this, tbh
Russia was hoping you'd all die usefully in the war. You were never going to survive into a peace. Putin wanted to settle Russians where you live.
Exactly They should fight the unuseful cowards instead or running. Stalin prevented the Stalingrad population from leaving to ensure that every single one of them fights for is life. That how you do it and how you win.
>Be patient, you'll all get nuked and lose everything you got accustomed to.
homie you cant even properly maintain your tanks, do you really think the nooks are working? you lost, frick off
You're some jerk off on PrepHole don't pretend like you matter tough guy. And there's only so many times you can threaten to nuke before it's obvious it's a hollow threat.
Hahaha, i can hear the resignation and despair in your head when you typed this. You have lost all you're accustomed to and will stand to lose more in the future as you are ethnically cleansed from this earth.
The laughter would last right up until they realized that without Pax Americana, there is no sea trade without convoys, and the world's carrying capacity will likely be cut in half overnight.
For the most part the Russians have already done that, they conscripted so many as cannon fodder that the area is facing total demographic collapse without intervention.
Ohh no that's horrible. Quickly better import a bunch of Russians to prevent the demographic collapse. Would be absolutely terrible for that to happen after such a tragedy.
I don't see why the Russian border guards don't let those fleeing Donbabweans/Lugandans in. They are just as moronic as the average vatnik. >oh noes, the ukes will force us to speak their variant of slavbabble instead of our own! They'll force us to have homosexual parades! >all the while the vatnik military herds press-ganged donbabwean/lugandan moving targets like cattle to figure out where the uke artillery is located.
Absolutely. You can respect an honorable enemy. A traitor is not a person you vest any degree of trust in. Some of my absolute best friends are people I’ve gotten into a fist fight with.
If they let them into Russia they're just going to live on welfare and commit crimes. If they leave them in Donbabwe the Ukrainians have to deal with their moronation instead, maybe they'll even sabotage Ukie stuff, maybe the Ukies will massacre them and Russia can point and say "See! Told you so!".
Because the value of these traitors is zero. Anyone useful is already in Russia.
The ones stranded at the border are only useful when inside Ukraine, to cause further disruption. The people who are now refused into Russia will clap again for every word of Putin tomorrow and be a constant thorn in the side of Ukraine.
>I don't see why the Russian border guards don't let those fleeing Donbabweans/Lugandans in
because they consider them subhuman and the average middle class russian is not willing to pay for them
Because they were considered as undesirables and non-russians from the very beginning, destined to either be sent to a prison colony in the ass end of siberia or just to be lynched once their value as disposable meat shields ran out
Now their only value in existence is to cover the russian retreat, after which they'll probably get shelled from across the border as further punishment for their failure
Allying with russia only means signing your life away, in every sense of the word, that's how it's always been
>They are just as moronic as the average vatnik.
No. Useful idiots and traitors are more moronic than the average vatnik. Let that sink in for a while. As others have noted, their remaining usefulness is as a burden and distraction to Ukraine by keeping them trapped there. It's the exact tactic the Soviet Union used when it collapsed and left 50 million Russians stranded as stateless non-citizens throughout Eastern Europe. It will create decades of hardship and expense. their children & grandchildren will continue the traitor's work of bringing Russia back into Ukraine in 20 years. They are congenitally moronic, a population bred specifically to be useful, ignorant, stupid, disposable slaves.
Donbabweans are always amazingly oblivious to what Russians think of them, it's so funny. Russians consistently shaft them, absolutely endlessly demonstrate that they do not give a shit about them, but somehow they believe it's just a mistake and Russians will be there for them or whatever. Kek
Donbabweans also most likely were the biggest believers of russias "power" and probably thought they had an invincible big brother. Now they are all starting to realize they've been duped and they never had a chance.
This. It would be so lulzy. The vatniks would have to deal with a wave of poor morons. Just the right thing to replace the poor morons they've sent to their deaths across Ukraine.
This. It would be so lulzy. The vatniks would have to deal with a wave of poor morons. Just the right thing to replace the poor morons they've sent to their deaths across Ukraine.
10 years Ukraine can launch a retaliatory invasion to liberate the Ukrainian speaking population being oppressed in Russia.
They are doing it right now to people from South UA. That and "adopting" children. I can't even imagine what needs to be done to return these people home.
This. It would be so lulzy. The vatniks would have to deal with a wave of poor morons. Just the right thing to replace the poor morons they've sent to their deaths across Ukraine.
>Ivan trying to use civi meat shields >Said meat shields terrified of Ukie retribution >Ukies HIMARS border guard to allow the escape of collaborators >Win the political victory by taking an action to protect "Russian" citizens from collateral damage >Win the economic victory by creating a mountain of people Russia now needs to take care of >Win the military victory by removing the enemy's primary defensive plan
This is actually fricking brilliant.
Agreed. Unleash the Separatists on Russia, lol. Make sure these traitors get inside and cause a TON of trouble, being useless embittered idiots.
If they let them into Russia they're just going to live on welfare and commit crimes. If they leave them in Donbabwe the Ukrainians have to deal with their moronation instead, maybe they'll even sabotage Ukie stuff, maybe the Ukies will massacre them and Russia can point and say "See! Told you so!".
Which is exactly WHY Ukraine should make sure these troublemakers get inside Russia, lol.
Thatcher would have been laughed out the office if she didn't
If the UK backed down, there are tons of small British island size bases at risk in the future. It was strategic as much as domestic. Economics probably had a small hand but not as much, most of the oil was discovered later.
There's an unbelieveable frickton of oil "down there." Find a map, find the Falklands. The entire sea floor between the Falklands and Argentina (& Brazil) is a monster oil basin.
The problem is the insane depth of the water down there, on top of the weather. And, the oil is similar in quality to Venezuelan heavy crude: insane levels of refining and waste. It's too expensive today, but if humanity insists on committing suicide by petrochemical pollution, we will tap that basin as the rest of the world reserves dry up.
Britain (and the world) knew there was oil there (and how difficult & deep it is), but they only found out afterward that the quality was so poor. But, Britain was going to secure their territory there no matter what, and oil was a nice buzzword that the moronic masses could grasp without understanding a thing a bout it and be herded into supporting the war.
>British Leadership : Black person get the ships its go time
It's more >JOLLY FUKKEN HEL IT'S TIME FOR THE ARGIES TO GET A PASTIN NIGEL HOP IN THE SHIPS AND OFF WE GO
>Private Bong : Sir the Agries have invaded the Falklands ..... Its a small set of islands 11,000 km away and of almost no value. >British Leadership : Thank you God. You know I've needed this. It's been so long. I've been so good and hardly massacred any browns for ages. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is the last time though, I promise
There wasn't actually popular support for the separatist movement, which is why they almost got crushed in 2014 and why RuAF had to covertly bail them out.
Most of the population fled, first the pro-Ukies and then anyone who wanted better for themselves due to the economy in the area being shit, leaving behind old boomers and the low class, who have now been eliminated due to the conscription. It would not be surprising if there was a complete collapse.
There actually was popular support from a segment of the population, basically the old working class. Donbabwe used to be the industrial heart of Ukraine back in the Soviet days and they mostly got royally screwed in the wake of '91. It's sort of like a Ukrainian rust belt of dissatisfied former manufacturing workers, except instead of voting for a cheeto they decided to join Russia.
>they mostly got royally screwed in the wake of '91
Everyone got screwed in 90', that doesn't makes them right. More over those Black folk were the criminal heartland of ukraine, just one small region was responsible for about the half of tatal corruption in the country. Then those shitters rigged their cronie in to power and lived full on giant subsidies for the region and all unprofitable industries there, making them leaches that actually lived the richest when shit hit hte fan in 2014, and despite all that they still screached about "MUH FEEDING ALL UKRAINE YOU UNGREATFULL BANDERETS REEEEEEEEE!!!!".
Man, frick donbabweans, region must go back to agrarian steppe as nature demands and all vatniks relocated into siberia that they love so much.
>lived full on giant subsidies for the region and all unprofitable industries there
This. Yanukovich implemented austerity measures in all of Ukraine, EXCEPT his native Donbas.
Friendly reminder that soldiers disguised as civilians are committing perfidy, and under the laws of war they can be summarily killed even if they surrender or are captured wounded.
>Friendly reminder that soldiers disguised as civilians are committing perfidy
It might be valid if they've stopped fighting, they're not unauthorised combatants if they're no longer combatants.
>being a spy
Spies spy.
If you're just running the frick away then you're probably not anything.
I mean literally, a spy is defined by their actions because there's nothing official about them but they do official stuff like recon and humint, that's what makes them a spy. If they're not spying then they're just people I think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here's the thing. You have no proof that they weren't spies who got discovered even if they claim to be retreating, and protection for PoWs wasn't written by morons who wanted to hamstring themselves. If you ditch the uniform, you are no longer a protected combatant and can be dealt with however your captors deem fitting, whether that's a summary execution, turning you over to the legal system, or anything in between. You can go read more about this in the archives if you really want, but there is a reason that you are told to make sure you keep the uniform on if you want to surrender.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there is a reason that you are told to make sure you keep the uniform on if you want to surrender.
yep. this is the reason the russian general put on a lower rank officer uniform when he decided to run, and not some liberated civilian clothes.
Maybe that's one of the main reasons why the border guards aren't letting any Donbabwe refugees through.
They have no idea who's a deserter trying to sneak back home and who's a traitor trying to get away before the Ukrainians torch their misbegotten hides.
Russia has a number of backstops. Low-yield, tactical nukes are a backstop, and the U.S. can’t do squat other than escalate all the way to nuclear war. I mean, they’ve run out of Russian billionaire yachts to steal, what else can they do?
Likewise, sending tens of cruise missiles to knock out electricity across the Ukraine- perhaps in the dead of winter - is another backstop. A modern army can only fight for so long with no juice.
> and the U.S. can’t do squat other than escalate all the way to nuclear war
USA will respond with tit-for-tat low yield nuclear weapons. This removes TacNukes as a backstop, as Russia isnt going to go on a full on nuclear war over ukraine.
>The US will only nuke us if we nuke >So if we use a small nuke they won't nuke us
?????
A nuke is a nuke, it doesn't matter what kind of fricking warhead is being used or the size. There is a reason why both sides stopped fricking around with the idea of tactical warheads and suitcase nukes around the time ICBMs and SLBMs came online en masse.
>Low-yield, tactical nukes are a backstop
If they try that, Tartus and Latakia get levelled, and every vatnik ship in the Med becomes an artificial reef.
