It's over Armatabros...

https://defence-blog.com/russia-abandons-armata-tank-due-to-its-high-cost/

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

LifeStraw Water Filter for Hiking and Preparedness

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >That same fricking factory they tried to claim was producing tanks on /k/ 2 months ago
    Am I on LSD right now? What the frick? The image Is the same.
    Also proof sanctions work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also proof sanctions work
      Yes and no. The fun really starts if Russian commercial airlines start falling out of the sky.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SANCTIONS DID NOT WORK!
        RUSSIA AIR DEFENCE SHOT THEM DOWN!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian commercial airlines start falling out of the sky
        2023 already had increasing numbers of airliner failures, sadly none of them catastrophic. I have high hopes for 2024 though.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          haven't airbus and boing sent some replacement parts just to avert that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, they have to go through 3rd parties in the 'stans and ching chongs to try and get stuff

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They sell their engines to the roaches or other traitors to the west and then buy them back for a hefty premium after they were serviced not in russia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.newsweek.com/russian-plane-malfunctions-2023-tripled-western-sanctions-1850780

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Aeroflot (more like aeroflop) already has the highest crash rate of any airline before the war broke out so it'd be business as usual

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Boeing aircraft are falling apart. Doors fall off.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            True, doesn't undo the fact that one of Aeroflots main aircraft was the Tu-104. A plane that was seen as too unsafe by Soviet standards

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's very good experiment no one would dare to do IRL - see how much a commercial airliner could take with no maintenance

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We're seeing it right now. Fortunately, the only people likely to die are Russians, Chinese, and other lesser subspecies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do planes really fall off the sky if Boeing monkeys cease to fingerfrick every bolt on monthly basis? I mean they tend to be built to ridiculously high standard, there's no way such machine falls apart after 2 years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not everything wears at the same rate, not everything gets maintenance at the same rate, and not everything is stressed at the same rate. No one serious ever said the Russian air fleet would all fall out of the sky, it has always been the lack of parts and skilled maintenance would cause a cascading effect of groundings and an uptick in incidents and crashes as things wear out and repairs/replacement doesn't occur.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >forgot about the self-uninstalling doors
          >or the suicide dives from a few years back
          Don't forget that human error is a thing, your "fingerfricking" is meant to catch that kind of thing before it kills people.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >they tend to be built to ridiculously high standard
          lol, lmao!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The door fell off

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Is that typical?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not very, I'd like to make that point.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "Mayday" (it goes by different names in different countries) is a great detective-style documentary on plane crashes. I suggest watching a few episodes to get acquainted with some of the crazy stuff that can kill dozens or hundreds of people in a few seconds.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gonna add Mentour Pilot (youtube) to that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russian airplanes are being serviced with official parts in India to circumvent sanctions.
        The fairytales peddled by butthurtbelters are too much.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >SAAR YOU ARE BUTTHURT SAAR YOU ARE FROM POLAND SAAR INDIAN VERY QUALITY HELP RUSSIA WITH AIRCRAFT, DO NOT REDEEM THE BOLTS AND NUTS
          Pathetic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if
        When, and IIRC it's already started

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They've been falling for decades before the SMO began.
          Wikipedia has the articles filed by decade.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1950s

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Like American plane already do?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sanctions doesnt work. RuBlack folk could not produce Apmatas either way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Sanctions doesnt work

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's sanctions all the way from 2014

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Sanctions doesnt work
        >"pwease lift sanctions"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why are his feet like this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He's wearing lifts.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Very tall platform shoes. Because Putain is a tiny manlet and he's (rightfully) ashamed of his pathetic stature.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Apmata
        Anon, the western "r" looks like this. What you used is a cyrillic r, which looks like this "p", why are you Russian?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Learn memes. Its old rusBlack person propaganda video from 2014 about Stingers captured in Lugansk.
          They had Tracking Rainer caption (3d model from Battlefield) and boxes with US APMY signatures.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This terrible attempt at a false flag (where the morons managed to mix russian and English letters painted on the launcher) was widely reported as real proof of CIA glowops by pidor media.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/nR4dSpb.png

            This terrible attempt at a false flag (where the morons managed to mix russian and English letters painted on the launcher) was widely reported as real proof of CIA glowops by pidor media.

