it will be either a kino or a disaster

it will be either a kino or a disaster

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure if this is bullshit. It's plausible but also russia is currently underway removing almost the entire civilian population of zaporhizia oblast by force - so this could be the classic deflection tactic to distract from the (real) Russian effort to kidnap civilians

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're not going to cross the dnipro. that's fucking retarded since contested river crossings are a huge shitshow

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course, but that's why Russians have slacked on defenses. Ukies have NATO ISR. They're not likely going to make such dumb mistakes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rule one of war, "there's always dumber mistakes"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I could believe in a crossing, but if one was done 1-2 weeks after the actual offensive as a flanking maneuver via light infantry. But this is just Russians losing their shit again and projecting.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        An Anzio landings type situation could be possible. Hopefully without having an idiot in charge this time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Dnipro was crossed several times in WW2. It's not an insurmountable obstacle.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you elaborate on this? Just curious.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dnieper

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1,285,XXX casualties

            What the fuck guys

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              eastern front was a nightmare

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >belligerents
                >Finland
                Unironic Soviet propaganda. If you read the article itself, they make it clear Finland intentionally stopped short of completing the encirclement and only took back the ground lost during the Winter War.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I didn't know Fraiser Crane could amass such a large force.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russians were a mistake.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This doesn't seem real

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As you can see in todays conflict, Russia never recovered.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those are different estimates by different historians, but knowing what we know about the Eastern Front I wouldn't be suprised if the casualities were on the higher side

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my grandpa fought in that battle, lol

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How many Russians did he kill?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did he ever talk about it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, he only ever told me kids friendly war stories.
                both my grandpas later fought in france and got fucked up by the americans (one captured, other severly injured)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/6v3I5un.png

            tbf to the russians a bit (lol) the actual operation looked like this on the map so it wasnt just a bunch of rafts getting peppered my mgs in the river

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Amazing how relatively close the Germans still were to Moscow after 2 years

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When I read the "The Forgotten Soldier" there was a chapter about that crossing and it was described as fucking hell for the germans. Thousands upon thousands of wehrmacht soldiers waiting on right bank of Dnieper to cross to left bank while being mowned down by soviet fighters etc and having the soviet army chasing them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my neighbour who passed a few years ago was one of the soldiers retreating over the river. He said the boats were full to the brim and he couldnt get on, so he grabbed onto the edge so he was pulled by it. A lot of others had the same idea so the people on the boat were hitting their fingers so they would let go and not slow them down. A lot of the guys dragging in the water let go sooner or later and drowned but he was one of the few that managed to make it across.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dnieper

          They crossed it, while being lit up with machine guns, with rafts. The Germans maintained two bridgeheads after the rest of their army had been thrown across the Dnepr complete with IIRC two panzer divisions just because HItler wanted "options".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those crossings were done in an era without drones or satellites. Not comparable at all to today

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Drones existed back then. Natural satellites was also a thing.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Somehow I doubt they were fielding drones on the eastern front

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think drones back then were just people in scout planes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                imagine a scout plane flying around, dropping hand grenades on trenches.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                literally how combat aviation started

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's like saying japan had cruise missiles in ww2, they were just suicide pilots ramming planes into american ships

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Natural satellites was also a thing
            Are you talking about the moon? What are you implying here?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was far more aircraft flying around in ww2 than there is currently.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Dnipro was crossed several times in WW2
        And WW2 was the last conflict where bridging operations were done in combat. Even then they carried a casualties rate of 60%(?). Now, there are drones and artillery in an area where neither side has air superiority. Bridging the Dnipro is extremely risky and nigh suicidal
        >t. 12C

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were but it was further upstream where it isn't so wide, and it was often part of big offensive movement where one side had just pulled back over it and the other crossed straight away

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Doing shit everyone thinks is impossible works if you can figure out a way to do it. See: Hannibal crossing the Alps, Napoleon crossing the Alps, Inchon, the Crusaders leaving Antioch's walls to challenge a much larger, healthier army, or on a much smaller scale, Washington crossing the frozen Delaware.

          The problem is that, as Inchon shows, the line between blunder and genius can get pretty thin. Like Bill Belichek opting to kick in an overtime game.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Omaha beach was pretty much impossible from the point of the Axis, only an idiot would attempt it.
            Yet it got done.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              D-Day had absolute naval and air superiority, with battleships and strategic bombers pounding the defenses - as well as a paratrooper vanguard to secure key crossroads to limit troop movement.
              Ukraine doesn't have this.

              Fuck orcs, btw.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine doesn't have this.
                Ukraine doesn't have to take Omaha beach either. It was an example for something that looked crazy but got done.
                But your post got me thinking and yes, it's all senseless, Ukraine should put down their weapons and sue for peace.
                t Jhonny Walker from Cincinatti oblast

                >Fuck orcs, btw.
                Nice virtue signalling, btw

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that cat okay?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon but the idea that Ukraine NEEDS to complete extremely complicated crossing with EXTREMELY high potential cost just to have outnumbered troops in Hola Prystan or Oleshky is absolutely retarded idea and I don't understand why morons keeps entertaining it as valid strategy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they play video games where you get a debuff for crossing a province with a river and that's easily surmountable if you stack Discipline, Infantry Combat Bonuses and have a high pip general.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nice virtue signalling, btw
                He did that so that dimwits would still consider his post. Unfortuntately you were a bit too stupid for even that to work.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/h1bnNx4.jpg

                Omaha beach was pretty much impossible from the point of the Axis, only an idiot would attempt it.
                Yet it got done.

                What D-Day also had was an exceptional intelligence operation that managed to trick the Germans into thinking the attack would come somewhere else. This was probably the biggest factor in the success of the D-Day landings

                Ukraine has shown form on this before. For me, it's the most interesting parallel with D-Day and it's what I'm looking out for. Some kind of grand deception

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DURRR NOBODY HAS EVER CROSSED A RIVER

      HURRRR IM A SHIT EATING RETARD moron HURRR

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're losing the narrative so bad, pidor.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Without air superiority and a lot of bridging equipment (they have neither) trying to cross is suicide. The Russians will simply throw everything they have at the bridge, and they have more to throw, not that Ukraine has enough bridging equipment to do it anyway.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Russians will simply throw everything they have at the bridge, and they have more to throw, not that Ukraine has enough bridging equipment to do it anyway.
          So that is your argument? Ukraine didn't get any material from the west and Russia is too strong?
          I feel utterly demoralized now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can smell the onions from here

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You might have a stroke.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          theyve got tons of bridging equipment donated to them from many diff countries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you pair it with a thrust on the left bank it's not retarded. But I agree that this is most likely a diversion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will probably build a few 20km bubbles of airspace superiority and place a few Gepards around the pontoon bridges.
      Not sure if they got German Brückenlegepanzer and pontoon bridges, but if they do, they'll build 6 bridges in pairs of two, about 20km from each other.

      The length is unusual, with about 600m to 800m, but it's doable with proper prepwork.

      However, in my opinion it's too early, we should see a lot more battle field shaping in the week and days before it starts. I would have guessed end of the month.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also it should be mentioned that Leo2 got a few tricks and the Dnieper isn't terribly deep everywhere.
        Not sure if this applies, but it might be possible.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "Silent dive, 2 knots, no ping, ready torpedo 2"
          "Jawohl Herr Kaleun"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/yc7z92y.jpg

          ... und das heisst, EEEErika!

          Y..yeah not gonna happen.
          Anyway this week is gonna be interesting, some Ukrainian units are talking about a "big surprise nobody expects" soon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I know, it almost feels like a war crime.
            But here is the kicker, the Germans aren't the only ones that delivered M3.
            BTW, i found Ace "Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast" Rimmer explaining some of the features of the M3:

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Shut up Germ. The Hohols can't operate such things, with the 26m kit you'd need at least 24 per lane, with six lanes the entire enterprise would be too costly. Also you'd have to fight the river itself all the time, it would cost millions of liters of diesel a day.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >big surprise nobody expects

            ukrainian ghost nuke detonated in red square inshallah

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dont think anyone has actually used those things in a real war.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Leopard 2s height including snorkel is 6 meters
          The average depth of the dnieper is 8 meters
          Theres no way its gonna happen unless ukies make a extendo dickus for their snorkels

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >average depth of the dnieper is 8 meters
            Sadly that means there are no parts of the river that are less than 8m in depth. And so Russia once again wins uncontested.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My dude, the longest rig built bridge was like 320m, done by Germans and Bongs with 34 rig vehicles. You're not building a 600m-800m bridge over the river without massive amounts of rigs and other bridging equipment.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have to, that's what happens when a river cuts the country in half.

      https://i.imgur.com/6v3I5un.png

      >Frieser
      >every single man killed or wounded
      Doubt.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They have to
        No they don't, if you haven't noticed Ukraine controls majority of the territory on other side of a river

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >every single man
        1,687,164 isn't the the total forces, it's the total casualties

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is such thing as disaster kino.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, it's not attack on Nova Kakhovka, it means it's not real attack

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ... und das heisst, EEEErika!

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Comprehend the incomprehensible.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If ukriane has a capable marine corps with amphibious equipment and a good logistical tail then it makes sense for them to use it in a limited objective capacity - pose a reasonable threat of forcing a river crossing and it presents such a risk to the Russian flank that it requires an outsized commitment to defending it, which is good for taking units away from defending against the ukr main effort down to melitopol. However if they're seriously going all in across the dneipr then fuck me that's a bold play

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if they're seriously going all in across the dneipr then fuck me that's a bold play
      Not going to say i know things, but it's in space of possible actions they can take. We have seen that the Russians folded when confronted with real power. I would expect the same to happen with a river crossing.

      https://i.imgur.com/AUqbFJA.gif

      What if the Germans donated their Tigers?
      You can ferry a Leo2 with two M3, no need for a bridge. They would be able to secure the eastern side.
      It's almost as if that gear was made for this! THIS IS MY HOLE!