Ah yes I’m sure China will appreciate Taiwan announcing they’re building nuclear submarines the day after Russia nukes Ukraine. That’s exactly what the world needs, smaller nations with large aggressive neighbors making nukes to stop them
Problem for Russia is it's been spending 1.8% of the US nuclear budget to maintain 33% more active warheads. We know the US arsenal was badly atrophying on that budget. I would not want to test my long range nuclear arsenal if I was Russia because I would know the US will know when we start firing, I will know they will have missiles on route to our sites very quickly, I will not know how many functional warheads we get off, I will know that if we hit population centers then Russia is getting genocided overnight, and I will also not know how good the US's interception capabilities are, except that they've shot down some ICBMs before.
I would be very afraid that we get just a few functional missiles out on time, with even fewer of the warheads functional, some get intercepted, and we end up killing a few million Westerners, and then still have several hundred million eradicating us afterwards. Also China sizing the Far East, the only part that might get spared.
>le nuke threat
A prominent Israeli military historian once said that a country which ones possessed nuclear weapons and got rid of them, will always have the know-how and ability to produce them.
>the U.S. "steals" >Russian billionaire yachts
Ladle some sauce all over that. How many yachts? Where were they located? Which countries confiscated which yachts? How many? How many of them are in U.S. possession?
I am begging you, as in I am literally on my knees, face in the dirt.
Please. Please use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
I am begging you, with all my heart I am begging you.
Let's get this shitshow you call "Russia" finall over with.
Unironically, does Russia even have a future? When Putin goes (be it from this or just the decay of time), what next? What succession is in place? How does the Russian political machine cope without their God?
I hope it devolves into a proper civil war, like Yugoslavia. A slaughter of everyone against everyone else.
Not that "bloodthirsty old morons versus bloodthirsty new morons" of last time.
>I hope it devolves into a proper civil war, like Yugoslavia. A slaughter of everyone against everyone else.
What can we be doing to help make this happen?
>They have a "future" like North Korea has a future. That is, continued mediocre existence being totally disconnected from reality or progress.
North Korea has at least rudimentary succession ideas. Usually someone relating to the dictator will take over in the event of a worst-case scenario. If not, someone from the Workers Party could theoretically be elected in an Ancient Rome Tier aristocracy. What can Russia do?
Putin was a trusty helper of previous shitter, so now he will find another shill to e his successor. There are rumors about who that will be but I'm too lazy to search for them right now.
https://i.imgur.com/dB2rtnc.jpg
Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.
Balkanization, maybe even what happened with Japan and USA i.e forced demilitarization although I have hard time imagining how it would be accomplished.
Forced demilitarization would be that someone would need to help defend border. Frick having the US or NATO have to defend the entire russian border from asia
It doesn't.
One thing people here doesn't understand about Russians is that by and large they hate their government, who they see as corrupt and incompetent. The cult of personality revolves around Putin exclusively, who is seen as a just demi-god who has to deal with scum in all of his subordinates. He has spent decades building up this image, eliminating anyone who could threaten his position. Once he dies, whoever replaces him will have no love from the public, who have been conditioned to believe that Putin personally made the trains run on time.
Unironically, does Russia even have a future? When Putin goes (be it from this or just the decay of time), what next? What succession is in place? How does the Russian political machine cope without their God?
They will "elect" another piece of shit dictator, who will keep causing trouble along the borders, creating constant unease near UA border while also being a vassal to China. At least at that time danger will be minimal.
Hoping for balkanisation and demilitarization although .
This Russia doesn't. It's a sorry imitation of Imperial Russia clad in the rags and rusty armor of the USSR. It's a nation worshiping two great empires, while having none of either's strengths.
They're a bunch of squatters wallowing in the ruins of their predecessors, and using their quickly deteriorating inheritance as proof that they are still mighty. The only way they'll ever become anything of note is after they finally break down and collapse entirely, after every veneer of ego and pride has been stripped away, and all they're left with is the bare foundation they need to rebuild.
Both the Tsar and the Chairman need to be fully killed and buried deep, before a true new beginning opens up.
Why would they have a future? They don't have an ideology, an economy, demographics, institutions, really anything that would give them a future. They won't admit to their own failures, or to their past crimes (like Germany, Japan, West European colonial empires), they'll rather continue the current way than fix any issues they have because that's humiliating. Their future is slow decay while becoming a Chinese vassal, unless they magically realign themselves with the West.
I get what you mean, true, but Japan has absolutely zero political will for militaristic jingoism anymore. Even with their recent push for increased military spending, they're not a threat to their neighboring countries like they used to be.
They're literally just waiting for China/US to take their eyes off them. I hate the fricking jap. I will always hate the fricking jap.
My great-uncles were POWs at Changi, so I've heard the stories of those fricking subhumans.
Atomic weapons were too good for them. We should have flown every single bomber ever built over their shit island loaded with pig manure and human excrement and dumped it out until they're shitty island was buried 10 feet deep in it. DROWN THEM IN HUMAN WASTE!
I am a moderate.
Balkanization, followed by the core region of russia becoming the kind of shithole dictatorship it propped up in Belarus or Chechnya or Kazakhstan, except now they don't have any satellite states or secondary territories to milk in order to pretend everything is awesome and those other countries' people will actually be able to remove the shit dictatorships russia put in place and fricking progress for real.
Whether or not Russia makes any progress depends on whether the russians kick their habit of apathy and choosing strong men and "certainty" over free will and ability to truly rebuild and the uncertainty that comes with it. Only time will tell.
This, good chunk of the info cropping up today (RU command not reinforcing weakened units, Russian collaborators not being let into Russia) are massive but we've not seen much more than a couple social media posts.
Need someone to find some more concrete evidence before we can be 100% sure about some of this, mostly because of the level of implications behind these events.
Are any fricking white people going to join Putins war to save the white race. We've got every fricking other race and creed except the one he was supposed to be saving
Why, of all times, would you offer your assistance now?
What on earth could they possibly achieve, unless the Russians are having to buy more ammo from them as well; because as far as I'm aware, rockets are the only practical thing HAMAS have to offer.
Nah, I remember that video. It was a cheeky wedding song about how Palestine was 100% behind Russia's war...because they could then marry the beautiful Ukrainian refugee women. We've seen a bunch of that around all of the place anyways.
This reminds me of the schizo tier ideas the Confederates were having in the late civil-war where they were considering giving their weapons to slaves and trying to get them to fight for slavery
What military units are left to fight Putin’s internal security forces? Assuming it would take the soldiers in Ukraine and Crimea time to get back to Moscow
>Russia loses the war militarily, strategically, and politically after second wind ukrainian counterattack >Putin gets couped and extradited to the Hague >Zelenskyy hero of the 21st century
KINO
I still can't quite believe a complete hack like Zelensky, a litteral meme candidate who surfed on "Lmao every candidate is fricking shit anyway, why not vote for the guy who play a President in that cool series ?" got propelled as national symbol and international symbol of resilence and bravery.
If the man was killed tomorow, he would become a martyr.
I still can't quite believe a complete hack like Zelensky, a litteral meme candidate who surfed on "Lmao every candidate is fricking shit anyway, why not vote for the guy who play a President in that cool series ?" got propelled as national symbol and international symbol of resilence and bravery.
If the man was killed tomorow, he would become a martyr.
I think the horror of the war woke up something deep inside Zelenksky that was deadly serious. It probably has something to do with the fact by all rights, he SHOULD have died in the first days of the war. All the experts said, "You're going to die dude in 72 hours."
He basically faced the very real possibility of his own death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1) he genuinely believed that Russia would not invade, and when the attack begun, he would have immediately received reports of all the betrayals that e.g. allowed Russia to take the south so easily
2) what you said about facing his own death. in fact, remember at the very beginning of the war? they didn't need to take Kiev by force. all they needed to do was murder the top officials and politicians. plain clothes hitmen were sent into the capital, they were coming for Zelensky and yet he had to remain visible for morale. it's a pretty fricked up situation
I would be shaken, scared, and angry, and out to destroy them
2 years ago
Anonymous
It should be noted that the Ukrainians got a few days notice when the invasion plans were filtering down the chain of command. There's a comment on a perun video by a Ukrainian air defense soldier who said they got a call at 11pm to take all the equipment out into the fields as the bases were about to be hit. He said it saved the air defense around Kiev and they were knocking down quite a few planes early on.
Honestly, he's done a wonderful job by understanding that his job as president wasn't to make decisions that often but to act as a media figurehead. His refusal of an American airlift out of Kiev at the start of the war showed he understood perfectly well what he needed to do, and I do chalk that up to his massive media experience.
>"Act as if thee have faith and faith will be given to you."
Put another way, Zelenksky put on a performance until he became that character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Best method actor in history.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Best method actor in history.
Started out playing the president on a Ukrainian TV show, then basically played the same character on Ukrainian national TV in order to get elected as the actual president, and then, when shit got really real, play the character of a fearless wartime leader on the literal world stage, and secure massively crucial foreign assistance to save your country from invaders.
Dude has 100 speech and 10 charisma.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not to mention the counteroffensive in Kharkiv was timed perfectly: Putin was away, a lot of the reserves were doing war games, and a new commander had been appointed to the Kharkiv region (he got fired just 17 days in).
2 years ago
Anonymous
i still dont know if the Ukis planned that to humiliate putin even more or if it was just a lucky coincidence
>putin attending a fricking ferris wheel opening ceremony while the Kharkiv front is collapsing
russian soldiers participating in army games in the middle of fricking siberia
Not only that, but the comedian who acted as a statesman actually turned out to be a real, balsy statesman
It gets funnier when you look up what people were saying about him before the war, the shit from Leddit is pure gold: >Think Trump, but much more stupid puppet controlled by the kremlin to finally kill everything good we achieved in so fricking hard way with tens of thousands of deaths >He is pro-Russian candidat by himself. He's typical "homosexual sovetikus" >You are right, he just seem to be "neutral", but in reality his mind is basically "Russian". Or what we say in Ukraine: "maloros" >he keeps getting into international scandals, has soured relationship with USA, and Ukraine is pretty much nonexistent in international diplomacy stuff. It's embarrassing. >Nope, he's a piece of corrupt shit and it's only because he's terrified of protests that he hasn't signed over Ukraine to Russia >Some people would say he is pro-Russian, but I think he is just not pro-Ukrainian. His new year speech revolved around the phrase "who cares (what language you speak, where you come from etc)" and he certainly does not care a single bit. >And he did a lot for Russia such as losing money they had to pay us, making Ukrainian military to lose positions, kind of controversial exchange of captives on russian terms... and so on >He stopped almost every reform that started during last 5 years, he destroyed reputation of Ukraine on international arena and he is pressured by Russia. >he is the face of revenge of Anti-Maydan and pro-russian forces >Poroshenko because he was leading Ukraine to the civilized world and defended it from Russia
They're also right tbh. He was a pro-Russia, pro-appeasement candidate and did weaken the UAF. Just another way Monke fricked up by attacking instead of just waiting a year or two.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Monke hadn't grabbed Crimea in 2014, we might well be seeing a (legit) referendum for Ukraine joining RF.
