ITS 2023

and 10,000 artillery guns pointed at Seoul is still the most powerful deterrent to war ever devised and theres literally nothing to counter it

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's getting old

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Go to bed Kim, no one cares that you can shell a few suburbs if you want to.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nukes are so big and retarded that they dont deter wars, they prevent escalation

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you ever seen a war between 2 nuclear armed states?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah it looks like a proxy war where they dont use nukes dumbass

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's one going on right now idiot

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >two man concept mandatory
      globohomo really has infected the US military it seems

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That security necessity has nothing to do with recent events and everything to do with successful Soviet penetration of US organizations. It's a fascinating subject for those into history.

        The Russians are as good at subversion as they are incompetent at war.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I love that one Cia book with the history until 19something.
          O
          A few times Russia captured spies who chutes unto ussr territory and made him give calls for military aid and picked up the deliveries themselves.
          Iirc there was supposed to have been drops in the amount of several hundred millions of dollars in 1960 money.
          Also they had a spy in Cia 3rd or 4th level from the top for years.
          Sadly i forgot the name of the book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's also from the great Curtis LeMay SAC era. The Robot Hand took no shit so TAC chopped it off. (I was in TAC at the time but quite the fan of how SAC did business.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Care to explain?
          t. Curious

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like it really affected your porn-ridden mind. You can't even picture two dudes without immediately thinking "MUH GAY BUTTSEX SEX SEXO" You're hopeless.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kek

        That security necessity has nothing to do with recent events and everything to do with successful Soviet penetration of US organizations. It's a fascinating subject for those into history.

        The Russians are as good at subversion as they are incompetent at war.

        Looks like it really affected your porn-ridden mind. You can't even picture two dudes without immediately thinking "MUH GAY BUTTSEX SEX SEXO" You're hopeless.

        it's a joke retards

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So why wasn't it funny?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >theres literally nothing to counter it
    Give it a decade or two.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorks already can destroy all of it in single day. They are so much superior by now that its not even funny anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > take a day to destroy all of it
        > 90% of the guns have already fired a barrage
        they are made to be destroyed, thats not the point

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Barrage is intercepted
          gg no re norks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > he thinks this is possible

            i wanna simp for nk but then i remember im parasitic neet so i keep my mouth shut

            nk is retarded but this artillery strat is OP

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          The gap in power wont be enough to stop the first barrage or maybe even the second of artillery.
          By the time South Korea has retaliated and potentially wiped the DPRK out Seoul would look like a hellscape.

          >have drone recon
          >see ammo moving to guns
          >launch air strikes and pgms at them
          >"NOOOOOOOO, THAT'S UNFEIROO!!!! YOU SHOULDA HAVO WAITED WHENO WE SHOOTTO!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROO STUPIDO CAPITALISTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
          lol
          lmao
          also
          >implying pathetic random artillery bombardment from tiny moron guns would do anything
          lol
          lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > they keep the guns and ammo separately
            bruh

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          The gap in power wont be enough to stop the first barrage or maybe even the second of artillery.
          By the time South Korea has retaliated and potentially wiped the DPRK out Seoul would look like a hellscape.

          then go ahead. Let your skinny gulag slaves start a war and see what happens. hell they will be lucky to die in combat as then the organs will be too damaged to be harvested for some quick cash by the gangster dictatorship.

          It is about time the koreas unite under the clearly superior society that is south korea. Those nooks, if their carriers even manage to work as intended, will never leave their hangar doors as they are buried by bunker busters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're not destroying 10000 guns in a day even with hundreds of stealth fighters. Desert Storm was preceded by more than a month of bombardment by thousands of planes, and that country was a desert with nowhere to hide and not what amounts to country sized mountain range. Even then, the Iraqis still had some equipment at the end of it. NK as a nation is built entirely on this apocalyptic throwdown, and they will remain a threat at the very least until gen 6 spaceships come into service

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You're not destroying 10000 guns in a day even with hundreds of stealth fighters
          >mutt warfare logic
          ayo, sorks have their own artillery in sight
          all that aviation needs to do is disrupt logistics and destroy firsthand prepared ammo dumps to make norks go dry before they even start to shoot

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            even if this is possible it would be such a major inconvenience it makes the war extremely unappealing for both sides. its not about who will win its about making a deterrent so inconvenient its not worth it to find out

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorks already can destroy all of it in single day. They are so much superior by now that its not even funny anymore.

      The gap in power wont be enough to stop the first barrage or maybe even the second of artillery.
      By the time South Korea has retaliated and potentially wiped the DPRK out Seoul would look like a hellscape.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Seoul would look like a hellscape.
        Absolutely retarded. The population of the Seoul metro area is 26 million. Do you have any idea how long it would take to level even 10% of that area? Particularly with shit accuracy and no surveillance to correct aim.

        A few thousand inaccurate 60s vintage artillery tubes, which are certain to be vaporized by SK and US precision weapons within the first day, aren't going to do much more than kill a few thousand civvies.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You do realize they don't have to load HE and frag, and that BEST CORER is a nuclear state that also happened to have been missing from almost every single biological and chemical warfare treaty signing right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought it was only the 1970's Koksan that had the range to hit Seoul.

          >You're not destroying 10000 guns in a day even with hundreds of stealth fighters
          >mutt warfare logic
          ayo, sorks have their own artillery in sight
          all that aviation needs to do is disrupt logistics and destroy firsthand prepared ammo dumps to make norks go dry before they even start to shoot

          I read a few years ago an analysis showing satellite photos of artillery sites in North Korea. There is a number that have underground shelters dug into the side of hills for the guns to hide in that probably also have their ammo stored in them, so hitting ammo dumps isn't likely. On the other hand, precision shells or bombs could easily be pre-targeted and turn those shelters into a tomb.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, being poor as shit so if they conquer you their economy collapses is. If the North Korean military disappeared tomorrow, the Sourth would just pretend they are still there Weekend at Bernie's style.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's more of a mutual agreement than anything else. The Kims want to keep being kings and the South doesn't want to deal with 20 million hungry serfs

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

    It's like people don't do any reading these days

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tldr

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tl;dr there is no gain from attacking Seoul on their own initiative and as a deterrent, that means that SK (or USA/Whatever) is attacking so any civilians would be moved into shelters and likely a pre-emptive strike on artillery positions, massively reducing the potency of it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > "its not a doomsday event"
          yeah but its such a major inconvenience it is a deterrent

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But it isn't. That's the paper. I explained it. There are two situations.

            1. North Korea randomly opens up on Seoul. Only a % of those 10,000 artillery pieces are in range of Seoul and only a % of them can reach central Seoul (aka the populated area). Therefore the amount of people killed is massively reduced. A lot of people? Sure. 30,000 is the estimate in the first few mins. But in the process, North Korea kills civilians and foreign nationals (who are most likely Chinese) and suddenly they are no longer a state, but a ended regime in waiting. Eventually South Korea, USA, Japan and maybe even China all jump on and end North Korea. People die, but that's life.

            2. It is a 'deterrent' to stop South Korea attacking North Korea (or any other nation such as USA doing it). But this is immeditely flawed because IF the SK or USA was going to attack North Korea they would A) Move civilians into safe(r) areas (like the 20,000,000 bomb shelters they have in Seoul) before they attack and B) Launch a massive artillery and air campaign to pre-emptively take out as much of the artillery as possible - a think South Korea has dedicated time, money and technology for decades to be able to do.

            Therefore the 'deterrent' will be completely neutered because the risk to civilians would be much lower as they would have, you know, prepared for the NK artillery fire.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The "sea of fire" bullshit also assumes that 100% of Nork tubes are aimed at civilian rather than military targets, which would be absolutely retarded. The Norks could kill a few thousand, maybe a few tens of thousands (for perspective, Seoul has a population of 20+ million), before getting raped by every GPS-guided shell, PGM and JDAM in the Sork arsenal.

              The only equalizer the Norks have is nukes, everything else would be destroyed in a matter of hours, Gulf War 2.0 style.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It would be impossible to evacuate civilians to safety without NK immediately being aware of it. Since that's a great combat indicator, it might cause the norks to immediately open up.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i wanna simp for nk but then i remember im parasitic neet so i keep my mouth shut

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >theres literally nothing to counter it

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is still the most powerful deterrent to war ever devised
    that and the enormous minefield, and the shithole nation that would destroy SK economy for years in reunification, and the brainwashed insectoids one would have to fight through in the millions and then the giant hive just north of THEIR border....
    whats detering this war again?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's not it's the nuclear ICBM that the ZOGgie fears

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't the nORKS get mogged every time they decide it's time to bombard a random south korean island? South Koreans are content to starve north out and if all those guns are firing at soul they're missing the army crossing the dmz

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Worst Korea doesn't want war and doesn't need to be deterred.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what the fuck are you smoking. After the Yeongpyeong incident, the US had to talk SK out of wiping NK off the map.

      Especially with the current government, SK is more than ready and willing to smack kim out of the way and march all the way to beijing.

      And no lie, now would be the perfect time to do it, with russia basically killing itself. But for whatever reason, the US doesn't want a war unless it involves oil.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would SK even want to get rid of NK at this point? They're just going to get flooded with former NK citizens. Do they even speak at the same language?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because SK wouldn't just let NK peasants move to Seoul immediately, dumass.
          There's already a ton of humanitarian aid going to NK. SK will just keep them north and make sure they actually get the aid, unlike with kim. That alone would increase their standard of living hundredfold.
          Then between development projects and controlled migration, NK will be integrated into SK over several years.
          If anything, it'll be a bigger problem stopping people moving north to exploit the poor, brainwashed saps than the other way around.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If anything, it'll be a bigger problem stopping people moving north to exploit the poor, brainwashed saps than the other way around

            ywn buy a flatbed truck, fill the back with bags of rice and drive north into CHOSUN to become king shit of your own personal village

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Already used to living under brutal authoritarianism
              >Already practiced in kneeling in front a mass grave for your village's mock execution because you were 2 kilos short in rice production
              >Become king shit by digging a well, importing cheap Chinese consumer goods, and digging one (1) sanitary bathroom/bathhouse. (Total cost, 30,000 USD)

              Yeah, I could see it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "South Korea's original plans for retaliation were, we thought, disproportionately aggressive, involving both aircraft and artillery," Gates wrote in his memoir.

        "We were worried the exchanges could escalate dangerously," he added.

        Over the next few days, Gates said he, US President Barack Obama and then secretary of state Hillary Clinton had numerous telephone calls with their South Korean counterparts in an effort to calm things down.

        "Ultimately, South Korea simply returned artillery fire on the location of the North Koreans' batteries that had started the whole affair," he said.
        >
        We didn't get any SK F15s and 16s shitting on NK, thanks Obama

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cucks ukies from full escalation over crimea
          >cucks sorks from full escalation with norks
          Gee, thanks Obama!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            can burgers do the rest of the world a solid and stop voting for gays? Is it really that hard?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, you first though

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If yuropoor, canuckistani or poorstraylian hands typed this post then this is the biggest case of the pot calling the kettle a moron I've ever seen.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No. Unfortunately all politicians are gays, so it's impossible.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Couldn't you just jam the communications that give the batteries their orders to fire?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cables

      >You're not destroying 10000 guns in a day even with hundreds of stealth fighters
      >mutt warfare logic
      ayo, sorks have their own artillery in sight
      all that aviation needs to do is disrupt logistics and destroy firsthand prepared ammo dumps to make norks go dry before they even start to shoot

      You use planes to kill artillery because it works. Killing 10000 guns with counter battery fire alone will not be faster than doing so from the air, especially if it's an exchange between mutually known positions. Anybody that believes a military will smash another, larger military in a day on technological superiority alone is retarded

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nooooo you can't use thousand tubes to fire at thousand positions, it doesn't work that way!!!!!!!
        You have absolutely no idea how artillery operates, not in the past nor in the present

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If anything happens we will literally kill more artillery pieces in a day than any military has in history by a factor of several dozen
          Very realistic proposition anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You just ignoring the sheer gap between them. Even Saddams shitskins were less of archaic force against US at the time. We are comparing early cold war mishmash of armed peasants against one of the most modern military forces on the earth.
            Just look at Ukraine if you don't believe me, difference in technology between sides is miniscule, in some areas, like aviation, EW, armor and etc. russia even superior, yet just tiny advantage in slightly better comms and tactical drone recon allowed vastly inferior force to push it through whole spring and into the summer, when a bunch of semi-modern MLRS unita managed to completely turn everything upside down.
            Now we talking about Sorea, who is infinitely better than both Ukraine and Russia, against Norea, who would get their shit kicked in very deep by both Ukraine and Russia. I honestly just lack the words to describe this gap in any meaningful way, it's literally like fighting line infantry in world wars, it's just ridiculous.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody is arguing that NK stands a snowballs chance in hell at actually winning, the point is that militaries of that size simply aren't beaten in a day. And unless SK develops psykers that can tell them where all the guns are accurately enough to actually hit them in one go, it won't just suddenly start happening. And it's not like NK are going to do them the favour of allowing their entire military to get splatted on day 1 by bringing everything out

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And unless SK develops psykers that can tell them where all the guns are accurately enough to actually hit them in one go
                Anon, we have spy satellites for how long? Iirc some guy did comprehensive guide over all north korea, including military installations, just from the osint. And that's without mentioning that drone recon is becoming more and more accessible with each passing year. I won't insist that absolutely all of nork artillery would be immediately destroyed, just because it's statistically impossible, but I'm ready to bet my liver that 80%+ won't survive it into day two of the war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Finding military bases is one thing, providing actionable targeting data on enemy batteries is a completely different beast. During the Korean War, literally every single standing structure larger than a toolshed in NK was bombed out by B-52s, and it still ended in a draw. Including mortars and MLRS, you're looking at total indirect fire assets in excess of 20k pieces. You're just not crippling a force like that in a day, or even a week. NK is essentially a military with a notional civilian sector attached that has been preparing for this exact eventuality for the last 70 years. Nobody has ever gotten far by underestimating an enemy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you are talking about 70 years old conflict, effectively fought on ww2 tech, no shit you can't have precision artillery strikes in era bofore precision artillery. You somehow still talking from the perspective of time where saturation bombardment was the only bombardment and argue that it is impossible any other way. Again, just look at Ukraine, artillery warfare changed completely from that time, you no longer need to continuously fire whole battery at the same point for an hour to hit at least anything, you can see hundreds of vids where 2-3 shell flies directly in the target.
                And single modern PGM can do more harm than whole B-52 raid in Korean War did, because, again, it is precise.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet, both of these extremely artillery heavy armies still have most of their indirect fire assets intact. Curious. The problem isn't hitting targets anymore, it's finding them. Good luck finding all those guns in their concealed mountain positions

                >militaries of that size simply aren't beaten in a day
                We're not talking about beating them in a day, we're talking about taking out the artillery positions along a portion of the DMZ.

                You can probably suppress them, but don't count on wiping them out completely.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>Good luck finding all those guns in their concealed mountain positions
                >koksan has range of ~40km, which is exactly the range between Seoul and border
                >meaning that for all 10,000 guns to hit Seoul they need to be placed in very tight formation in very specific place on the border
                Lmao, good luck hiding your artillery fatty Kim

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Iirc some guy did comprehensive guide over all north korea, including military installations, just from the osint
                Link?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not that anon, but there was a website that I read about 5+ years ago that I think is the one he's mentioning. I don't know if its gone or paywalled now but I can't locate. They'd mapped 100s of artillery and air defense sites that they'd identified from satellite photos, and overlaid weapon ranges on. They also did some analysis on how the sites were laid out, i.e. some air bases have underground hangers, and some artillery units have underground shelter to protect from counter battery fire.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >militaries of that size simply aren't beaten in a day
                We're not talking about beating them in a day, we're talking about taking out the artillery positions along a portion of the DMZ.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure the bigger deterrent is China not wanting to lose their buffer state and SoKo not wanting to deal with the expense of bringing Norks into the 21st century

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking you can level a modern concrete jungle in a day like an american suburb

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      please explain

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People in other countries don't build their housing as single family homes out of wood and drywall

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like your cages Nigel? Apparently, we're supposed to enjoy this Eurocuck vision of a family house

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ywn deflower and English rose on the living room couch of one of these estates

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't know why you get triggered so hard by factual observations about the construction of your houses lol. Enjoy your suburban home surrounded by nothing except thousands of rows of more suburban homes that you can't navigate without a car I guess

            Also, I'm not british

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I live in the outskirts of the city with a big yard and my next neighbor is sort of far away. Sorry we do not live in a commie block

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where does this image come from that Europe is just a single metropolitan area with nothing but brutalist housing blocks? You understand that the concept of "house with a big yard" isn't foreign to us, yeah? And since we don't build them from wood and drywall, there are quite a few that are older than the US lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying you're not going to be dealing with a 1:3 ratio of shells of housing destroyed due to the housing density, with some low-density suburbs needing one shell per house

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Be good and do what you're told is how you counter it.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In 20 years Seoul will be a nursing home and the Norks won't even have to bother to strike it with artillery. Sorks are fucked in the long term because they aren't fucking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just import arabs and seethe about capitalism.

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