There was never a recall. The Army recognized the problem and demanded SIG fix it before acceptance. It involved a lower mass striker assembly, a secondary sear, and a lower mass trigger, a dosconnector, and revised safety lever. SIG for whatever reason never rolled those fixes into the civilian guns until the YouTube videos came out and they began a "voluntary upgrade program". You could send your gun in to get fixed for free, but it wasn't a recall and they insisted that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the guns already sold with the dangerously designed firing system. It's scummy as shit.
It’s fixed, but now the trigger pull is worse. Sig initially wanted to have the only drop safety be the spring weights of the trigger. This proved to be insufficient, so they upped the spring weights and put in a drop safety plunger. Both of these additions make the trigger pull worse. It used to be as good as the pull on a VP9, and only a hair behind the P-10 and P99. Now it’s M&P-tier.
t. knower
Incorrect. The fixes involved lowering the mass of the trigger and other components so they wouldn't have enough momentum to pull themselves when dropped and a secondary sear to catch it if it does. There was already a safety lever (the p320 doesn't use a plunger) and none of the spring weights were changed.
Congratulations, you're no longer a knower and just a moron.
>trigger pull is worse
...and this is totally irrelevant.
My favorite gun used to be the Legion. Then I got the P320 out of curiosity for the replaceable FCU, and found with much surprise that even though the trigger feels like shit and reset is longer than your mom's facial hair, it shoots as well as the Legion.
So now P320 is my CC. In the end, the other guy is dead either way.
If you want finesse, get an expensive gun.
If you want a reliable workhorse, get P320.
>caring about trigger reset
Why? Shooting trigger rest is dumb as hell. It's slower than just letting the trigger go and restaging at the wall and less accurate because it leads to people training themselves into pulling on trigger reset instead of when their sights are aligned on target. >inb4 nuh uh, I'm different and special. It works for me
And you would be better if you didn't
It’s fixed, but now the trigger pull is worse. Sig initially wanted to have the only drop safety be the spring weights of the trigger. This proved to be insufficient, so they upped the spring weights and put in a drop safety plunger. Both of these additions make the trigger pull worse. It used to be as good as the pull on a VP9, and only a hair behind the P-10 and P99. Now it’s M&P-tier.
>trigger pull is worse
...and this is totally irrelevant.
My favorite gun used to be the Legion. Then I got the P320 out of curiosity for the replaceable FCU, and found with much surprise that even though the trigger feels like shit and reset is longer than your mom's facial hair, it shoots as well as the Legion.
So now P320 is my CC. In the end, the other guy is dead either way.
If you want finesse, get an expensive gun.
If you want a reliable workhorse, get P320.
I replaced the stock trigger with the skeletonized flat SIG one, it's much better. Probably not worth what they're asking for it though, I got it from a pal who was selling his 320
There was never a recall. The Army recognized the problem and demanded SIG fix it before acceptance. It involved a lower mass striker assembly, a secondary sear, and a lower mass trigger, a dosconnector, and revised safety lever. SIG for whatever reason never rolled those fixes into the civilian guns until the YouTube videos came out and they began a "voluntary upgrade program". You could send your gun in to get fixed for free, but it wasn't a recall and they insisted that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the guns already sold with the dangerously designed firing system. It's scummy as shit.
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Incorrect. The fixes involved lowering the mass of the trigger and other components so they wouldn't have enough momentum to pull themselves when dropped and a secondary sear to catch it if it does. There was already a safety lever (the p320 doesn't use a plunger) and none of the spring weights were changed.
Congratulations, you're no longer a knower and just a moron.
[...] >caring about trigger reset
Why? Shooting trigger rest is dumb as hell. It's slower than just letting the trigger go and restaging at the wall and less accurate because it leads to people training themselves into pulling on trigger reset instead of when their sights are aligned on target. >inb4 nuh uh, I'm different and special. It works for me
And you would be better if you didn't
lmao just look at the complexity of these parts. screams over-engineering to me. give me a fricking glock
And every single one of those was filed by cops/feds. Curious.
>all filed by cops
Yes, a large group of people who carry and interact with their guns on a daily and professional basis are more likely to discover problems before the civilian market which mostly just puts things in the safe and takes them out every month or so.
>guns don't shoot by themselves
There a number of early stories that seem well founded. The sheriff deputy who got her femur blown apart, the transportation cop in Philadelphia, and the cop who got it recorded by chest cam where it went off while he got out of his car. They were all pre-VUP guns and all involved holstered guns firing in P320 specific holsters while some sort of torquing force was applied to the gun.
Nobody will know what SIG's thoughts really are unless they leak internal documents or settlements. The most likely cause for the credible incidents is that SIG had no real metrology and did not properly QA/QC MIM parts from external suppliers and just relied on that supplier to monitor their own production.
Sloppy manufacturing could lead to rare instances where tolerance stacking allows for the striker to slip off the sear when the pistol is twisted. A post-VUP gun would have caught the striker on the secondary sear, or had the disconnector prevent the problem entirely.
The copy-cat suits are being magnified by the press due to the pre existing P320 problems and people who were negligently handling their guns like the school cop who was playing with the pistol or the Canadian JTF2 guy with the hackjob holster.
Doubt it with how much they're spending on their advertising department
>Sig seethe thread
Looks like someone just caught wind that Lone Star withdrew their bid.
It was fixed after it was reported within weeks all affected guns had been removed from service.
There was never a recall. The Army recognized the problem and demanded SIG fix it before acceptance. It involved a lower mass striker assembly, a secondary sear, and a lower mass trigger, a dosconnector, and revised safety lever. SIG for whatever reason never rolled those fixes into the civilian guns until the YouTube videos came out and they began a "voluntary upgrade program". You could send your gun in to get fixed for free, but it wasn't a recall and they insisted that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the guns already sold with the dangerously designed firing system. It's scummy as shit.
Incorrect. The fixes involved lowering the mass of the trigger and other components so they wouldn't have enough momentum to pull themselves when dropped and a secondary sear to catch it if it does. There was already a safety lever (the p320 doesn't use a plunger) and none of the spring weights were changed.
Congratulations, you're no longer a knower and just a moron.
>caring about trigger reset
Why? Shooting trigger rest is dumb as hell. It's slower than just letting the trigger go and restaging at the wall and less accurate because it leads to people training themselves into pulling on trigger reset instead of when their sights are aligned on target.
>inb4 nuh uh, I'm different and special. It works for me
And you would be better if you didn't
It’s fixed, but now the trigger pull is worse. Sig initially wanted to have the only drop safety be the spring weights of the trigger. This proved to be insufficient, so they upped the spring weights and put in a drop safety plunger. Both of these additions make the trigger pull worse. It used to be as good as the pull on a VP9, and only a hair behind the P-10 and P99. Now it’s M&P-tier.
t. knower
>trigger pull is worse
...and this is totally irrelevant.
My favorite gun used to be the Legion. Then I got the P320 out of curiosity for the replaceable FCU, and found with much surprise that even though the trigger feels like shit and reset is longer than your mom's facial hair, it shoots as well as the Legion.
So now P320 is my CC. In the end, the other guy is dead either way.
If you want finesse, get an expensive gun.
If you want a reliable workhorse, get P320.
I want reliable finesse, so I got a USP-C 9mm with the match/LEM hybrid trigger, not the BEST trigger pull out there, but it's good.
This. Except I just use the match trigger kit and keep it V1
I replaced the stock trigger with the skeletonized flat SIG one, it's much better. Probably not worth what they're asking for it though, I got it from a pal who was selling his 320
Funny how siggers acted like trigger pull was the end all be all until this happened. Oh well, what do I know :^)
>p320
>reliable workhorse
holy shit no
lmao just look at the complexity of these parts. screams over-engineering to me. give me a fricking glock
>Sig initially wanted to have the only drop safety be the spring weights of the trigger.
Imagine beta testing on your customers. Pathetic.
yeah
>He believes lying cops that it just "randomly shoots"
Oof
>all filed by cops
Yes, a large group of people who carry and interact with their guns on a daily and professional basis are more likely to discover problems before the civilian market which mostly just puts things in the safe and takes them out every month or so.
>guns don't shoot by themselves
There a number of early stories that seem well founded. The sheriff deputy who got her femur blown apart, the transportation cop in Philadelphia, and the cop who got it recorded by chest cam where it went off while he got out of his car. They were all pre-VUP guns and all involved holstered guns firing in P320 specific holsters while some sort of torquing force was applied to the gun.
Nobody will know what SIG's thoughts really are unless they leak internal documents or settlements. The most likely cause for the credible incidents is that SIG had no real metrology and did not properly QA/QC MIM parts from external suppliers and just relied on that supplier to monitor their own production.
Sloppy manufacturing could lead to rare instances where tolerance stacking allows for the striker to slip off the sear when the pistol is twisted. A post-VUP gun would have caught the striker on the secondary sear, or had the disconnector prevent the problem entirely.
The copy-cat suits are being magnified by the press due to the pre existing P320 problems and people who were negligently handling their guns like the school cop who was playing with the pistol or the Canadian JTF2 guy with the hackjob holster.
>that nail sticking out
Who fricked that up? Imagine getting stabbed inside with a nail when you move your arm.
No guns shoot by themselves, anon.
Sig guns fire when drop, glock don't fire when dropped, sig is shit.
No, Glocks just explode because Gaston doesn't want to add another c**t's hair worth of steel to the chamber.
it never was moron
Right, 30 different lawsuits were filed just for fun.
Dipshit.
And every single one of those was filed by cops/feds. Curious.
They just got sued again for it shooting itself.