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It's really not a bad sword.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's not about the actual quality of the sword, it's about weebs genuinely believing anime bullshit is fricking documentary footage.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      taht one is a POS but overall its a perfectly defensible sword concept no matter what the buttbutterblasted Deus Vult types want you to think

      the metallurgy was pretty much space magic when the white man first encountered them and while that advantage abated just the general constructionm was good enough that the legends started there.
      >dios mio Joao!
      >ze sword, eet ess sharp like glass and zee sword eet do not break

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        moron

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >metallurgy was pretty much space magic when the white man first encountered them and while that advantage abated just the general constructionm was good enough that the legends started there
        and this is what I'm talking about right here.
        Look Bruno, the reason the Japanese smiths FORD THOUSAND TIME is because historically Japanese iron was dogshit. That's literally the only reason. They continue to do it because it's a historical craft, even though they have access to modern metallurgy.
        European iron was a lot higher quality and you didn't need to do all that fricking work to get a good quality steel. The legends are just legends. Talking about FORDED STEER is like talking about fricking Joyeuse and Excalibur in a conversation about European swords. You're literally making baby noises.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >apanese smiths FORD THOUSAND TIME is because historically Japanese iron was dogshit.
          completely false. Japan was a major exporter of steel weapons 400 years before the Potagees showed up
          It was folded because they learned how to normalize carbon distribution through a billet from the Chinese, who had been producing the same quality steel blades since roughly 300BC

          >metallurgy magic
          Kek no.

          It was folded into thin layers. The only remarkable thing was the heat treatment. The combination of steel+iron used in katanas was already known in roman times, a soft core-back and a hard edge with far more carbon. Obsolete tech by the late middle age, good quality european swords would have a vastly superior steel (like the Toledo steel).

          Crucible steel, Damascus steel is closer to magic than that.

          Right, the spring temper and differential heat treat, let alone the san mai techniques were unheard of by the hairy ones in the 1500s. The europeans completely forgot the steel of the Romans and other superior cultures until the the late 1700s at best.

          >metallurgy magic
          Kek no.

          It was folded into thin layers. The only remarkable thing was the heat treatment. The combination of steel+iron used in katanas was already known in roman times, a soft core-back and a hard edge with far more carbon. Obsolete tech by the late middle age, good quality european swords would have a vastly superior steel (like the Toledo steel).

          Crucible steel, Damascus steel is closer to magic than that.

          >Crucible steel, Damascus steel
          invented by poos and called Damascus because it was traded through that port. In the dark ages, one billet of wootz steel was made into swords that were so much better than anything the norsemen had ever seen that it was a copied brand for 200 years, and also completely outside the ability of yuros until predominately modern times. the Mughal had steel so good they made hunting bows out of it while the yurops were still trying to flog shitty pig iron to Africans, who ALSO had better steel than they did

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok well I can see by your sub-60 IQ that no one's going to disabuse you of your hand fedora. Godspeed, by all means please do go try to knock bullets out of the sky with them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >invented by poos
            In that time they're authentic steel masters.
            The only ones with a (strategically) superior steel were the chinks with their blast furnaces + decarburization.
            China had advantage with their furnaces for ~1000 years. They didn't improve that much after that and the Europe took the lead with the preheat blast furnace. China had something similar, the dragon kilns but AFAIK they didn't applied that to blast furnaces.
            >preheating roughly halves the fuel consumption of blast furnaces

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Chinese were waaay more advanced in metallurgy than Japan Black person, frickers were using blast furnaces early in their history.

            They imported Japanese blades not for their metallurgy but mainly for 2 reasons.
            1) The design, Fighting the Mongols & steppelads led the Chinese to abandon two handed swords, only to rediscover them when Steppe threats lessened and infantrycentric battles returned.
            2) Its exotic & high quality, frankly the only thing worth buying from Japan at the time.

            In fact the Ming-Qing Dynasty later then thought that Japanese blades were too fricking short, so their either cut Katanas hilts or built the Ming & Qing Era Changdao (Longsaber) which was a proper two-handed sword.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Crucible steel, Damascus steel
            >invented by poos
            > the Mughal had steel so good they made hunting bows out of it while the yurops were still trying to flog shitty pig iron to Africans, who ALSO had better steel than they did
            Why is the same moronic pajeet spreading the same bogus bullshit in every sword thread every time the topic of steel comes up?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >e same bogus bullshit
              What bogus bullshit?

              The indian origin of the crucible steel?
              It's a fact that
              1. pattern welding swords, wrongly called "damascus" aren't related
              2. it seems that in the late middle ages there're similar steel unrelated to india
              3. damascus steel had good properties but it's more a aesthetic thing and mainly in middle east

              Other than that it's official anon. Southern India was well developed by its time and well connected to the rest of the world (China, Arabs, Europe).