I've been saying it for 8 years, but people just haven't been listening. Putin is a very bad strategist, he's 100% focused on the short term and his long term thinking is non-existent.
Also, for the record, Obama was also kind of a bad strategist, but for the exact opposite reason. He was completely focused on long term goal at the expense of the short term.
2 years ago
Anonymous
didn't euromaidan happen because ukrainians preferred the EU over russia?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was more of a revolt against their corrupt oligarchs (backed by Russia) not Russia itself. Opinion of Russia only dropped after Putin chimped out and seized Crimea. The whole situation is one long geo-political blunder of Putin making enemies out of friends.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what I mean. Governments in Ukraine came and went. Monke could have cut ties with Yanukovych, been "Well, clearly HE was a criminal, we didn't know that about him *wink wink*" thrown their support behind another candidate without his toxicity, and in an election cycle or two they would have been gold.
Throw in some gestures like infrastructure building (pre-2014 sanctions Russian economy was really booming) and it's not outside the realms of possibility we could be seeing in 2022 a triumph of soft power as referendum reunites Ukraine and Russia. Literally, look at my picture. Those Ukrainians really did love themselves some Russians until Monke decided to frick them in the ass without lube.
Now Ukraine is gone, probably forever. They created the anti-russia on their border they were so afraid of.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's a lot of ifs, ukrainians could see which countries were richer in the end, and having a favorable views of a country isn't the same as wanting to be part of that country's economic sphere, but I get your point, Russia was never all that good at making friends
2 years ago
Anonymous
1) he genuinely believed that Russia would not invade, and when the attack begun, he would have immediately received reports of all the betrayals that e.g. allowed Russia to take the south so easily
2) what you said about facing his own death. in fact, remember at the very beginning of the war? they didn't need to take Kiev by force. all they needed to do was murder the top officials and politicians. plain clothes hitmen were sent into the capital, they were coming for Zelensky and yet he had to remain visible for morale. it's a pretty fricked up situation
I would be shaken, scared, and angry, and out to destroy them
https://i.imgur.com/LfU4lre.png
If Monke hadn't grabbed Crimea in 2014, we might well be seeing a (legit) referendum for Ukraine joining RF.
I've been saying it for 8 years, but people just haven't been listening. Putin is a very bad strategist, he's 100% focused on the short term and his long term thinking is non-existent.
Also, for the record, Obama was also kind of a bad strategist, but for the exact opposite reason. He was completely focused on long term goal at the expense of the short term.
Putin's violent actions have pretty much driven Ukraine into the Western camp. Ukraine is in zero mood to talk anymore.
That time has past.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ironically, him taking such a standoff posture before the war ensured Ukraine would win. He did everything in his power, save for crawling on his knees to suck Putin's wiener, to show he didn't want a fight with Russia. Because he did that, when Monkee had his chimpout and invaded anyway, there was absolutely zero question who was the aggressor. The only people backing Russia are their existing simps; everyone else is either horrified or directly arming Ukraine now. There's no hemming or hawing about "they're not doing enough to avoid a war, this is a Both Sides Are Bad issue".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Putin wanted "Breathing Room", to annex Ukraine like Germany trying to absorb nations into its empire.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, obviously. I'm saying the way Zelensky played it, the Western Euros couldn't cuck them out of support, because he basically forced Putin to reveal himself as a blatant warmonger. Everyone knew he was before, but he always had masks he hid behind to deny the worst of the culpability (muh Donbawbewean chillun massacre, muh Little Green Men on Vacation). This time, he was forced to show his hand and go "Yeah, I'm a bloodthirsty warmongering shit, and I don't care." He was so blatant, that now the only way you can possibly support Russia is being an obviously bought-and-paid-for Russian shill. If Zelensky hadn't gone so conciliatory, people could find some way to weasel out of supporting them, but not anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hopefully Ukraine can get the support Europe promised it.
>Didn't run when he could have >Not even when the Russians were on the outskirts of Kiev >Keeps telling Russia to frick off and is keen on getting pre 2014 territory back >Has used diplomacy in a way that got the entire world on his side >Has help to reinvigorate nationalist ideals across Europe and in the US
/Pol/tards and vatniks laugh at him but he's shown to be a true lover of his country.
He is ideally positioned to unite the country, being a Russian-speaking Central Ukrainian (Dnipropetrovsk Oblast).
Also being a dude who offered Putin PEACE, he can't be painted as a warmonger.
Zelenksky's "Without You" speech is the culimation of his transformation into an anti-Russia Ukrainian Nationalist, with the irony of him being a Russian speaker by birth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It really is amazing how utterly moronic putin and russia has been acting ever since the special needs operation started.
>"We are brotherly nation!" >Invade your country >Wipe out your cities with artillery >Commit all the war crimes >Blow up your power station when things go wrong
Utterly moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
honestly, Zelensky put it best
who wants a "brother" like russia?, even the bongs treat their ex-colonies better even after doing some fricked up shit in many instances
2 years ago
Anonymous
That speech is pretty the moment Ukraine gave voice to its collective severing from Russia.
>"We want nothing to do with you, from now on."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this speech anywhere online in non-text form? I've been looking for it on video.
I believe it was a tweet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this speech anywhere online in non-text form? I've been looking for it on video.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WE are one people >scare US >WE stand for >WE are all about
What the frick is this "we" shit
Zelenstein isn't Ukrainian he's not even a Slav he's a hook nosed israelite with a bolshevik family background and Israeli ties
I am more Ukrainian than he is >inb4 vatnik/serb
Not even
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes I’m sure you’re more Ukrainian than the person who’s born in Ukraine, speaks Ukraine, and has spent their entire life in Ukraine. moron. You’re probably not even Slavic or if so are diaspora in US or UK
2 years ago
Anonymous
more Ukrainian than the their slavic "brothers" shooting babushkas in Bucha
he was born in Ukraine, speaks Ukrainian and is defending Ukraine
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"Ukraine, please don't go. I'll blow you the frick up, I love you so."
2 years ago
Anonymous
its
please dont go, ill eat you whole, i love you so, i love you i love you so
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>Blow up your power station when things go wrong >Utterly moronic.
And vatBlack folk & /chug/gers came and actually bragged about it on /k/ right away, like it was some master stroke retaliation! Amazing. It's militarily worthless but really makes the opponent hate you even more and even more determined to fight back and shows you as petty vindictive homosexuals and further is an admission of total defeat or total moronation or both because if they expected to come back and take back over now what?
So yeah fricking stupid. They just don't live in the normal world, they literally cannot comprehend how decent normal humans think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was just a spiteful, petty act that fell mainly upon the part of Ukraine most filled with ethnic Russians.
Putin has a talent for pissing off people who should be his fans. Mariupol mainly spoke Russian and was packed with Russian-Ukrainians before Putin blasted it to hell.
>monke wanted to make Europe weaker >now every single country wants to spend more in defense >non NATO countries want to join NATO now
I think he's moronic
That's the most hilarious part. Literally modern day King Laius. >Fear and obsess over the prophecy of a dictators death like Ghadaffi >Do everything to prevent prophecy by trying to killing the people that are supposed to be family >They turn out to be what leads you to die like Ghadaffi, fulfilling the prophecy >Mother Russia gets fricked
>tfw you'll never pistol whip Gaddafi with his own gun then put a bullet in his brain as he is pleading for his life
Nothing as sweet as a despot getting his
Literally whos. They will get arrested tomorrow and spend the next 20 years in prison. >What if Putin dies???
Then they will stay in prison for being a threat to the next tinpot Russian dictator.
>Then they will stay in prison for being a threat to the next tinpot Russian dictator.
They'll likely get shot the moment Putin dies. Apparently there are orders to summarily execute Navalny if king monke croaks.
Deputies are nobodies, more like town councillors.
They're not the first though and the last few were summoned to police stations but not actually arrested.
It sure feels like the first pebbles but I wouldn't get your hopes up until the duma starts something and even then, they're pretty powerless these days.
>le final battle is upon us, brothers! >actually enters another long period of attrition, leading into false sense of security, followed by another breakthrough of ukraine's chosing
Some anon posted here about drunk wargaming with his co-workers and finding a pretty solid solution for Russia to save face.
>Claim the Donbebwe betrayed them >Donbebwes eject Russians with some agreement of no guilt/no arrest/no treason charges by Ukraine in exchange for some semi-autonomy of Donbebwe >Russians claim they woulda won if not for the treasonous DNR fricks >Justifies putin/his successor being even more authoritarian to prevent a similar stabbed in the back myth.
This would be what happens - if Russia was smart. They are not, so it won't.,
No, its a consequence of not following through and appeasing Germany as Hitler dashed every single line of that "humiliation". Had they Brits and French actually gone through with spanking the frick out of them for getting uppity, WW2 wouldn't have began. It'd be a largely impotent German army/navy getting dabbed on.
The moral isn't about resentment, it's about not enforcing the limits and treaty.
He will never be deposed because the Russians don't want freedom. He will be President for the rest of his life. The only way to get rid of him would be if God struck him dead with a bolt of lightning, and if that happened the Russians would replace him with someone worse.
This. Russians are the most servile pieces of shit on the face of the planet. Not even North Koreans can measure up to the sheer masochism of the average ruskie.
Something I've only ever read on PrepHole but I've seen enough people say it to make me think it might actually be true is that Donetsk is a huge hub for drug trafficking and full of drug users.
It makes sense that the Russians would not want them in Russia proper.
If anyone has any sources on it being a drug trafficking hub please post it, I imagine it'll be in Russian so that's why I've struggled to find anything.
It is. Both ldnr and transnistria are drug hubs. Source: am ukie. Also Transnistria is a slave trafficking hub, haven't heard anything like that about ldnr, though. Literally 3rd link on google is about ldnr drug shop expanding to russian-occupied territories and after that a whole lot of news about arresting drug traffickers to/from ldnr. https://novosti.dn.ua/ru/news/330195-magaziny-iz-l-dnr-nalazhivayut-prodazhu-narkotikov-v-zahvachennyh-gorodah
Somewhat related to that, it's all a huge reservoir of AIDS, in fact the HIV epidemic in Ukraine spread from Dombabwe.
