italian/eu armies are small as fuck

so whats the point of this organizatonal strucutre, i get that italy doesnt intend on using its armed forces ever as its a cucked pacifist country and the army is for "self defence", as if that only entails someone invading you.
this army is very small so in a war of defence such as the one its intened for it wont exist anymore after a very short time as ukraine shows, basically all its vehicles are cold war era apcs or ifvs with an extremely small amount of tanks.

-almost no expeditionary capability and power projection to intervene in low intensity conflicts and no political will to do so anyway

-never seen combat since ww2 aside from extremey small token liasons sent to the sandboxes

-mostly comprised of people who went there because they EXPECT TO NEVER ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEE COMBAT and to just get a job

-little arty support, no pgms, almost no cruise missile, only 2 aewacs

-only decent parts are navy and air force but the planes are small numbers so in a real war theyll get attrited away quickly

-the navy can be useful for defending the mediterranean sea shipping and/or against an amphibious invasion or enemy carrier getting close to do airstrikes/do airstrikes itself

-it only has 11 line brigades, its small as fuck

-i know neighbour countires arent hostile so the need for a land army is lower

-as youll see in the next pic the brigades have very low firepower, little firesupport and armor, yes i know its a mountainous country but it still seems undergunned and small

whats the point of such an army? its a tool, but it seems to me that theres no real purpose this tool has been made for

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      an entire brigade has 4 120mm mortars and 6 155mm arty tubes, it seems very little

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're reading it wrong, they have 12x 120mm and 18x 155mm

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its 1 support company with 1 mortar platoon of 4 Mortars per batallion, 1 battalion per regiment + support units, and 2/3 regiments per brigade, so yes 12 mortars you're right, but still it seems very little organic support

          and also 18 arty tubes you're correct, that seems a more decent number

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shitaly

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so whats the point of this organizatonal strucutre
    To keep the core structure and skills alive so they can scale up if needed later.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but if you need the army you don't have time to build it up during war you need to have it already, I dont even know if those old cold war vehicles are even still in production if need be, otherwise it would be needed to buy from foreign nations

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If we need an army there's NATO, surely they have a plan to work together while every nation ramps up its logistic and turns into an economy of war and is able to enlarge and sustain its own army

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shit doesn't hit the fan overnight unless you're sitting on a powder keg like the Levant or go full retardo and start an invasion wholly unprepared (lolargentina). Interwar Pooland had 6 years to prepare in earnest, current_year Oinkrane had 8 years to get their shit together, etc.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          true for conscripts and trained personnel but not sure for developing military industry, and problems aren't always telegraphed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but if you need the army you don't have time to build it up during war you need to have it already, I dont even know if those old cold war vehicles are even still in production if need be, otherwise it would be needed to buy from foreign nations

      also the Italian Gov doesn't have enough money to pay for it's own retarded "welfare" expenses so I dont think they could scale up the army anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what about skills?
      is the training level good?
      both for officers, ncos and troops, same for organization like logistics and planning, these aren't shown in the numbers.
      maybe anyone here that has had joint exercises or has been in can give some info

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pupmp

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They just play pretend, armies are social welfare in europe, same reason why everyone is okay with sending everything to ukraine, they never expect to actually fight, that's what american meat is for, why waste your men in wars when you can waste amerimutts money and male population?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good morning sirs! is true, they should consider the reorganisation of the army along same lines as as mighty BRICS superpower India

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this army is very small...
    this assessment is useless because "small" and "big", "little" and "only" are meaningless words without a frame of reference

    Here's one simple model through which to consider the Italian armed forces:
    >Italy GDP: 2.1 trillion
    >US GDP: 23 trillion

    Italy's armed forces should theoretically be 1/10th the size of the US armed forces. in practice this is actually 1/20th because the Italian defence budget is proportionately about half that of the US defence budget

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A standing army is essentially a moneydump for a somewhat wealthy European nation.
    It's why only the US (world police), France (Africa police) and the UK (little boy world police) really invest heavily in their militaries. Most other places in Europe either have extensive buffer zones or are geographic nightmares.
    The other countries that invest a lot into military are generally authoritarian shitholes, who need it to bully their neighbors and to play pretend empire.

    Just consider this simple thing: If Italy spent as much on its military as Russia, would Italy be anything but even more of a shithole than it already is? There is no benefit to having a large military if you are just going to sit around. A competent coast guard, a few carriers and a small but competent air force and Italy is all set. Anything beyond that is burning money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so it doesnt need armed forces bc it never acts using them and it doesnt have neighbours to defend itself from?

      why do you say italy is a shithole?

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