Its been a decade since MGRR

Was Sundowner right about the war economy?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From Prigo's mutiny, to the Rheinmetall factory that's supposed to protect itself tho whatever happened here, this year has been ar too MGS so far. At this rate a nuke slinging mech will be unveiled before December.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the shagohod

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm still a little disappointed that Scholtz didn't wear a red glove for this photo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia isn't corrupt actually and has been funneling all the money from the army into a metal gear

      I honestly wouldn't even be mad

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if he was right or wrong, but he was sure as hell based.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. STEMchads who accept the Military Industrial Complex get fat fucking stacks while civilian industry cucks get nothing. Give war a chance!
    >B-But FAANG
    Not stable and will fall. Long live Lockheed! Long live Boeing!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >STEMchads who accept the Military Industrial Complex get fat fucking stacks while civilian industry cucks get nothing.
      This is what I tell STEMcucks who don't get above $60,000/yr salary from 'engineering' lawnmower engines and dogfood conveyor belts. Of course their civilian industry doesn't care about them.
      Hell even an uneducated delivery truck driver for Locksneed Martin' makes more than a civilian industry STEMcuck.
      Become a STEMchad and embrace the MIC.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of that games commentary was based in the war on terror. That the US was bombing random countries in the middle east because the Military Industrial Complex needed a war to keep making bombs.

    And sure- those guys are bastards. But really the US at least staid in those wars more cause they were politically thorny to navigate. Look at how much shit Biden got for actually pulling out of Afghanistan (though the Russians bailed him out by making Afghanistan seem like such small potatoes).

    Now- the MIC is certainly happy to be selling guns to Ukraine. But they didn't mandate a new war break out to keep their money flowing. They have influence in the US congress to be sure, but the country doesn't live or die on what they want either.

    Also- Wagner reminded us why outsourcing military operations to mercenaries is a fucking retarded idea.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a balance to everything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wagner reminded us why outsourcing military operations to mercenaries is a fucking retarded idea.
      >Wagner does better than the Russian military in their offensives
      >loved by the Russian people
      >the Russian government’s response is to betray them, cut their supply lines, shell them with artillery by “accident” and then kill Big Prigo
      Wagner did nothing wrong

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        except try to fuck with the government, resulting in said government response

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of that games commentary was based in the war on terror. That the US was bombing random countries in the middle east because the Military Industrial Complex needed a war to keep making bombs.

        And sure- those guys are bastards. But really the US at least staid in those wars more cause they were politically thorny to navigate. Look at how much shit Biden got for actually pulling out of Afghanistan (though the Russians bailed him out by making Afghanistan seem like such small potatoes).

        Now- the MIC is certainly happy to be selling guns to Ukraine. But they didn't mandate a new war break out to keep their money flowing. They have influence in the US congress to be sure, but the country doesn't live or die on what they want either.

        Also- Wagner reminded us why outsourcing military operations to mercenaries is a fucking retarded idea.

        Wagner was "outsourcing" on paper. Nothing more.
        >succesful in their offensive
        Well they were used as expendable meat I dno if that is succesful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good take. The US right now doesn't need to agitate a war for the MIC to keep blood money flowing. Sundowner was right.... if it was 2005 again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean unless there was some grand conspiracy that the MIC is behind that convinced russia to invade ukraine, they seem more like opportunists than global ringleaders irl.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't give the tin-foil hats ideas.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't give the tin-foil hats ideas.

          The MIC's are certainly opportunists. the political right isn't opposed to this war because they like russia, anyone claiming that is lying. They are familiar with the abuse of jingoism the MIC uses, they refuse to play along.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The world of MGS revolves around what amounts to magic and all of the geopolitical strings on the entire fucking earth apparently lead back to literally 6 or 7 people who served on one cold war spec ops mission back in the 60’s. No, Sundowner was not correct, he’s a practically a fucking cartoon character even within the grandiose scheme of MGS you idiot.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he’s a practically a fucking cartoon character
      >practically
      The entire presentation of MGRR was over the top cartoonish as fuck. Only slightly moreso than most of the Metal Gear series. Armstrong had an invisible crowd cheering as he spoke with fuckin sound effects and shit. I figured OP was asking more in the general sense of the character's beliefs as it applies to real world politics, rather than specifics regarding the fictional setting said character resides in as somehow applied to reality 1:1

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MGS was ultimately a pissing match between two dudes on who could misinterpret the Boss's will the most, until V retconned it so that most of the fuckups are due to Skull Face.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >war economy
    It's literally the opposite. War is a active DRAIN on the economy especially once you get attacked. The only "war economy" that ever happened was after WW2, and that was due to the factories in Europe being destroyed and civilian goods having to be made until they were repaired.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it's one of those lines like 'history is written by the victors'.

      See build a car, and that's a economic multiplier, because that car will run for twenty years, helping employ like car repairmen and shit.

      Build a tank, and that tank is probably gonna get exploded on the front lines. It's also gonna kill people- people who can no longer work a paycheck and buy cars.

      Then of course cities exploding is bad for growth- people aren't setting up businesses, and earning paychecks to then spend money.

      Sure there is a war economy. But there's also a peace economy, and after WW2 the west tried to ensure the peace economy made more money than the war economy, and that's helped tremendously limit wars.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends, If you are actively fighting a war a conventional war with your military its bad.
      If doing a GWOT tier war is more R&D and industrial build out spending as money mostly stays internal to the same tier as any incentived welfare program.
      If just acting as an arms dealer then its very profitable.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sundowner was dumb but Armstrong was the good guy, and Raiden is a fag for killing him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Armstrong had some points but his solution was, as Raiden put it, batshit insane. The guy wanted to turn the world into Mad Max so people could "believe in what they were fighting for", that reason being in this case a daily struggle for survival against random dickhead warlords picking at the corpses of nations. Insane overreaction

      >BUT YOU DID SURVIVE!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, any retard who supports Armstrong here doesn't realize they'd be some of the first group to be enslaved or killed off because they can only fight for someone else, and not their own ideals.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We need another war in the middle east

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kids are cruel Jack

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a European, I'm glad that this is the actual way Americans think. If it was up to us with our measly defense budgets because "hurr durr no one does war anymore it's a waste of money", Russia would already occupy Ukraine and the Baltics

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bundeslouch.webm
      once i saw this i realized it's like Germans are ashamed to be in their own military.
      i've seen U.S. high school JROTC cadets be more motivated in their first month parade.

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