It is. Both ldnr and transnistria are drug hubs. Source: am ukie. Also Transnistria is a slave trafficking hub, haven't heard anything like that about ldnr, though. Literally 3rd link on google is about ldnr drug shop expanding to russian-occupied territories and after that a whole lot of news about arresting drug traffickers to/from ldnr. https://novosti.dn.ua/ru/news/330195-magaziny-iz-l-dnr-nalazhivayut-prodazhu-narkotikov-v-zahvachennyh-gorodah
Russia has nothing, the longer they stay the less they have left. The question is how much they are willing to give up, if their "red line" is Crimea and Ukraine is adamant about retaking it, they will probably use nuke as it will take to long to mobilize an army and create some proper defense.
Most likely tactical nukes, in the case of strategic (to force Ukraine to a "white peace")I think Kiev is an unlikely target, they probably also won't take the cities with a high percentage of people that have Russian as first language.
Lviv is probably to big and to close to the polish border, but a medium sized city between Lviv and Kiev is the most likely imo.
>nooooks
There is no "just a little bit of nuclear warfare" any form of atomic weaponry used is going to have every county collectively spit roast Russia. >inb4 US won't risk escalating..
Lol, just lmao.
maybe, but the leadership in Russia has already demonstrated a major failure in their assessment of things.
They invaded Ukraine with a miniscule army, they did not anticipate the severity of the sanctions, they did not mobilize or do anything to fix the military situation despite the writing being on the wall for months.
They probably don't anticipate a nuclear war with the west will break out because they nuke Ukraine (which i don't think it will either), It's not certain either that they anticipate India, China, Saudi Arabia becoming hostile against them if they use nukes.
How is it that these morons still don't realize they're nothing more then a meat shield for Russia? If they love Russia so much, why not just move over there? Why are they trying to take parts of Ukraine with them? Do they not realize that Russia is going to absorb the Donbass when the war ends?
So whats the political ramifications for Russia after all this is done, will countries with land disputes feel embolden knowing they're dealing with a paper bear? Will Russia be forced to acquiesce more to save face? Will anyone dealing with Russian equipment have serious doubts about how effective it is?
If I were Ukraine, I'd relentlessly bash Russia over the head with their treachery.
>"You said you were going to help the Separatists. Instead you turned them away at the border and used them as cannon fodder. ALL nations even CONSIDERING an alliance with Russia? Look at the fate of these so-called Separatists, left to die by Russia. They're only alive because we showed more mercy than Russia ever did."
If you read pro-Russia blogs you'll learn that the columns of people at the Russian border prove that the withdrawal and evacuation was planned and they are the Russian military is protecting ethnic Russian civvies from reprisals by bloodthirsty Ukrainians.
Man you people are easily led by BS. There’s 0 possibility of Russia abandoning the Donbas or the separatists there. Putin NEEDS the foothold to threaten the shale gas fields and keep the West out of them.
Not really, freeze the conflict on the border, occasionally lob a cruise missile or some artillery over and no Western company is gonna go near those fields and risk their capital.
It was never about those shale fields, it was always about the idea that if Ukrainians became free and prosperous, Russians might finally wake up and look at them and go "If them, why not us?"
Or to put it more precisely. Russia's "Westernization" was always elites forcing it on the people. Things didn't really change on a deep level, as the changes were resented.
In Ukraine, the people demanded to go West. The change isn't superficial and skin-deep.
This is simple as shit.
Russia will never nook unless they are invaded, and even then it's doubtful. Here's the catch: literally no on wants to invade Russia. What the flying frick would you stand to gain?? I mean MAYBE China wants the resource rich east but realistically no one is ever gonna touch Russia. This is actually a double edged sword because it means the war will always ravage Russia's neighbors and not itself, and they know that, so they have little incentive to stop sperging
I've heard Russian soldiers are being mocked by the public as losers. THAT is not going to go over well. Rich Do-Nothing Moscowvites chewing out the shell-shocked war veterans.
Russia knows Russians can't stand the thought of MERE Ukrainians defeating them. The LAST thing Russia can stand is the thought of a Slavic power finally eclipsing them forever.
A traitor's reward. Just what donbabwe deserves. >"Hey russia, thanks for cleansing all the useful idiots for us! Retaking and repopulating will be so much easier without these people."
>dress as civilians
You know, a soldier dressing up as civilian is a warcrime and gives up their rights as the enemy soldiers. Meaning that it is not required to take them as prisoners of war and they can be shot on the spot.
>You know, a soldier dressing up as civilian is a warcrime and gives up their rights as the enemy soldiers
yeah? whats your point? as long as they dont start fricking around theyre more likely to be fine than if they continue to present themselves as soldiers
>Rogue
did you stupid frickers think that Russia would let in the useful idiots?
this, tbh
Russia was hoping you'd all die usefully in the war. You were never going to survive into a peace. Putin wanted to settle Russians where you live.
The useful idiots have transformed into the useful meat shield.
There really is very little else stopping hkrwine from driving to Moscow
My dick when Ukraine annexes part of Russia to form a buffer state.
Exactly They should fight the unuseful cowards instead or running. Stalin prevented the Stalingrad population from leaving to ensure that every single one of them fights for is life. That how you do it and how you win.
that's not how you win in 2022 against an army in their own country, moron
>Stalin prevented the Stalingrad population from leaving to
Bullshit. They had a series of evacuations.
large if correct
oh look its another
>muh nooks
post by a vatnik.
To not consider the possibility of a nuclear attack real makes you dumb as a brick.
It's possibility is irrelevant.
Not my problem.
Another NOOKER
And so on.
Be patient, you'll all get nuked and lose everything you got accustomed to.
And you will all be dead.
Bix nook muhfugguh! We wuz Tsars n' blyaaaaaaaaat
Given the state of Russian Army, I'd assume there's a high chance of "muh big Russian nukes" exploding mid flight, or during the take off.
>The day Russia launch a Botch Failed Nook, giving the Polak the excuse to invade Russia
When that times, don't ask us for help
>Be patient, you'll all get nuked and lose everything you got accustomed to.
homie you cant even properly maintain your tanks, do you really think the nooks are working? you lost, frick off
You might just end up nuking yourselves though, no joke.
You won't do shit Semenovich
MUH NOOOK
less talk, it's getting real stale
just do it already.
You're some jerk off on PrepHole don't pretend like you matter tough guy. And there's only so many times you can threaten to nuke before it's obvious it's a hollow threat.
> "The gloves are coming off"
BRING IT ON
Go ahead and try it Monke! Just the spark we need to drag out the Tic Tacs and Chronospheres on your ass.
The more time pass, the more Metal Gear scenario become less insane looking.
What a clown world, forcing us to live in interesting times.
>Chronospheres
gubbmit, pls gib
This is that snuff homosexual isn't it
yes
WHERE ARE MY CHRONOTANKS ENSTINE!!!
Hahaha, i can hear the resignation and despair in your head when you typed this. You have lost all you're accustomed to and will stand to lose more in the future as you are ethnically cleansed from this earth.
I want you guys to do it so bad
USA explodes, Russia explodes, the rest of the world laughs
The laughter would last right up until they realized that without Pax Americana, there is no sea trade without convoys, and the world's carrying capacity will likely be cut in half overnight.
I wish a Black person would
>1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident
believe it not there are some vatniks with common sense
I DID IT ALL FOR THE NOOKIE
THE NOOKIE
UKIE TRYNA TAKE MY BANAN OOK-IE
>NOOK!
>Start a war, get ass whoop.
>NOOK
I'm sure we all are tired of this crap
I hope Ukrops genocide the shit out of those c**ts.
Frick downbawes i hope general potato genoices them all. hate vatniks but traitors are far worse.
For the most part the Russians have already done that, they conscripted so many as cannon fodder that the area is facing total demographic collapse without intervention.
Ohh no that's horrible. Quickly better import a bunch of Russians to prevent the demographic collapse. Would be absolutely terrible for that to happen after such a tragedy.
>End with nuclear war
Nope, you are just a useful idiot that they are no sacrificing as a pawn.
I don't see why the Russian border guards don't let those fleeing Donbabweans/Lugandans in. They are just as moronic as the average vatnik.
>oh noes, the ukes will force us to speak their variant of slavbabble instead of our own! They'll force us to have homosexual parades!
>all the while the vatnik military herds press-ganged donbabwean/lugandan moving targets like cattle to figure out where the uke artillery is located.
because they want the ukies to have the issue of dealing with them.
They don't want the traitors, the true believers, the cowards, the criminals.
Ah, yes, the old Kraut saying: "the enemy loves treason, but hates the traitor".
Absolutely. You can respect an honorable enemy. A traitor is not a person you vest any degree of trust in. Some of my absolute best friends are people I’ve gotten into a fist fight with.
If they let them into Russia they're just going to live on welfare and commit crimes. If they leave them in Donbabwe the Ukrainians have to deal with their moronation instead, maybe they'll even sabotage Ukie stuff, maybe the Ukies will massacre them and Russia can point and say "See! Told you so!".
Because the value of these traitors is zero. Anyone useful is already in Russia.
The ones stranded at the border are only useful when inside Ukraine, to cause further disruption. The people who are now refused into Russia will clap again for every word of Putin tomorrow and be a constant thorn in the side of Ukraine.
Russia will have enough disillusioned war veterans after this war, it doesn't need any extra.
oh shit you are right, if they let DPR homies in, they might become a source of unrest
Especially if Ukraine captures them first and bombards them with the fact they were betrayed by Russia, THEN sets them loose inside Russia.
>I don't see why the Russian border guards don't let those fleeing Donbabweans/Lugandans in
because they consider them subhuman and the average middle class russian is not willing to pay for them
Because they were considered as undesirables and non-russians from the very beginning, destined to either be sent to a prison colony in the ass end of siberia or just to be lynched once their value as disposable meat shields ran out
Now their only value in existence is to cover the russian retreat, after which they'll probably get shelled from across the border as further punishment for their failure
Allying with russia only means signing your life away, in every sense of the word, that's how it's always been
Russtards want to keep these morons in Ukraine to ensure local tensions and propaganda targets.
they are more useful as a liability for ukie government than as naturalized russian citizens
simple as
I make a counter-proposal.
Since Russia has betrayed their allies, how hard would it be to flip said Separatists?
