity benefits of 5.56. I say this as someone who likes and appreciates pretty much all intermediate calibers for their various benefits(except 5.45 fuck that guy), 7.62x39 and 7.62x35 are absolutely the kings of raw terminal performance at typical defensive ranges when properly loaded and the only competition is the effectively dead 6.8 SPC.
Ah, I see. You explained it better, and I don't actually disagree on much.
>I say this as someone who likes and appreciates pretty much all intermediate calibers for their various benefits
>7.62x39 and 7.62x35 are absolutely the kings of raw terminal performance at typical defensive ranges when properly loaded
Correct. To go a step further, I think almost any rifle cartridge would have "pretty great" performance with modern loadings. Modern OTM and soft point projectiles are just so good, it really does just come down to what you like.
Verification not required.
it's literally a bait image, and you retards fall for it ever time
w-what about 300memeout?
I’d say they’re more of a Camry.
I was gonna say Toyota, but nothing so fine as the Camry. My Glockyota just works.
What's with the grip?
its a hogue handall, extremely popular before we started making handguns with factory grip texture in the mid 2000s. I swear to god, everything was modeled after a bar of soap before gen 4 glocks and Hogue was the only economical solution.
I treat mine like a civic and put of gay mods on it
Agreed. Dependable, reliable, boring.
Nah, 92ds is a camry
Shotguns are the single best firearm type that exists.
rifles are basically dedicated slug guns tbqmfh
Based beyond reason. I love my shotties. Powerful, versatile, more range than imaginable.
I can imagine 100 yards
Eventually I'll dual-wield some short barrels against the enemy hordes, but for now I shitpost
I used to have that opinion but nowadays I genuinely believe they're one of the least important guns you can own. Versatile sure but I'd still prefer a handgun or a rifle for anything besides hunting birds.
(double) double-aughts, it's so over shotgunbros.
If glock is covic, what isnrrd80 camry?
Every firearm should have an automatic setting.
Yes, every firearm.
The thought of switching my rolling block .22 to full auto somehow made me giggle.
Purely for self-defence scenarios, right?
And all long guns should be CONSTANT RECOIL. Controllable full auto has been solved ever since Jim Sullivan designed the ultimax, but for fake and gay reasons, they aren’t ubiquitous.
And All long guns should be outfitted with a can as the default muzzle device. If cans weren’t NFA, this may have been the case.
it isn’t the case where cans are freely legal because hanging all that weight off the end of every gun is a trade off many don’t want when they can just wear their ears
>full auto bolt action
God damn that would hurt my wrist
This, but we should also get recoiless rifles along with silenced recoiless "assassin's/hitman" pistols.
guns are adult toys
unless you're into competitive shooting and participate in matches, being overly serious about gun ownership is silly
By that measure, comp sports are childrens games
You are now aware of surrogate activities.
Pretty much this. Hearing anons argue about AR vs AK is hilarious when they'll both never shoot at anyone and if they did it would be at distances and situations where none of that matters.
99% of gun culture is men doing it for fun. None of us really need a gun.
I shoot glocks and own a civic. Im okay with this.
My wife hasn't shot hers in years preferring a Smith 642 but she won't let me sell it - something about metal detectors.
Thats not a real glock 7, those are made in Germany
Just snuck a dozen home from my trip to Europe. Metal detectors couldn't see a thing
I hope they survived the trip without chipping or cracking the Teutonic porcelain.
Gun technology and aesthetics peaked with bolt actions
but that's neither retarded nor controversial
>Gun technology and aesthetics peaked with the early 1900s
FTFY. Tons of aesthetic guns across the board that will all get the job done just fine to this day.
You're wrong. There were plenty of ugly as fuck bolt actions. They are just obscure now and the better designs have won.
Glocks are for cucked gun owners who can't own suppressors.
People who suppress Glocks willfully ignore the mechanical issues that arise from putting weight on the barrel.
Doesn't that apply to any tilting barrel?
not if the gun was designed for suppressors.