            thanks anons, I hadn't seen this before

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They can't even put their leader in properly tailored trousers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The image is the same
      It's presumably a stock image of russian tank stuff so that's not a surprise

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Soon, russia will be out of stock

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that's true then we should create a blockade and a complete embargo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Journalist takes the first image they find off google and puts in in their article
      Wow! Incredible! Have you been living under a rock for the past decade or something?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how sanctions are working?
      what he said was that armata cannot be deployed now because basicly they have no spare parts and they wont for at least 5 years
      unless the war ends and they decide to switch from building t90s to armatas

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they no spare parts
        hmm i wonder what is the cause?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bulgarianmilitary.com posted an article saying the armata "falls short"
    Could the T-14 be the worst armored vehicle the Russians have ever fielded?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fielded

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fielded
      Do parades really count as fielded?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's pictures of a T-14 sitting in a grassy field.
        I'd say that counts as fielded for Russians.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have ever fielded
      Putting it on parade do not count

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is also simultaneously the best Russian designed vehicle they have ever fielded.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait till all the vatniks start to claim "we didnt need them anyway".

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Is this what German transliteration of RUssian looks like?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      more like polish one

      ?si=6GxPoZBSpBOhC8OO&t=35

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The armata was the right tank for the wrong war.

    It was designed to fight head to head with Abrams in open fields firing with thick frontal armor after seeing desert storm failure of the T-72s against Abrams.

    Big, thick frontal armor and a strage engine based on an improvement of the old tiger tanks of WW2 (yup look it up) made it expensive and already outdated for a war environment that now's fights tanks from the bottom and from the top.

    The slight advantage against 90s versions of western MBT dosen't make up for the massive cost increase as most tanks aren't being defeated by other tanks anyway 99% are lost to other threats.
    So better make two T90 than one armata if their performance is virtually the same against anything besides the most modern MBT.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What about crew survivability? That was supposed to be a big selling point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        More mouths to feed after the war

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          and more pension payments burdening the state budget. crew survivability is an anti feature.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A detrimental quality if you consider the economic weight of mutilated veterans. There is no reason to care about that if your society does not even pretend to value human life.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What about crew survivability?
        what about it? you know the extra price isn't worth it for russia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Somehow I feel this isn't considered an important feature in Puccia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        crew survivability is unimportant because the amount of casualties that russia has suffered during an offensive is decided at headquarters after the fact based on political considerations

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >strage engine based on an improvement of the old tiger tanks of WW2
      Despite Lazerpig saying so, it ain't true

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, they took a pumping station engine from the 1970s, derived from a german ww2 tank engine, and put it a tank.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i thought they found that it wasnt that much of an improvement based on the one captured in ukraine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and a strage engine
      A cross shaped engine screaming in pain everytime it's reved up, fueled by the millions souls of dead vatniggs. An engine from hell.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >(yup look it up)
      it's not true homosexual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a strage engine based on an improvement of the old tiger tanks of WW2 (yup look it up)

      I mean, only if you think the T-14's engine, which is based off of an industrial engine that was used to operate heavy machinery in factories. Said engine was based off of an engine, which was based off of an engine, which was based off of the Tiger 1’s Maybach HL230 P45 V-12.
      If you think hats the "same engine" then today's cars and trucks are all using engines from the 40's too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you think hats the "same engine" then today's cars and trucks are all using engines from the 40's too.
        Wait till you learn about electric generators, the stuff was designed in the 30s and still used with minor improvements.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          we pretty much made every combination of pistons, placement, stroke, firing order, etc very early on in combustion engines and basically have spent the last 80 years just refining and reiterating. we've only made sideways "advancements" like the rotary brapper.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it was designed to fight head to head with abrams
      Sure it was ivan

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >based on an improvement of the old tiger tanks of WW2 (yup look it up)
      Shut up, moron

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia cancels their super duper advanced program due to costs
    In other news, the sky is blue and traps aren't gay

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Armata project was just a feint

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >produce 5 really nice vehicles
    >brag about how amazing they are for years
    >never mass produce them because your country is poor
    Why do all shitholes do this? Can't they live in reality and make shit they can actually afford to produce?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They weren't even nice, Russia never managed to fix their engines

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia never managed to fix their engines
        What do you mean?