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What bogus bullshit?
                Mugal bullshit, wootz steel bullshit, basically your entire moronic post.
                >pattern welding swords, wrongly called "damascus" aren't related
                They aren't. Pattern welding is an old thing and especially a thing of the early middle ages europe.
                > it seems that in the late middle ages there're similar steel unrelated to india
                they were never related to india
                >damascus steel had good properties but it's more a aesthetic thing and mainly in middle east
                Wrong on all accounts. Wootz steel was shitty, brittle and poorly workable and was considered worse than the steel crusaders carried during the high medieval era, primarily due to the presence of sulphur and phosphor that would be retained inside the sealed crucible. The meme of damascus steel is a strictly modern era european thing.

                Stop spreading your moronic bullshit and go wipe your ass, you stinky foul smelling subhuman.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They aren't. Pattern welding is an old thing and especially a thing of the early middle ages europe.
                So? I explicitly added that point to avoid confusion that exists nowadays.

                >they were never related to india
                There're description by islamics and europeans about that steel and how it was made in southern india. Are you so stupid to rewrite history? you?

                >The meme of damascus steel is a strictly modern era european thing.
                Ay lmao.

                > shitty, brittle
                Crucible steel is inferior to pos industrial steel, but you're just talking bullshit
                >poorly workable
                The main difference was forging temperature and technique. Forging it like normal steel would make it worse. That isn't fault of the steel itself, each type of steel requires different forging styles. moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There're description by islamics and europeans about that steel and how it was made in southern india.
                Damascus sure sounds like india, lol. Don't redeem the steel, sirs!
                >Crucible steel is inferior to pos industrial steel, but you're just talking bullshit
                Nope, crucible steel was high in sulphur and phosphor, making it quite bad. Archaeological findings clearly show that.
                >The main difference was forging temperature and technique.
                Lol frick off you moronic street shitter. The likes of you won't be teaching anyone anything about forging.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Damascus sure sounds like india, l
                Dipshit filtered. Stop being a moron and just search for the articles. There're a lot of historic metallurgy and metallurgy in general related to that. moron.

                >Archaeological findings clearly show that.
                Ay lmao.

                > street shitter.
                My ass is cleaner than yours, moron. Use bidet.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                moronic pajeet with worthless history begging for internet recognition points.

                Woots was outright garbage steel that wasn't suited for heat treatment and was left unharded, yet still brittle. The hype about it was created by Europeans during the early modern period and it was never actually any good. Your entire pride rests on a joke that superior people created for their own.

                Go was yourself in cow piss while sniffing cow dung, you filthy animal.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Woots was outright garbage steel that wasn't suited for heat treatment and was left unharded, yet still brittle.
                t absolute dipshit filtered by differences between steels

                >The hype about it was created by Europeans during the early modern period and it was never actually any good
                As I said > it's more a aesthetic thing and mainly in middle east
                And taking into account your first "point", you're too moronic to talk about physical properties. You filtered out yourself.

                >Go was yourself in cow piss while sniffing cow dung, you filthy animal.
                Clean your ass. You're barely better than a street shiter.

                Read DOI's about metallurgy moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Study actual history as in a western academic discipline rather than whatever fart sniffing act your subhumans do in your shithole joke of a country.

                Here's a video made specifically for genuine morons like you with transcripts from the books illustrating exactly the things that i just said. You can cope, seethe, cry, throw another shitskin tantrum but it will not make your cultureless backwater shtihole any more relevant.

                >As I said > it's more a aesthetic thing and mainly in middle east
                Which is 100% ahistorical cope as it has nothing to do with the middle east. Pattern welding is a long standing european tradition, unlike the wootz from the middle east.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a gaytuber
                GTFO

                I said DOI's not gay shit like that. moron.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cry about it, moron. Wootz is shit, just like anything your worthless people have produced.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Archaeological findings clearly show that.
                Honestly, the archeology of period swords shows many were shockingly bad by modern standards, in steel and in heat treatment. That has been something that blew my mind the more I looked into it. A modern steel sword would be a godly weapon as far as durability goes.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A modern steel sword would be a godly weapon as far as durability goes.
                Modern steel you can just integrate the carbon diffusion and concentration gradient across the entirety of the object and engineer the lattice states of every point. Historically, they had no fricking clue and just made shit up, 90% of their techniques did nothing and the ones that were effective didn't really understand why they were effective.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                True. Edge packing was still an active meme in the early 1900's.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Damascus sure sounds like India
                Things are often known for where they were commonly obtained, not where they necessarily came from, as is the case with Damascus steel.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nonsense. The steels were good for pre-modern standards. You're just repeating the new myth that is an overreaction to the 2000's weeb myths. Iron sand is interior in yield, not quality of end product. Both east and west basically had the same iron making methods before blast furnaces and the successor processes from the industrial revolution. Aka, the bloomery. They both had no way of removing phosphorus or sulfur, so the only good way is to limit contamination from the ore and fuel. The iron sand is very pure of these contaminants, but so is certain euro ores like the famed swedish iron. Any random modern steel of same carbon content will be pretty godly compared to any historical steel.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The steels were good for pre-modern standards
            >Both east and west basically had the same iron making methods before blast furnaces
            There were blast furnaces in Europe during the high medieval period.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jap metallurgy is supperior to western purified crucible steel.
        Did you knowd that japs didn't know what spring steel was while basically everyone else in Asia did? Their metallurgy if anything was retrograde as frick due to their insular narion, both geographically and commercially.
        Read a book Black person.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Spring steel was invented in the mid-19th century. Specifically, in 1834, the English inventors George Rennie and Robert Forester Mushet independently developed the process for producing a type of steel known as "spring steel," which possessed excellent elasticity and resilience properties.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://medievalswordsworld.com/sword-steels-complete-guide/
            You're a dumb pedantic Black person.