>People who suppress Glocks willfully ignore the mechanical issues that arise from putting weight on the barrel.
if you put enough weight on the barrel, you will start tilting your wrist instead of the barrel, and the problem will go away
you can google this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Xm_UbA3oQ
>glock is the only short recoil operated handgun
Such a Chad I buy dagger after dagger and just replace the whole gun when there's a problem. I spend more on ammo than a dagger costs each range trip.
the point of diminishing returns for electro-optics starts at $500. If you need more than picrel on a carbine and aren't in the DoD you are a goysoomer
>If you need more than picrel on a carbine and aren't in the DoD you are a goysoomer
What do you need the magnifier for?
just to piss off LPVO users
>i actually enjoy the versatility of infinite eye relief for close, freehand shooting and zoom for bench/bipod distances
>t. maxxes out credit card every time he get an email from his EOTECH alert on gundeals
>the point of diminishing returns for electro-optics starts at $500
If you are talking red dots, I would say more like $200.
Does this sight placement render the backup sights useless? This is like the 3rd time this week I have seen a red dot sight or scope blocking the backup iron sights. Please feel free to call out my retardation though.
The magnifier flips out of the way so you can use BUIS through the red dot glass. Or you could mount them on the barrel shroud like a mongrel
Modern .380 self defense ammo is adequate and effective.
Only controversial to boomers and some internet hardasses. Most .380 +P or self-defense loads clear the 12" FBI requirement and nobody who's going to get shot is going to be able to tell the difference in the first place. If you can carry 9mm instead, it's probably for the best, but shitting on people with just a .380 is retarded.
Given "modern", yes.
Lot of crap ammo out there, though. If you're cheap maybe get something else.
OTOH, if you'd trust a .38 special. 380 is about the same.
A single stack pistol in .380 hollow point will be effective in most circumstances.
I like the Underwood "EXTREME PENETRATOR" rounds and think they're very viable self defense loads for rounds smaller than 9mm that don't move fast enough to expand reliably
Do Honda Civics break down during 1/3rd of actual commutes? Because the Glock has a failure in 1/3rd of gunfights.
>panicky cops gorilla gripping their service piece after only firing it one day a year to qualify
What's the failure rate among CCW as opposed to adrenaline fueled rookies?
>Because the Glock has a failure in 1/3rd of gunfights.
Yeah. That's why most western specops with infinite choice and money pick glocks over anything else.
what is the Tok then?
Kek when I went to Moscow in 2004 the cops still had them.
lada's are actually a pretty sweet concept. its like a less reliable soviet subaru justy
It's originally a Fiat design
I had a Land Rover D90 which was built around a 1960’s Buick V8 so you could fix it without chips and sensors same for those clever Lada owners. I took a Russian chick on a date years ago and when she climbed in she said with a snarl “Iz this military vehicle?”
the all aluminum one or an actually good buick engine
Toks or Ladas?
H&K guns are not impressive, IIRC a lot of their price fuckery is due to import/export laws, but every time I look at one and see the price tag I ask "for what?"
The shooting community would unironically be better off if there was a federal AR-15 ban. Not an assault weapon ban, just a ban on all AR platform based rifles.
Based, the AR-15 has been a disaster for western arms development and usage.
That's completely stupid. Like so many of the moron tier idiot NFA laws it solves actually zero problems. Banning particular types of guns just moves the meta to other guns. You need a comprehensive common sense total gun ban to actually be effective.
Remove the NFA and GCA68 and watch as people can actually experiment with other guns like the MP5 instead of another 11.5 300 Blk AR pistol
FMKs are better than glocks.
>THANK YOU: ARMED FORCES
Fucking boomers kek
I'm in the navy. They gave the grip and slides out in the place I was training at.
In that case then it's acceptable. I was just assuming they put all that on all the guns
I really hope you got a heavy discount on that, I'd unironically rather carry a hot pink LCP than that gay shit
>this is where the rust has chosen to form
Total boomer death
.350 Legend is superior to .300 blk in every way except for recoil impulse, which still isn't that bad, suppressor choices, and non-standard mags.
The modern day capacity/reload obsession is a fucking meme. Unless you're chasing an attacker down and giving them a reason to behave like a cornered animal (at which point you risk forfeiting your claim to self defense), there is zero reason for a shootout to go on long enough for your to actually use that ammo.
The trend of min-maxing for edge cases in the shooting community is also fucking retarded and regularly results in pushing options that are worse in most other cases.
