Italian army

11 maneuver brigades (1 tank, 5 mech inf, 1 cav, 1 paratroopers, 1 airborne, 2 mountain)
3 sof units + 1 sof helis
1 utility aviation br (distributed among the various brigades)

COMFOP SUD -napoli

-mech inf br - campania calabria --garibaldi
-mech inf br - sardegna --sassari (no arty/no recon)
-mech inf br - puglia --pinerolo-mech inf br - sicilia --aosta
-mech inf br - roma/lazio --granatieri di sardegna (very small just 3 mech inf bat and 1 horse unit)

COMFOP NORD -padova

-paratroopers light infantry br - toscana --folgore
-tank br - veneto --ariete
-cavalry br - veneto/friuli --pozzuolo del friuli (has bt lagunari)

COMTA -bolzano

-light mountain infantry -piemonte (1 bt l'aquila) --taurinense-light mountain infantry -veneto/trentino --julia

COMFOTER COE -rome

-airmobile infantry - emilia romagna --friuli (2 transport heli bt, 2 attack heli bt)
-special forces reg -montorio veronese --4 alpini paracadutisti
-special forces reg -camp darby --9 col moschin
-special forces reg -livorno --185 rrao
-cargo/utility helis -1reg viterbo, 1bat lamezia terme, 1bat elmas,1hq bat bolzano, 1 bat turin ...)
-sof helis -viterbo --aldebaran

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t understand why the battalions inside a brigade are all spread out and distant from each other and from their support batallions instead of being close

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd imagine its really just to spread out the jobs around the country.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They hire on a national basis and then “deploy” you, so what you’re saying doesn’t make sense

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          bases generate jobs outside of just the soldiers. Cleaning, maintenance, etc. Soldiers moving to more remote areas also will spend their income on those areas, and pay taxes to those areas. For less populated areas, a military base can be very important for their economy.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >1 tank, 5 mech inf, 1 cav

    What's the difference between them? Aren't tanks cav?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      See

      https://i.imgur.com/CUIJhL1.png

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mech inf br - sardegna --sassari (no arty/no recon)
      >mech inf br - roma/lazio --granatieri di sardegna (very small just 3 mech inf bat and 1 horse unit)
      >cavalry br - veneto/friuli --pozzuolo del friuli (has bt lagunari)
      these are likely dump / roundout units

      >11 maneuver brigades (1 tank, 5 mech inf, 1 cav, 1 paratroopers, 1 airborne, 2 mountain)
      more like 9 brigades

      because of force generation cycles, it is more useful to count battalions when considering European armies

      now, the following is just MY SPECULATION:

      >Friuli
      1 airborne infantry
      >Folgore
      1 cavalry, 3 para
      together, these two can generate 1 or 2 airmobile battalions for war, or various task forces for minor ops

      >COMTA (Taurinense and Julia)
      2 cavalry, 6 mountain battalions
      mainly garrison the mountainous north

      >Pozzuolo
      1 cavalry, 1 marine
      rounds out the Italian Navy's San Marco Marine Brigade (not shown here)

      >Aosta
      The Sicilian garrison, 1 cavalry, 3 mech inf wheeled
      >Pinerolo
      The Southern garrison, 1 cavalry, 3 mech inf wheeled
      >Sassari
      The Sardinian garrison, 1 mech inf wheeled, 2 motor infantry
      these garrison formations are unlikely to be very expeditionary
      they can perhaps contribute 1 or 2 IFV battalions for war

      >Ariete
      1 cavalry, 2 tank, 1 mech inf tracked
      will most likely "absorb" 1 or 2 of the other brigades to round out for war, elements of Garibaldi and Granatieri di Sardegna probably
      >Garibaldi
      1 cavalry, 1 tank, 2 mech inf tracked
      >Granatieri di Sardegna
      1 cavalry, 1 mech inf tracked, 1 motor infantry
      from this you can easily generate an armoured brigade comprising 1 cavalry, 1 or 2 tank, and 2 or 3 mechanised

      overall the Italian Army's dispositions are mainly geared for defence as far as I can tell

      >Aren't tanks cav
      no
      cavalry are recon units
      in European armies they're typically made up of wheeled recon vehicles; in the Italian Army they use Centauros
      the US Army used to use Bradleys and Humvees, not sure what they field now

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and 1 horse unit

        Probably ceremonial

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the centauros

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why is Aosta, from the North, stationed in Sicily?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >105/120 mm gun

        Centauro don't sound like recon to me

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look at the armour; Centauro isn't a tank
          Recon formations typically carry ATGMs and/or cannons to give cover fore to their scouts or attack enemy tanks and targets of opportunity with

          Why is Aosta, from the North, stationed in Sicily?

