It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
Magnets and shit.
>Magnets
How do they work?
SOLAR MAGNETS DOOD SHIT
>elon, age 4
The Hyundai Tucson is all you need.
This. Actually a very solid suv.
/o/tists get the fuck out
That's for naggers. Toyota is the Aryan choice.
excuse me sir, don't you guys ride around on Ninja 400's everywhere?
Fuck Ninja 400, I've heard this a million times and I still not get it.
it's a very versatile and inexpensive motorcycle. not a lot of power, but a great little 2 cylinder commuter for from the village to the begging streets or the poop curb.
why though? and why didn't you say why?
Because electricity will be the first thing that's gone in an apocalypse. You'll be at the mercy of having to try to use solar panels.
what will you be at the mercy of when the gas spoils?
the battery will go bad before the gas does
well, no
if you want to ruin your engine yeah
A battery goes bad only when you use it tho. You can stash a few dozens accumulators and swap them out when the old one deteriorates.
It takes over 8 years of daily driving just to reduce tesla batteries to 90%, even if you extrapolate linearly instead of logarithmically as the data indicates, you'd be fucking dead and your children using your inherited battery pack before its becoming useless.
It's amazing how willfully fucking retarded most of the people hating on electrics are. Not only completely clueless about the tech, but flat out making shit up about how they imagine it works, while insisting they'd all be running wood gasifiers and their own petrochemical plants that surely won't have any negative impact on the lifespan of their engines even if they do get them working.
wonder how many forests will have to be leveled just so 10,000 retards can run their wood gasifiers. Let alone millions.
It's incredible how fucking stupid people can be
You're a retard. The batteries in those cars are good for 10 years. Gas goes to shit in a year especially the shit with ethanol in it that pulls water out of the air and puts it in your gas... Even with stabilizer it won't last 10 years...
You can drive a thousand kilometres with gasoline while electric cuck dies in disaster zone
>what will you be at the mercy of when the gas spoils?
>implying most of these people bleating on about muh grid collapse are even aware that refined fuels have a shelf life and degrade at all
You can make fuel for diesel engines out of old plastic,
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You will still have 2-3 years. Meanwhile if I had to rely on the fucking sun, I'd get absolutely nowhere, because I haven't seen the sun in like 3-4 months, and it could be another 3-4 months before I see it again.
>I haven't seen the sun in like 3-4 months, and it could be another 3-4 months before I see it again
skill issue
>literally the land of geothermal innovation forgets geothermal plants will continue functioning with relatively no maintenance for a century after collapse
You're retarded anon, and proof Danes are the worst of the scandanavian trio.
I've ran a lawn mower on 5 year old gasoline from a canister with a lid, no stabilizer, and had 0 issues, never understood the expired gas meme
youd unbderstand if i sat you ionfront a a/f meter and a dyno , but as far as "running" sure it "runs" does it 5 hp still NO but it runs , hence the meme "shes a runner" followed by a black grea cloaud, no she happen to run on old fuel because there was still enough compression to ignite it being almost turpentine which is still a fuel to a degree, my diesel would eat it no questions mixed with some lube but your shitbox gasser would cry and cough
do you really think the international oil trade will continue in the apocalypse? the sun will keep shining though, and the wind will keep blowing, and the rivers will keep flowing
No but do you honestly think you are gonna be driving around a lot during the apocalypse? I’m just gonna chill and use the fuel I have to run tractors and other stuff for basic living. The 150 gallons on my pickup will last a good long while.
No it won't. Itll last probably half a year. Modern gas is so shit. You need to start working on a wood gasifier
Should have long enough to get crops in the ground and get things set up for when it all runs out, but I’ll probably have a setup to make crude biodiesel from the excess plant life at that point.
Depends when the collapse happens. You're putting a lot of faith into a product that will expire before you can use any surplus you have
Honestly I’ve seen 3 year old diesel run pretty decently, as long as I can keep the algae out of it with some algaecide it’ll run decently though my older engines.
Yes I have fun anecdotes too but the truth is the average fuel will probably not fire after a year
Oh it will I promise these engines will run on anything oil related. Gas engines are shit in comparison to some oversized injectors on a diesel.
Cool, where are you gonna get any oil derivatives? I actually don't care, I'm done with your I'm always right attitude. The simple fact is if the collapse happens swiftly, the clock starts on fuel expiration
Have fun with your batteries while real people use stills to refine plants into oil based products to throw in engines :p
What in the actual fuck planet would you refine anon please enlighten us.
Basedbean, peanut, corn anything that you can get oil out of will run pretty cleanly in an old diesel.
Dude I can make gas in my backyard out of oil sand and fucking trees. Thinking the world would run out of it shows how little you know about oil and gas you actual city dwelling homosexual; you'll not make it a week.
Produce the plans or shut the fuck up
Are you fucking seriously this stupid?
Apparently
Produce your plans to use oil sand and trees to produce fuel. I want to see them
Pressure vessel, heat, oil sand, cotton that's it. People do it around here all the time. The ground is covered in it.
Produce your plans and schematics. I'm glad people around you do it all the time, I want YOU to show me
Just google rednecks have been doing it for ages up here it's not a secret technology.
thank you leaf, you give me hope that you all arent retarded and real true leafs exist
No you show me. I'm the idiot right? You know how to do it right? Show me or were you just flexing? And you're actually the idiot who doesn't know how to do it? Yeah that's what I thought
But you are an idiot though, this is pretty basic stuff.
Then show me, explain it to me in your words
Do you want basic gas or basic oil for diesels?
Whatever YOU can do. Show me in your words, with your plans and schematics how to produce fuel with oil sand and trees, like the original Canadian said.
Don’t know about oil in sand as I’ve never seen that but for gas you can create it with a wood gasified like everybody else has done in this thread, alternatively you can produce high proof ethanol that will suffice for the time, not gonna last as long or produce the same amount of power but it will run. For diesel oil it is just squishing the fuck out of it till lil comes out of whatever you have. Some thing make it easier like having a solvent but you can brute force it if you have to.
So you just hopped into a convo not knowing what it was about? Awesome thank you for wasting my time
How about stop being a nagger and just take the L that it is not as hard as you think it is?
I never said it was hard, read the convo before jumping into it retard holy shit you're dumb and the reason this board is shit
Even not knowing about oil in sand it doesn’t take a brainiac to understand if you get the oil out of the sand you will have crude oil? Why are you so combative about this meager talking point?
I'm combative over the fact you called me an idiot when you don't even know what the conversation is about. When did I ever say I didn't know you could get oil out of oil sand? Like I've said before you just hopped into a convo without knowing what it was about, this is why I'm combative and wish you'd kys
you can't get a turnip out of a stone, as they say.
It’s a free board and jumping on someone with a room temperature IQ is something everyone should do. Dumb people should be made fun of for not understand basic things.
Which is why I'm making fun of you for being dumb and not understanding basic internet etiquette. You have a nagger brain
EXPLAIN IN YOUR WORDS WITHOUT USING ANY PICTURES WHY THE SKY IS BLUE AND NO I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY SOUND REASON! NO DONT MAKE FUN OF ME EITHER I WILL ONLY TAKE CRITICISM FROM ONE PERSON WHO I WAS CONVERSING WITH ON A MONGOLIAN WEB WEAVING FORUM.
>not understanding basic internet etiquette.
ترجم هذا النص وإلا ستموت والدتك أثناء نومها
http://www.history.alberta.ca/energyheritage/sands/unlocking-the-potential/independent-experiments/default.aspx
Not your words buddy, I want you to explain it to me. Since you know how to do it right, and you've done it before of course
Never said I could, just found something people have been doing for a hundred years.
You implied you could when you said I was stupid for not knowing how to make fuel from oil sands and trees. So by your own logic you are also a stupid nagger
That was a different leaf.
Which explains why he disappeared
>thinking you can refine the super low quality oil from canadian oil sands into anything useful
My guy by the time you manage to get basic crude filtered out of it your grand children will have died from old age.
I know people who do it now to power small diesels running irrigation. You have no idea what you're talking about.
just bubble in some propane.
There is some conspiracy to convince people that things have 0 shelf life.
My brother has shitboxes with 5 year old gas and I can go jump start one of them. The others are too fucked to run with good gas. He didn't put stabilizer in them or anything either.
>There is some conspiracy to convince people that things have 0 shelf life.
was thinking that reading post you replied to.
it might just be how sensitive alot of fuel injected engines are these days.
i've had 2 or 3 motorcycles that sat for a few years before i got around to playing with them again. replaced the battery and they all fired up.
same with a couple cars.
>Electricity can only be made with solar panels
nagger there are so many ways to make electricity: Hydro electric, sterling engines, manually copper around a magnet, etc. its just difficult to make it in the necessary quantities for something like a tesla. An electric assist off-road bike though...
>You'll be at the mercy of having to try to use solar panels.
In the event of an apocalypse, using solar panels only requires that I clean the snow off. Using gasoline requires that international trade continue.
All you need is copper and magnets
as it has been proven recently, fuel is the FIRST to go, almost immediately. Electricity is around forever, and even the store bought generic 330w panels can go a long way in making an electric car run forever
along with:
no motor oil needed
no diff damage if you run over a tree or something on the road (bottom of an electric car is perfectly flat)
barely any maintenance for an electric motor
It’s a lot easier to generate electricity than it is to refine gas. Honestly everyone will just be riding horses again by then anyways
You can drive a thousand kilometres with gasoline while electric cuck dies in disaster zone
What does that matter when the fuel is gone? And don’t start talking about ethanol that shit will burn through all your gaskets in a month. If combustion cars survive the apocalypse they’ll probably use wood-burning external combustion engines.
That thousand kilometres won the battle while electric cripples got massacred waiting for charge
you put little micro windturbines all over the outside of the car, so just by the car moving it's generating electricity so it runs forever!
Meanwhile I camp out in the woods for a year and then run circles around technology cucks with my horse
Tactical mobile saves your life and defeats enemy
>mobile
mobility
Unless you live in a dry lake bed you won’t even have a suitable surface to drive on after a year or two, especially in a country with cold winters lol. Your roads will be one giant pothole in the blink of an eye
Wind and water can also generate electricity.
I put a big metal rod on my roof to catch some lighting. I figure one good strike I'll have more electricity than those solar panel fags get all year.
Can't even guarantee sun light in an apocalypse
The patrician vehicle of choice for the apocalypse Chad is pic related
where are you going to get your gas when the refineries shut down genius?
this. electric vehicles are shit now but they're way better in a post-apocalyptic scenario than gas powered
>they're way better in a post-apocalyptic scenario than gas powered
The quiet running is desirable, the battery and charge degrading in adverse weather is not.
How are you supposed to get electricity in an apocalyptic scenario?
Literally spin something with magnets attached inside of something else which also has magnets attached. Also, home solar panels last decades.
That wouldn't produce electricity anon
You need magnets and coils, not magnets and magnets
>How are you supposed to get electricity in an apocalyptic scenario?
1) scavenge car batteries
2) scavenge washing machine
3) turn washing machine motor into hydro turbine
4) put hydro turbine on river, charge batteries
Yeah this rolling piece of iot software that would take a month to get a half charge in any big disaster scenario is obviously a rational choice
>a month and a half to charge
I have 10kw of solar, at most two days for a full charge. You got an oil well, pump and fractional distillation column in your back yard?
>at most two days for a full charge.
Overrun by enemy, family raped and tortured to death
Non sequiter
We live next to Russia, in conflict they target local power, only gasoline and diesel will operate
>way better in a post-apocalyptic scenario than gas powered
do you not get how easy it is to build an ICE? or keep one running?
retard.
you can run a diesel on used fry oil.
You expecting lots of fast food restaurants to be producing french fry grease just for you during societal collapse?
Same thing can be said for electric car factory's
If shit is that fucked up. everybody walks.
Primitive forms of diesel are very easy to make, it's a very similar method to distilling/fermenting alcohol.
Modern (very recent) gas engines can run on E100 with variable computerized timing. It's hard on the seals but it works.
e85 is standard for high hp nowadays but fuck that israelite shit BLACK DIESEL FTW
The self lubricating part is nice.
BIG aspect of it and dont get my started on 2 stroke and my ding dings .... lube is good for muh
After mixing it with ethanol
Pure mechanical Diesels can run on old engine oil, transformer oil, and even rendered "animal" fat if it is kept hot
gas station
Fuckin wrecked
Steam powered generator. You dumb fat fuck.
sounds like a great way to make electricity to run my electric vehicle
>Steam powered generator
Steam power is not easy to make.
You're better off just scavenging the innumerable cars and houses for batteries and electric motors, and building a small hydro generator on a river.
>steam power is not easy to make
OK, tell me why
Because getting the kind of power output you're going to want out of one requires elaborate design and extreme temperatures and pressures. Boiler explosions are absolutely catastrophic even at mid efficiency designs. The most exotic high efficiency designs may as well be a nuclear reactor. You're never going to built one let alone maintain it well enough to keep it from killing you and everyone you know when it goes. Not to mention the exotic designs maintain thermal input consistency through petrochemical fuel burners, not wood or coal fuel.
I love steam engines in all their forms but the only way you can think steam is a viable alternative for power generation and delivery is if you don't know much about it. They're a neat curiosity, nothing else now.
> steam is a viable alternative for power generation and delivery is if you don't know much about it.
You may want to reword, because nearly 90% of all power generation is just steam power with different ways to generate the steam.
Every nuclear, coal, and natural gas plant is just a steam engine, pressure vessels and all, with differing methods to heat the transfer liquid past phase-change.
I suppose I could have been even more clear. I'm speaking of transmitting energy and doing work in a post collapse environment where you don't have hundreds of highly trained experienced technicians keeping shit humming. Like I also said nuclear is a great way to generate power but if you think you're going to be able to keep a reactor operating with jim bob and jeff next door you're delusional.
You know that farmers fix and maintain their shit all the time? They already have the requisite woodworking, mechanics, machining, electronics, etc., skills needed to build and maintain a small microgrid. Electric motors and generators are actually really fucking simple to build and maintain.
>You know that farmers fix and maintain their shit all the time?
yes, I am a JB Weld Kung Fu Master myself.
>Electric motors and generators are actually really fucking simple to build and maintain.
That's what I'm saying. Things like waterwheel powered generators are far safer and easier to deal with than the steam engines. Everyone likes to point to bleeding edge exotic level steam engine designs to get their efficiency and power output figures from then imply that those figures also apply to the simple steam setups a farmer/homesteader could build or maintain. Steam engines that aren't a goddamn bomb waiting to go off are going to have efficiencies and outputs that will have you quickly moving onto other methods of power collection and transmission.
I don't need peak steam engineering to make a battery charger, that's all I want steam for
>a battery charger
If that's all you need, then just attach an electric motor to a stationary bicycle.
If you need more, see (
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I'd have multiple sources of electricity production yeah, but you need to at least have some type of steam powered electricity producer
have you ran wood gas yet ?
I have not, I want to build one. Seems real neat
im on my second first worked but i had alot to refine and rework but it's a must do if you own land and have trees to feed the damn thing . i copied a fema design but its very midd grade and can run a few hours if you poke it (4k harbor freight gen + propane tank fema design )
That's awesome
i came across this in my adventures of fuck them, seems legit have yet to try one BUT , he sells used/refurbs too half off/ almost bought one but decided to DIY
https://www.thriveoffgrid.net/
how do you retards propose you're going to achieve and control the steam pressure required to run a turbine?
steam power is awesome, but fuck me i guarantee youre not a boilermaker, and wouldnt understand even how to supply water to a vessel under that kind of pressure
I have pulled the alternator out of the past couple of cars I scrapped for this reason. Bicycle, wind, water, or steam. You can rig up anything, salvage car batteries and hook up an inverter- you got power my friend.
>OK, tell me why
Go to a museum and look at the steam engines and tractors and shit. You really think you a few dudes at the fall of civilization can fabricate that much steel? Do you have the engineering and metallurgy to put together a container that can hold super high-pressure steam without exploding?
It's not going to happen. Your best chance is scavenging a pre-existing steam engine tractor or something and learning to operate that.
If civilization falls, you will be surrounded by millions of batteries and electric motors. Use that. Why the hell would you try to re-create a steam engine in this situation.
>where are you going to get your gas when the refineries shut down genius?
Ethanol, wood gas? come on do you belive that combustion engines only work with gasoline
This is a wood gasification system
This shit will power most kinds of internal combustion engines. Including cars.
I wonder what that cost to build. That one is nice. Lots of stainless.
That is awesome
How come the genrator runs on wood gas? Doesnt it need gasoline? Sorry, if I missed that.
Where are you going to find wood pellets in the apocalypse you dipshit.
Chop down a tree and put it in?
That’s not as efficient and won’t produce enough gas volume.
He says it but he doesn’t show it. 99% of these videos are made by lying grifters. Don’t be so trusting.
Then give it to me and I’ll make pellets?
for gasifier you need a chipper and pellet machine or you'll be making coal in a drum to crack the tars at correct temp then filter under heat //// science
wood gas never gets more than 80% of the efficiency of the gas we use now.
however, it's very reliable and very easy to get materials for. it was used alot in WWII in the civilian market as regular gas was being sent to the warzone.
> Don’t be so trusting.
don't be such a cunt without doing your homework. the US govt put out pamphlets on how to make wood gassifiers as late as the 1950's.
just because you haven't heard of something before doesn't mean that thing isn't possible, homosexual.
He says in the video you can use any organic material even horse manure
you retard trees grow, plants grow, ill fuel my car from grass , dead israelites fuck anything organic that lived on this earth contain the energy to fuel my VW
the only reason people dont make their own fuels is because the ATF and the federal government is the enemy of the people
True
Where are you going to get a stack of replacement batteries every 10 years, sir isaac pooten
Pretty much all batteries are two plates of metal with an electrolyte in the middle. Lead.sulfuric acid is the easiest to manufacture with no tooling (to the point random mudslimes in the middle east managed it before israelites were created), but there's already a few billion tonnes of lithium around that's dug up, and it's not too difficult to produce half-decent electrolytes that can handle Li+ transference. You did take chem II+ right, anon? You weren't a half-wit that got filtered by basic chem, right anon? Chemistry is the most basic science that can directly used in real-world applications with minimal tools.
>Where are you going to get a stack of replacement batteries every 10 years
There's batteries literally everywhere
We're talking about a civilizational collapses, not a Minecraft start. There will be electric and mechanical resources everywhere to use.
If you can fight for them.
Cannabis. Henry Ford made a car entirely out of hemp and it ran on hemp fuel. only the tires were rubber but he also had plans on hemp tires. israelites got to him after the Dearborn Chronicle thing.
Imagine the smell
>yes I'll take the Skunk #1 model please
it's no bullshit Ford had a hempmobile.
while im a HUGE ford fan your wrong the body was made from hemp just like lotus did and TESLA copied it make the tesla roadster ...... I'm tired of misinform but LOVE the effort.
here is a lotus elise made from hemp based on fords patents, elon copied it from carbon fiber and then sent to space to mock them and you including US.
hardy har har its a green car and i made it greener then sent the old one to space you'll never get this, ford WHO ?
Ford’s 1941 bioplastic Model T was made of hemp, flax, wheat, and spruce pulp, which made the car lighter than fiberglass and ten times tougher than steel, wrote the New York Times on February 2, 1941. The car ran on ethanol made from hemp or other agricultural waste. Ford’s experimental model was deemed a step toward the realization of his dream to “grow automobiles from soil,” wrote Popular Mechanics in their December 1941 issue and reduce greenhouse gases—already known to occur by then.
YES TY FOR INFO
I meant the frame motor ect was steel conventional methods of manufacture 🙂 you get it though some might not
I Yabba-Dabba Do!
I will retrofit my truck with a wood stove for fuel
You can drive a thousand kilometres while electric cuck dies in disaster zone
>where are you going to get your gas when the refineries shut down genius?
The absolute state of lowcaps liberal citytards
With bubba here, a pump jack, and a Nigerian illegal refinery setup
>git gud
Wood gas
Solar panels will last longer than gasoline. Most of them getting made now have 25 yr warranty.
Thank you!, Solar Panel Salesman!
Who's going to service your warranty claim post apocalypse?
>Who's going to service your warranty claim post apocalypse?
Are you retarded? He's talking about the service life of solar panels, which work great up to wherever the accountants decide the warranty should stop, which is 25 years. Have a few panels in storage and you'll have a lifetime of solar power.
Obvious greta thurnberg is obvious
Where are you going to get your gas from during an apocalypse?
At least with electric, you can have your own solar panels.
Frack your backyard pussy
Hahahah
gasoline goes bad after 2 years
No it does not. You get filtered by buying wrong gas, storing it wrong, and not knowing how to separate water out.
you'll be better off with a bicycle.
What are you going to do for tires?
Make them out of Hemp.
Comrade
The Antichrist is right. A bicycle can keep running for a very long time with little upkeep and requires no more fuel than whatever food you eat.
Although really the most off-grid, apocalypse-proof form of transit is the humble horse.
>Fueled by regular crops
>Doesn't need replacement parts
>Can manufacture more of themselves
>All-terrain
It is a bad idea just buy a shitload of diesel and use that.
Just put solar cells on the roof
>It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
As opposed to what, a gasoline vehicle?
If we're talking about a civilizational apocalypse, electricity is probably preferrable to gasoline because it is easier to create an electric solar or hydro generator from the mechanical scraps of a dead civilization than it is to create the gasoline production chain. Any washing machine could be converted into a crude hydro generator to power electric vehicles.
A horse is obviously better than electric or gasoline though.
>create the gasoline production chain
wood gassifier.
you make your own gas.
you're not gonna make a solar panel from scratch.
you can make a solar panel from scratch.
You're missing my point. You don't need to make anything, solar panels nor gassifiers.
All cars have alternators and batteries inside them. There will be millions of cars everywhere. The alternator is already perfectly paired with the 12V battery, no need to do any complex electronics or computer work. All you need to do is spin the alternator, by wind or water, and you have electric energy.
fair point.
Do they make 100% electric cars yet? Don't they still need gas?
fully electric cars have been around since the early 1900s
do you really not know this bro? really?
Yes I've literally never once thought about electric cars.
This board is full of retarded old people
your not wrong but I'm also right ill fuel my engines for free without israelites or naggers or oil from the ground, because I do and have been for years. LEARN TO BLACK DIESEL homosexualS
BEHOLD THE ONIONS TRUCK
The stainless steel and lack of lots of moving parts is a pretty decent selling point.
Yeah because refining your oil that's pumped from the soil is a whole lot easier than setting up solar panels on your off grid house that charges your Tesla from the sun everyday.
>ALMOST LIKE THAT WAS DELIBERATE.
If it has a computer it won't work
Guys if your not rolling steam then you're doomed.
I went to a steam tractor show in September and had the exact thought. Those things have massive power and thick steel, but they go slow enough where you have to be well armed for the raiders and rape gangs coming for your tractor and your butt.
Not beings being a real American and building a steam killdozer.
been to Granby, CO, that story is epic
they're slow because of gearing that trades speed for torque. you can make a steam car that goes as fast as a gas car. people used to hot rod stanley steamers and they could go 120+ mph
it's not meant to be an apocalypse vehicle, retard
You can setup a bicycle with a dynamo abd charge the battery by peddling for a few days.
You cannot aqcuire oil in such individual manner.
Also a mini wind turbine or a mini hydro plant can be created. Even makeshift stuff by scavanging parts.
Problem is the lithum battery thats like 800kg heavy and will lose capacity in like 10 years.
the average EV driver won't be able to cobble that shit together, these vehicles use hi-voltage to charge and have lots of interlocks prevent dumb asses from getting electrocuted. EV's are the iPhone of cars, when they break, just throw them away because it's more expensive to repair than to buy a new one.
Chinese make a 3 wheel electric motorbike for factory usage. Like driving around factories, when you work in a 10Km wode complex.
Similar to golf carts, but sturdier.
Small 2KW engine and a small battery.
Its slow, weak, small but its perfect for the apocalypse.
An EV mule.
This. Thank God horses will outlive oil.
>dude just wastefully turn your food into electricity
lol
Aqcuiring oil could be more energy intensive for you, or even suicidal.
Whom do you imagine will be near the refineries and oil wells?
Pacifist budhist monks waitibg for you with flowers and candy?
>muh oil
ah yes the israelite shows itself
Its called alcohol, runs at 70% of octane
Can be readily made as methanol as well for even less conflict
>but muh p[ost apoc
Will never get to your desires of being a harem bitch for some chad with leukemia and a cock that makes cauliflower look like its from flat land
Were gonna simply reach regional collapse situations and a gentle decline into nomads again as the capitalists ideals fade and we return to mobile farmers
>just farm 10 times more corn to feed the tractor and your car and generator
Fertile land and corn crops will also be a premium target.
Just as hydroplants and nuclear powerplabs and such current infrastructure that survives. .
>muh corn
lol
potatoes work better for actual use, corn is just more subsidies to red states thanks to Bush
Hell, fucking grass converts better, but using switch grass means the certainty that the boomer fescue lawn would turn into something pleasing and useful
Growing anything, even potatoes and then relying on that crop to be turned into fuel for your machinery has lots of points of failure.
It would be a hard setup now, let alone in a post apocalyptic situation.
>lets make vodka from 5 tonnes of potatos so we can fuel the tractor
Yep
Youre getting why the desperate need to have muh apocalypse is as fruitful as your cut off dick at sewing seed
Sweet sorghum. The sugars don't need to be converted like with potatoes, just press them and immediately add yeast. You can get two crops a year. Potatoes and corn are dogshit compared to sorghum for ethanol production. It will grow nearly anywhere.
you could gasify your organic waste, yes
Itd be better to burn the wood straight
Gasifiers are for making a more energy dense solution, but if you need that, then youre already post post apocalypse and not having issues with acquiring resources
Its why I laugh at the preppers
You spend all this time hoping to shoot someone, and the reality will be any of the many tour sites of the US military
Or
Some dude stabbing a shovel in front of your bugout door and then showing why Indians are so filthy into your air holes
Fuel oils are pretty easy to make.
https://dudadiesel.com/
The HMMWV can burn pretty much anything you put into it for example.
That shit is ugly as fuck. It looks like a kid's drawing.
I think he'll release an v8 version w/in a year
What you really want is something that can run on e85. Ethanol is very easy to produce and you can trade off any of the corn you don't use.
I can’t believe they shipped it without a solar panel. Fucking retarded
Depends if they have the Tesla antenna add on completed.
you need a wood gasifier
Considering the sun is going to go crazy and cause EMPs..yeah no.
Not sure why I didn’t realize until the other day how much it looks like a DeLorean. I wonder if it is angular because of the limited plasticity of stainless steel.
"ON TURD" license plate?
Yah. Must be “turo”
I like turd better
turd is funny
When you want a custom plate but all of the good combinations of letters are taken
Electricity is much more stable than gas. Oil supplies are cut off often in times of conflict. Electricity can be generated countless ways. Burn wood, use solar panels, wind, water turbines, endless shit. Only retards (you) think electricity just goes away.
I can generate electricity
I can't source crude or make gas and gas has a 6 month shelf life
Wood powered gas is whatchu want.
hey, right, that makes sense
>It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
Yeah, but not for the reason you think. Generating electricity off the grid is easier than making your own fuel; but those batteries will wear out after about ten years then its a brick.
Making batteries actually isn't too bad, and there's no reason you can't gerry-rig a Pb/HSO4 battery pretty easily in a post-apoc scenario and hook it up. You'd be dropping max speed for nearly infinite batteries.
Also if LiS solid states prove to be useful, they're actually easier to produce than LiPo, especially with primitive tooling.
Also, with electric drive trains, you just need to generate the electricity. Put a steam generator in the bed and you have infinite electricity (assuming you can manage the water/fuel ratio throughout use.)
the high powered pedal-assist electric bike is the king of post apocalyptic transportation
agreed... been riding off road fat tire pedal assist bike exclusively for 4 years, well over 12000 miles now, no license, insurance, registration... literally goes anywhere ... not trying to save the world,
(human climate change is fabricated and homosexual), know it runs on coal in the end, and batteries are created through the efforts of armless Nigerian orphans mining lithium and cobalt.... but its not only so fun, apparently I'm training for the apocalypse ...
Building an Apocolypse vehicle with wheels is a bad idea. It needs tracks. The roads will be unusable
Dirt bike
Where we're going, we won't need roads.
I think its all a trick by the oil companies
it was always going to be a dud
so you stick with your petrol based stuff for another 100 years
just like they did in the early 1900s when elec cars were floated as viable
Im a truck driver (owner/operator) and the amount of fear mongering about elec trucks replacing diesels ones was nothing short of terrorism.
Without some sort of rapidly swappable battery pack OTR trucking doesn't make sense for electric. They're doing hydrogen now in Northern BC because there's tons of it as a byproduct from natural gas production.
I dunno you want a quiet vehicle to sneak up on the grass eating liberal homosexuals. You just need a generator. Stealth is key to being a bandit
would do if she let me smear diesel soot on her
I work with propane delivery and youd think since were working with the stuff we should try to power the work truck with it... because propane cant produce the power diesel can they gave up on it.
something about the millenial need to re invent the wheel I guess
Like heck im slowing down to do battery
changes lawl
Still see the occasional LPG trucks around. Was more common 10, 20 years ago.
>NEW THING BAD
>OLD THING GOOD
>IM SMORT
KYS nostalgiatard, vroom vroom sounds will never bring back the future you handed over to the israelites.
Pretty sure it's easier to generate electricity in an apocalyptic scenario than petroleum distillates. So I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
Kek
If that thing ran on diesel it would be a preddy cool vehicle
Maybe, maybe not. There are less moving parts, so it might be easier to maintain if you are in a truly remote area and cannot raid parts from similar vehicles.
If you have a small micro grid, like say some combination of wind and solar generation at your homestead. Electricity might be easier to generate yourself than trying to maintain a supply of gasoline.
looks preddy cool
Elon on jre said this thing has the highest clearance on the market. The muh "Äxles" hang lower than the chassis on a F-250. and therefore will get snagged easier than my robocar. I don't buy it.
elon is the howard hughes of our time.
a figurehead for western innovation
a cia plant
the cybertruck will be his spruce goose lawl
Doesn't look like it would be targeting the F250 market (hauling lots of weight in a trailer).
You can distil plastic to create liquid diesel and propane gas.
This is how most of the world gets their fuel, though often they
add in other chemicals to make the process easier. You'll have
to distill the liquid multiple times to get good diesel, the first batch
will be waxy. You can fuel the entire chain with propane gas, which
is a byproduct of the distillation process.
This is commonly done all over the world by uneducated farmers,
sailors, and people from deeply impoverished countries.
Vietnam farmers in particular have really impressive methods.
>would be a bad idea.
Why? An electric vehicle can be charged from off-grid solar and wind. A gasoline vehicle is reliant on a continuous supply of gas from the vast, international drilling/refining/shipping infrastructure.
Both will eventually stop working for lack of repairs or simple age of all the relevant parts, but an EV + solar/wind is going to last you a lot longer than any gas vehicle.
electricity is easier to make than gas in such conditions
your wrong, there is enough plastics from naggers to make diesel at home for decades, I don't even need those naggers after I use their fuel ill switch to plant based, yea its not sustainable for naggers just me homosexual it doesnt make money or sense or cents israelite israelite its free for me not you or naggers
yea that's why I drive what the man himself would approve of and only use the lords fuel. you see that smile ? He already seen this coming ....
>It seems like building a apocalypse vehicle that runs on electricity would be a bad idea.
wait till you hear about a "hyperloop" in an active seismic zone
I don't like the fact that it's a tank.
Expect people to start playing street hockey with these things.
Did they ever figure out how to make the glass shatter resistant?
simple as, your not a homosexual if you own one if these
not if you put the solar panels and a windmill
ON THE CAR
problem solved.
>just pull a diesel generator trailer to charge your tesla, or better yet stick it under the hood
oh wait ....
my dad had a watch that would wind itself just by the motion of you moving your arm around all day.
just make the fucking cars like that for pete's sake it's the 21st century we were supposed to all have 360 jet packs and flying cars by now.
id like to compete with tesel with fords vision bring us the car for man , basic chassis pick your powertrain , we provide it type deal
Hydro damns should continue spinning and would be sophisticated enough for survivors to use
if it was really important to try alt fuels
they would have tried harder with natural gas or propane.
would have been cheaper then electric and sourced on our soil.
but thye didnt as diesel and gasoline are the best fuel source and less risk
That looks like a McDonalds happy meal toy.
im a woodgas fan, m'self.
yeah.
everything is fake and gay and the potential for a mass die off is ramping up huge.
I saw one of these in person recently, and it was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. The front windshield is a joke, and because of the angle it blinds oncoming traffic. These are going to lose that Nazi Musk tens of millions, and I’m here for it.
> and because of the angle it blinds oncoming traffic
Explain? That said this could be fixed with an anti-reflective coating in one of the layers.
It's called legs and bipedal locomotion is a gift from God
Shoeleather Express
Bootstrap Bitcoin
Kinda like bitcoin too
If you want a vehicle for the apocalypse just get a bicycle you fat fucks. You aren't going to survive the apocalypse if you aren't capable of walking a minimum of 10 miles a day. Also the trick is to not be dependent of vehicles in the first place. It's like having to depend on insulin to continue existing when it would have been better to not get the beetus in the first place.
you will also want a good hat for out on the trail.
I know how to build various rudimentary electric generators. I don't know how to drill for and refine petroleum.
You can make grain alcohol and then use that on your car (30% more fuel needed)
You can melt old tires down into fuel as well
Why? Solar is literally 0 marginal cost.
You can drive a thousand kilometres with gasoline while electric cuck dies in disaster zone
I still think electricity is useful. I intend to steal my neighbors solar panels when the apocalypse comes. Otherwise I won't be able to watch my moe
The info is available all it take is you to apply it to your life, god speed anons, may the knowledge bear your light and fend off the burden, repeat after me, NOT MY PROBLEM I WILL SURVIVE, they can never take that from you or me or US
Solar and water . I swear to god there's footage on YouTube you can listen to the guy that came up with the Angela ran on water and his last minute he's like they poisoned me they poisoned me And it was a day before he was supposed to meet the car like Mafia
It should run on bitcoin.
https://4techmix.com/2023/11/06/search-for-lost-bitcoin-continues-for-british-man/
It's simple as, YOU WILL NOT TAKE WHAT THY HAVE LEARNT
Just get solar panels.
Not when you consider petrol is only good a few years
You can drive a thousand kilometres with gasoline while electric cuck dies in disaster zone
And then what are you gonna do after you drive a thousand kilometres? Walk?
That thousand kilometres won the battle while electric cripples got massacred waiting for charge
Okay, dude. Hop into your get away car and ride into the sunset like you're living in a Hollywood movie. I'm sure you'll have the time of your life before you inevitably starve to death.
Electric doesn't work, it makes you very vulnerable
>My gas vehicle is going to be full when the SHTF
>The EV is going to be empty when SHTF
It's probably the other way around. EVs get charged every day pretty much, most people fill their gas once a week, maybe less with an efficient vehicle.
>NOT ME I KEEP IT FULL ALL THE TIME
But why make it harder on yourself? Just have a vehicle that you'll be prompted to fill every day. If the range has three digits in the number it's fine to get you out of the city.
Most of /misc/'s resistance to EVs is ideological. They connect these vehicles with Silicon Valley jerks and Klaus Schwab, while they connect gasoline vehicles with Americana. It's tribal. But both are just tools. An AR in your hands has different meaning from an AR in the hands of a UN blue helmet, right? Even though you're both using the same tech?
We live next to Russia, in conflict they target local power, only gasoline and diesel will operate
If there's a war, they'll target all infrastructure, they are not going to leave your power plants alone just because they burn coal or oil.
You're clueless, look what's going on in Ukraine, electric means death by torture
You're actually a retard, and one of the NPC's I was talking about earlier.
You say words but all that comes out is stupid.
Tactical mobility is king, electric cripples get overrun by enemy, raped and tortured to death
Precisely. If you don't possess it, you can't count on it. Whatever methods you're planning on using have to be on your land ready to go right now. And what worries me about gas/diesel is how quickly it's going to run out.
>Most of /misc/'s resistance to EVs is ideological.
It's NPC's, mostly facebook boomers but there's a lot of millenial and zoomer wannabe boomers too.
They're all universally NPC's; everything is just red team blue team to these retards
I dont keep it full I just keep jerry cans fully stocked in my shed for other machinery. Should take about 4 minutes to fully gas up the car and maybe 10 to pack up enough fuel to go 2k km
If you want a good vehicle to cover long distances - not necessarily bad conditions- get a golf cart. You can fit enough solar on its roof to charge and use it every day.
You don’t need some fucking 1000amp battery to run your 4000 pound $90,000 car. That battery could run your entire house for day.
Get a 3000 watt 800ah off grid tiny home kit from renogy or someone for $3000 it’ll run your entire house, for up to 6-8 days without sun. you can charge your golf cart with it too.
I work on a ranchero seasonally and prefer to use my hatchback .. a lot of people hitch rides on the turnpike .. but that’s not happening and nobody in town is getting food if we dont have electricity or fuel.
Do they make any motorcycles that can run on alcohol? The shelf life of liquor is pretty long, and you could distill cheap, vodka into something stronger pretty easily…
I've looked for motorcycles that run on diesel and they're basically nonexistent. Some exist, mainly military ones from what I can tell, good luck getting one thought. I'd imagine alcohol would be even rarer.
>Battery gets wet from a puddle during rain storm or you need to drive through a flooded area to escape
>Electric shitbox stops working
Many such cases of these Tesla fags getting their cars totaled
plus once the connection gets a little loose you'll have to shake the car like a flashlight and tap it on the bumper to get it going again.
NO FURTHER ARGUEMENTS
I mean besides the obvious disadvantages of having a battery powered car, electricity will likely be easier to source after an apocalypse than gasoline. Got a creek in your back yard? Throw a waterwheel and a generator on it, bam free electricity.
>wanting to be alive during or after an apocalypse
have fun retards
my very cells that combine me into a whole as an organism tell me to destroy, to win at all cost, no rabbi or false profit believing homosexual will distract me from the truth and the coming of the end, prove me otherwise or they will meet their end just have other have through history/ I'm ready for the worst and I'm not scared rabbi, im prepared .
you can't roll coal at the bus stop or on the bicycle fags in an ev
electric cars are for faggets, queers and retards.
Wood gas naggers
you'd have Eskimos chasing you around trying to siphon your fuel and drink it. especially once we all are refugees in Canada, which is unironically going to be the last bastion of White Freedom.
It will actually be a good Lunar/Mars vehicle.
Musk will never make it there
In a total collapse situation you'd be better off getting some horses, anon.
>Electric car
fucking kek
>ICE
No more fuel will be produced, and the fuel that exists will be virtually varnish in a few months
>Diesel
You can make it, but it wouldn't be practical, I don't think.
>Hydrogen
good luck
>Air power
Build a trompe, i've no fucking idea. Trompe is a technology the israelites don't want you to know about.
A mule is actually the best. Was very popular in the past
For transport?
>In the early twentieth century the mule was preferred to the horse as a pack animal – its skin is harder and less sensitive than that of a horse, and it is better able to bear heavy weights
>The mule inherits from the donkey the traits of intelligence, sure-footedness, toughness, endurance, disposition, and natural cautiousness. From the horse it inherits speed, conformation, and agility.
>Mules are generally taller at the shoulder than donkeys and have better endurance than horses, although a lower top speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule
Yeah except you can't breed them. You need horses and donkeys.
I"d want a camel and an emu.
that must be cool, too
it is cool because I'm a cool guy. I'd ride around on the camel and the emu would follow us like in the Mad Max movies. if people asked me if the emu did any tricks I would say yes he bites.
works for me
Imagine if it had a solar roof...
look you homosexuals it's actually over if you don't wake up. If you don't learn willing you'll be ash and IM NOT going to lift your dead weight neither will anyone else. drop a post to save us or your worse then the homosexuals trying to end us
What, you think gasoline is gonna stick around for very long if there was a worldwide collapse in supply chains? Gasoline has a shelf like of about 6 months. Diesel lasts about 2 years when treated, about a year untreated.
Liquid fuel is only option to ensure tactical mobility
lets examine this photo/image/event knowing what we all have discussed. what did he mean by this ?
Buy a horse. Not only does it run off grass and water but you can eat them, if necessary at some point.
what hemp car ? shit is carbon fiber battery power in space GOY. forget your ford and all the shit tesla was robbed of and wood gas that is forbidden of the goyim to study
/thread he wasn't completely wrong and we know the truth
Looks like every little shit's pathetic attempt at drawing a Halo Warthog.