>The modern day capacity/reload obsession is a fucking meme
There was actually a statistical study that proved that. I can't remember where I saw it, nor do I have a link, because it was at least 5 years ago. But in a study of like 200 hundred of civilian self defense shootings, there was only once instance of a reload. One. That represents 0.5% (one half of one percent). It simply almost never happened. Someone is going to be shot, maybe both people shot, or one or both people are going to run away. Police shootouts are another story, of course, since they have a duty to resolve the conflict.
>The modern day capacity/reload obsession is a fucking meme.
Yeah, I took my time searching through the self defense cases listed on gunviolencearchive.org last year, and there were 58 self defense cases total with more than 3 attackers shot since 2014. For comparison, there were 81 cases of home defense alone where the defender was killed since 2014. The reality is that there isn't enough time to burn through a significant amount of ammo, and if you're dealing with an attacker who isn't interested in running away then your chances of getting shot and possibly killed are quickly approaching 1 every second you spend turning ammo into noise rather than good hits. Even for cops, there's a reason why they started getting body armor before they started moving away from revolvers.
DESU, I've tried plenty of the gucci shit and it really doesn't do anything better than glocks, eHispanically gen5. At the end of the day, it really comes down to comfort and personal preference.
Revolvers are the best pistol and autos are a meme.
Maxed reliability and ease. Easier to load no stress or high stress.
Plus they point better, single action revolvers especially, and cartridges are generally superior both performance wise and for loading
One can use a .357 revolver for self-defense, shooting at range, hunting, etc
Meanwhile your average semi-auto handgun is only really good at the former
Carrying in condition 3 is perfectly valid if you train for it and the time/sound/ergonomic penalty of chambering a round on the draw is overstated as a downside.
I like Condition 1. All I have to do is swipe the safety, and I can shoot.
Also, I don't think I can do proper Condition 3 on my CZ-75. It seems I can only engage the safety in full cock, and walking around with safety off, uncocked, seems dangerous.
Am I correct in my carry practice? Cocked, and locked?
t. new fag
>Also, I don't think I can do proper Condition 3 on my CZ-75. It seems I can only engage the safety in full cock, and walking around with safety off, uncocked, seems dangerous.
That's Condition 2. Round in the chamber, hammer down.
So if your safety is off, all you need a double-action trigger pull to fire.
The 5 conditions, as Jeff Cooper (same guy who made the 4 rules of gun safety) defined them, are a measure of how far away you are from being able to fire.
4 - Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down.
3 - Chamber empty, full magazine, hammer down.
2 - Round chambered, full magazine, hammer down.
1 - Round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety on.
0 - Round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety off.
Okay, then I suppose I meant 2. It seems unsafe to leave a hammer uncocked, with safety off. It could strike the primer, or something. The safety won't go on unless I full cock it.
Most modern handguns have a lifter+pin block or some other mechanism that “locks” the firing pin in place unless the trigger is pulled. It’s part of the whole “drop safe” design. The CZ75 P-01 has this, I know the competition models and the B(?) does not, since this mechanism adds a little bit to the trigger pull.
what about half-cock?
Condition two would work for handguns like the 92FS
Condition one is optimal for 1911s and USPs
I don't understand why you wouldn't have a 92fs in condition one.
Because its a combo safety/decocker on the 92FS. And not like the HKs where its three position. Its either safety off or safety on and decocked. The exception is the 92X Performance and 92Xi which have 1911 stule frame safeties
Gotcha, I didn't know that. I thought you were saying to leave it in condition zero and was confused.
Why the fuck would you be worried about a safety being off when there isn't a round in the chamber?
>penalty of chambering a round on the draw is overstated as a downside.
>need both hands
>risk of short stroking the slide due to many variables
I don’t know, modern well made pistols, in a proper holster, kind of defeats the purpose of carrying condition 3.
>need both hands
works on my machine
agree if holstered IWB and especially if part of a unit
safety should work in quarter cock
Real controversial take:
The military turns people into a mix of a fudd and bootlicker where they think that only those that serve should be able to own a gun
Fucking this my buddy was the long haired duster with cargo shorts and boots wearing long haired commy, did navy boot got rated into a computer chair(he was already a massive gamer) and now he spews the most braindead gun control devil's advocate Bs and always has a holier than thou attitude cause 'I have a clearance' and daddy gubby tells me I'm a special boy whenever anything military related is discussed. It's super faggy I preferred the cringe commy but I mean he's doing well financially and has a gf and shit so I'm not gonna put him down it's just annoying as fuck talking to him about literally anything anymore it's bleeding into his entire personality.
