It's Bong o'clock again. Posted on March 5, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor It's Bong o'clock again. https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1632270968868466689
Hm, decent level of sass today. 6/10
Decode for all y'all.
It's not funny if you move the words and letters around.
Did they really have to do an entire Intelligence Update to Shovels?
Puccia being in such dire straits that they are ordering men to capture strongholds with shovels is a pretty big deal I'd say.
Dude, imagine 10,000 Orks with choppaz coming at a guardsmen's bunker... Zhukov would be proud.
They only wish they were nearly as effective as 40k orks.
>get told to write one every day
>very little changes most days
Honestly it's got to be a pretty shit job.
>writing three paragraphs of at most 200 words every day is a shit job
I want that job.
They probably do more stuff than just write that intelligence update, which is probably done by a small committee not just one dude
They probably got some footage of the assault and were so shocked they just had to tell it.
Do not of cryings, SerGay. (Yuo) too will soon be issued much lethal Russian Trench Shovel and then (Yuo) can too also of being internets trowel. Slava vatnitski!
It's actually pretty big news that russia is issuing shovels. They originally told the mobiks they would have to buy their own shovels for digging trenches.
>Russians getting shovels
We should just send the Ukrainians some fucking big knives.
You have to understand that the report of soldiers using shovels as weapons hurts Putin much more than losing 100,000 Russians. It makes him look weak, laughable, which is the only thing he cares about. His entire being is the artifice of a ironfisted, powerful ruler. His soldiers fighting with shovels is so ridiculous it makes even his allies laugh. Lavrov getting laughed at in India is the only thing worse that this.
it’s the english anon
>Did they really have to do an entire Intelligence Update to Shovels?
They forgot to mention Putins need of the emissions from male pachyderms. Its 100% true, I read it in a britbong newspaper!
Russia has literally devolved to WW1 tier fighting.
>being told to assault a machine gun nest with shovel
jesus christ when I said a real man can do it with nothing but a spork I was joking
>A'rite Lads! Hold the line!
>They'll be coming at us with every shovel they've got!
> And SPORKS! The pagan fiends.
Anyone have any take on how this can literally .. LITERALLY .. get any more moron-tier?
Projectile shovels (an actual tactic taught to Spetsnatz).
meanwhile in the US
Ah yes, the culture war nonsense.
Sporks are for fighting Christians, Knirks are for fighting Turks.
I can only think of TF2 Solder
Turns out those massive bmp explosions launching guys into the stratosphere are just a new rocket jumping technique
nice euphemism for not having mounted imaginary/non-existent APCs in the first place
>short of munitions
This shit has been driving me insane for months.
Does anyone have any reliable sources or information about Russian ammunition stores and manufacturing capacity?
All I keep hearing is they're going to run out soon, then vatniks claiiming Puccia stronk and has infinite ammo.
I get fog of war, etc. But seriously someone has to have some actual data...?
you don't run out of munitions when you stop using them to keep them from running out
Munitions dumps get blown up, they reduce and stop using guns to conserve ammo, they make new shells, they get more shells from other countries, they bullshit each other about how many shells they have, you get the idea. Coming up with a concrete number instead of just observing their behaviour and assuming they're running low is the only real option because the number of shells Russia has changes constantly.
You can't really get reliable info about Russian stocks because the reliable info didn't exist in the first place.
But we can observe that they're not massing their artillery the same way they did earlier in the war. Instead we're seeing unsupported infantry charges
This. The Russians don't know how many shells they have, so fat chance of anyone else figuring it out. The answer seems to be "less".
The volume of incoming fire that the Ukrainians receive has dropped. Running short doesn't necessarily mean they're totally out, just that they may have to reduce fire volume or prioritise certain sectors with the trickle of munitions they get fresh from the factorie
Anon its quite simple, short on munition means that they have less of it rather than completely dry, you can see it in their artillery strikes, in spring to summer Russia fired thousands of shells a day, by now its hundreds, still a lot, but visibly less
>in spring to summer Russia fired thousands of shells a day, by now its hundreds
anon, you're off by order of magnitude: it's tens of thousands to thousands
>they're going to run out soon
That would be your own inference based on 'short of munitions'. Even Russia isn't stupid enough to run out. There's various estimates, but my finger in air is Russia has gone from an average of ~60k a day at the start to ~20k a day now. There's peaks and troughs relative to logistics strain and operational tempo, but the trend is down down down down. It's probably significant because Russia hasn't demonstrated any ability to gain ground without utter saturation, long frontline is long and Russia cannot plug gaps with guided munitions or more effective surveillance.