      Oh look, the German Tigers have been shipped out two days ago with an Ukrainian Antonov:

      M3, Leo2, Gepard, PzH2k, Tiger, HIMARS, Bradleys ... the plot thickens.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if the Germans donated their Tigers?
    You can ferry a Leo2 with two M3, no need for a bridge. They would be able to secure the eastern side.
    It's almost as if that gear was made for this! THIS IS MY HOLE!

    Oh look, the German Tigers have been shipped out two days ago with an Ukrainian Antonov:

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hohol agitprop.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please just go into another thread. We all know russshitia will lose.
        Maybe try Facebook? I get the feeling these retards still fall for vatnik propaganda

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Oh look, the German Tigers have been shipped out two days ago with an Ukrainian Antonov
      They get transported via ANs because Germany doesn't operate a fleet of C-17s or God forbid C-5s. Sure you can squeeze a Tiger in the back of a A-400M but the Bundeswehr has the habit of chartering Antonovs for their heavy equipment transportation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You can ferry a Leo2 with two M3
      wait. What

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like your typical phantom offensive from last year.
    >y-yeah guys the khokhols definitely attacked but we repelled the offensive, killed 50 brigades, 20 Zelenskys and Boris Johnson.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What i´ve been meaning to ask for few weeks is this:
    Ukies have been mentioning formations for the counterattack like 82nd Airborne Brigade and 37th(?) Marine Brigade, do these brigades actually have means to do Air Assaults or Forced water crossings or are these Airborne and Marine in name only?
    What got me thinking about this was when i saw pics of the 82nd being equipped with Strykers.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know for a fact that Ukrainian 59th Division is going to spearhead the attack. Its a fresh unit, but strenghtended with core of experienced veterans from first year of the war, who were allowed to rest, retrain and rebuild , most of them spend last months in Ipswich in bongistan training on new equipment.
    The plan is to use them to break the hole for rest of First Ukrainian Strategic Army Group .

    They are one of the units equipped with Bradley, although - fun fact here - there was a rumor circulating that they are going to get Patton which is pretty wierd and would make no sense at all.

    t. knower of such things

    Also 59th has pretty cool badge .

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NO STEP ON SNEK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They mean Patton as in George S. Patton. They dug him up and will carry his remains around as a relic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        actually ukies have patons of their own: a father-son pair of famous academics in the field of engineering (father) and welding (son)(the madman loved welding so much he even spearheaded research on how to weld flesh)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Patton
      >FUSAG
      >59th division
      You are laying it a bit thick, arent you?
      Still dissapointed nobody here caught up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying anyone here knows about WW2 history that much
        >implying anyone would pick up on FUSAG let alone the 59th
        I saw the photo and immediately laughed anon. The use of punctuation like this . Is a nice touch .

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or, people did and didn't want to ruin the joke by going
        >Hahaha I get it see the 59th was the fake army that Patton was leading and was used to distract the Germans by making them think that a bigger invading force was going to land elsewhere and D-Day was a distraction hahaa epic banter xD

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, retards here believe Ukraine will try to push Leopards across Dnipro?
    That's why "I was in the army, listen to my opinion on this weapon/vehicle/conflict" is shit reason because grunts are legally retarded

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the posters in here are underestimating modern artillery and drones
    The moment Ukies start constructing pontoons they would be targeted by MLRs and conventional Artillery within 10 Minutes and later even airstrikes thanks to drone recon
    Even if Russians completely fuck up their respond time the pontoon would still be able to get targeted after its construction which would cause heavy equipment to be stranded on the other side
    So not only do you need to hope russian spotting and respond time is complete dogshit you would also need to push russians atleast 50km away from the pontoon to be save from Conventional MLRs and Artillery

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The whole thing is being choreographed on social media, they've even started posting videos of them practicing mock shore landings, it's 100% a faint to force the Russians to deploy a bunch of units facing the river.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the fuck would Ukraine evacuate Kherson to launch an offensive?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So russia wouldn't shell its own citizens in the eternal russian city of Kherson, duh.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're surrendering Kherson

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OPSEC
      Cant have snitches if there are no people to snitch

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still betting there will be at least 1 major helicopter raid to capture a strategic RU-controlled object during the counter offensive. I was hoping Dzhankoi, but it might be a stretch. But if they pulled it off, it would be kino

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in Kherson rn and no one is being evacuated lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm also in Kheron. 20,000 soldiers just crossed the Dnipro. I also saw about 20 F-16s flying straight for Crimea.

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