        See? Engine is fine.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Age of cavalry is over, anon, scaring away horses just isn't very useful anymore

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They were affordable before the 2014 sanctions. After those went into effect projects like the T-14, A-100 or Su-75 were basically dead anyway.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think affordable translated from vatnik is that there is a fat enough budget to rob without risking getting shot for wartime production failures.
        If you actually have to build them and in reasonable time then there is no extra money to walk away with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      to some people looking tough is more important than being tough
      russia is a prime example
      >during the soviet union, there was an arms show,
      >american observers saw wave after wave of bombers going past,
      >they shat themselves as they had no idea the soviet union had so many bombers,
      >they went home and increased their production of bombers
      >the soviets shot themselves in the foot
      >in order to look tough, they had the same planes fly in a circle to give the ilusion of numbers
      >now by doing that they had increased american manufacturing putting themselves at a disadvantage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because it gives them something to brag about. They’re all about saving face and looking strong.
      If they make even 1 tank out of solid titanium and diamond inlays with super advanced tech, comms and a NASA level thermal they can make a million threads arguing “X is better than Y western system!” or asking “Is Y better than X???” e.t.c.
      And because the general population is militarily illiterate they’ll take it as them then being the leader in whatever technological field that weapon belongs in.
      They’ll never argue about production numbers, spare parts, cost, actual performance and so on. If that’s brought up they’ll either just ignore it or go “but what about (insert something irrelevant to change the subject)”.
      I used to believe this was them following a script or something like telemarketers and they didn’t actually believe it but no; they really do. They’ll just blatantly ignore reality when reality doesn’t fit what they want.

      Got to have those bitter tomatoes and okra in the rice (anyone has that story?) I lost my screencap

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >produce 5 really nice vehicles
      It couldn't even parade without breaking down

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's what happens when your ability is limited to designing prototypes but optimizing them for efficient mass production is too much.

      As a great vatnik once said,
      It's easy to build a machine.
      It's hard to build a machine to build the machines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The main purpose of the Armata was to drive around on parades, to make it look like Russia is still a major power like the soviets were and to impress the Russian public.
      The fact that Russia can't produce a modern MBT on par with western countries, on the scale of western countries just goes to show how much Russias military-industrial complex has degenerated since the days of the Soviet Union. Today they can't do much more than shit out a handful of T-90s and refurbishing early ancient rusting steel coffins from the soviet stockpile.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ywn see Abrams and Armatas duelling at long range like God intended.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is still hope in a theoretical war between Russia and NATO, imagine, such duel at the Red Square

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, God (the MIC) intended Abrams to fight T-72s, which is just hilarious

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is still hope in a theoretical war between Russia and NATO, imagine, such duel at the Red Square

        >ywn see Abrams and Armatas duelling at long range like God intended.

        The Abrams was intended to c**t-punt whatever the jets didn't bother to kill. Tank duels are for morons.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Tank duels are for morons.
          73 Eastings would like a word.
          As with any area of war if you have a big advantage you can frick the other guy to death as we saw with 73E.
          There is nothing wrong with tank v tank you just need to make sure your optics and fire control mean you will see first and hit first.

          As for what we are seeing in Ukraine both sides are using tanks for infantry support and sometimes a tank is the closest anti-tank they have so a duel happens.
          If your options are have infantry fricked on until the enemy tank comes within RPG range or sending out your own tank then you do what you must to try and save lives.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, to be fair, tank duels barely happen nowadays because of how things are in war right now. 73 Easting was much simpler than nowadays' war style. Obviously vs. far inferior countries, tank duels may happen more often than vs. someone like Russia or Ukraine. Soil also matters a lot.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hope armatard sees this and commits suicide. 10 years of RUSSIA STRONK shilling only for them to abandon it should break him enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Think he'll do a final meltdown post before attemting to isekai into Armataland where cute Armata-chans roam the meadows?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm genuinely suprised he hasn't offed himself yet in these 2 years of russia embarassing itself constantly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I hope armatard sees this and commits suicide.
      Personally, I just hope that he sudokus; any reason why is fine by me.

