Its just gonna be a mediocre big machete then. Swords realy on you being able to swing them fast and 12 pounds is a basic woodcutting axe but you lack the advantages of an axe. Simply put the material isnt optimized.
It's for dead tree* bashing.
This cuts right through them. If I destroy the branches and weaken the tree it just explodes after I launch it into the tree
I just want to be able to riposte and train to use Sir Silver's longsword techniques with it
I have a bastard sword for actual real combat training involving speed
1 month ago
Anonymous
I mean if you just wanna larp as Guts against dead trees it will do the job. Just be wary of momentum.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Pretty much, but I want to be able to riposte when branches fall from the sky so I can parry them instead of only having to block. So how much should the hilt weigh?
1 month ago
Anonymous
also be wary of the blade snapping and lodging in your thoracic cavity lmao
1 month ago
Anonymous
Nei. It's incredibly strong steel
https://i.imgur.com/cNrRuiA.jpg
a real sword weighs 2-3 pounds, retard
What is the percentage of the weight of the blade that is counterbalanced by the hilt?
1 month ago
Anonymous
thereabouts a third of that weight
1 month ago
Anonymous
Naisu
1 month ago
Anonymous
Domo
1 month ago
Anonymous
Norgay detected.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It would be illegal for Norwegians to carry this I think. I would love to bring it to Europe or Japan but only America will allow me to tote this around in public as far as I know.
I actually am saying nei as a reference to a 4chan thread asking if black women would be allowed in the ethnostate because I found the tone so funny I wanted to repeat the experience in a simple way
1 month ago
KM
>train to use Sir Silver's longsword techniques with it
Silver's "two handed sword" IIRC would be what we today tend to call a longsword or a rather small and light two-hander. So 4-5 lbs for the entire finished sword. Training with a heavier sword will make techniques that should work impossible and some stuff that shouldn't work possible, ie it'll mislead you instead of teach you.
What silver called a long sword on the other hand is a single handed basket hilt sword, like the one shown here. Something like this one. You'll want that even lighter.
How about fullering?
I don't want to decrease the of the blade.
It's not for combat, I just want it counterbalanced but I agree 12 lbs is too much. I've had to train excessively just to test it a few times but I want to use it without worrying so much about my joints
I'm no swordsmith, but trying to remove at least two thirds of the blade just by fullering seems like a somewhat questionable idea. Odds are you're going to need some rather fundamental changes here.
To give you some kind of ballpark ideas, my longsword is 135cm long with 100cm of blade and weighs in at a respectable 1745g (so far from a lightweight). The blade is 6mm thick and 46mm wide at the hilt, and then tapers to a thickness of 2.6mm and a width of 20mm just before the tip grind starts. Centre of gravity if 7.5cm in front of the guard, I haven't measured the other balancing parameters. The thickness tapering may not be linear, I haven't checked.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How wouldn't they work if I'm just training by myself?
>It's for tree bashing
So not a sword at all then, but an oversized machete in drag.
>Swords have weighed this much before
The heaviest sword I've heard of that might have been intended for actual fighting tips the scales at 4630g, or 10.2 lbs. Odds are that's the heaviest because at that point even the most stubborn and over-machismoed guy couldn't but admit that things had gotten way past the point of being a good idea.
That's certainly a solid and in-depth enough analysis for my niece. He's five years old.
How wouldn't they work if I'm just training by myself?
Well, to be quite honest training just by yourself is likely to not teach you anything reasonable anyway. Fencing is first and foremost a social affair. That said, different swords move and handle differently. handle one and it'll give you some idea how that sword works, but it won't tell you how a different sword works. Now as for Silver's techniques, well they were meant for certain types of swords. Train with a grossly overweight sword and you'll get the wrong idea about how things feel and move. To make it even worse Silver was very particular about the length of swords, because if things are too long or too short the interplay of distance, timing and manoeuvrability that he built everything on falls apart. Given this I'd say it's a pretty fair guess that he'd also consider a massively overweight sword to be (and here I'm phrasing it, mostly, as Silver himself might have) a foreign perversion fit only to trick the flower of society into needlessly killing each other before they can fulfil their duty as the king's loyal subjects and Silver's paying students and thus something you should be relentlessly mocked and driven into exile for suggesting.
