It really was impossible to defend Singapore.
>cut off from resupply and reinforcement
>zero mobility because enemy has air supremacy and naval supremacy
>enemy has tanks you don't
>1 regular division and a bunch of conscripts who were pushing rickshaws the day before
>no water supply
People like to point to manpower advantage and whatnot but there was really no way to defend Singapore.
It really was impossible to defend Singapore. >cut off from resupply and reinforcement
It really was impossible to defend Singapore.
Singapore is entirely dependent on Malaysia and Indonesia for food. They hardly have any agriculture of their own.
If there's a dispute with their neighbors, they'll be cut off from shipping and rail as well.
>If there's a dispute with their neighbors, they'll be cut off from shipping and rail as well.
Idk to some extent it feels like an Israel situation where even though Singapore seems like it wouldn't be able to take Indonesia or Malaysia in a war, maybe it can.
>12 F-35s on order
>The Indonesian Air Force has 37,850 personnel and equipped with 110 combat aircraft. The inventory includes five Su-27 and eleven Su-30 as the main fighters (from Russia) supplemented by 33 F-16 Fighting Falcons (from the United States), Hawk 200, KAI T-50 and Embraer EMB314.
>The Indonesian Air Force intends to purchase 50 KF-X as a replacement for the already-aging US Northrop F-5 Tiger light fighters in its inventory In February 2021, Indonesian Air Force intends to purchase 36 Rafale and 8 F-15EX, along with C-130J and Medium-altitude long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicle. By February 2022, Indonesian Air Force orders for 42 Rafale has been signed and a possible Foreign Military Sales of 36 F-15ID has been published by the DSCA
Malaysia has even less. 8 F-18s, 18 Su-30s, and 12 BAE Hawks
>Idk to some extent it feels like an Israel situation where even though Singapore seems like it wouldn't be able to take Indonesia or Malaysia in a war, maybe it can.
Not this shit again. Israel has agriculture and produces its own food, Singapore doesn't!
Israel has allies nearby and has always had enough space for sea passage. Singapore's allies are Malaysia and Indonesia, and if they weren't then Singapore would cease to exist without trade, maritime travel and food!
Singapore exists because Malaysia gave them independence, unlike Israel which was created by military force.
Singapore literally produces Malaysia's drink water.
Singapore's drinking water primarily came from reservoirs north of the city, and all efforts to retake those reservoirs from the Japanese failed. That's endgame, especially when Percival has over a million civilians in the city that he also has to worry about.
I wouldn't call any of the men fighting there cowards. They did their duty, but multiple mistakes were made at the operational level. The British were not able to concentrate their forces effectively, which lead to units being routed as the Japanese ran over each one in succession. The 11th Indian and 8th Australian divisions both had their moments where they stymied the Japanese advance for a short time, only for the Japanese to regroup and outflank them and continue their march southward. The Japanese also attrited the UK's airpower in the early days of the campaign, and their quickly advancing armies forced the squadrons in Malaya to hastily abandon their airfields.
wasn't all that hard in hearts of iron against human players, just had to know years beforehand it was going to happen, build fortifications further north, raise a whole army to man them
The Britidh defense was hilariously inept. Fortress Singapore should never have fallen.
How though? Fortresses became outdated with gunfire, let alone air power.
airfields can be created and enemy naval taskforces can be challenged
Cool your autism a bit and read the "fortress" bit more figuratively.
IF Singapore is ever threatened in that way (it won't) their strategy is to take and hold southern Malaysia
Then the Americans and Australians come in and kick ass
Was all of the Malayan defence force, and it's actually 1 proper division, 2 divisions of recruits, and 1 brigade of Australians, the latter three formations missing most of their heavy weapons
>Islands are inherently defensible. Cities even moreso
You have no idea what Singapore terrain looked like in 1941, so shut the fuck up
>a bluff worked
>YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE FALLEN FOR THE BLUFF
never play poker
Or in fact, please do, but when I'm there
>You have no idea what Singapore terrain looked like in 1941, so shut the fuck up
Actually I do, they're called topographical maps, even with your blatantly obvious subnormal intelligence you should be able to interpret shapes and colors. Also Yamashita did, and when the guy whose leading the invasion is utterly bewildered as to how he won in eight fucking days with a 1-3 numerical disadvantage against an entrenched urban position, it's usually not a good sign. The British suffered humiliating defeat after humiliating defeat in the Pacific theater despite consistent advantages in both men AND materiel. You can whine and make excuses but we both know that the largest component of this was poor planning, poor discipline, and bad tactics. You fucking limey cocksuckers have been making excuses since the day it happened, publishing entire defense memos trying to blame it on the Aussies and Indians from day one.
>Force Z, consisting of the battleship HMS Prince of Wales, the battlecruiser HMS Repulse and four destroyers, sailed north out of Singapore on 8 December to oppose expected Japanese landings along the coast of Malaya. Japanese land-based aircraft found and sank the two capital ships on 10 December, leaving the east coast of the Malayan Peninsula exposed and allowing the Japanese to continue their amphibious landings. Japanese forces quickly isolated, surrounded and forced the surrender of Indian units defending the coast.
I feel like the higher ups in London should have committed more to defense of singapore, in fleet units, air and ground
>but the attackers were outnumbered
if the defenders are not promised a relief force the enemies reinforcements get there first, then they are no longer outnumbered
They took it very seriously. The Prince of Wales as the King George class, the most powerful battleship class available to Britain. They didn't send any carriers because they expected land based aircraft to do the job.
a BB, BC and 4 x DD is basically a light picket
>>YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE FALLEN FOR THE BLUFF
Unironically yes. And even if they did, they shouldn't have been such cowards and rolled over so easily.
That's just cope
Bong colonists were simply godawful soldiers unlike the Indons who wanted independence and the Flips who wanted to prove to their burger overlords that they can murder Japs too
Indians, Malays, Burmese and the small contingent of proto-Chinkaporeans were all gangpressed into service for a colonizer and a war they didn't care about - they only did when their colonizer lost and the new sheriff in town started raping, pillaging and murdering locals with no regard
I think you don't have a realistic idea of just how few there were there. A few thousand with at most maybe 10,000, with most of them being women, children and the elderly. And we know how many were there at the time it fell because we know how many civilians were interned by the Japanese.
I get it, you want to shit on the bongs for easy (You)s, but you're so historically illiterate it's awkward to read.
The primary troops earmarked for the defense of Singapore were the Australian 8th Division, but they arrived too late to shake themselves out and get organised. The 9th and 11th Indian Divisions had had the shit kicked out of them in on the retreat. The 9th managed a decent fighting retreat down the coast but the 11th got cut off and destroyed at Slim River. The 18th Division arrived even more recently than the 8th Australian, they were literally marched off the boats to the front line.
On paper Singapore was perfectly capable of being held by 4 divisions, but none of those divisions was actually really ready to fight.
I admit I have a degree of interest in this. My Great Uncle was a rubber planter and was conscripted into the army in the last few weeks of the battle. He survived the next 3 and a half years in Japanese confinement and somehow survived, but the experience broke him. According to people in the family who know, he went out there a total chad and always had loads of girlfriends and came back a broken man whose health never recovered. He died in his early 50s, which isn't that uncommon with survivors of Changi Jail. And he hated the Japanese for the rest of his life, wasn't ever able to forgive them.
So yeah. Little history lesson. Doesn't really matter now, but maybe some anons are interested.
who asked the white colonialists of the Old World to be such poor fighters
cry me a river - you got beat by midgets on bicycles and carrying bolt action rifles
Midgets are the best and most efficient fighters retard lurk moar.
and your uncle deserved everything he got, for letting down the people he was supposed to protect, like Thin Gay Line
>A few thousand with at most maybe 10,000
How come did the nips have almost 40k bong army prisoners if that was the case?
t. Patrick Vaughan Heenan
>british fuck up
>claim they fucked up because they were in an impossible position
this is some serious revisionist history
Was the fall a fuck up? Yes
Was it inevitable anyway given zero chance of resupply? Yes
Bong cope, Singapore was a disaster, just admit it, British military history is good enough for a few fuck ups
>when Japan invaded the Philippines
Pinoys fought tooth and nail, refused to surrender to the Nips even after the Americans officially surrendered. Lasted the longest even with ROC losers and PLA fence sitters.
>when Japan invaded Indonesia
Indons fought tooth and nail, refused to surrender even if the Dutch blinked fast. Conducted gorilla warfare and even ferried kangaroos who unleashed hell in PNG.
>when Japan invaded Indochina
Lazy Malays and Singaporeans surrendered as British troops were mowed down in full retreat all the way to India. Their own theater wasn't interesting until Indians and gurkhas started murdering Japs far harder than US Marines in their island hopping campaigns.
>until Indians and gurkhas started murdering Japs far harder than US Marines in their island hopping campaigns.
SEAnig hands typed this post
Specifically Filipino hands
Nah, Indog troller for sure
The others cba to even be here
It's the Thaiposter
No, the impossibility was that Singapore fell in a week.
Islands are inherently defensible. Cities even moreso. You can make the argument that Singapore would have fallen eventually if there was a prolonged siege but that still doesn't explain the British army's failure to use their environment to their advantage and draw the battle out in prolonged urban combat.
>My attack on Singapore was a bluff—a bluff that worked. I had 30,000 men and was outnumbered more than three to one. I knew that if I had to fight for long for Singapore, I would be beaten. That is why the surrender had to be at once. I was very frightened all the time that the British would discover our numerical weakness and lack of supplies and force me into disastrous street fighting (General Yamashita)
Percival had been less cowardly, the city would not have fallen with such ease. Simple as.
You have to understand the context. Percival and much of the British top brass had grossly underestimated Japan, believing them to be everything from too tiny to fight properly to unable to cross jungles. The shock and awe from their speed as they tore through Malaya made them shit their pants.
>>no water supply
you see those 4 massive lakes in the middle?
I had a metal detector as a kid . Used to live between Kent Ridge and Alexandra Park. I found loads of Arisaka 7.7x58 bullets and 303s scattered in the ground and termite mounds. This was in the early 90s. It was a spooky area at night. Plenty of ghosts .
>tfw you lose an incredibly well fortified island with 90k troops against 35k attackers
>It really was impossible to defend Singapore.
No it wasn't.
if you have enough troops to defend the entire peninsula its easy enough to keep supplied from indian ocean which has multiple naval bases right nearby