I would cut him off from your life
I couldn't stand being with a toxic fag like him
What do you guys even share now that make you buddies? I had a moron friend when I was younger but we grew apart because all he wanted to do was drugs and fight people on the street. Sometimes the people you see as friends are just people with zero in common that for one reason or another you ended up hanging out with in your youth.
I've been asking myself that for a while now. It's gotten to the point that we're basically just roommates, gaming was pretty much what we had in common, we used to play games together a lot it was basically how we met but he gets obsessed in an autistic way while being adamant that it's all for fun and maybe it's fun for him but it's draining and always made me feel like I'm just a warm body to be there while he does stuff he's ruined a lot of games for me like that I still haven't gotten around to playing borderlands because of it. And thinking on it basically any project I've started with him he's like that where even if it was my idea he just slowly takes it over and makes changes until it's not even something I care about. He was in debate club and fallacy fallacy is his specialty and I didn't realize he was just being a moron who had to always be right so any discussion was eggshells because he'd act like the moment he found a fallacy it was proof he was right. Jesus writing it all out it just feels like I'm friends with him still because he's helped me out a lot and been there for me but also because he genuinely doesn't have any other actual friends, hes got gaming buddies and people he chats with on discord and stuff and he's got a girlfriend but no real actual friends id say. I'm sure once I move out we'll stay acquainted but I already don't really feel close as friends at all
They just work, and some of them are fast.
>Glocks are the
Ford Fairmont's in looks.
>you may not like it but this is peak preformance
>>you may not like it but this is peak performance
As is this!
a stone beats a stick
Ok then M&P 2.0 gets to tbe the F150
>peerless reliability even when it's frozen and covered in mud
>price competitive for what you get
What is the 2006 ford focus of firearms?
Pic rel, but might be more like the Ford Fiesta
whats the ibishu pigeon of firearms?
you dont drive 4 inches off center because of how unergonomic they are though
I like grip safetys and wish more guns had them.
Not controversial at all. I've always said it was the Toyota Camry of handguns. Reliable but boring.
Whole conceal carrying, I always have a round in the chamber, but my house guns never do. I keep them with a full magazine, but empty chamber. Something about one in the pipe in the house just seem unnecessary to me. Maybe because my house is basically inpenetrable. I have tripled paned windows with storm windows, always locked, which are high enough off the ground that you would need a step ladder to climb through. And both entrance doors also have the screen doors locked. They are also rigged so that the door knob lock does not turn from the inside, meaning someone could not simply break the window and reach in and unlock the door. The key is necessary. This means they would have to kick in my doors or pry them open, after prying open the screen doors. In other words, to get into my house would make a fuck-ton of noise and I would be wide awake by the time anyone got in.
I'm kind of the same way too where everything is with a loaded mag and no round in the chamber
However if riots and shit are going on around the country I will keep them loaded
Same with hurricanes, I dread being in the aftermath of an Andrew-tier monster
I agree. And not having a round in the pipe for a house gun also drastically reduces the risk for a ND. Any time I have company, I remove the mags and hide the guns, too, because nogunz are fucking stupid. If they find a gun on accident, their way to "see if it's real" is to pull the trigger. Fucking morons.
I would smack anyone who got close to my guns without my permission
tbh this is pretty reasonable and a lot of people do it like that. My rule of thumb is round in the chamber for an on body gun and out of the chamber for an off body gun. If ive got the time to go grab the gun then i have enough time to chamber a round too, if its an on body gun then i may not but i do sometimes play that by ear like if i felt a need to have an HD gun within reach but trouble didnt seem eminent. It takes time to kick in a front door or break a window and make entry, a lot more time then it takes to run a slide or charging handle and im not tryna have to cycle rounds every week when i relube and run an action or whatever.
>ITT: Controversial takes, no matter how retarded
5.56 ballistics, both external and terminal, are fucking worthless with less than an 18" barrel
Braindead. Look at what a 75gr BTHP or 77gr TMK does at SBR esq impact velocities and get back to me. Nearly fistable holes on target is far from worthless when it comes to terminal effect.
