I'm pretty sure that's if the weight was divided evenly along the entire track, which it isnt. It is directed through the very narrow portion of track that each road wheel sits on.
a Leopard 2's ground pressure is 0.83kg/cm2. An AT-mine typically has a trigger weight of around 100-250kg. Idk the maths but shit doesn't work
I asked a couple months ago why not use hovercraft for combat operations, and there were some good reasons not to (the more armour and weight you put on them, the larger the craft would have to be to spread the weight out), but maybe unironically use them for demining?
why not make a drone or something that can move through the area and clear the. Better Idea is why not make a catapolt or have a drone fly a heavy object that's the same weight as a person drop it then just drag it that might triger some mines
they do use drone to drop grenade on mine and detonate them, but only on mines they can see from the drone, and on the roads
out of the field with plants and weeds? it's much harder to know where to begin with
I'd rather step on a tiny butterfly mine with one of these than just a boot. Your foot would still be fucked up but its much less likely you lose your whole ankle. Demining is scary as fuck and these seem like they might sometimes be worth looking goofy and being a little clumsy
That'll depend on the amount of pressure the AP mines need to trigger. It could slightly increase their chances of survival, but the biggest benefit will be psychological.
Incorrect answer. The shoes are designed to set off the mine, but while the foot isn't directly over it. The boom is offset slightly and will do less damage if it's a little toe popper mine.
I think this is the main reason, you have a little armor to stop shrapnel and absorb the blast wave and enough distance to hopefully avoid the worst of both, pretty ingenious
I thought the best way to get rid of mines was to have specially trained animals like crows or rats clear them but it takes a lot of time to train them
>I thought the best way to get rid of mines was to have specially trained animals like crows or rats clear them but it takes a lot of time to train them
Yeah, about that...
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/16349
>release a bunch of feral pigs into the area and let them infest the area like they are in other countries >use helicopters to scatter food on possible minefields >the pigs either set off the mines with their bodies or naturally learn to sniff them out and leave the area undisturbed >lots of pigs to hunt and eat with all the guns everybody there now have
Pigs aint dumb, I live in the most mined area in the world per capita and animals quickly figure out minefields and paths thru them. Occasionally you'll get a sheep that strolls thru and gets blown up but wild animals too smart.
No, the best mine field solution is TZD so that we don't have to deal with them in the first place.
>Really should bring back those moon boots from the 90s
I got news for you, homie
https://www.amazon.com/Kangaroo-Jump-Exercise-Fitness-Workout/dp/B094LZK3N4
>This is old. Is recycling posts routine now?
Yes. The board is basically under continuous raid. Doesn't matter what the post is about, it's just important to slide the board. If you pay attention, there are about 50 to 100 re-posted SPAM threads every day, sometimes every morning. Most are deleted in a few minutes, but threads like this one pass the basic smell test and only remain on the board so long as they don't get bumped by tourists who don't know better and vatmoron shills desperately trying to keep them alive while content threads get knocked off page 10. More than 50 threads have been deleted or bumped off page 10 in the last 8 hours, which is pretty much going on continuously.
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>The board is basically under continuous raid
Yes. >vatmoron shills
There's ten times the pro Ukraine threads, you gay redditor. Even mild threads attempting to discuss a Russian weapon system result in a ban. Pretending it's only the Russian side doing it isn't only a total lie, it's ignoring the much larger problem of the endless pro Ukrainian spam.
You're such a liar. Not only have I never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons get banned, I've never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons from vatmorons. It's -always- bait and switch, or asserting provably false things or just outright trolling about western weapons or some other stupid fuck fuck games.
The truth is 4chan and vatmorons are so mind rotted they are completely incapable of honest discussions anymore.
>I've never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons from vatmorons.
"Hey I think the TOS-1A is a neat weapon system"
'Yeah! It's a pretty interesting example of a niche weapon born out of featurecreep. A short range heavy MLRS might have its uses--'
"Xaxaxaxa yes that is why it is roasting pigdog Ukros COUNTEROFFENSIVE FAILED!!!!"
How do you differentiate false flag posts from real rusian posts?
Because from what I've seen, it's all obvious posts made to look like vat spam that can be easily countered.
Just like this thread. OP knew someone was bound to bring up that this was old news (perhaps samefagged).
I wonder if this was the post (
>This is old. Is recycling posts routine now?
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OP meant to pass along to begin with, and the "mine shoes" was just the segue.
Regardless, hiding thread and moving on. Fuck this civil war and fuck the edgy zoomers that it brought here.
the reason minefields are used is because it prevents you moving vehicles and men over an area. your solution of >lol just blow up the mines with a nuke
is dumb >w-w-well use regular artillery! it was hyperbole chud!
the reason militaries don't use artillery to remove mines is because you end up making more of an issue. you remove the mines, but now have a cratered and impassable field to go through. same with fucking nukes. minefields have to be cleared by hand to make them actually useful.
short of masses more mine clearing vehicles or things like the python being deployed, there is no easy way around this. which is exactly why russia did it in the first place.
just admit you're scared of nukes
the future is here, nuclear is the answer
mine field? nuke it
bad guys in field? nuke them
building full of people? nuke it
at border of enemy country? nuke them
wall blocking your path? nuke it
tank coming your way? nuke it
done in the sky? nuke it
nuclear missile launched towards your capital? nuke it
riot in your city? nuke them
the possibilities are endless
Why don’t they use some type of ground drone de-mining vehicle that idk rolls cheap replaceable weights over the ground far enough away from the main body if the drone and every time is sets off a mine, check to see if the weight needs to be replaced if not keep moving forward.
It does look pretty cool, there was another thread that showed a fake?thermal imaging picture of mines glowing hotter than their surrounding as the sun set which idk if that is true. it seems plausible if the mines have a higher/lower thermal conductivity then the surrounding then you should be able to spot the mines with a thermal camera equipped drone and geotag them for another drone to later come in a drop weights on them
It is true, but from what I've read from nonpartisan journals, it's an effect from an unusually warm summer. In regular/cold weather this won't be as effective, if at all.
Despite the article, these aren't new - surplus shop near me has a set, and I've seen em everytime I've been in there. always thought they seemed like a neat idea, but have been dubious of whether or not they work.
It probably comes from their shill work center PC being set for Hindu font or something where the latin fonts don't have the option of AA'd text installed or something.
>Hit too close to home, didnt it little piggy
I get to watch 'bout treefiddy of your countrymen meet their maker each time I take a morning deuce from half the planet away pussy
speaking of "close to home" how does it feel to know mighty Puccian capital is getting bombed by their tiny neighbor? Pskov is just the beginning, TZD is imminent, and slava ukraini, pidorashka
Not really, because they are not the same. Those wars were won in an instant on the battlefield but proceeded into years of guerilla warfare. russia can still toss some AT mines from soviet stockpiles around, even if only 50% work and only 20% of those get triggered.
Have they been using mine clearing line charges?
Is deploying them even the right move given the circumstances since they're probably being shot at or are trying to sneak through?
They are. they have 3D printers making them. nobody is saying these are immune to triggering mines, but it does give elevation and a modicum of shielding from toe-poppers. Keep in mind, you can detonate those safely with a tree branch, so it's not as if they have a massive lethal radius.
>The best thing is classified
It's 100% a really "dumb" creative idea that's hilariously brilliant, relying on an exploit that's relatively easy to fix, isn't it?
Something like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Boppers for feet.
Speculating and imagination are half the fun at guessing about classified stuff, anon, I wouldn't actually ask you to reveal something you shouldn't.
I also get a giggle out of the idea of someone minesweeping while wearing pillow shoes.
I wonder if we could train animals to smell and either mark/dig up mines without triggering them.
The only solution to demining require dexterity and some intellects animal training would be the only way to get it in number.
>steps on 4 mines at once
>steps on one mine 4 times
Minefield speedrun.
>jumps on 8 mines at once
Yes. This is one of the many reasons Ukraine is winning
>legs still blows up in the air
>more painful because only the bone broke
No, but this is unironically.
Theres too many wheels - weight dispersed per wheel cannot activate the mine
a Leopard 2's ground pressure is 0.83kg/cm2. An AT-mine typically has a trigger weight of around 100-250kg. Idk the maths but shit doesn't work
I'm pretty sure that's if the weight was divided evenly along the entire track, which it isnt. It is directed through the very narrow portion of track that each road wheel sits on.
>0.83 kg/cm^2
55 150 000 kg = mass of a leo 2
55 150 000 / 0.83 = 66 445 783.13 cm^2
= 6 644.58 m^2
>???????
I must be retarded what i'm doing wrong?
55,000 Ton tank
oh yeah i have dyscalculia now i remember why i should shut up
Such a tank would literally be half the weight of a nuclear carrier.
Fund it.
We live in the time where the useless US military spending is over. Now only zigger bombing and 55000 tanks are to be accommodated in the budget.
BOLO SUPREMACY WHEN?
>kickstart BOLO production
Time to end Social Security and welfare.
>55,000 Ton Nuclear Powered Tank
what Hitler would have wanted
the MegaMaus
That's big.
Prepare escorts for the Kapisi. The Russians are nothing compared to the Gaalsien
Hitler would have 100% funded it if he was in the same position as the US is right now.
of course it won't work on AT mines, it's against AP mines
If you believe that's how that works, go lay under a Leo2's tracks.
>An AT-mine typically has a trigger weight of around 100-250kg.
So what you're saying is that 33% of American women could set off an AT mine?
You're just inventing the tank track again.
Shut the fuck up you retarded moron
I asked a couple months ago why not use hovercraft for combat operations, and there were some good reasons not to (the more armour and weight you put on them, the larger the craft would have to be to spread the weight out), but maybe unironically use them for demining?
why not make a drone or something that can move through the area and clear the. Better Idea is why not make a catapolt or have a drone fly a heavy object that's the same weight as a person drop it then just drag it that might triger some mines
they do use drone to drop grenade on mine and detonate them, but only on mines they can see from the drone, and on the roads
out of the field with plants and weeds? it's much harder to know where to begin with
I'd rather step on a tiny butterfly mine with one of these than just a boot. Your foot would still be fucked up but its much less likely you lose your whole ankle. Demining is scary as fuck and these seem like they might sometimes be worth looking goofy and being a little clumsy
That'll depend on the amount of pressure the AP mines need to trigger. It could slightly increase their chances of survival, but the biggest benefit will be psychological.
Correct answer.
Incorrect answer. The shoes are designed to set off the mine, but while the foot isn't directly over it. The boom is offset slightly and will do less damage if it's a little toe popper mine.
I think this is the main reason, you have a little armor to stop shrapnel and absorb the blast wave and enough distance to hopefully avoid the worst of both, pretty ingenious
They need hover boots.
I need hover boots!
I thought the best way to get rid of mines was to have specially trained animals like crows or rats clear them but it takes a lot of time to train them
that's for after the war
animals don't clear them but smell or detect mines. You still need sappers to defuse them
>his rats cant handle pliers and defuse wire
Pathetic
>I thought the best way to get rid of mines was to have specially trained animals like crows or rats clear them but it takes a lot of time to train them
Yeah, about that...
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/16349
>When the spikes just aren't cutting it for self defence anymore
Based hedgepig, go kill some Russians.
>your gadsden flag has autism
>ALLAHU AKBAR!
That hedgehog is live!
>release a bunch of feral pigs into the area and let them infest the area like they are in other countries
>use helicopters to scatter food on possible minefields
>the pigs either set off the mines with their bodies or naturally learn to sniff them out and leave the area undisturbed
>lots of pigs to hunt and eat with all the guns everybody there now have
Europe already has wild boars. Any feral pigs will just fuck off to somewhere else.
good idea
Pigs aint dumb, I live in the most mined area in the world per capita and animals quickly figure out minefields and paths thru them. Occasionally you'll get a sheep that strolls thru and gets blown up but wild animals too smart.
>animals quickly figure out minefields and paths thru them
wouldn't that still help sappers to have a safe desire path through a minefield?
I mean they are already demining with pigs.
Really should bring back those moon boots from the 90s
No, the best mine field solution is TZD so that we don't have to deal with them in the first place.
>Really should bring back those moon boots from the 90s
I got news for you, homie
https://www.amazon.com/Kangaroo-Jump-Exercise-Fitness-Workout/dp/B094LZK3N4
What the fuck purpose do those serve that box jumps cant accomplish
This is old. Is recycling posts routine now?
>This is old. Is recycling posts routine now?
Yes. The board is basically under continuous raid. Doesn't matter what the post is about, it's just important to slide the board. If you pay attention, there are about 50 to 100 re-posted SPAM threads every day, sometimes every morning. Most are deleted in a few minutes, but threads like this one pass the basic smell test and only remain on the board so long as they don't get bumped by tourists who don't know better and vatmoron shills desperately trying to keep them alive while content threads get knocked off page 10. More than 50 threads have been deleted or bumped off page 10 in the last 8 hours, which is pretty much going on continuously.
Example: PrepHole has about two or three shotgun threads every day, some even last a few days. Yet some 4chantard will post a new thread saying "Shit I haven't seen PrepHole talking about shotguns, why doesn't PrepHole ever talk about shotguns?" even though there are three active shotgun threads (like, at this actual moment as I type this, that is exactly happening).
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>The board is basically under continuous raid
Yes.
>vatmoron shills
There's ten times the pro Ukraine threads, you gay redditor. Even mild threads attempting to discuss a Russian weapon system result in a ban. Pretending it's only the Russian side doing it isn't only a total lie, it's ignoring the much larger problem of the endless pro Ukrainian spam.
You're such a liar. Not only have I never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons get banned, I've never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons from vatmorons. It's -always- bait and switch, or asserting provably false things or just outright trolling about western weapons or some other stupid fuck fuck games.
The truth is 4chan and vatmorons are so mind rotted they are completely incapable of honest discussions anymore.
>I've never seen an honest attempt to talk about Russian weapons from vatmorons.
"Hey I think the TOS-1A is a neat weapon system"
'Yeah! It's a pretty interesting example of a niche weapon born out of featurecreep. A short range heavy MLRS might have its uses--'
"Xaxaxaxa yes that is why it is roasting pigdog Ukros COUNTEROFFENSIVE FAILED!!!!"
How do you differentiate false flag posts from real rusian posts?
Because from what I've seen, it's all obvious posts made to look like vat spam that can be easily countered.
Just like this thread. OP knew someone was bound to bring up that this was old news (perhaps samefagged).
I wonder if this was the post (
)
OP meant to pass along to begin with, and the "mine shoes" was just the segue.
Regardless, hiding thread and moving on. Fuck this civil war and fuck the edgy zoomers that it brought here.
jesus. go to the range and touch some grass
Can't they just move the arms and cameras of an EOD bot to a quadcopter? Or is that too heavy?
Your turn
>Ukrainian engineers have developed special shoe overlays
rocketboots
Fire one of these straight at the mine field.
the reason minefields are used is because it prevents you moving vehicles and men over an area. your solution of
>lol just blow up the mines with a nuke
is dumb
>w-w-well use regular artillery! it was hyperbole chud!
the reason militaries don't use artillery to remove mines is because you end up making more of an issue. you remove the mines, but now have a cratered and impassable field to go through. same with fucking nukes. minefields have to be cleared by hand to make them actually useful.
short of masses more mine clearing vehicles or things like the python being deployed, there is no easy way around this. which is exactly why russia did it in the first place.
just admit you're scared of nukes
the future is here, nuclear is the answer
mine field? nuke it
bad guys in field? nuke them
building full of people? nuke it
at border of enemy country? nuke them
wall blocking your path? nuke it
tank coming your way? nuke it
done in the sky? nuke it
nuclear missile launched towards your capital? nuke it
riot in your city? nuke them
the possibilities are endless
>bacon not warm enough? nuke it
>cratered and impassable field to go through
just use a bulldozer and a dump truck dumbass or idk a bridge layer
You might still lose a foot, but you'd be less likely to lose your entire leg.
MRAPs have high ground clearance for the same reason.
It's the difference between having your foot blown off or having some minor injuries, maybe losing a toe.
tip toe around the mines while you feel sexy
How is that not constant pain?
i believe that's the point
just bounce over them
Why don’t they use some type of ground drone de-mining vehicle that idk rolls cheap replaceable weights over the ground far enough away from the main body if the drone and every time is sets off a mine, check to see if the weight needs to be replaced if not keep moving forward.
They do that as well, let me present you the Bozena-5, a slovak remotely controlled moron-whipper 9000
It does look pretty cool, there was another thread that showed a fake?thermal imaging picture of mines glowing hotter than their surrounding as the sun set which idk if that is true. it seems plausible if the mines have a higher/lower thermal conductivity then the surrounding then you should be able to spot the mines with a thermal camera equipped drone and geotag them for another drone to later come in a drop weights on them
It is true, but from what I've read from nonpartisan journals, it's an effect from an unusually warm summer. In regular/cold weather this won't be as effective, if at all.
Too busy whipping football players that knelt for the national anthem
Why don't they just use these?
finally we can break through the lines of minefields xisters!
Despite the article, these aren't new - surplus shop near me has a set, and I've seen em everytime I've been in there. always thought they seemed like a neat idea, but have been dubious of whether or not they work.
>A challenger appears
why dont we have ground penetrating x rays?
what's with indians and having antialiasing disabled? i only see this on their screenshots, and i have for years
It probably comes from their shill work center PC being set for Hindu font or something where the latin fonts don't have the option of AA'd text installed or something.
this is probably about those small plastic mines the russians use, not actual AP mines.
cope shoes.
>cope cleats
ftfy
I like the Russian tactic of making German children walk across the field
Force Russian prisoners to manually clear them by walking over them.
t. general zhukov
They'd probably be open to the idea if it cam with the guarantee they won't get sent back to Russia.
Napalm.
It melts mines, cover, and anything in trenches also i hear it sticks to zigs as well.
Better 20 thousand maimed than 40 million enslaved.
based and freedom-pilled
and even with arms and legs missing they'll still be twice the men you are, coward
Hit too close to home, didnt it little piggy
>Hit too close to home, didnt it little piggy
I get to watch 'bout treefiddy of your countrymen meet their maker each time I take a morning deuce from half the planet away pussy
speaking of "close to home" how does it feel to know mighty Puccian capital is getting bombed by their tiny neighbor? Pskov is just the beginning, TZD is imminent, and slava ukraini, pidorashka
MOON SHOES MOON SHOES MOON SHOES!!
MOON SHOES
KICK OFF THE SUNDAY SHOES
JACK GET BACK
Why were mass minefields not a problem in Iraq or Afghanistan? They knew the US was going to attack and had months of time to build defences.
Not really, because they are not the same. Those wars were won in an instant on the battlefield but proceeded into years of guerilla warfare. russia can still toss some AT mines from soviet stockpiles around, even if only 50% work and only 20% of those get triggered.
Yes, but why were they won in an instant when minefields should have delayed the advances? Planes cant clear minefields.
Minefields are usually actively defended to prevent people from clearing them. The US would just destroy the defending troops with air power
If James Bond has taught me anything its that the best solution to minefields is hovercraft
>You see ivann you will never step the inaccurate
Have they been using mine clearing line charges?
Is deploying them even the right move given the circumstances since they're probably being shot at or are trying to sneak through?
Is this for real?
They are. they have 3D printers making them. nobody is saying these are immune to triggering mines, but it does give elevation and a modicum of shielding from toe-poppers. Keep in mind, you can detonate those safely with a tree branch, so it's not as if they have a massive lethal radius.
As retarded as these look, they should be pretty effective against small shitty, hard to spot anti infantry mines that are fucking everywhere.
no
what is the best solution we have is classified
but blowing up mines works too
t. combat engineer
>The best thing is classified
It's 100% a really "dumb" creative idea that's hilariously brilliant, relying on an exploit that's relatively easy to fix, isn't it?
Something like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Boppers for feet.
it's based on non classified technologies
i have no idea why it's classified even, probably because it is still kinda experimental
Speculating and imagination are half the fun at guessing about classified stuff, anon, I wouldn't actually ask you to reveal something you shouldn't.
I also get a giggle out of the idea of someone minesweeping while wearing pillow shoes.
inb4 non neutonial fluids
>best solution we have is classified
So we gotta wait until War Thunder implements minefields to find out what it is
why not just shoot at the ground? if you hit a mine, it will exploded
simple as
please just invent hover boots/platforms already
most of these "ukrainian engineers" are usually couple of old AFU dudes in their garage doing things.
technicals driving >70mph to not set off the mines.
I wonder if we could train animals to smell and either mark/dig up mines without triggering them.
The only solution to demining require dexterity and some intellects animal training would be the only way to get it in number.
The real way to deal with a minefield is to just go around it
Using german pows.
It worked great for the danes.
>best anti-mine field solution
Send an Ukrainian in your place.
Just send some PoWs
>t. danes