They'd still be cannon fodder but they'd at LEAST get a last chance to die as something other than a fricking traitor.
More cynically, manpower is manpower.
>They thought they were really Russian
Ahahaha
>They are just as moronic as the average vatnik.
No. Useful idiots and traitors are more moronic than the average vatnik. Let that sink in for a while. As others have noted, their remaining usefulness is as a burden and distraction to Ukraine by keeping them trapped there. It's the exact tactic the Soviet Union used when it collapsed and left 50 million Russians stranded as stateless non-citizens throughout Eastern Europe. It will create decades of hardship and expense. their children & grandchildren will continue the traitor's work of bringing Russia back into Ukraine in 20 years. They are congenitally moronic, a population bred specifically to be useful, ignorant, stupid, disposable slaves.
>Russia is abandooning Donbas
If it's true, they probably struck a deal with Ukraine
Hopefully they catch these homosexuals and let them starve this time.
Donbabweans are always amazingly oblivious to what Russians think of them, it's so funny. Russians consistently shaft them, absolutely endlessly demonstrate that they do not give a shit about them, but somehow they believe it's just a mistake and Russians will be there for them or whatever. Kek
It almost reminds me of the Palestinians and Jordanians.
Better example would be how the Kurds actually got tricked into believing the Americans gave half a frick & a wet fart about them.
Donbabweans also most likely were the biggest believers of russias "power" and probably thought they had an invincible big brother. Now they are all starting to realize they've been duped and they never had a chance.
Imagine looking up to Russia
Is there NOOKER -image?
This is good for Russia
Now they know who is truly loyal
Ukraine needs to strike the border guards so these frickers can escape
This. It would be so lulzy. The vatniks would have to deal with a wave of poor morons. Just the right thing to replace the poor morons they've sent to their deaths across Ukraine.
10 years Ukraine can launch a retaliatory invasion to liberate the Ukrainian speaking population being oppressed in Russia.
You joke but a bunch of UA civvies from the south have been deported to Siberia and the far east of Puccia
They are doing it right now to people from South UA. That and "adopting" children. I can't even imagine what needs to be done to return these people home.
>Stealing children from their parents
Ukraine should DNA-tag and transponder its people, NOW. Make it impossible not to find kidnapped kids.
If Russians kidnap them, there won't be a place Ukraine can't find said people.
History repeats.
>Ivan trying to use civi meat shields
>Said meat shields terrified of Ukie retribution
>Ukies HIMARS border guard to allow the escape of collaborators
>Win the political victory by taking an action to protect "Russian" citizens from collateral damage
>Win the economic victory by creating a mountain of people Russia now needs to take care of
>Win the military victory by removing the enemy's primary defensive plan
This is actually fricking brilliant.
Current behaviour of Russian border guards,
https://twitter.com/infussambas/status/1569306208934428676
troony colors on the cuckshed
Agreed. Unleash the Separatists on Russia, lol. Make sure these traitors get inside and cause a TON of trouble, being useless embittered idiots.
Which is exactly WHY Ukraine should make sure these troublemakers get inside Russia, lol.
Uhhh Donwabe bros….has Russia abandon us??
Abandoooner's greatest feat so far.
STAND BACK EVERYONE I'M STARTING TO NOOOOK
In Russian :
Private Conscripttavich : Sir, The DPR is going to be overrun
Russian Leadership : Lol sucks to be them.
---
Meanwhile in Anglo Land :
Private Bong : Sir the Agries have invaded the Falklands ..... Its a small set of islands 11,000 km away and of almost no value.
British Leadership : Black person get the ships its go time
Why would anyone give Russia even a ounce of loyalty.
After Bongland did that everyone started to think there was oil down there.
There is oil down there and a lot of it. Its just too remote and would requite deep sea off shore rigs to extract making it very expensive.
Thatcher would have been laughed out the office if she didn't
If the UK backed down, there are tons of small British island size bases at risk in the future. It was strategic as much as domestic. Economics probably had a small hand but not as much, most of the oil was discovered later.
Yep, it was more about prestige than anything else. They weren't going to have Argentina of all places take their shit.
There's an unbelieveable frickton of oil "down there." Find a map, find the Falklands. The entire sea floor between the Falklands and Argentina (& Brazil) is a monster oil basin.
The problem is the insane depth of the water down there, on top of the weather. And, the oil is similar in quality to Venezuelan heavy crude: insane levels of refining and waste. It's too expensive today, but if humanity insists on committing suicide by petrochemical pollution, we will tap that basin as the rest of the world reserves dry up.
Britain (and the world) knew there was oil there (and how difficult & deep it is), but they only found out afterward that the quality was so poor. But, Britain was going to secure their territory there no matter what, and oil was a nice buzzword that the moronic masses could grasp without understanding a thing a bout it and be herded into supporting the war.
Why is the Canadian Jay Bauman?
Sir I don't make the memes I just steal them.
Always knew that hack fraud was a Five Eyes operative
We got jay working intel and Rich performing targeted killings in Russia, I wonder when mike will Pop up
>British Leadership : Black person get the ships its go time
It's more
>JOLLY FUKKEN HEL IT'S TIME FOR THE ARGIES TO GET A PASTIN NIGEL HOP IN THE SHIPS AND OFF WE GO
>Private Bong : Sir the Agries have invaded the Falklands ..... Its a small set of islands 11,000 km away and of almost no value.
>British Leadership : Thank you God. You know I've needed this. It's been so long. I've been so good and hardly massacred any browns for ages. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is the last time though, I promise
British Press :
My moderate brother of the past.
The most moderate British headline.
There wasn't actually popular support for the separatist movement, which is why they almost got crushed in 2014 and why RuAF had to covertly bail them out.
Most of the population fled, first the pro-Ukies and then anyone who wanted better for themselves due to the economy in the area being shit, leaving behind old boomers and the low class, who have now been eliminated due to the conscription. It would not be surprising if there was a complete collapse.
There actually was popular support from a segment of the population, basically the old working class. Donbabwe used to be the industrial heart of Ukraine back in the Soviet days and they mostly got royally screwed in the wake of '91. It's sort of like a Ukrainian rust belt of dissatisfied former manufacturing workers, except instead of voting for a cheeto they decided to join Russia.
>except instead of voting for a cheeto they decided to join Russia
so exactly the same the same kind of people
>they mostly got royally screwed in the wake of '91
Everyone got screwed in 90', that doesn't makes them right. More over those Black folk were the criminal heartland of ukraine, just one small region was responsible for about the half of tatal corruption in the country. Then those shitters rigged their cronie in to power and lived full on giant subsidies for the region and all unprofitable industries there, making them leaches that actually lived the richest when shit hit hte fan in 2014, and despite all that they still screached about "MUH FEEDING ALL UKRAINE YOU UNGREATFULL BANDERETS REEEEEEEEE!!!!".
Man, frick donbabweans, region must go back to agrarian steppe as nature demands and all vatniks relocated into siberia that they love so much.
>lived full on giant subsidies for the region and all unprofitable industries there
This. Yanukovich implemented austerity measures in all of Ukraine, EXCEPT his native Donbas.
>Donetsk is getting abandoned by the russians.
Are there any other sources confirming this?
WP article, take that as you wish.
WP article doesn't mention Russia pulling out of all of Donetsk.
No.
Friendly reminder that soldiers disguised as civilians are committing perfidy, and under the laws of war they can be summarily killed even if they surrender or are captured wounded.
>Friendly reminder that soldiers disguised as civilians are committing perfidy
It might be valid if they've stopped fighting, they're not unauthorised combatants if they're no longer combatants.
That is called being a spy, anon. If you want to be protected like a soldier, you cannot ditch the uniform.
>being a spy
Spies spy.
If you're just running the frick away then you're probably not anything.
I mean literally, a spy is defined by their actions because there's nothing official about them but they do official stuff like recon and humint, that's what makes them a spy. If they're not spying then they're just people I think.
Here's the thing. You have no proof that they weren't spies who got discovered even if they claim to be retreating, and protection for PoWs wasn't written by morons who wanted to hamstring themselves. If you ditch the uniform, you are no longer a protected combatant and can be dealt with however your captors deem fitting, whether that's a summary execution, turning you over to the legal system, or anything in between. You can go read more about this in the archives if you really want, but there is a reason that you are told to make sure you keep the uniform on if you want to surrender.
>there is a reason that you are told to make sure you keep the uniform on if you want to surrender.
yep. this is the reason the russian general put on a lower rank officer uniform when he decided to run, and not some liberated civilian clothes.
Maybe that's one of the main reasons why the border guards aren't letting any Donbabwe refugees through.
They have no idea who's a deserter trying to sneak back home and who's a traitor trying to get away before the Ukrainians torch their misbegotten hides.
>GWTBW still hasn't updated since last I checked
Feels bad.
Not sure which updates slower, GWTBW or Outsider.
>GWTB
a classic, its hilarious coming back to it like 10 years later and seeing they only added 15 or so new pages
I also saw a webm of a column of Russian tansk heading out of Donetsk, back towards Russia. Its not proof of anything, but make of that what you will
Nice. More Hohols killing Hohols.
Russia has a number of backstops. Low-yield, tactical nukes are a backstop, and the U.S. can’t do squat other than escalate all the way to nuclear war. I mean, they’ve run out of Russian billionaire yachts to steal, what else can they do?
Likewise, sending tens of cruise missiles to knock out electricity across the Ukraine- perhaps in the dead of winter - is another backstop. A modern army can only fight for so long with no juice.
> and the U.S. can’t do squat other than escalate all the way to nuclear war
USA will respond with tit-for-tat low yield nuclear weapons. This removes TacNukes as a backstop, as Russia isnt going to go on a full on nuclear war over ukraine.
>Russia isnt going to go on a full on nuclear war over ukraine.
Neither will USA and that's exactly why they won't respond with nukes.
USA wont do it over ukraine, but they will do it so that the every country in the world wont start building their own nukes.
They can't allow nukes to be seen as any more of a game changer than they already do.
They don't need to respond with nukes you mutt. Lets put those NATO bases to real use and make 1999 Serbia look like a joke
USA wont do it over Ukraine. But they will do it over Russia using nukes.
Two very different things.
>The US will only nuke us if we nuke
>So if we use a small nuke they won't nuke us
?????
A nuke is a nuke, it doesn't matter what kind of fricking warhead is being used or the size. There is a reason why both sides stopped fricking around with the idea of tactical warheads and suitcase nukes around the time ICBMs and SLBMs came online en masse.
>U.S. can’t do squat other than escalate all the way to nuclear war
Why not just bomb russians with conventional weapons?