      Think he'll do a final meltdown post before attemting to isekai into Armataland where cute Armata-chans roam the meadows?

      >Think he'll do a final meltdown post before attempting to isekai into Armataland where cute Armata-chans roam the meadows?
      Given the extent of his brap fetish, I'd expect Armataland to have fewer meadows and much more of a bog/fenland/outgassing swamp ecosystem. Or maybe just a really big sewer?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Man I kinda miss armatard moron rants. Beats having your board spammed by a brigade 3rd world /misc/ Blacks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. One village idiot is fine. A flood of moronic immigrants is not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Man I kinda miss armatard moron rants.
        You don't have to go far for those though, just check these threads:

        [...]

        [...]

        [...]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bad news, actually. This is a sensible decision and potentially indicates R*ssians acting less moronic now. Hope the true reason is that the grift was no longer profitable or something.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so that's another russian lie, right? just some vranyo, and in a few weeks we will have a surpise, a nice high-res webm with fireworks?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So the Czar went to the deepest forest to ask advice from Baba Yaga. And Baba Yaga read him his future from pig's knuckle-bones.
    "Know, oh Czar, that should you wage war against the Kievans, you shall destroy a mighty nation!" proclaimed Baba Yaga.

    And so, heartened by the words of the old Witch-woman, the Czar gathered his armies and rode to war against the Kievans.
    But, in his greed and arrogance, the Czar forgot to ask ...WHICH nation would be destroyed.

    For Baba Yaga had lied him the truth. It would be his own nation that would be ruined by this war.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about how the challenger 3 is just a challenger 2 with a proper gun is pretty funny

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're actually thinking about hassling some poor woman to sniff her farts. But that's not really /k/ is it ?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >first artillery shells
    >then SRBMs
    >and now next generation MBTs
    When will the Best Korean humiliation of Russia end?
    Is the way of juche really this strong a philosophy? North Korea is much smaller than Russia yet they do everything better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NK works because it's a command economy. Whatever the Kim government/military wants, it gets regardless of the financial and human cost. Compare that to Russia that has to maintain the veneer of western ideals so it's slaves don't just revolt for the nth time in the last century while placating every billionaire/oligarch/warlord it has under its umbrella.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Compare that to Russia that has to maintain the veneer of western ideals so it's slaves don't just revolt for the nth time in the last century while placating every billionaire/oligarch/warlord it has under its umbrella
        It's much less about the slaves and more about the oligarchs, he can't run a command economy because doing so would hurt the profits of the real ruling class.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's both. It's the main reason they don't conscript from the big cities. It fricks over the oligarchs since it takes away from the laughably small pool of skilled, eductated workforce russia has and it ruins optics for the populace given they're shilling 24/7 that they're winning and there's nothing to worry about.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's the main reason they don't conscript from the big cities
            While I'm sure skilled labor is part of it another theory I have heard that makes sense to me is if you conscript from a town of 1,000 worst case the military can put down and unrest pretty quickly. If you conscript from a city of 2,000,000 and you get civil unrest it becomes a major issue.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/mzZfxxE.jpg

        >first artillery shells
        >then SRBMs
        >and now next generation MBTs
        When will the Best Korean humiliation of Russia end?
        Is the way of juche really this strong a philosophy? North Korea is much smaller than Russia yet they do everything better.

        Lots of Kims. There are around 400 blood relatives or people married to them occupying every level of government. They even have special pins identifying them. Some types of corruption simply can't happen, it would be like an Absolute Monarchy (which is what the DPRK is) stealing government resources.

        How can you steal something that already belongs to you?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i thought they cancelled it back in 2022

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    but dont worry guys, unlike T-14 the SU-57 is definitely in production

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You laugh now. Soon the A-50s will take flight again by the dozen.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Soon the A-50s will take flight again by the dozen.
        Does this imply that the A-100 prototypes were dead on arrival?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This entire thread is amazing.

    >Russia loses thousands of tanks to drones and ATGM
    >stops further production of completely obsolete tanks after this paradigm shift
    >/k/ experts think this is somehow bad for Russia.