            • 10 months ago
              KM

              I don't see that as being contrary to anything he said. That site talks about the steels used in modern reproductions of medieval swords, not what was actually used in medieval times (though it sadly isn't always entirely clear about this). A smith in 1300 in Solingen couldn't call his steel supplier and ask for half a ton of 5160, nor could one working in Bukhara in 1800.
              Now if you happen to have data showing that sword steels throughout Asia contained the right alloying elements in sufficient quantities (remember to point out which these would be) along with data showing us that steels used for items that didn't need high toughness lacked them (or some other factors to show us they knew what was what and that the alloying elements weren't just what they were lucky enough to get from their ores) then I'd be extremely interested in that data. To be quite honest though I don't think you have any such data to provide, "buzzword dropping" without really knowing what the words mean is unfortunately quite common with people around here, "pig iron" being one of the standout favourites.

              https://i.imgur.com/6OpuOlX.jpg

              >wootz bad
              c**terpoint: look at it

              It's certainly beautiful. Unfortunately the high contrast material seems to achieve that by including massive amounts of carbon and phosphor, which isn't idea for the mechanical properties.
              Also noteworthy is that it seems the high contrast material is a somewhat recent thing, showing up (IIRC) in the 16th century or so. Other crucible steels could have a visible pattern, but this would be far less striking and it seems overall that people back in the day didn't find that to be anything to care about (much like European sword blades up through the early modern period will tend to have considerable lamination and/or folding patterns in them, but were polished bright to hide it according to the whims of fashion).

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                http://dtrinkle.matse.illinois.edu/MatSE584/articles/wootz_advanced_material/wootz_steel.html
                It was such a wunderrwaffle that it spurred European metallurgical research to try and catch up after they had sufficiently dragged themselved out of barbarity

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                On patterning, you still see it used in distinct ways in various Asian sword making. Traditional japanese and chinese blades are usually polished bright untill juuuust the faintest touch of the pattern is available, except for some Japanese smiths that made a to-do about the artistic merit of their forgewelding; the original idea was so show how finely and evenly patterned the steel was so that you could be sure it lacked gross inclusions and had a consistent temper, although the Chinese report deliberate styles of 'watering' like rivers or clouds and stars/pearls as especially auspicious as far back as the Han Dynasty IIRC.
                the Indians and Persians liked their shit fancy so they leaned more and more into wootz that was highly figured as you note

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >believing anime bullshit
      It's based on western hype, anime indiscriminately cuts tanks with any bladed weapon if the wielder has enough mythical skill.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        By and large no, and they more often than not make a point of showing how a katana/katana adjacent sword is superior to others in the same IP. Sacred blacksmith is a classic example of this

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >by and large
          Dude, what? Weapons aren't even featured in most anime. Yes, glorious nippon steel has happened before in anime. It's not representative of the medium. Here is a cross section of your typical anime season
          >cute girls doing cute things, but in SPACE
          >cute girls doing cute things at a restaurant!
          >edgy crime mystery with some subtle supernatural elements
          >"My Sister Can't Stop Lusting After Me but I am Studying For Exams so I Have To Beat Her Off of Me With a Tire Iron Repeatedly so I can Make It Into a Prestigious University
          >guys with giant muscles fighting and breaking each other's bones and destroying vital organs, but mysteriously every new episode they're all fine again
          >an isekai where everyone is using western equipment and katanas don't even show up
          >the big shounen 3
          Maybe there's one or two shows like that a season, and it might even be more realistic, showing battle damage from sword clashes on both sides, but the katana holds up long enough to give the protagonist an advantage, or maybe it's just guys killing each other with katanas with no western swords in sight

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >weapons aren't even featured in most anime
            I guess that really depends on what you're watching. Romance and slice of life stuff I'm sure they aren't. Even in shows that heavily feature gun play, katanas are still featured as viable and even preferable. Though to be fair that's more an argument against the moronic weebshit action writing than it is about japs playing up the capabilities of the swords themselves

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              There's milsim stuff too. A lot of the stuff featuring guns is near future with explicitly Sci fi elements. Who cares if the protagonist can take out an armored cyborg with his electro-vibro-katana. It's cool.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Sacred blacksmith is a classic example of this
          The Sacred Blacksmith had several instances of katanas breaking or crumbling to dust, and were outclassed by western style demon swords that had more powerful magic and didn't break so easily.