>Low-yield, tactical nukes are a backstop
If they try that, Tartus and Latakia get levelled, and every vatnik ship in the Med becomes an artificial reef.
More like they will just wipe out every known missile site in Russia, and a few other military installations to boot.
>invade country
>get shit on
>threaten to nooook
Clown federation.
Ah yes I’m sure China will appreciate Taiwan announcing they’re building nuclear submarines the day after Russia nukes Ukraine. That’s exactly what the world needs, smaller nations with large aggressive neighbors making nukes to stop them
>I mean, they’ve run out of Russian billionaire yachts to steal, what else can they do?
Unironically give some nukes to ukies
Problem for Russia is it's been spending 1.8% of the US nuclear budget to maintain 33% more active warheads. We know the US arsenal was badly atrophying on that budget. I would not want to test my long range nuclear arsenal if I was Russia because I would know the US will know when we start firing, I will know they will have missiles on route to our sites very quickly, I will not know how many functional warheads we get off, I will know that if we hit population centers then Russia is getting genocided overnight, and I will also not know how good the US's interception capabilities are, except that they've shot down some ICBMs before.
I would be very afraid that we get just a few functional missiles out on time, with even fewer of the warheads functional, some get intercepted, and we end up killing a few million Westerners, and then still have several hundred million eradicating us afterwards. Also China sizing the Far East, the only part that might get spared.
Interesting. How do you know nuclear budget figures, aren't they secret?
>le nuke threat
A prominent Israeli military historian once said that a country which ones possessed nuclear weapons and got rid of them, will always have the know-how and ability to produce them.
>the U.S. "steals"
>Russian billionaire yachts
Ladle some sauce all over that. How many yachts? Where were they located? Which countries confiscated which yachts? How many? How many of them are in U.S. possession?
I am begging you, as in I am literally on my knees, face in the dirt.
Please. Please use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
I am begging you, with all my heart I am begging you.
Let's get this shitshow you call "Russia" finall over with.
>anonymous info
Somehow an even worse source than twitter.
Did that tripgay flandre commit suicide yet? He used to brag about his now dead brothers and uncles in the DPR army.
I want to believe.
I think Putin should nuke Donetsk
Unironically, does Russia even have a future? When Putin goes (be it from this or just the decay of time), what next? What succession is in place? How does the Russian political machine cope without their God?
>Unironically, does Russia even have a future?
the army finds its balls and murders the secret police
Yeah because if anything sounds better than KGB leadership, it’s gay Officer army leadership
I hope it devolves into a proper civil war, like Yugoslavia. A slaughter of everyone against everyone else.
Not that "bloodthirsty old morons versus bloodthirsty new morons" of last time.
>I hope it devolves into a proper civil war, like Yugoslavia. A slaughter of everyone against everyone else.
What can we be doing to help make this happen?
They have a "future" like North Korea has a future. That is, continued mediocre existence being totally disconnected from reality or progress.
>They have a "future" like North Korea has a future. That is, continued mediocre existence being totally disconnected from reality or progress.
North Korea has at least rudimentary succession ideas. Usually someone relating to the dictator will take over in the event of a worst-case scenario. If not, someone from the Workers Party could theoretically be elected in an Ancient Rome Tier aristocracy. What can Russia do?
Putin was a trusty helper of previous shitter, so now he will find another shill to e his successor. There are rumors about who that will be but I'm too lazy to search for them right now.
b***h please, the only way orcs can overthrow a dictator is when they are led and armed by future dictator, who want the power for himself.
Balkanization, maybe even what happened with Japan and USA i.e forced demilitarization although I have hard time imagining how it would be accomplished.
Forced demilitarization would be that someone would need to help defend border. Frick having the US or NATO have to defend the entire russian border from asia
It doesn't.
One thing people here doesn't understand about Russians is that by and large they hate their government, who they see as corrupt and incompetent. The cult of personality revolves around Putin exclusively, who is seen as a just demi-god who has to deal with scum in all of his subordinates. He has spent decades building up this image, eliminating anyone who could threaten his position. Once he dies, whoever replaces him will have no love from the public, who have been conditioned to believe that Putin personally made the trains run on time.
They will "elect" another piece of shit dictator, who will keep causing trouble along the borders, creating constant unease near UA border while also being a vassal to China. At least at that time danger will be minimal.
Hoping for balkanisation and demilitarization although .
This Russia doesn't. It's a sorry imitation of Imperial Russia clad in the rags and rusty armor of the USSR. It's a nation worshiping two great empires, while having none of either's strengths.
They're a bunch of squatters wallowing in the ruins of their predecessors, and using their quickly deteriorating inheritance as proof that they are still mighty. The only way they'll ever become anything of note is after they finally break down and collapse entirely, after every veneer of ego and pride has been stripped away, and all they're left with is the bare foundation they need to rebuild.
Both the Tsar and the Chairman need to be fully killed and buried deep, before a true new beginning opens up.
Putin is currently 69
And guess who died at 69
>the 69 club
noice
Roll for 420 69
hory shit
And yet Stalin lived to 74.
No, why do you think they glorify the past so much?
Russia's future is going to be more tactical feints into the grave.
Why would they have a future? They don't have an ideology, an economy, demographics, institutions, really anything that would give them a future. They won't admit to their own failures, or to their past crimes (like Germany, Japan, West European colonial empires), they'll rather continue the current way than fix any issues they have because that's humiliating. Their future is slow decay while becoming a Chinese vassal, unless they magically realign themselves with the West.
>Admit to pass crimes
>Japan
Lol
I get what you mean, true, but Japan has absolutely zero political will for militaristic jingoism anymore. Even with their recent push for increased military spending, they're not a threat to their neighboring countries like they used to be.
They're literally just waiting for China/US to take their eyes off them. I hate the fricking jap. I will always hate the fricking jap.
My great-uncles were POWs at Changi, so I've heard the stories of those fricking subhumans.
Atomic weapons were too good for them. We should have flown every single bomber ever built over their shit island loaded with pig manure and human excrement and dumped it out until they're shitty island was buried 10 feet deep in it. DROWN THEM IN HUMAN WASTE!
I am a moderate.
Japan was based, they killed many chinks. Not enough, but they tried.
The israelite fears the samurai.
Balkanization, followed by the core region of russia becoming the kind of shithole dictatorship it propped up in Belarus or Chechnya or Kazakhstan, except now they don't have any satellite states or secondary territories to milk in order to pretend everything is awesome and those other countries' people will actually be able to remove the shit dictatorships russia put in place and fricking progress for real.
Whether or not Russia makes any progress depends on whether the russians kick their habit of apathy and choosing strong men and "certainty" over free will and ability to truly rebuild and the uncertainty that comes with it. Only time will tell.
Absolutely.
>does Russia even have a future?
No. Russia is over.
I really need proof of this whole Russia not allowing people with Russian passports in.
It's a juicy rumor but it needs proof. It has huge implications.
This, good chunk of the info cropping up today (RU command not reinforcing weakened units, Russian collaborators not being let into Russia) are massive but we've not seen much more than a couple social media posts.
Need someone to find some more concrete evidence before we can be 100% sure about some of this, mostly because of the level of implications behind these events.
>Ukrainians just nonchalantly open theirs arms whispering into donetsk rebel ears: "hush no, no tears, all is forgiven. Let's kill vatniks together."
Not gonna happen, traitors must die.
Bilgorod Peoples Republic should be freed from russian oppression!
I wish to be comfort boy for Azov-chan.
>Shoigu, patch me in with troops in the frontline
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Blyat, turn it off Shoigu
Can I have the sauce for this guy? Never seen the original
Russia calls for aid and HAMAS WILL ANSWER
Are any fricking white people going to join Putins war to save the white race. We've got every fricking other race and creed except the one he was supposed to be saving
how does it feel that me (a mexican) fricks more white women than you (a neckbeard gringo)
Given my comment was entirely ironic I don't really care.
overcharging for landscaping doesn't count
Mexicans don't overcharge for landscaping, whites do.
t. white landscaper
this
Disgusting. Go have a nice day on /misc/
Suck start a shotgun, libshit. Glory to Azov
Roisya is not a white c**t
> Russians
> white
If you believe that Russians are white you ate too much vatnik propaganda.
Why, of all times, would you offer your assistance now?
What on earth could they possibly achieve, unless the Russians are having to buy more ammo from them as well; because as far as I'm aware, rockets are the only practical thing HAMAS have to offer.
There's a video of the Palestinians offering to rape Ukrainian women to aid russia. They did a whole song. Truly a civilized people.
Nah, I remember that video. It was a cheeky wedding song about how Palestine was 100% behind Russia's war...because they could then marry the beautiful Ukrainian refugee women. We've seen a bunch of that around all of the place anyways.
Same shit different hook nose
>Russia resorting to Hamas to benefit them.
This reminds me of the schizo tier ideas the Confederates were having in the late civil-war where they were considering giving their weapons to slaves and trying to get them to fight for slavery
>russia started by asking china for help
>then iran
>then fricking north korea
>now hamas
whats next? mexican cartels?
African isis, it's isis but "diverse"
The cartels are better equipped then the average Russian soldier, so...
The cartels would decline, America is too valuable
Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/12/russian-city-deputies-petition-for-putin-resignation-a78768
>Putin fled Moscow
>Putin says the war will continue
>but the Russian MoD says they're not sending any more troops into Ukraine
Ya, it's coup time
Putin fled Moscow? Sauce.
Kremlin spokesperson said he postponed meeting with the MoD and the defense industry, and has gone to his mansion in Sochi. Stalin in 1941 moment.
>"guys, can we be friends again? I totally got bad info from my intelligence services, shit happens, you know?"
Where? On Telegram? I justed searched around but found nothing.
OK found some sources like DailyBeast and what not, but let's see tomorrow.
Nonsense. Steiner's 9th Army will link up with Wenck's 12th army
What military units are left to fight Putin’s internal security forces? Assuming it would take the soldiers in Ukraine and Crimea time to get back to Moscow
when Beria and his "friends" got arrested Zhukov brought in over 300 armored vehicles to support the operation, none were needed
>Russia loses the war militarily, strategically, and politically after second wind ukrainian counterattack
>Putin gets couped and extradited to the Hague
>Zelenskyy hero of the 21st century
KINO
I still can't quite believe a complete hack like Zelensky, a litteral meme candidate who surfed on "Lmao every candidate is fricking shit anyway, why not vote for the guy who play a President in that cool series ?" got propelled as national symbol and international symbol of resilence and bravery.