    You guys are moronic. The dumbest shit would be to continue any tank production at all. The concept is obsolete, no one needs multi million dollar vehicles that are extremely dependent on supply lines, logistics and support elements to have - wait for it - zero impact as soon as someone with a drone/ATGM shows up.

    What you dumbasses don’t get is that the Ukrainian drone production is laughable compared to Russias drone production. The Russians know this. Yet Ukraine shreds tanks like there is no tomorrow. Now imagine the US or China are the next enemy of Russian forces. Their drone production would dwarf the Ukrainian one, it would be tenfold than what Russia is capable of producing. They would shit out millions of drones every month.

    Anyone who still invests in tanks with future wars in mind is a complete moron. The next war will be the current one on steroids.

    Also people don’t know what a stock photo is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lurk 10 years before posting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *shoots down your drone with on-board laser pointers from two clicks away*
      Nothing personnel, homosexual.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        go back to your shill thread moron
        >*shoots down your drone with on-board laser pointers from two clicks away*
        something that never happens you moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just like APS destroys all ATGMs you fricking moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Much faster target, tardnon.

          go back to your shill thread moron
          >*shoots down your drone with on-board laser pointers from two clicks away*
          something that never happens you moron

          No need for same-gayging. Also, no shit, it's not been serialized yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they are still refurbishing old tanks and making T-90s moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you are right then Russia will stop fielding tanks until they have developed something new, if you are wrong they will keep fielding tanks designed before current year.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This kind of announcement changes nothing, the T-14 was already not being produced and only appeared in parades and carefully depicted training grounds. This announcement is purely internal and subtly tells the Russian people to lower their expectations.
      Notice how it's only the T-14 ever mentioned and not the entire Armata program which was supposed to upgrade much of the Russian ground forces. A huge part of the Shoigu's modernizations boasted about over the past decade. Nothing to show.
      Russia needs tanks, APCs, IFVs, etc. but it has since become unable to produce new designs and even if it did, much of the trained crews are no longer there. It's just conscripts in vehicles their fathers would have driven.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tank built with western parts
      >they won't build it because drones
      moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Would ring better if it wasn't how much vatBlack folk bragged about armata wonderwaffle with thick monke juice to delight them every day. You ate the meme whole and now it ended badly, meanwhile the mobiks shit their pants every time they have to face the average western vehicle and think bringing one of them down is a turning point in the war and worth a price.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Anyone who still invests in tanks with future wars in mind is a complete moron

      Really hard slav cope. The reality is Russia doesn't have the industrial capacity to produce tanks nor does it have anything resembling modern armor doctrine. Claiming tanks are obsolete because neither Russians nor Ukrainians know how to use them outside of WW2 tactics nor the ability to produce large quantities of them is fricking sad.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Come back when those "cheap" drones can push, take and hold territory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its not bad for Russia, but it does show that Russia is neither the industrial giant that it claims to be nor that it is doing fine under sanctions

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      morons like you were saying trench warfare was obsolete a decade ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Armatard sympathizers are just as moronic as him...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Anyone who still invests in tanks with future wars in mind is a complete moron. The next war will be the current one on steroids.
      Screencapping this for some future year when a NATO state inevitably launches a tank assault that succeeds brilliantly due to EW and other anti-drone measures.
      Tanks in WWI didn't make infantry or artillery obsolete any more than drones in 2024 have made tanks or surface navies obsolete. Tanks are still useful in a world with drones just as they were in a world with ATGMs; it's just a change that requires some adaptation. Happens all the time. Nuclear weapons didn't spell the end of conventional armed forces, either.
      Look at stealth: true, low-observability RCS has tons of utility and requires a different set of counters, but the existence of an F-35 doesn't suddenly make the F-15 or the Gripen a chunk of scrap metal to be melted down, or mean that there's suddenly no further use for an S-200.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Tanks in WWI didn't make infantry or artillery obsolete

        They were specifically designed to overcome machinge gun entrenchments and succeeded at that. Tanks posed a threat to infantry in world war 2 because they didnt have real AT measures. Artillery has absolutely nothing to do with it.

        >drones in 2024 have made tanks or surface navies obsolete

        They have. Do you think the outcome of the US Navy being attacked by semi submersible drones chasing down carriers would be any different than what the Russian Black Sea fleet has suffered? What are these carrier strike groups supposed to do? Shoot at the water? Bullets lose all their energy in there. If Russia or China would mass produce drones of that kind CSG wouldnt leave port ever.