          I don't know, tradition most likely

          Eg. The oldest British Army regiment is the Coldstream Guards; Coldstream is a tiny unimportant village on the border of Scotland and England, but it is where the unit originated and wintered sometime during the English Civil War.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        so let's put this all together

        >Friuli
        >Folgore
        1 cavalry, 4 airborne battalions
        >Pozzuolo
        1 infantry (+ 3 marine battalions not shown)

        >COMTA
        2 cavalry, 6 mountain infantry battalions

        >Garrisons
        2 cavalry, 9 infantry battalions

        >Ariete + Central Italy
        3 cavalry, 3 tank, 4 mech + 1 motor infantry

        totals:
        >4 airborne infantry
        >4 marine infantry
        >6 mountain infantry
        >7 cavalry
        >3 tank
        >4 mechanised infantry (Dardo)
        >10 wheeled or motor infantry (Freccia / Lince)

        In the event of war, you can usually mobilise 1/4th-1/3rd of the army relatively quickly, maybe 1/2th given a bit more time
        also, 3-company battalions typically get rounded out to 4-company battalions in war, adding 1 reserve company from another formation
        so this gives the following:

        >Strategic / Reserve Forces
        1 airborne battalion
        1 marine battalion
        supporting cavalry companies
        2 wheeled/motor infantry

        >infantry brigade
        1 cavalry battalion
        2 mountain infantry
        1 wheeled/motor infantry

        >armoured brigade
        1 cavalry battalion
        1 tank battalion
        1 mechanised infantry battalion (Dardo)
        1 wheeled infantry battalion (Freccia)

        to achieve the 1 Division expected of a West European NATO country

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looking at Ukraine right now it seems a very small army, but it’s also to be noted that Italy doesn’t have likely enemies that will invade it by land and doesn’t plan on doing expeditionary action, so it doesn’t really need much of a land army, in fact it also has almost exclusively Cold War era land vehicles aside from centauro and lince

          I’d also want to see how the squad and platoon are organized, because if they don’t have atgms at platoon level its a bit weak in that aspect, I’d also like to see if they have MG platoon

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Looking at Ukraine right now it seems a very small army
            Yes, because Italy also has to maintain significant naval and air forces, and its military budget is smaller and dwindling
            (Ukraine's military budget had always been ~2% and shot up to 3.5% after 2015, and they don't have much of a navy)

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              About that, how’s Italy Air Force and navy?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                They have two aircraft carriers, one of which has an F-35B airwing

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Italy: $2.16 trillion
              >Ukraine: $200.1billion (pre-war)

              Lol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's cheap to run large numbers of mechanised infantry in a poor country.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                And when your war is subsidized by a bunch of other countries.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine had a large land army even before Feb 2022.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This

            https://i.imgur.com/iO0BuKm.png

            >Looking at Ukraine right now it seems a very small army
            Yes, because Italy also has to maintain significant naval and air forces, and its military budget is smaller and dwindling
            (Ukraine's military budget had always been ~2% and shot up to 3.5% after 2015, and they don't have much of a navy)

            Italy is blessed (and cursed with one of most defensive geographies: 90% bordes is sea, and remaining 9% 3000m+ moumtains. They realisitcaly need 2 mech divisions to defend choke points, 2 alpine divisions to patrol Alps, and Airborne for rapid deployments. Rest can be Navy and Airforce. And all things considered, they have preaty good Airforce: 84 Tornados, 94 Tayphoons, 75 F35 on order.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I just typed like a drunk schico.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Where can I learn about air and naval warfare, I know a lot about land warfare but not much about the other 2

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lince

            Huh. Never heard of this fully bastard before

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what do people people here think about the Italian army’s structure, toe, training and sustainment?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're not doing a very good job in the Med

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no marines? somebody told me that italy had a pretty good euro navy

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the lagunari, they’re in the first pic

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Rare NATO symbol
    Neat.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it arty btw

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        ceremonial gun perhaps

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    kino comercial

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      holy shit

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