If I'm allowed to slip over onto the side of poetry an anthropomorphisation I'd say that when you hold a well balanced sword it will start telling you what it's about. Pick up a smallsword and you'll feel the tip searching for a target while the sound of a sewing machine starts echoing in your mind, grab a tulwar and you can feel it slicing along a plane even when still, a 1796LC begs to arc through the air and then someone. A good sword for Silver will tell you one thing, a grossly overweight two handed sword will basically just give you some random Mr Creosote noises.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'm a hermit incel NEET
I just want to practice his techniques cause they feel cool
Also with every pump I feel the strength of the blade yielding to me
1 month ago
Anonymous
At the very least larping hard with a 12 pound sword may give you more lean mass if you don't eat like shit.
Placement of the centre of mass doesn't look insane, but where exactly it should be varies with the kind of sword you're trying to make. Being a good swordsmith means a lot of trips to museums and antique stores to figure out how things should be.
Unfortunately there's a lot more to balancing a sword than simply where the centre of mass is. Primarily rotational nodes and vibrational nodes, neither of which we can say anything whatsoever about just based on a photo. A good "eye opener" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZ_lIsZD_E (The balancing stuff is mostly in the second half, but odds are you want to watch the whole thing from start to finish.)
>The blade itself weights approximately 12 pounds
For a hefty twohander you want the finished sword to be maybe half of that. For a longsword you want the total weight to be less than a third.
How about fullering?
I don't want to decrease the of the blade.
It's not for combat, I just want it counterbalanced but I agree 12 lbs is too much. I've had to train excessively just to test it a few times but I want to use it without worrying so much about my joints
Anon, this isn't a sword, it's a sword shaped club. Longswords are around 3-4 lbs, zweihanders go to around 6-8 lbs. >T. HEMA enthusiast for 3 years. I prefer Italian techniques (Just stab the gays).
How about fullering?
I don't want to decrease the of the blade.
It's not for combat, I just want it counterbalanced but I agree 12 lbs is too much. I've had to train excessively just to test it a few times but I want to use it without worrying so much about my joints
You can try with fullers and with grinding the edges down in concave form to a hollow edge. This will let you keep the thickness, while taking out that bit more material.
You'll still have a hefty fucking stabba, but it will take some weight out.
Though, I don't know how hollow edges do for trees, so check first.
yes
no
How do I go about balancing it?
The blade itself weights approximately 12 pounds
What is the approximate weight to counterbalance?
>12 pounds
What the fuck
It's for tree bashing
Swords have weighed this much before
It's only 3 lbs heavier than a zweihander
Its just gonna be a mediocre big machete then. Swords realy on you being able to swing them fast and 12 pounds is a basic woodcutting axe but you lack the advantages of an axe. Simply put the material isnt optimized.
It's for dead tree* bashing.
This cuts right through them. If I destroy the branches and weaken the tree it just explodes after I launch it into the tree
I just want to be able to riposte and train to use Sir Silver's longsword techniques with it
I have a bastard sword for actual real combat training involving speed
I mean if you just wanna larp as Guts against dead trees it will do the job. Just be wary of momentum.
Pretty much, but I want to be able to riposte when branches fall from the sky so I can parry them instead of only having to block. So how much should the hilt weigh?
also be wary of the blade snapping and lodging in your thoracic cavity lmao
Nei. It's incredibly strong steel
What is the percentage of the weight of the blade that is counterbalanced by the hilt?
thereabouts a third of that weight
Naisu
Domo
Norgay detected.
It would be illegal for Norwegians to carry this I think. I would love to bring it to Europe or Japan but only America will allow me to tote this around in public as far as I know.
I actually am saying nei as a reference to a 4chan thread asking if black women would be allowed in the ethnostate because I found the tone so funny I wanted to repeat the experience in a simple way
>train to use Sir Silver's longsword techniques with it
Silver's "two handed sword" IIRC would be what we today tend to call a longsword or a rather small and light two-hander. So 4-5 lbs for the entire finished sword. Training with a heavier sword will make techniques that should work impossible and some stuff that shouldn't work possible, ie it'll mislead you instead of teach you.
What silver called a long sword on the other hand is a single handed basket hilt sword, like the one shown here. Something like this one. You'll want that even lighter.
I'm no swordsmith, but trying to remove at least two thirds of the blade just by fullering seems like a somewhat questionable idea. Odds are you're going to need some rather fundamental changes here.
To give you some kind of ballpark ideas, my longsword is 135cm long with 100cm of blade and weighs in at a respectable 1745g (so far from a lightweight). The blade is 6mm thick and 46mm wide at the hilt, and then tapers to a thickness of 2.6mm and a width of 20mm just before the tip grind starts. Centre of gravity if 7.5cm in front of the guard, I haven't measured the other balancing parameters. The thickness tapering may not be linear, I haven't checked.