I didn't say shorter barrels with good ammo did nothing. I just think it's insufficient. If you are going to use a shoulderable gun, use something with some fucking energy and devastation behind it. Short barrel ARs are approaching handgun ballistics at close range, and at extended ranges they are fucking shit.
>nearly fistable holes
>approaching handgun ballistics
BRAINDEAD. Heavy for caliber fragmenting rounds in 5.56 produce wound diameters comparable to higher weight retention .308 loads while offering plenty of penetration for bipedal threats. The wounding diameter of higher weight retention .308 is widely considered to be sufficient for practically any game in north america short of coastal grizzlies and maybe bison, even thats debatable though. Properly loaded 5.56 is very effective even from shorter barrels, if you doubt that then maybe do a bit less napkin math and read some verifiable reports from hunters and such using these loads.
I see you have a short barrel you are defending, like your short dick. If you think short barrels offer any advantage to the superior ballistics of longer barrels other than maneuverability, then perhaps you just might be retarded.
why do people even like 18"? go 20 or 16 IMO, the only reason it was chosen for the SPR was bureaucratic procurement bullshit.
Pocket carry is a superior form of carry.
>Never worry about printing.
>Pocket guns come in 9mm and 380, more than enough power
>Criminal won't know why you're reaching in your pocket, probably thinks you're giving him money
>If you reach in your waist band, the criminal knows what you're grabbing for because they carry guns too
> Pocket guns are cheaper
>Lightweight so it won't drag your pants to the ground.
shootability is a major downside though. Regardless what pocket pistols do you rec anon?
NTA but I believe this is a pretty optimal setup:
> p365 in .380, flush mag for max conceal
> extra 12rd if I have space in other pocket(s)
> holosun EPS carry for enclosed emitter to combat dust, lint, etc.
Can easily change uppers to go to 9mm with a comp if you wanted to while still remaining easily concealable with AIWB or something in the winter where clothes are more permitting.
Sig 9mm mags feed .380 fine in my experience, so mags are also interchangeable (they're basically the same except the 380s have an insert at the back to compensate for shorter 380 bullets).
I think 45 is a shitty caliber unless it's being used in a 10 inch barrel. The velocity out of a pistol is so slow it's ridiculous. Maybe it was good in the trenches of world wars or for a cop in the 50's, but I wouldn't trust .45 to protect my life. If you want something big, go for .40 instead.
Amazon/eBay optics are good enough for the vast majority of shooters.
assuming ICE vehicles are eventually supplanted by electrics in the future, will people still continue to make dumb car metaphors in a couple decades
CZ is the Tesla of guns
Colt is the Ford of guns
HiPoint is the Nissan Altima of guns
I can keep going but you get the point
Chinese electric cars are unironically an actual hazzard.
The concealed carry pistol market has gone full retard over the last 10 years. I've always said I'm fine with people buying and carrying whatever they want, but I'm getting tired of the manufacturers and uneducated buyers pushing this "gotta take every advantage you can" mentality beyond the point of rationality. About thirty years ago, the MK23 was designed as an offensive combat handgun, and it held 12 rounds in a mag. But after the P365xl came out, some people consider anything less than 15 to be a compromise, which is evident in the Glock 43x/Shield Arms situation. The MK23 had a H&K trigger and all that implies, but today you need that lightened trigger kit on your carry gun, and of course that manual safety that was on the MK23 would get you killed in a gunfight. Then we add on compensators, WMLs, optics, and all sorts of other silly shit, some of which didn't even exist in relation to carry guns just 10 years ago. Yet nobody ever died in a DGU due to a lack of having it.
And as I said, you buy what you want, but I'm pissed that the whole industry runs on this shit now. Especially the "optics ready" meme that has gotten to fucking up guns for people who don't care about optics. The new Beretta Cheetah sacrifices any realistic chance of aftermarket rear sight options just so a minority of buyers can mount an optic. The Ruger Max 9 has iron sights that can't be bought in a set because the front and rear use dovetail patterns from different manufacturers who aren't Ruger, just for front sight cowitness. I bet by 2040, handguns don't even come with irons, just like rifles now.
This is how it works
>Military needs to use something for their niche and specialized missions
>It bleeds into LEOs
>Civilians try to copy cops and military
>Companies pick up on this and start shilling products
>Nothing sells better than fear so they either imply or flat out say things like "if you don't have this it will get you killed!"