>Even Russia isn't stupid enough to run out.
Don't bet on it.
prigozhyn said that there is abundance of ammo that MOD just keeps hoarding.
On the other hand ther was a leaked document describing how the supplies will be divided and it looked like a shortage. Lets not forget that even if there is ammo in russia its really hard to get it to the front
Other people on the russian side have said that there is no ammo being hoarded because a lot of the ammo reserves the Russians have is in horrible state. Maybe they are hoarding the ammo that isn't in shit state but there is 100% a ammo shortage that's been increasing since late last year.
He'll say anything to make himself look good and the MoD look bad. The likelier truth according to Russian military bloggers (who admittedly aren't reliable themselves) is that Wagner's supply was prioritised over that of official military units, but they now get drip-fed like everyone else due to dwindling resources. His political rants definitely don't help his situation either.
>I get fog of war, etc. But seriously someone has to have some actual data...?
Looking at satellite data you can see the reduction in fire output. And this is combined with a smaller frontline
I swear to God if the Ukes don't wipe the floor with these incompetent retards the second the mud season ends idk what they are even doing
best we can do is inferring low ammunition levels from reduced levels of activity
because the MOD realises that, actually, taking Bakhmut will not collapse the whole line and they probably should ensure that they still have reserves left to use in the months ahead
>MOD realises that, actually, taking Bakhmut will not collapse the whole line
oh, it will collapse a line alrite, but not the Ukrainian line
Doesnt matter becuase in the end prigozhyn did manage to get golden child treatment. I really wonder whats going to happen when counter offensive hits in spring. Vuhledar front has to be weak as fuck now even without ammo shortage
>the MOD realises
If they realize that then why are Wagnerites getting preferential treatment when it comes to supplies? Multiple units have come out to say that they don't get even a fraction of what Wagner gets.
That's literally what Prigozhin is bitching about now, fagner's getting the same amount of ammo as everyone else now. Which, after being pampered for so long may seem like deliberate supply cut.
Not even the Russians know how much ammunition they have
stores aren't the problem. russia has lots of crap in storage. the problem is making sure people have what they need when they need it.
They'd struggle to literally run out even if they were trying to, there are so many random old soviet dumps out there they can dredge literal tons of shells out of. The problem is that they have bottlenecks on getting all that crap out to their guns at a reliable pace, and then a lot of it is skunked from having sat in a literal bog for decades. They're definitely using more than they're making, but the stockpiles are deep and varied.
>But seriously someone has to have some actual data...
Nobody in the world has actual data. Not even Monke himself.
Western inteligence can't figure it out cuz russians don't know themselves.
Being able to read every report in the army doesn't mean as much as it should when everyone is bullshitting on their reports.
Tangentially reminds me of the RUSI report that diversionary tactics in H1 2022 didn't work because the Russians were too stupid, and future diversions would have to be telegraphed more obviously
>spying on Russian reports doesn't work as they lie to themselves; in future we need to do their work for them and find out what IS the actual ammo supply
It'll never be the case that Russia 'runs out' of ammo but the scope of their attacks will decrease to be in balance with their production levels. Instead of fighting a front, they're fighting for a village, etc
I should have saved that image of the map showing occupied territories and major fighting was occurring, but it was of a single house.
You don't strike me as intelligent enough to understand any of the answers you received. So, rather than try to educate you, I'll just say [OpSec] *redacted* ... I have no intention of helping vatniks understand their mistake(s). It's much funnier to watch the clown circus die screaming & honking in job lots.
Your confusion may be stemming from an assumption that being short on stocks at the front line must mean that there are no bombs left in Russia at all.
The rate of Russian artillery fire is down 75% from 6 months ago. Wouldn’t be doing that if they weren’t running low on the remaining Soviet ammo they’ve been entirely dependent on. Russian manufacturing wouldn’t be able to keep up with 1/10th of the amount of artillery they’re spending.
Not really, no. But there has been some educated speculation.
Thank you for good answer ans some data anon!
People misinterpret 'running out' or 'will run out' as meaning 'they'll have nothing left'. That isn't what it means. If I have 100 tanks and I lose 95. I have 5 tanks left. That isn't me run out. I still have tanks. But 5 tanks is not an effective amount of vehicles for a war such as this. Therefore, same applies with ammo. Russia is not going to ever be fully out of ammo. What they are out of are modern versions of ammo. They're resorting to ancient shells now because there just aren't modern shells left. They still go 'boom' and all but that isn't good enough for a modern army.