If the man was killed tomorow, he would become a martyr.
Not only that, but the comedian who acted as a statesman actually turned out to be a real, balsy statesman
I think the horror of the war woke up something deep inside Zelenksky that was deadly serious. It probably has something to do with the fact by all rights, he SHOULD have died in the first days of the war. All the experts said, "You're going to die dude in 72 hours."
He basically faced the very real possibility of his own death.
1) he genuinely believed that Russia would not invade, and when the attack begun, he would have immediately received reports of all the betrayals that e.g. allowed Russia to take the south so easily
2) what you said about facing his own death. in fact, remember at the very beginning of the war? they didn't need to take Kiev by force. all they needed to do was murder the top officials and politicians. plain clothes hitmen were sent into the capital, they were coming for Zelensky and yet he had to remain visible for morale. it's a pretty fricked up situation
I would be shaken, scared, and angry, and out to destroy them
It should be noted that the Ukrainians got a few days notice when the invasion plans were filtering down the chain of command. There's a comment on a perun video by a Ukrainian air defense soldier who said they got a call at 11pm to take all the equipment out into the fields as the bases were about to be hit. He said it saved the air defense around Kiev and they were knocking down quite a few planes early on.
Honestly, he's done a wonderful job by understanding that his job as president wasn't to make decisions that often but to act as a media figurehead. His refusal of an American airlift out of Kiev at the start of the war showed he understood perfectly well what he needed to do, and I do chalk that up to his massive media experience.
>"Act as if thee have faith and faith will be given to you."
Put another way, Zelenksky put on a performance until he became that character.
Best method actor in history.
Started out playing the president on a Ukrainian TV show, then basically played the same character on Ukrainian national TV in order to get elected as the actual president, and then, when shit got really real, play the character of a fearless wartime leader on the literal world stage, and secure massively crucial foreign assistance to save your country from invaders.
Dude has 100 speech and 10 charisma.
Not to mention the counteroffensive in Kharkiv was timed perfectly: Putin was away, a lot of the reserves were doing war games, and a new commander had been appointed to the Kharkiv region (he got fired just 17 days in).
i still dont know if the Ukis planned that to humiliate putin even more or if it was just a lucky coincidence
>putin attending a fricking ferris wheel opening ceremony while the Kharkiv front is collapsing
russian soldiers participating in army games in the middle of fricking siberia
i cant imagine how could you make this any worse
"Who shall bring redemption, but the jesters?"
It gets funnier when you look up what people were saying about him before the war, the shit from Leddit is pure gold:
>Think Trump, but much more stupid puppet controlled by the kremlin to finally kill everything good we achieved in so fricking hard way with tens of thousands of deaths
>He is pro-Russian candidat by himself. He's typical "homosexual sovetikus"
>You are right, he just seem to be "neutral", but in reality his mind is basically "Russian". Or what we say in Ukraine: "maloros"
>he keeps getting into international scandals, has soured relationship with USA, and Ukraine is pretty much nonexistent in international diplomacy stuff. It's embarrassing.
>Nope, he's a piece of corrupt shit and it's only because he's terrified of protests that he hasn't signed over Ukraine to Russia
>Some people would say he is pro-Russian, but I think he is just not pro-Ukrainian. His new year speech revolved around the phrase "who cares (what language you speak, where you come from etc)" and he certainly does not care a single bit.
>And he did a lot for Russia such as losing money they had to pay us, making Ukrainian military to lose positions, kind of controversial exchange of captives on russian terms... and so on
>He stopped almost every reform that started during last 5 years, he destroyed reputation of Ukraine on international arena and he is pressured by Russia.
>he is the face of revenge of Anti-Maydan and pro-russian forces
>Poroshenko because he was leading Ukraine to the civilized world and defended it from Russia
They're also right tbh. He was a pro-Russia, pro-appeasement candidate and did weaken the UAF. Just another way Monke fricked up by attacking instead of just waiting a year or two.
If Monke hadn't grabbed Crimea in 2014, we might well be seeing a (legit) referendum for Ukraine joining RF.
I've been saying it for 8 years, but people just haven't been listening. Putin is a very bad strategist, he's 100% focused on the short term and his long term thinking is non-existent.
Also, for the record, Obama was also kind of a bad strategist, but for the exact opposite reason. He was completely focused on long term goal at the expense of the short term.
didn't euromaidan happen because ukrainians preferred the EU over russia?
It was more of a revolt against their corrupt oligarchs (backed by Russia) not Russia itself. Opinion of Russia only dropped after Putin chimped out and seized Crimea. The whole situation is one long geo-political blunder of Putin making enemies out of friends.
That's what I mean. Governments in Ukraine came and went. Monke could have cut ties with Yanukovych, been "Well, clearly HE was a criminal, we didn't know that about him *wink wink*" thrown their support behind another candidate without his toxicity, and in an election cycle or two they would have been gold.
Throw in some gestures like infrastructure building (pre-2014 sanctions Russian economy was really booming) and it's not outside the realms of possibility we could be seeing in 2022 a triumph of soft power as referendum reunites Ukraine and Russia. Literally, look at my picture. Those Ukrainians really did love themselves some Russians until Monke decided to frick them in the ass without lube.
Now Ukraine is gone, probably forever. They created the anti-russia on their border they were so afraid of.
that's a lot of ifs, ukrainians could see which countries were richer in the end, and having a favorable views of a country isn't the same as wanting to be part of that country's economic sphere, but I get your point, Russia was never all that good at making friends
Putin's violent actions have pretty much driven Ukraine into the Western camp. Ukraine is in zero mood to talk anymore.
That time has past.
Ironically, him taking such a standoff posture before the war ensured Ukraine would win. He did everything in his power, save for crawling on his knees to suck Putin's wiener, to show he didn't want a fight with Russia. Because he did that, when Monkee had his chimpout and invaded anyway, there was absolutely zero question who was the aggressor. The only people backing Russia are their existing simps; everyone else is either horrified or directly arming Ukraine now. There's no hemming or hawing about "they're not doing enough to avoid a war, this is a Both Sides Are Bad issue".
Putin wanted "Breathing Room", to annex Ukraine like Germany trying to absorb nations into its empire.
Yes, obviously. I'm saying the way Zelensky played it, the Western Euros couldn't cuck them out of support, because he basically forced Putin to reveal himself as a blatant warmonger. Everyone knew he was before, but he always had masks he hid behind to deny the worst of the culpability (muh Donbawbewean chillun massacre, muh Little Green Men on Vacation). This time, he was forced to show his hand and go "Yeah, I'm a bloodthirsty warmongering shit, and I don't care." He was so blatant, that now the only way you can possibly support Russia is being an obviously bought-and-paid-for Russian shill. If Zelensky hadn't gone so conciliatory, people could find some way to weasel out of supporting them, but not anymore.
Hopefully Ukraine can get the support Europe promised it.
>Didn't run when he could have
>Not even when the Russians were on the outskirts of Kiev
>Keeps telling Russia to frick off and is keen on getting pre 2014 territory back
>Has used diplomacy in a way that got the entire world on his side
>Has help to reinvigorate nationalist ideals across Europe and in the US
/Pol/tards and vatniks laugh at him but he's shown to be a true lover of his country.
Despite /misc/ claims, they hate their own country like nothing else.
It also happened some months ago.
He is ideally positioned to unite the country, being a Russian-speaking Central Ukrainian (Dnipropetrovsk Oblast).
Also being a dude who offered Putin PEACE, he can't be painted as a warmonger.
Zelenksky's "Without You" speech is the culimation of his transformation into an anti-Russia Ukrainian Nationalist, with the irony of him being a Russian speaker by birth.
It really is amazing how utterly moronic putin and russia has been acting ever since the special needs operation started.
>"We are brotherly nation!"
>Invade your country
>Wipe out your cities with artillery
>Commit all the war crimes
>Blow up your power station when things go wrong
Utterly moronic.
honestly, Zelensky put it best
who wants a "brother" like russia?, even the bongs treat their ex-colonies better even after doing some fricked up shit in many instances
That speech is pretty the moment Ukraine gave voice to its collective severing from Russia.
>"We want nothing to do with you, from now on."
I believe it was a tweet.
Is this speech anywhere online in non-text form? I've been looking for it on video.
>WE are one people
>scare US
>WE stand for
>WE are all about
What the frick is this "we" shit
Zelenstein isn't Ukrainian he's not even a Slav he's a hook nosed israelite with a bolshevik family background and Israeli ties
I am more Ukrainian than he is
>inb4 vatnik/serb
Not even
Yes I’m sure you’re more Ukrainian than the person who’s born in Ukraine, speaks Ukraine, and has spent their entire life in Ukraine. moron. You’re probably not even Slavic or if so are diaspora in US or UK
more Ukrainian than the their slavic "brothers" shooting babushkas in Bucha
he was born in Ukraine, speaks Ukrainian and is defending Ukraine
>"Ukraine, please don't go. I'll blow you the frick up, I love you so."
its
please dont go, ill eat you whole, i love you so, i love you i love you so
>>Blow up your power station when things go wrong
>Utterly moronic.
And vatBlack folk & /chug/gers came and actually bragged about it on /k/ right away, like it was some master stroke retaliation! Amazing. It's militarily worthless but really makes the opponent hate you even more and even more determined to fight back and shows you as petty vindictive homosexuals and further is an admission of total defeat or total moronation or both because if they expected to come back and take back over now what?
So yeah fricking stupid. They just don't live in the normal world, they literally cannot comprehend how decent normal humans think.
It was just a spiteful, petty act that fell mainly upon the part of Ukraine most filled with ethnic Russians.
Putin has a talent for pissing off people who should be his fans. Mariupol mainly spoke Russian and was packed with Russian-Ukrainians before Putin blasted it to hell.
>monke wanted to make Europe weaker
>now every single country wants to spend more in defense
>non NATO countries want to join NATO now
I think he's moronic
What is a politician but an actor by another name?
Man, I wonder what he will do after all this, truly he'll be one of the most interesting people of all time.
I hope he gets some peace and rest at some point, in any case. The man deserves that, at least.
In 15 or 20 years a Zelensky biopic has potential to be the definitive Ukraine war movie
more objectors are about to be defenstrated
>objectors are about to be defenstrated
We prefer to say that the objectors were transferred to the Russian Space Program.
no no no this must be a joke
is it finally happening?
It's just some municipal councils (not the Duma) and they will be ousted in the current municipal elections.
Monke is gonna get Gaddafi'd, like he always feared.
That's the most hilarious part. Literally modern day King Laius.
>Fear and obsess over the prophecy of a dictators death like Ghadaffi
>Do everything to prevent prophecy by trying to killing the people that are supposed to be family
>They turn out to be what leads you to die like Ghadaffi, fulfilling the prophecy
>Mother Russia gets fricked
>tfw you'll never pistol whip Gaddafi with his own gun then put a bullet in his brain as he is pleading for his life
Nothing as sweet as a despot getting his
Did they really have to shove a bayonet up his ass though?
yes
God I wish that was me
lmao it's a few dozen nobodies, watch these morons get arrested tomorrow
Literally whos. They will get arrested tomorrow and spend the next 20 years in prison.
>What if Putin dies???
Then they will stay in prison for being a threat to the next tinpot Russian dictator.
>Then they will stay in prison for being a threat to the next tinpot Russian dictator.
They'll likely get shot the moment Putin dies. Apparently there are orders to summarily execute Navalny if king monke croaks.
Merely the start of the beginning if its not a nothingburger.
Deputies are nobodies, more like town councillors.
They're not the first though and the last few were summoned to police stations but not actually arrested.
It sure feels like the first pebbles but I wouldn't get your hopes up until the duma starts something and even then, they're pretty powerless these days.
>le final battle is upon us, brothers!
>actually enters another long period of attrition, leading into false sense of security, followed by another breakthrough of ukraine's chosing
>Muh NOOOOOK
Lol, i think everyone will not mind if Uks hang a couple traidors and war criminals among dombabians.
ukraine invades russia
Does someone have the fake map where it shows Monke in the Kremlin and Moscow surrounded?
this one?
>Coalition forces in control of Arbat district in Moscow
hot
show photo of ukrainian troops
We haven't even started, Bucko.
Let's go Brandon!
Shove this nogun leftardwhere he belongs, homosexual.
If you go to bed with russia, all you get is ass fricked. Always. Also HIV as sugar on top.
Some anon posted here about drunk wargaming with his co-workers and finding a pretty solid solution for Russia to save face.
>Claim the Donbebwe betrayed them
>Donbebwes eject Russians with some agreement of no guilt/no arrest/no treason charges by Ukraine in exchange for some semi-autonomy of Donbebwe
>Russians claim they woulda won if not for the treasonous DNR fricks
>Justifies putin/his successor being even more authoritarian to prevent a similar stabbed in the back myth.
This would be what happens - if Russia was smart. They are not, so it won't.,
If they are allowed to "save face", they will return in 10 years. They needs to be buck broken through and through.
I think if we learned one thing from history it's that you shouldn't let the enemy craft some stab-in-the-back myth to cope with their defeat.
I understand the sentiment, but don’t forger that 1935 - 1945 was a direct consequence of the humiliation and resentment after 1918
No, its a consequence of not following through and appeasing Germany as Hitler dashed every single line of that "humiliation". Had they Brits and French actually gone through with spanking the frick out of them for getting uppity, WW2 wouldn't have began. It'd be a largely impotent German army/navy getting dabbed on.
The moral isn't about resentment, it's about not enforcing the limits and treaty.
Could this be it, bros?
Could I live to witness Monke getting deposed?
He will never be deposed because the Russians don't want freedom. He will be President for the rest of his life. The only way to get rid of him would be if God struck him dead with a bolt of lightning, and if that happened the Russians would replace him with someone worse.
This. Russians are the most servile pieces of shit on the face of the planet. Not even North Koreans can measure up to the sheer masochism of the average ruskie.
Norks are willing to go through all kinds of bullshit to get out, meanwhile Russhits that were able to freely leave whenever chose to stay
Russia are the most beta race on the planet, they'll never stop licking Putin's ass
For all we know, Putin is dying.
Something I've only ever read on PrepHole but I've seen enough people say it to make me think it might actually be true is that Donetsk is a huge hub for drug trafficking and full of drug users.
It makes sense that the Russians would not want them in Russia proper.
If anyone has any sources on it being a drug trafficking hub please post it, I imagine it'll be in Russian so that's why I've struggled to find anything.
Somewhat related to that, it's all a huge reservoir of AIDS, in fact the HIV epidemic in Ukraine spread from Dombabwe.
It is. Both ldnr and transnistria are drug hubs. Source: am ukie. Also Transnistria is a slave trafficking hub, haven't heard anything like that about ldnr, though. Literally 3rd link on google is about ldnr drug shop expanding to russian-occupied territories and after that a whole lot of news about arresting drug traffickers to/from ldnr. https://novosti.dn.ua/ru/news/330195-magaziny-iz-l-dnr-nalazhivayut-prodazhu-narkotikov-v-zahvachennyh-gorodah
Why the frick would you want it back?
It could be a nice place after you have got rid the inhabitants.
Those Donbabweans are getting evicted back to Russia, problem solved
in the case of Donbabwe, the Russians have thankfully depolulated it of most turn coats, in one way or another.
I just want a 1v1 between Russia and America
No nukes allowed, and no intervention by any other country, they can only spectate, can you image how Moscow would look in just 24 hours? fricking kek
Russia has nothing, the longer they stay the less they have left. The question is how much they are willing to give up, if their "red line" is Crimea and Ukraine is adamant about retaking it, they will probably use nuke as it will take to long to mobilize an army and create some proper defense.
Most likely tactical nukes, in the case of strategic (to force Ukraine to a "white peace")I think Kiev is an unlikely target, they probably also won't take the cities with a high percentage of people that have Russian as first language.
Lviv is probably to big and to close to the polish border, but a medium sized city between Lviv and Kiev is the most likely imo.
>nooooks
There is no "just a little bit of nuclear warfare" any form of atomic weaponry used is going to have every county collectively spit roast Russia.
>inb4 US won't risk escalating..
Lol, just lmao.
maybe, but the leadership in Russia has already demonstrated a major failure in their assessment of things.
They invaded Ukraine with a miniscule army, they did not anticipate the severity of the sanctions, they did not mobilize or do anything to fix the military situation despite the writing being on the wall for months.
They probably don't anticipate a nuclear war with the west will break out because they nuke Ukraine (which i don't think it will either), It's not certain either that they anticipate India, China, Saudi Arabia becoming hostile against them if they use nukes.
Nukes are definitely on the table.
They also undermined their own "cause" by getting a ton of Separatists killed in cannon fodder assaults.
Now Loyal Ukrainians will replace them.
>Bloody urban battles
Nah, Ukraine is going to rush the border and isolate the cities.
How is it that these morons still don't realize they're nothing more then a meat shield for Russia? If they love Russia so much, why not just move over there? Why are they trying to take parts of Ukraine with them? Do they not realize that Russia is going to absorb the Donbass when the war ends?
According to whom?
When will Crimea fall?
So whats the political ramifications for Russia after all this is done, will countries with land disputes feel embolden knowing they're dealing with a paper bear? Will Russia be forced to acquiesce more to save face? Will anyone dealing with Russian equipment have serious doubts about how effective it is?
If I were Ukraine, I'd relentlessly bash Russia over the head with their treachery.
>"You said you were going to help the Separatists. Instead you turned them away at the border and used them as cannon fodder. ALL nations even CONSIDERING an alliance with Russia? Look at the fate of these so-called Separatists, left to die by Russia. They're only alive because we showed more mercy than Russia ever did."
Many of the "Separatists" are just guys forced to fight. Some of them are salvageable.
>Some of them are salvageable.
sure. somebody's got to clear the minefields and dig up all the unexploded ordnance in the area.
Testing their loyalty is easy. Put them all next to the Russian border and see who runs right for it.
If you read pro-Russia blogs you'll learn that the columns of people at the Russian border prove that the withdrawal and evacuation was planned and they are the Russian military is protecting ethnic Russian civvies from reprisals by bloodthirsty Ukrainians.
SOVIET FORCES ARE IN FULL RETREAT
I'M ESCAPING TO THE ONE PLACE THAT HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTED BY CAPITALISM!
Man you people are easily led by BS. There’s 0 possibility of Russia abandoning the Donbas or the separatists there. Putin NEEDS the foothold to threaten the shale gas fields and keep the West out of them.
Not really, freeze the conflict on the border, occasionally lob a cruise missile or some artillery over and no Western company is gonna go near those fields and risk their capital.
It was never about those shale fields, it was always about the idea that if Ukrainians became free and prosperous, Russians might finally wake up and look at them and go "If them, why not us?"
Not to mention Ukraine can justifiably contest Russia's claim to be "the superior Slav civilization".
Russians are threatened and frightened of a rival Slav power, especially one that goes so far West.
Or to put it more precisely. Russia's "Westernization" was always elites forcing it on the people. Things didn't really change on a deep level, as the changes were resented.
In Ukraine, the people demanded to go West. The change isn't superficial and skin-deep.
>To think that it started so well
This is simple as shit.
Russia will never nook unless they are invaded, and even then it's doubtful. Here's the catch: literally no on wants to invade Russia. What the flying frick would you stand to gain?? I mean MAYBE China wants the resource rich east but realistically no one is ever gonna touch Russia. This is actually a double edged sword because it means the war will always ravage Russia's neighbors and not itself, and they know that, so they have little incentive to stop sperging
Plus, they would get nuked back if they did it. I hope to see it happen.
This really does feel like Russian Vietnam.
I've heard Russian soldiers are being mocked by the public as losers. THAT is not going to go over well. Rich Do-Nothing Moscowvites chewing out the shell-shocked war veterans.
Do Russians believe the "we're fighting whole HATO" shit? It feels like they're trying to make it the state mandated copium
Russia knows Russians can't stand the thought of MERE Ukrainians defeating them. The LAST thing Russia can stand is the thought of a Slavic power finally eclipsing them forever.
A traitor's reward. Just what donbabwe deserves.
>"Hey russia, thanks for cleansing all the useful idiots for us! Retaking and repopulating will be so much easier without these people."
Sounds like Serbian Krajina 2.0
How the frick did these morons let it happen
if the dnr troops are smart theyll dump all of their equipment and dress as civilians
>dress as civilians
You know, a soldier dressing up as civilian is a warcrime and gives up their rights as the enemy soldiers. Meaning that it is not required to take them as prisoners of war and they can be shot on the spot.
>You know, a soldier dressing up as civilian is a warcrime and gives up their rights as the enemy soldiers
yeah? whats your point? as long as they dont start fricking around theyre more likely to be fine than if they continue to present themselves as soldiers
Warcrimes do not expire, they can be still charged after the war.
theyve already likely committed a warcrime whats one more
> "... it all started so well."
Sauce? Define "so well."