Does it really though?to have what's in OPs pic, you are just shy of $1000 dollars (give or take within reason) and there's quite a few offerings for 9mm sub guns in that range or better.
Better suppressability (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
Physically smaller guns (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
Physically smaller magazines
Flux is smaller and more compact than an SMG. And you can have a based .357 sig or or 10mm setup that is the ideal backpack gun and greatly boosts the range and effectiveness of a regular handgun. If you want a larger sub gun then there is no reason to not have a suppressed .300blk rifle with a collapsible stock and an 8 inch barrel, which ends up being more compact, much more energetic, and still very quiet when compared with MP5 or other more modern smg's.
wot can u like switch between the magos or something
then woweee you get 2 different types of ammo to have at same time otherwise it’s 2 things to fuck around with on reload instead of just 1 magazine, which is annoying
looks kinda 90s in a bad way also
No, the B&T is far superior, in that configuration the 320 in knows for breaking ejectors, and you need to buy an aftermarket trigger component so it doesn't fire OOB
Wait for them to make the heavy version for the Xten. It's kind of a waste to buy the M17 zogbot LARP pistol and put all that meme shit on it unless you want a P320 with a safety for some reason. :^)
Is that someone who actually uses his guns AND is reasonable about boogshit? This mans logic and reason is obviously paid shilling and because I barely shoot I must hate him for being better than me.
-every sub low IQ PrepHoletard
I dont get the pdw chasis hype, you greatly increase size and weight for marginal stability benefits. Every one I've fired has had a terrible length of pull, nonexistent check weld, and wobbles.
Just get better with your pistol or carry an lw ar. I can hit a steel silhouette at 300 yards, I believe that you probably can too.
Yeah, that's a pretty neat gimmick >grab front mag with left hand >push catch with thumb >remove mag >rear mag has already fallen free >insert mag
It's a neat system, but of course the problem is your right hand is sitting right there on the pistol grip doing nothing the whole time, so you could just as easily have pushed the rear mag catch with your right thumb at any point during the process.
slide mounted dots are a toss up as to whether they live past like 5k rounds fired.
Electronics weren't really meant to sustain that many Gs for so many repetitions.
I'm waiting for something like the Laugo alien style of weapon with fixed top uppers but moving sides to become more common.
Yeh, i like the original better too, i don't think they even make it anymore though. i just kinda think the raider is bulky and ugly as shit, but the old one is kinda flawed in that i believe you can cause malfunctions by holding the 'not a grip' too hard, and most people hate the 'not a stock' (not that the new one is much better)
As a class of weapon they're in the "overpriced toy" category. I could maybe see an argument to be made for a bedside gun if you've got reason to not want a rifle or shotgun.
Nice to have some sort of chassis thing in the range kit for shits and goggles though.
I was thinking of buying a second cheap P320 just for the FCU so I could get one of these
But all together with an optic and light is like $1500
I feel like I could get a better can for that price
>we've made the perfect solution for a PDW, using an existing pistol "platform" >limited run! random drops! exclusively sent out to instafag influencers!
>two magazines
what form of power is this
can't call it a vfg
If that’s actually how it works, that’s really clever.
>you see Ivan, when using two mags you fire two bullet, since back bullet pushes front bullet
looks like a sort of ingenious mag holder that works as a grip
Actually never the fuck mind, how would you even comfortably hold that?
Super fast reloads
really comfortable to hold, Was at a gunshow where a guy has a similar product and the angled magazine holder is actually pretty comfy.
Just buy an SMG
Pros :
- doesn't look gay
- better in every single way
Cons :
- tad more vbucks
Does it really though?to have what's in OPs pic, you are just shy of $1000 dollars (give or take within reason) and there's quite a few offerings for 9mm sub guns in that range or better.
No point in buying a smg when its just semi-auto anyways
Fun and cheap and quiet, but yes
Better suppressability (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
Physically smaller guns (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
Physically smaller magazines
a semi auto submachine gun isn't a submachine gun, anon. its just a sub.