This is how things work. Russia will always be producing ammo. Russia will always have some sort of ammo. Whether it is good enough to produce results on the field well enough to win the war is another question.
>Russia is not going to ever be fully out of ammo.
You *say* that. But ....... vatniks. The future still has some magic yet to reveal itself.
>someone has to have some actual data...?
That's the thing. Nobody knows. Not the Americans, not the Brits and not even the Russians themselves.
American intel knows Russia’s actual ammo situation better than the Russians.
>The enemy cannot discover my moves, if I don't know them myself.
Slavic thinking at its finest.
it's not a video game where you hold down the button until the number runs down to zero an then wait for the cooldown
This shit is stored in warehouses all over puccia, it's held in local reserves near the guns. It is shipped on trains and trucks that take time to get there and may not be needed or be required somewhere else upon arrival. It's a fluid system.
If you have an excess of the shit pouring out of every hole then yes, you can have masses of it everywhere and expend thousands of shells a day.
If you're down to production level then you throttle down until you've got a bit of a stock on hand for emergencies.
At no time will Puccia hit 0 shells
Here's some data and a source that actually knows what they're talking about. An ex Finnish general did an analysis of Russia's artillery shell use back in December.
Most interesting parts:
>Russia was estimated to be around 17 million pieces of artillery ammunition before the attack. About 10 million of these have been consumed, about 5 million in Donbass alone in April-June.
>Before the attack, the Russian military industry was able to produce about 1.5 million ammunition annually, which is about 100,000 tons in weight. Current consumption is about 20,000 shots per day, which means about 0.6 million per month
>That is, if the Russians have about 7 million rounds of ammunition left, with that consumption and new production, they will run out of ammunition at the end of next year. If the Russians are able to go to three-shift work in ammunition production, there will be enough ammunition until the summer of 2024. However, the ability to do this is questionable.
>The 65,000 tons of ammunition received from Belarus last only 6 weeks.
>The Russian military industry's ability to go to shift work is really questionable and it would take years to establish new production facilities.
>Indications of Russia's ammunition shortage have been received, for example, from the fact that new ammunition originally intended for export is now being fired, as well as from the effort to obtain ammunition from Belarus and North Korea. Other countries such as South Africa have also been visited when looking for ammunition.
>Increasing the use of ammunition, Ukraine's attacks on Russian warehouses and industrial production difficulties will easily bring the end of ammunition closer to next summer. In other words, Russia still has the ability to wage war for months, but not indefinitely.
TLDR: Russia has used up more than half their stockpiles and only thanks to shell rationing they'll hold out for the rest of the year. Best case they ramp up production but even then they'll be out by summer 2024. Worst case if Ukraine continues to aggressively target Russian ammo depots they could run out by this summer.
This shit show is now turning into manfacturing race? The one that ends up with more artillery rounds wins? Or is it the one that ends up with any artillery rounds wins.
Czech intel said they can make 10k a day
With the level of rampant corruption in Russia I doubt even they know.
Is this true?
Nobody knows, at least who will state it publicly. But even if you half every figure on there its still a shit performance across the board. They haven't lost every tank since they are still fielding them, bit the quality of everything has gone right down.
not necessarily, the count may be 10-20% off on the big ticket items i.e. personnel, tanks, combat vehicles, because these are difficult to confirm
I think the artillery, aircraft, helicopters, and ship/boats are pretty reliable since they're all killed in specific static ways that are easy to confirm, not ATGMs/moving fires/etc
On the vehicle losses specifically, Oryx has visually confirmed 1795 lost tanks, and 712 towed guns+SPGs+MLRS, real loss numbers are probably somewhere in between the visually confirmed and the Ukrainian claims
But Russia could definitely have lost more of any specific system than they had in active service before the start of the war, because Russia had (at least supposedly) quite deep stockpiles of reserve vehicles from Soviet times
>Russians actually charge into machine gun fire with entrenching tools.
...i didn't know that Shoigu collects Death Corps of Krieg army. He strikes me more of a Tau player.
The Tau are what the Russians think they are, while the Imperium is what they actually look like. There is a very good reason why WH40K has a large Russian fanbase; we tend to like things that are familiar to us.