        >tanks are still usefull.

        They are not. Imagine the costs of building a tank and fielding it, just to have some 16 year old gooner who played to much video games clap him with an RC toy bought with his pocket money from ali express. Its just insane to build a tank, you have to be an economic airhead.

        > but the existence of an F-35 doesn't suddenly make the F-15 or the Gripen a chunk of scrap metal to be melted down,

        If the F35 would rack kills up half as fast as drones, taking out multi million dollar equipment, requiring no training to do so and costing around $3000, you bet your ass everything else would be obsolete in an instant. No one in their right mind would order another Gripen, would allow another F15 take off or deploy S-200s.

        The insane superiority of drones to tanks is so staggering, people have problems understanding the size of this paradigm shift.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >its another larper thinks war is about economic comparisons instead of having the right array of tools to solve different problems
          we need more bamboo spear carrying child soldiers to overmatch pointless widgets like the atomic bomb!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >war has nothing to do with economics

            Were you born this dumb?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >semi submersible drones chasing down carriers
          Not in the open ocean; they are too slow.
          Ukraine hit ships in harbor.

          • 1 month ago
            Am I Doing It Right?

            >what is the carrier group supposed to do against submerged vessels, shoot them? Ha Ha! Bullet loose all energy underwater!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > drones are the new meta
      the second a competent nation has to face them they will just be blown out of the sky or jammed out of existence

    • 1 month ago
      Am I Doing It Right?

      I agree with you one-hundred percent. Actually, I believe that everything on the battlefield will be obsolete; with the exception of the suicide drone. The next war will be massive drone swarms colliding with each other. The age of the soldier is done. Whoever has more drones will win and then the loser will be at the mercy of the left over drones bombarding their cities and other stuff. With AI, you won’t even need humans at all, just the president who tells the AI to attack.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukrainian drone production is laughable compared to Russias
      This is news to me and in fact I had been given the opposite impression. This would drastically change my outlook on the war if true. Can you provide a source?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-has-seven-drones-every-one-ukraine-has-army-official-2023-12?amp

        Doesn’t get more globohomosexual than BI. Hope this counts as a reliable source for your homosexual ass.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Globohomo
          Ah, a moron. These news companies chase money not truth.
          >"In priority frontline sectors, we have the following ratio: one of our drones to five or seven enemy drones,"
          Sounds like a very reliable source that totally isn't referring to one section of the front and isn't being misquoted at all.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What makes tanks obsolete is ATGMs, in particular top-attack ones. When every platoon of guys will have at least one Javelin or NLAW etc, when crew-served ATGMs are sticking out of every crest and treeline, etc, the battlefield becomes inhospitable to tanks or any vehicle larger than an ATV / buggy. When any moronic boot carrying a 50-lbs missile system can literally point-and-click delete a 40+ tonne multi-million dollar vehicle from 3 miles away, it’s simply over for tanks. And China has been mass-producing Javelin clones for like a decade now, imagine if they decide to supply an enemy with those — the entire U.S. armored corps would be effectively suppressed. The only way for tanks to move forward is to destroy the enemy via other means, so what are the tanks for? Literally nothing. They’re a system which has gone the way of the battleship: irrelevance by technological advancement. APS were supposed to be their last hope but if the tech hasn’t panned out by now it never will. It’s simply over, just deal with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And ATGMs are just going to get smarter and smaller. Just wait for the RPG that knows to go for the vision blocks or tracks.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    T-26 Mod. 2024 when?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh high cost
    if they can't even afford it in ukraine they sure as hell won't be able to afford it in a full scale war against NATO

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Quite possibly the most embarrassing military procurement exercise in history. They spent years hyping this thing up only for it to be abandoned and never see combat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >most embarrassing military procurement exercise in history
      Bradley

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the bradley was actually under budget
        and importantly, delivered an actual usable product that has seen service

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Quite possibly the most embarrassing military procurement exercise in history.
      One word: India

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We lived to see every Russian 2010s wunderwaffe turn out to be useless vaporware and it's glorious.

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *