italy would've won, or at least would've put up a better fight, had they a few dozens more of these.

italy would've won, or at least would've put up a better fight, had they a few dozens more of these. it wasn't even that hard to manufacture, it's a cruder version of a stug with a bigger gun. if only they fielded their fearsome 90mms instead of fricking tankettes.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The couldn't produce the basic 75mm semovente in sufficient numbers, let alone that.
    They only produced 30 semovente da 90/53, and it's an even simpler design; they really needed the 90mm guns for air defence, not wunderwaffen tank destroyers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They definitely needed more artillery, since they struggled against Lees and Crusaders which are objectively terrible tanks, with thin armor and a boatload of issues concerning maneuvrability and engine power.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No existing heavy industry means they aren’t building much better. Italy was really not that far off from your average current day banana republic. Mostly poor and agrarian. Whatever could be produced had to either be dirt cheap and crude as frick (Carcano) or made very well in small numbers in what could be considered artisanal workshops rather than factories (most of their aircraft and the Beretta M1938 SMG).

    That’s not even counting whatever the hell was going on in their R&D sector.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad you got a Bachelor's in Military History from War Thunder University

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's wot not wt.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Italians could have had modern tanks and they still would had defected to the Allies. There just wasn't enough political will to continue.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't have mattered if they had 10,000 more of them. Italy never had the capacity to fuel or maintain legit armored divisions

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kys war thunder troony

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not war thunder you worthless Black person

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >haha, you stupid idiot, you can't distinguish between these two identical Russian data mining grindfest shitbox vidya games.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes indeed, you're a stupid idiot. also world of tanks is not russian, and unlike gaijin, wargaming doesn't actively endorse the invasion in russia. wargaming out of principle shut off all its russian servers, which made them lose a lot of money and eventually forced them to resettle in bulgary.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That wasn't an invitation to ammend your point, goober.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Italy was already exhausted from conquering Ethiopia. Then Rommel used Italian troops like cannon fodder for no reason at all.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What irks me is how italy was able to make some of the best battleships in europe, and yet couldn't assemble a proper fricking tank, which by 40s standards is just a tractor with some armor bolted on. It's like a man learning to run before learning to walk

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >[nation stuck in a war that is extremely unwinnable for a myriad of reasons] would have won if only they had more of [weapon that barely matters in the grand scale]!

    It should be legal to execute people who post these threads on the spot.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about just a few more of these?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/102/35_su_Fiat_634N

    Or not used engima radios?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/autocannone-da-102-35-su-fiat-634n/

      Italy was already exhausted from conquering Ethiopia. Then Rommel used Italian troops like cannon fodder for no reason at all.

      Lol at one point Italian troops were issued a fe hundred less calories per day than German troops.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they can get a lot done in short time in ambushes but are highly vulnerable to return fire

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        surely that's better use of resources than building obsolete armored vehicles that can't do anything in ambush and are still vulnerable to return fire

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          you can't go wrong with having a 88mm gun around but the tactical mobility Tiger or Jagdpanther allow you to do the engagement on your terms, not theirs

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            yeah sure it'd be nice but the italians weren't capable of building armored platforms utilizing big guns so it's kind of a moot point
            better to have a softskinned transport with a big gun with crappy cross country capability than a crappily armored tank with a shit gun that can't engage anything it is expected to face

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              armor is pointless anyway, what you need is firepower. and italians held back the british horde with barbed wire and hand grenades. it's no surprise they got rekt. had they real artillery this wouldn't have been the case. forget the casemate, forget the tank-on-tank action, if you can't provide enough suppression then having light or medium tanks is pointless, they become just big targets

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have conquered Malta and called it a day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will never understand mussolini's line of thought
      >i need gibs easy and fast, with whom shall i ally with?
      >the überpowerful alliance of superpowers i'm already techincally allied with, which is deeply linked to my military aristocracy, that could prop up my industry just like with the soviets, and slighted me once because they refused to give my useless croatian rocks back
      >or
      >the mentally unhinged failed painter that dabbles with wiccan magic and thinks he's possessed by an aryan demigod, that just broke every treaty under the sun, that's riling up the entire western world, whose nation's economy is held together with scam bonds and glue, that is allied with slant eyed imperialists that tlwill inevitably bring america to the war, and that is obsessed with racial cleansings and german supermacy, and that is very clearly looking for a puppet state to advance its plans?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mussolini was forced into alliance with hitler after the failure of stresa front and allied sperg out over ethiopia and anyone with a brain who has ever looked at the absolute state of british/french foreign policy before ww2 knows that

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bongs are a fricking plight on this earth

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the english race are the protagonists of world history

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When everyone, literally everyone hates you, saying that it's just envy becomes delusional.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can stop seething any time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have to seethe anyway. Britain is a derelict caliphate and a shadow of its former self. All you have left are the memories from when you used to be the biggest drug cartel in history

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                protip, go to Kosovo and say you're a Bong, you'll get free drinks your entire stay. so to say 'everybody hates you' is just false. you can also pull this off in netherlands as a canadian.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >protagonists of world history
              >relevant for barely 400 years and they already are a minority under the rule of the ones they once tried to conquer.
              Sure thing muhammed (most common baby name in the UK)

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They would have put a better fight if they didn't kill their only competent general in Libya by accident. Winning was out of the question without Malta under their control.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the gun 105mm in OP not 90mm? Also the Germans built more of them than the Italians.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, Italy would've won if it didn't have shitty commanders who got the position for seniority or nepotism. Look at how fricking effective were italian troops lead by the germans.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They weren't. Germans didn't care about italians, they just sent them to die. It was the allies that properly tardwrangled the italians, and they did wonders against the japs in the pacific theatre. But for the germans, italians were nothing but meatbags.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >meme alternative history
        Read a book instead of instagram reels sometime, braindead zoomer

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Remember when the Germans slaughtered 5,000 Italian POWs and dumped them into the sea?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >talk about italian troops effectiveness being limited by incompetent leadership
            >THE GERMANS HATED THE ITALIANS NUH HUH
            Are you underaged? Are you that insecure that you feel you need the validation of dead people who became the biggest cucks in europe?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shitalian procurements during WWII
    They make the Germans look organized by comparison.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The 90mm was way too big to fit on anything enclosed in the Italian inventory. They would've had to have created an entirely new vehicle from scratch to mount it. The heaviest/largest Italian tank of the war was the P40 and it was only 26 tons. Even the open top M36 Jackson with armor comparable to a heavier light tank like the M5 Stuart was already 29 tons.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The heaviest/largest Italian tank of the war was the P40 and it was only 26 tons.
      Hummel is 24 tons

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Did you miss the part were anon said enclosed? Plus the Hummel was a SPH, not a tank destroyer. But it still doesn’t matter since even though the P40 weighed just 26 tons they were only able to finish around 20 by the time they signed the armistice. Italian industry was severely lacking.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Italy was severely hampered by its lack of domestic fuel and industrial capacity. Without addressing those two things first Italy was doomed to struggle in a fight vs US & UK no matter the composition of their mechanized forces. Dudes didn’t even have enough material to build a navy or air force large enough to defend their stupidly long coasts or logistical lines in the Mediterranean. Had Italy been able to bum off of Germany’s industrial capacity they could have actually been a force to reckon with, but of course that wasn’t really gonna happen considering Germany had its hands full at the same time and couldn’t really spare anything.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I just wanted to make a stupid zigger tank game thread not on PrepHole but /k/. So I will make a bullshit claim based on nothing, without understanding why Italy couldn't do it, and make it look like a valid thread

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