The russians wish they had any even a scrap of the scientific discovery or military discipline possessed by the Imperium of Man
I can't understand this. Anybody care to decode?
sounds like propaganda honestly.
>you don't run out when you stop using them to keep from running out
wow truly revolutionary thinking there
These two terms are synonymous. The fact that 'running out' is present tense means that they have not yet 'run out'. Your argument is invalid and, furthermore, you are a retard.
>the state of running that never actually materializes
please refer to the image, tldr you're retards
Yes which nobody was expecting to happen because organizations reduce consumption to delay running out, which is pretty disastrous regardless.
>a Russian command consisting of infants
>Little changed since 1869
Russia will soon revert to Napoleonic Era foot wraps
They only got rid of those in 2013 and the Ukrainians have already captured mobiks wearing them.
I remember vatnigs coping over that earlier in the war, trying to argue that they're perfectly fine, lmao
Is it still 'decoding' when the edit is virtually identical in meaning to the original? Little indeed has changed in Russia since 1869.
Or perhaps your reading comprehension is retarded and people running out has literally always referred to “the state of running out” rather than having run out.
>Calls others ESL
>Doesn't know running out and running low mean the exact same thing
if your iq is 80 they do
Or just plain old autism. Can't differentiate between figurative and literal. Gets fixated on minor points of language if they don't confirm to his highly regimented and fixed way of looking at the world and categorising things.
>nuances in meaning are lost on him
symptom of low iq anon
Define "running out" then define "running low" then.
If you use something faster than than you're acquiring it you're running out/low/short.
Just because your autistic mind thinks that there *should* be a difference, doesn't mean that there is.
>running out = imminent danger of extinguishing (being out of) resources unless drastic action is taken immediately (you may see this as an acute phase of running low)
>running low = finding yourself at a lower level of supply of a resource with no implication of imminent danger of running out
see? not that hard dumbasses
Not only are both of those terms virtually synonymous, your definition for the former is a much better definition for the latter. I can't even accuse you of being foreign pondscum, because I know plenty of immigrants with a beautiful grasp on the English language, and I know full well there are savages dwelling in the depths of London and America with a worse grasp on the English language than them.
yeah i know grasping nuances is hard for special people like you.
i wrote an extensive reply but got lost because the servers were down
here's the gist of it
firstly the distinction becomes even more apparent in non continuous forms (i ran out vs i ran short very different).
now regardless of whether you like the former definitions over the latter it clearly does not apply to russia as it is not facing (and certainly wasn't a year ago given that we're still here talking about it a year later) an imminent danger of extinguishing its shell reserves and no drastic action has been taken to date (actions have been taken but nothing drastic). (to put it plainly your misuse of the phrase run out concerning russia is WRONG).
whereas the latter definition does apply as russia is sitting at a stable lower rate of shell consumption and is not running out.
hence why people correctly call you out ("you've been saying they're running out for a year") but you rather than admitting fault insist that they don't get your inaccurate use of words.
tldr running out is an acute phase of running low if you can't grasp this refrain from replying, you're not half as intelligent as you think you are
>in the process of decreasing supply, I.E. still "running" towards no supply
>ESL anon thinks "Running out" is the same thing as "Run Out"
I can't even assume you're a russian because people are regularly this bad at their native fucking language
where do they even get this retarded information? I swear this UK intelligence is the biggest meme of this clown war
>where do they even get this retarded information?
Probably directly from the retards in russian leadership
over the past couple days I've seen
>one presumably failed russian attack featuring a tank they've lost (there's a thread in catalog right now)
>russians drop a whole bunch of bombs both guided and unguided on that village
that shovel attack must have been off camera or uk intelligence is on par with daily mail news articles and I think the latter sounds more realistic
>I am absolutely certain I have seen all the combat that has happened in the past 2 weeks
>that shovel attack must have been off camera
check the DVD extras
They're hoarding all the best combat footage, the bastards.
Maybe we should send the Ukies a supply of trench shotguns?
War crime. Literally.
> t. anyone who doesn't understand that, google it up and read how trench shotguns made the Germans cry
> here, I'll help you get started: search string "trench shotgun war crime"
It was humorously like the whining we see from Russians in this war.
>"You can't do that it's a war crime!" said the German.
>"lol," said the American, "lmao."
>invent the air raid
>target civilian population
>cry about shotguns
Why are Germans like this?