Flux is smaller and more compact than an SMG. And you can have a based .357 sig or or 10mm setup that is the ideal backpack gun and greatly boosts the range and effectiveness of a regular handgun. If you want a larger sub gun then there is no reason to not have a suppressed .300blk rifle with a collapsible stock and an 8 inch barrel, which ends up being more compact, much more energetic, and still very quiet when compared with MP5 or other more modern smg's.
>- doesn't look gay
wrong
wot can u like switch between the magos or something
then woweee you get 2 different types of ammo to have at same time otherwise it’s 2 things to fuck around with on reload instead of just 1 magazine, which is annoying
looks kinda 90s in a bad way also
You are trolling right?
Wit da switch
Want one for a shoulder dangle kinda rig
No, the B&T is far superior, in that configuration the 320 in knows for breaking ejectors, and you need to buy an aftermarket trigger component so it doesn't fire OOB
micro PP energy
Wait for them to make the heavy version for the Xten. It's kind of a waste to buy the M17 zogbot LARP pistol and put all that meme shit on it unless you want a P320 with a safety for some reason. :^)
This dude did a good break down of the value the Flux offers.
Is that someone who actually uses his guns AND is reasonable about boogshit? This mans logic and reason is obviously paid shilling and because I barely shoot I must hate him for being better than me.
-every sub low IQ PrepHoletard
kys brassfags
No Rolando,
no one cares that you spent your paycheck on some stupid Sig trash mod.
I think the B&T TP9 fills the same (so small its almost nonexistent) role better.
I dont get the pdw chasis hype, you greatly increase size and weight for marginal stability benefits. Every one I've fired has had a terrible length of pull, nonexistent check weld, and wobbles.
Just get better with your pistol or carry an lw ar. I can hit a steel silhouette at 300 yards, I believe that you probably can too.
Man I can't even SEE a steel silhouette at 300 yards without magnification
Why is everyone obsessed with the raider when the glock kit is way smaller and lighter?
320 FCU system allows the sight to be mounted more securely, keep zero better, not flex as much, etc by replacing the lower completely.
Yeah thats cool and all but slide mounted dots have worked just fine for decades.
also has a cool magazine change mechanic, where you can either drop a single mag or both at the same time to go fast
That's pretty neat! But you can do that with the flashmag by just grabbing the spare.
Yeah, that's a pretty neat gimmick
>grab front mag with left hand
>push catch with thumb
>remove mag
>rear mag has already fallen free
>insert mag
It's a neat system, but of course the problem is your right hand is sitting right there on the pistol grip doing nothing the whole time, so you could just as easily have pushed the rear mag catch with your right thumb at any point during the process.
No, they've been workable and better than nothing for decades. They've never been just fine.
Damn that's crazy you better go tell the entire competitive scene real quick before it's too late!!
They already know.
slide mounted dots are a toss up as to whether they live past like 5k rounds fired.
Electronics weren't really meant to sustain that many Gs for so many repetitions.
I'm waiting for something like the Laugo alien style of weapon with fixed top uppers but moving sides to become more common.
Yeh, i like the original better too, i don't think they even make it anymore though. i just kinda think the raider is bulky and ugly as shit, but the old one is kinda flawed in that i believe you can cause malfunctions by holding the 'not a grip' too hard, and most people hate the 'not a stock' (not that the new one is much better)
As a class of weapon they're in the "overpriced toy" category. I could maybe see an argument to be made for a bedside gun if you've got reason to not want a rifle or shotgun.
Nice to have some sort of chassis thing in the range kit for shits and goggles though.
*i
I was thinking of buying a second cheap P320 just for the FCU so I could get one of these
But all together with an optic and light is like $1500
I feel like I could get a better can for that price
>we've made the perfect solution for a PDW, using an existing pistol "platform"
>limited run! random drops! exclusively sent out to instafag influencers!
And with the brace ban it's basically just a fancy oversized pistol now because they can't even come with the brace.
that's an assault rifle