>Retarded civilians who have never even been in a fist fight and have zero experience with violence will eat all this up
>After eating this up they'll start arguing with everyone about needing such item because it makes them feel like a knowledgeable operator and it validates their expensive purchase
Rinse and repeat. Which is why you have people here unironically shilling for things they'll never use in a deadly encounter. And they're serious about it too lol
Nah. It's like cars. You don't make shit on the basic car, but you get fat profit by charging for options and accessories.
Have you two ever considered that you're now the old men that scream at the clouds?
I know that's who I am now, but I didn't expect it to come so soon. In the last 10 years, things have changed so much and I admit that I'm frustrated that products no longer appeal to me at all. Out of all the companies making these micro compact carry guns, would it kill someone to make a DA/SA or DAO hammer fired pistol? That's what I learned on and that's what I prefer, but I still like the idea of carrying something small and light. Also, while I don't have anything against polymer, I hate how it mostly doesn't offer any end user grip customization. You can't change the width, nor anything about it, with different grip panels. We see the market going through cycles of finger grooves vs. no finger grooves where buyers are at the mercy of whatever is currently popular, when in the past, you could just change that with a wraparound grip. So yeah, I might just be screaming at the clouds, but at least I know that things actually used to be better, and those clouds are going to get an earful.
Totally feel ya on that. First duty gun issued in 1994 and my BUG i bought as soon as it came out in 1997? since there were almost no options besides an AMT Backup that met regulations.
Controversial take: the eeeeee helmet was the best thing to ever come to this board
Ancient weapons and hokey religion are no match for good blaster at your side kid
My armorer says this is a good blaster
But I don’t speak cat well
>posts the absolute most basic bitch normie take anyone could possibly have
Am I getting trolled
"I need it to defend muhself!"
You aren't immune to the 21-foot rule. If someone wants to invade your space in a public location and stab you, they will. If they venture closer than 15 feet nothing you can do with your cowboy LARP sidearm will stop you from bleeding out... so it's useless there.
Mass-shooting scenario? The insane person (enabled by loose gun laws to start with) is going to be hauling in a rifle with several large magazines and use body armor. If it comes down to it, you're going to get killed by a bigger bullet that penetrates anything shy of cinderblock... so it's useless there.
"I need it to fend off muh guberment!"
If things have reached a level where U.S. soldiers are trying to kill you, I think it's safe to say we're in a post-apocalyptic scenario. The government will shut down the water purification plants. You'll drink dirty water and die, or starve, or get crushed by a mob of informed citizens (they don't need guns to swarm you either.)
Also you're not going to defeat the national guard or militarized police. It's just not happening. They spent 20 years in a guerrilla situation and only held back because of bad press. If it comes down to a civil war, nobody is going to care if a bunch of neo-confederate lunatics are killed.
>posted a stainless mall ninja knife in his deleted thread as example
>t. never sawed though muscle
You’re retarded: forearm arteries are deep inside the arm and even medical diamond knives and actual war knives struggle to cut though the outer side of the arm. Even inward it’s still too much muscle and veins in the arm aren’t fatal or even quickly debilitating. The idiots stabbing don’t know to go for easier arteries like femoral.
That means using the off arm to slow an attacker long enough to mag dump is medically likely to leave the assailant with life threatening injuries while the cut muscle and veins aren’t fatal to the defender.
Also you posted a stainless mall knife as your I can beat any gun thread pic. Likely to come apart when hitting a hard object. t. antique blade collector wt medical background
You did do some good though: this illustrates why the carry piece has to be chambered, if you don’t you need two hands to use which equals death
Will remember to chamber mine now in case a stabber or rabbid dog chomps on my arm
bro I'm just making sure I'm ready for another bank heist gone wrong
I think the TEC-9 and similar Intratec guns are good and I am trying to see how feasible it is for me to conceal and/or open carry
This shouldn't be controversial, but sadly is. Ambidextrous/Left handed features or designs should not exist.
The Fedorov Avtomat and the M2 Carbine are both assault rifles.
thats my take m2 is way more purpose built
I think it'd be really cool to have a glock 20 with a 9 inch 9x25 barrel and not-foregrip as like a ghetto pdw
The M1 Carbine was the best small arm of WW2
That's just a fact
I carry a .22lr LCP every day and have no hesitations about doing so.