It's a shame neither .25 or .32 became more adopted for cheap rifles.

It's a shame neither .25 or .32 became more adopted for cheap rifles. Increased production would've made them cheap and they could've been a centerfire .22.
Love me some .22 lr, probably will be used forever.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CPR would never match .22lr for plinking. Neither would rifle cost so it was an unfortunate uphill battle from the start.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pic related is the only .32 rifle that I'm aware of. they were produced in Italy since the fanooks couldn't own military calibers. they also made .22lr models that were used a standins for M16s in a lot of cheap 70's and 80's movies

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only good things about 22lr is that it's cheap and small. there are two metal components in a 22lr and 4 total different pieces. center fire simply cannot compare to that. the additional assembly steps to make and install a primer drive up the complexity too much to ever get as cheap as 22lr. that's why it endures.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's very true.

      CPR would never match .22lr for plinking. Neither would rifle cost so it was an unfortunate uphill battle from the start.

      Probably right. Lowest I remember was 9mm for like 16cpr.

      But a man can dream.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can be the change you want to see by stopping consumption of 22LR firearms and ammunition.
    Slowly, gradually, eventually, civilization will move on and rimfire will be left in the dust like it should have been decades ago.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's just too many rifles in circulation for that to happen. Plus getting any rifle 1 standard deviation off from the current trend is next to impossible. You'd be paying entry level AR prices for a gun who's ammo cost more and does less. While also forcing owners to adopt yet another caliber to keep stock of.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then those are the sacrifices we're going to have to make in order to move towards widespread adoption of superior technology and collective enlightenment.
        Humanity isn't incapable of doing something so simple as abandoning firearm technologies obsolete for a century, we simply are stubborn. But just like black powder, muzzleloaders, and percussion caps, and lead round balls, we will surely move away from the 22LR and rimfire at one point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean there's a few thousand obsolescent lever gun calibers we've stepped over to keep .30-30 alive. The free market is a b***h in some ways like that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            30-30 is simply one of the most perfect chamberings for civilians technologically, but this isn't true for the 22LR

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >30-30 is simply one of the most perfect chamberings for civilians technologically, but this isn't true for the 22LR
              "Civilian uses"
              >I need to kill a small predator or varmit at under 200 yards
              >Can kill a coyote at full sprint from 100 yards away
              >I need to slaughter a sheep, hog, or goat quickly and painlessly
              >I want to go put 500 holes in a sheet of plywood
              >frick that leaf in particular
              >Saves multiple machining and forming passes in ammuntion manufacture, meaning it is and perpetually will be cheaper to make than any other caliber
              >Rifles can be made to incredibly low specs while still being accurate enough for 90% of the things you need to do with a gun on a farm
              >No headspacing worries, lockup surfaces can be the size of two pencil erasers, pressure requirements so low you can have a couple-ounce chamber even in case-hardened shitsteel
              >Light, cheap, easy to use, barely regulated even in the most cucked states
              >the three misfires in a box of 500 cost a nickel each, oh woe is me
              >can still be reloaded with $50 worth of tools and a can of acetone
              Nah, you're just seething impotently because something so old hit it out of the park so early.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .30-30 is the perfect deer cartridge for 99% of hunters. That's what keeps it going. Of course that may not last too much longer since Marlin has went way up in price and everyone thinks they need an elephant gun to kill a whitetail nowadays.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's funny is that a lot of people mistakenly believe that 25 acp is less powerful than 22 short because the velocity listed on the boxes of .22 ammo is measured with a 16 inch barrel whereas the 25 is measured out of a 2 inch barrel. 22 short out of a 2 inch barrel is a 27 grain projectile at about 500 fps. 25 acp is a frickin manstopper compared to that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any comparison to .22 short is just moronic.
      .22LR is at least relevant to the discussion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People say it's weaker than lr because it is. That said I still want a rifle in it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Any comparison to .22 short is just moronic.
        .22LR is at least relevant to the discussion.

        there's a lot of different 22 loads and not much variation in 25 loads. 22 can be more powerful than 25 but chances are the 22 you're shooting isn't. out of a longer gun, 22 is better.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In terms of potential they're almost identical, as designed. Basing opinions on the current state of commercial loadings is silly, it's like saying knives won't cut for shit because the vast majority of them are blunt dinner or butter knives.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. Further 25 development would have been sick

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but they aren't anywhere near identical. they were designed for completely different uses, 50 years apart. 22 long rifle was originally a black powder cartridge for use in long guns. 25 acp was from the very beginning designed to be a smokeless powder cartridge for use in the colt 1905 vest pocket

            i would like to see more development into 25 acp but that doesn't magically change what it is and how it performs. it's not a good replacement for 22 and thinking that they're equivalent means that you're probably just reading articles that are regurgitating facts to you and you aren't thinking about how they could possibly be different. the only reason its even better than 22 in any capacity is because its leveraging those differences

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Either your bullet goes fast enough to explode into fragments in flesh or it stays in one big chunk. Those are the two types of wounding. Temporary cavity is a meme. Hollow points exist because it lowers the velocity of fragmentation in flesh, only then do larger handgun calibers differentiate themselves from smaller.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How's the view from mount stupid?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Excellent, because I have the capacity to shoot my threats with many bullets and the mental capacity to avoid the threats rendering it all moot.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >centerfire .22
    Sounds pointless when you consider that primers cost more than .22 rounds

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's a shame trash didn't become more popular
    What did the tard mean by this?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    No centerfire can match the cost of a small rimfire cartridge like .22LR. The only reason .32 and .25 existed was to provide reliable ignition in vest pocket pistols because they were being used for defense where a 1-5% dud rate is unacceptable.

    Instead, it would have been interesting to see more rimfire calibers in the 8mm or 9mm variety. 9mm Flobert is still a thing in Europe for pest control and other utilitarian roles, and .22 Magnum is a thing as well. I don't think that leaves a viable role for a .32 rimfire cartridge, but it would be interesting to explore the possibilities.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had no idea .32 ACP was ever used in rifles, but suddenly this thing makes a bit more sense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i didnt figure it was originally chambered in 32 acp i kind of assumed that the gun was a rusted out 32 caliber hunting rifle with a chamber sleeve to take 32 acp because the gun was falling apart and literally held together with duct tape and bailing wire

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