          It's like you idiots only saw that scene from the first episode/chapter and ignored everything else.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're really awesome. I hope to make one some day. In the Western forging style, not the autistic forging style the traditional Japanese smiths use.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where can I get an affordable good quality katana?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      KoA

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cold steel katana machete
      Everything else is homosexual shit unless you're looking for something to hang on the wall

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Musha, Musashi, Ronin. I'm currently interested in those APOC swords since Angus Trim is involved, probably gonna get the saber soon.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dragon Sword, Hanwei, JKOO, Hanbon, all of them have sub-400 dollar options for differentially hardened swords that won't explode. If you just want something to whack things with and you don't care about it being through-hardened you can get dirt cheap stuff from Musha and Ronin.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Historical katana's are made with dogshit steel they scrounged from the sand and are held together with bamboo. The only thing they managed to get right is making the blade slightly curved, otherwise they are one of the worst swords in history (not counting those weird obsidian spiked clubs those islanders call a sword)

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >metallurgy magic
    Kek no.

    It was folded into thin layers. The only remarkable thing was the heat treatment. The combination of steel+iron used in katanas was already known in roman times, a soft core-back and a hard edge with far more carbon. Obsolete tech by the late middle age, good quality european swords would have a vastly superior steel (like the Toledo steel).

    Crucible steel, Damascus steel is closer to magic than that.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The waki is fun and it sheaths well, not too annoying to wear.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I believe one anon put it best when he said the Katana is the AK of the sword world. Not bad but massively overhyped

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    recently got this, so where would i got to get this thing sharpened? its dull not sure if real or replica either

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wootz bad
    c**terpoint: look at it

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were always good as long as you got a good quality on the problem was weebs thinking he could draw so fast he could slice you're hand off and your hardened steel gun because they trained in the way of the bladeTM

  11. 10 months ago
    KM

    Also speaking of data, in case the people talking rather loudly at each other regarding wootz would like some actual numbers to play with, here's what I have there. These are likely all of the more strongly patterned, "modern" type, except of course for the two bits of 1920s Solingen steel included for comparison.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's more recent articles that the 1924 paper.
      And more variation in crucible steels than is published in any of the paper.
      This paper in particular has a bias towards Iranian steels, and pretty steels. No dendritic or "crystalline" type steel cos the collector who donated the swords for testing didn't like them so they didn't collect them. None of the super dense droplety Indian stuff we see on khanda, either.
      I know that wootz militaria UK is getting a lot fo the swords they work on analysed before they're restored so maybe in a few years they'll have a couple hundred swords worth of database to publish

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        (Same "crystalline" blade after etch)

      • 10 months ago
        KM

        >There's more recent articles that the 1924 paper.
        Such as?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Such as the 1998 verhoeven pendray paper that has ppm level information on composition, as well as several since then that I can't remember the years of from memory

          • 10 months ago
            KM

            https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9809/verhoeven-9809.html
            So that's one. No mechanical property tests and half of the studied blades are a repeat from Zschokke but still four new composition samples (and an expanded one for three of Zschokke's) to keep in mind. Three staying true to the lots of C and P pattern, one not so massively high in P but with some extra S instead.

            >as well as several since then that I can't remember the years of from memory
            How useful.

            http://dtrinkle.matse.illinois.edu/MatSE584/articles/wootz_advanced_material/wootz_steel.html
            It was such a wunderrwaffle that it spurred European metallurgical research to try and catch up after they had sufficiently dragged themselved out of barbarity

            >in the 17th-19th centuries since the use of high-carbon iron alloys was not really known previously in Europe
            I wonder what the authors think cast iron is made of.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >what the authors think cast iron is made of.
              They think it is not steel, which what they are referring to as high-carbon iron alloys

              • 10 months ago
                KM

                Steel's been known and sued in Europe since antiquity so that doesn't really work either. Someone writing about these things really ought to know both as well, but that's quite clearly the joke.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it aluminum?

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like my bei dao. really solid.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You again?
      Jk keep posting that purdy lil lady o' yourn, she's one fer the spank bank alright.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have an inexpensive (~$250) liu ye dao that was...not what I expected. the thing is thicc and murderous, I can see it swiping limbs off with easy, and the balance is basically ideal for making the large chops and no-frickin-around moves. it is the opposite of a fencing sword IMO

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