>Invent barbed wire
>Complain about saw-backed bayonets
Literally everyone was crying about war crimes while doing things immeasurably worse.
My favorite was when the executed the captain of a civilian cargo ship as a pirate because he fired back at the (surfaced) U-boat that was trying to sink his ship.
we all know anon. although i doubt trench sweepers are good in this case. the last thing they both need is trenches solidifying.
the germans never really expected it to be prosecuted as a warcrime, they more or less just wanted to try and throw a wrench in part of american supplies if they could and try to drive a wedge between the americans and their european allies
Remember, the pump action shotgun is more or less an american invention, the combat shotgun even moreso, and most of europe's experience with shotguns is bird and game hunting period. ESPECIALLY at the turn of the century. The germans were hoping that they could squick the french and brits out by raising the comparison between a hunting arm and something for killing humans.
>Me and Ivan - eyeball to eyeball. That's fucking combat. The man with the E-tool, Dude. Worthy fuckin' adversary.
Is there a place to see all these intelligence updates?
Post your counter-evidence. You have an audience that would love to see it.
Lol when you Russian moron shills still have your antivax programming triggering you.
Maybe you Mongroids wouldn’t have an African tier AIDS rate if you weren’t all retarded and easily radicalized against not dying of preventable diseases.
The dude who made Russia's COVID vaccine was just strangled to death, most likely by a male prostitute. No joke.
>not thrown out of window
bit of a change. Russian Ministry of Defenestration got bored?
Did he not have money on hand to pay the prostitute?
>Haha, what a meme brit report about Russian incompetency
>The MPL-50 was invented in 1869 by the Danish officer Mads Johan Buch Linnemann. In 1870 it was patented and supplied to the Danish Army
I wonder how the inventor would react to it still being in use.
translate all the money into rubles and scrooge would have shattered his spine hitting the bottom of his vault.
>morale is SHATTERED
Lmao it took Russia more than 7 months to take and cost them all of their offensive capability. It galvanized Ukraine morale
It's the official outlet of the Bong Ministry of Defence. It's kind of gay but that's just how it is.
How did bongs become so based all of a sudden after this war?
they were merely pretending to lure Putin to doing something really, really stupid
They are not. That thing is useful for spreading what they want you to know, by mixing it with a spread of already known information and stuff that is meant as motivational and/or entertainment. They have better information at hand than shoveling, but they choose not to share it. Trust noone. Especially not bongs. Read some of their regular newspapers and you will know why.
But everything they say and do just appears to be an attempt to bait the Russians into cope and seethe, it’s been hilarious to watch
> [ ] Brexit
> [ ] bongs based
(You) may choose one and only one, anon.
Both you fucking gay
Found a picture of this anon desperately laugh typing
>"...offensive action largely consisting of dismounted infantry,"
Well, I guess if you have no more tanks, all your infantry is //technically// "dismounted".
Does anyone know how many rounds of 155mm need to go through a tube before the tube must be replaced to deal with unacceptable accuracy loss? Does anyone know if Russia replacing worn tubes at any point? Is that the cause for their abysmal accuracy?
>The barrels on modern artillery guns — such as the M-777 howitzers Canada sent to Ukraine — have to be replaced after firing up to 2,500 rounds.
>unironically posting state media
The BBC is paid for by the British government.
this is not the BBC, but MoD.
MoD is obv part of the British government.
Why are you trying to deny the BBC is state media? It was literally founded by Parliament.
Is English not your first language?
It clearly is not yours.
He's not denying it, he's pointing out that it's utterly irrelevant.
It's entirely relevant. The BBC is British state media and a mouthpiece for the British regime. Why should we act like it is an independent reliable source?
Because nobody is quoting the BBC? Why are you talking about BBC?
Because vatniks are always thinking about BBC, anon.
BBC kinda is, kinda isn't, they constantly criticise the state, they just can't release classified military shit during wars anymore.
are you posting it for the cringe or because you think it's funny? either way horrible posts
Bong Bong, it is T-62 time, would you like milk and sugar?
They're not so elite now so they get not so elite tanks.
>that first paragraph
T-62 is just as good as T-14, comrade. The engine actually works.
Doesn't the fact that there is hand-to-hand combat indicate the Ukrainians also aren't doing too well regarding equipment? If not, who are the Russians fighting hand-to-hand?
>who are the Russians fighting hand-to-hand?
they're using the shovels and hatchets against their own commanders