How wouldn't they work if I'm just training by myself?
>It's for tree bashing
So not a sword at all then, but an oversized machete in drag.
>Swords have weighed this much before
The heaviest sword I've heard of that might have been intended for actual fighting tips the scales at 4630g, or 10.2 lbs. Odds are that's the heaviest because at that point even the most stubborn and over-machismoed guy couldn't but admit that things had gotten way past the point of being a good idea.
It's a sword
It's sword shaped
That's certainly a solid and in-depth enough analysis for my niece. He's five years old.
Well, to be quite honest training just by yourself is likely to not teach you anything reasonable anyway. Fencing is first and foremost a social affair. That said, different swords move and handle differently. handle one and it'll give you some idea how that sword works, but it won't tell you how a different sword works. Now as for Silver's techniques, well they were meant for certain types of swords. Train with a grossly overweight sword and you'll get the wrong idea about how things feel and move. To make it even worse Silver was very particular about the length of swords, because if things are too long or too short the interplay of distance, timing and manoeuvrability that he built everything on falls apart. Given this I'd say it's a pretty fair guess that he'd also consider a massively overweight sword to be (and here I'm phrasing it, mostly, as Silver himself might have) a foreign perversion fit only to trick the flower of society into needlessly killing each other before they can fulfil their duty as the king's loyal subjects and Silver's paying students and thus something you should be relentlessly mocked and driven into exile for suggesting.
If I'm allowed to slip over onto the side of poetry an anthropomorphisation I'd say that when you hold a well balanced sword it will start telling you what it's about. Pick up a smallsword and you'll feel the tip searching for a target while the sound of a sewing machine starts echoing in your mind, grab a tulwar and you can feel it slicing along a plane even when still, a 1796LC begs to arc through the air and then someone. A good sword for Silver will tell you one thing, a grossly overweight two handed sword will basically just give you some random Mr Creosote noises.
I'm a hermit incel NEET
I just want to practice his techniques cause they feel cool
Also with every pump I feel the strength of the blade yielding to me
At the very least larping hard with a 12 pound sword may give you more lean mass if you don't eat like shit.
Why is your niece a he?
Placement of the centre of mass doesn't look insane, but where exactly it should be varies with the kind of sword you're trying to make. Being a good swordsmith means a lot of trips to museums and antique stores to figure out how things should be.
Unfortunately there's a lot more to balancing a sword than simply where the centre of mass is. Primarily rotational nodes and vibrational nodes, neither of which we can say anything whatsoever about just based on a photo. A good "eye opener" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZ_lIsZD_E (The balancing stuff is mostly in the second half, but odds are you want to watch the whole thing from start to finish.)
>The blade itself weights approximately 12 pounds
For a hefty twohander you want the finished sword to be maybe half of that. For a longsword you want the total weight to be less than a third.
How about fullering?
I don't want to decrease the of the blade.
It's not for combat, I just want it counterbalanced but I agree 12 lbs is too much. I've had to train excessively just to test it a few times but I want to use it without worrying so much about my joints
The strength*
a real sword weighs 2-3 pounds, retard
> The blade itself weights approximately 12 pounds
Do you think real life is anime?
It is now
Also a game
Just have to attain 100STR before I can use it
needs more materia
Maybe
i don't know
Anon, this isn't a sword, it's a sword shaped club. Longswords are around 3-4 lbs, zweihanders go to around 6-8 lbs.
>T. HEMA enthusiast for 3 years. I prefer Italian techniques (Just stab the gays).
It's for biggity bashing dead triggas, kbro
It IS a sword
The only sword capable of defeating the polehammer and reclaiming the throne of the battlefield
I think bros just trying to train like this
https://youtube.com/shorts/pU6wlsmmSqM?si=ZlpoL0vUnLhq9-lT
I wish frogposters/newfags would stay on r*ddit.
OP don't listen to the fools who are trying to bad mouth your heavy sword
It's YOUR weapon, not theirs. Enjoy it, and practice often.
Keep lifting until you can swing it with ease, practice with heavier things.
Anon nobody is going to be practicing anything with that or using any real sword techniques without a rotator cuff injury.
He wants his choppa, he gets his choppa.
You can try with fullers and with grinding the edges down in concave form to a hollow edge. This will let you keep the thickness, while taking out that bit more material.
You'll still have a hefty fucking stabba, but it will take some weight out.
Though, I don't know how hollow edges do for trees, so check first.