Is there really a good solution for Haiti militarily speaking?

Is there really a good solution for Haiti militarily speaking?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He said good solution, not a final one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm glad everyone is on the same page.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying that isn't a good solution

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the only one

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What's the difference?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let Haiti do it's thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >let them cook

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cook “people”

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically, wall and blockade it off, let it sort itself out.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Letting General Barbecue grill up some of those G-Peppers...

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    genocide

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The solution for most really crime plagued countries is some version of what El Salvador did, although given Haitian resources they'd probably just have to kill all known criminals instead of incarcerating them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      yes

      El Salvador currently has the slowest growing economy of the Americas. Is in 2nd year of 'Martial Law' with no end in sight. El Salvador is on it's knees begging for a bail-out from the 'IMF'.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no! The GDP is low! Now israelites can't speculate on the housing market and loan money at extortionate rates! The horror!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      El Salvadors gangs are internationally based so cracking down on them is essentially an interstate war. Haitis gangs, to my knowledge, are not based in LA with leftover Cold War infrastructure

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Haitian police are corrupt as shit and have essentially set up free fire killzones minus the actual evacuation warning,

      They admit to reporters they kill anyone armed or not, and proceed on camera to shoot at obvious civilians just for being there.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clear out the whole country 100 years ago.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally carpet bomb the shit out of it with alternating days of high-explosives and napalm until every living thing West if the DR is dead& whatever already crumbling infastructure is ground to cinder. Then give it to the DR& let them turn it into more beach resorts& casinos.
    Seriously, Haiti is stuck waist-deep in a stoneage quagmire. Something like 80% of their energy comes from burning fricking charcoal on half of an island that's entirely deforested. Picrel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically: get rid of the excess population.

      The unsolvable problem is, like showed, the deforestation they've wrought upon the place. No trees = nothing with deep roots holding the soil together = it inevitably gets swept away by wind and rain erosion (into the ocean) leaving only barren rock and sand. Soil is not something you can replace with artificial fertilizers from a bag. A soil is a living ecosystem, full of (micro) organisms. It can replenish, but very slowly (an inch or so per century). In other words, it's not coming back since they destroy it faster than it could possibly heal.

      Providing food assistance so the massive overpopulation can continue to exist - and destroy the remaining ecosystem even more thoroughly - is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Let Nature take its course. Cut off the gibs. Balance will be restored one way or the other.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Species do not naturally maintain perfectly stable populations. They boom and bust. Without gibs apefricans will go through periodic famines. You made it sound like there will be a die-off once and then everything will be fine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/N1s7SM9.png

      Unironically: get rid of the excess population.

      The unsolvable problem is, like showed, the deforestation they've wrought upon the place. No trees = nothing with deep roots holding the soil together = it inevitably gets swept away by wind and rain erosion (into the ocean) leaving only barren rock and sand. Soil is not something you can replace with artificial fertilizers from a bag. A soil is a living ecosystem, full of (micro) organisms. It can replenish, but very slowly (an inch or so per century). In other words, it's not coming back since they destroy it faster than it could possibly heal.

      Providing food assistance so the massive overpopulation can continue to exist - and destroy the remaining ecosystem even more thoroughly - is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Let Nature take its course. Cut off the gibs. Balance will be restored one way or the other.

      Haiti is a nation of brats that could easily be fixed with 6 months of properly applied correction.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Korean dommy-mommy getting gamgbanged by Haitian criminals

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Democrats are working to bring them to the US

      Every day another plane loaded with Hatians lands in the US

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let them sit in their own feces until the strongest warlord declares to be king, then try to work with him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We've been doing that for centuries, and it never worked. The strongest one is never the most competent one. Hell, Haiti had a few emperors who engaged in very ill-advised campaigns against the DR and got stomped. Haiti is basically a lost cause.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Military junta that transforms the society into a military meritocracy where every citizen is a conscript for life, with their assigned barracks, training regime and jobs. Everyone in a given unit votes for their qualified candidate for their officer position when it opens, all the way to the top. Everyone gets food, housing, a place in society, comrades, cool uniforms, and they'll be happy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That just sounds like socialism with extra guns.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, socialist military meritocratic elected dictatorship, everyone owning a service rifle and already being part of an organization that could swiftly replace illegal high command. I'm sure africans wouldn't mind as long as the uniforms were cool enough.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >socialist
          >meritocratic
          Pick one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >socialist military meritocratic elected dictatorship

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >socialist
            everything is basically owned and governed by the state
            >military
            the military is the state
            >meritocratic
            only those with training, education and merit for promotion can qualify for a promotion
            >elected
            everyone is promoted through an election within the unit
            >dictatorship
            the general commands the entire army

            I forgot the "constitutional" part that restricts what officers can and cant legally do. So Constitutional Socialist Military Meritocratic Elected Dictatorship

            it makes perfect sense

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >everything is basically owned and governed by the state
              >the military is the state
              >the general commands the entire army
              >it makes perfect sense
              no it doesn't, this is how you turn your country into Eritrea
              stop smoking this shit anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no it doesn't, this is how you turn your country into Eritrea
                eh, still an improvement over haiti.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                While I normally don't condone any form of socialism or totalitarianism, Haiti needs a hard reset in order to not be a black hole for humanity. Enslaving everyone to the state, even if said state eventually collapses/is overthrown, might be a way to do that without just straight up murdering everyone like other anons are suggesting.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was with you until the "constitution". No, anon, a constitution is only as good as the people who uphold it. What makes you think these Black folk are gonna vote for people with the most merit at unit level? Or that they're gonna abide by what the constitution said they can or cant do? You're basically applying 21st century modern man logic to homosexual Erectus.
              What you need is unironically manorialism: harsh punishment for crimes, serfdom for the underclass and limit their reproduction under a decentralized high IQ martial aristocracy for a millennia. It's eugenic and it's basically what Western Europeans did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds like a one-way trip to a war with the DR.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >an organization that could swiftly replace illegal high command
          Translation:
          >biweekly coups

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >socialist military meritocratic elected dictatorship
          PICK ONE
          ALL OF THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

          EVERY WORD IN THE SENTENCE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHERS

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Military junta that transforms the society into a military meritocracy where every citizen is a conscript for life, with their assigned barracks, training regime and jobs. Everyone in a given unit votes for their qualified candidate for their officer position when it opens, all the way to the top. Everyone gets food, housing, a place in society, comrades, cool uniforms, and they'll be happy.
      Isn't this the system in Eritrea?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there really a good solution for Haiti militarily speaking?
    Yes. Its a 60 year mission whereby you invade the country with a police force, and then occupy the country, and then you use the policing force to maintain law and order while construction efforts happen (water, sanitation, power, healthcare, education). You then have to educate 11 million literal morons. Once said morons are educated you start building institutions - police, courts, etc. After two to three generations you maybe start letting the morons run parts of the country.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who the frick is gonna pay for all that and why the frick should anybody bother

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Who the frick is gonna pay for all that and why the frick should anybody bother
        Do you want 11 million Haitians coming to America?

        Yeah.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No and we don't have to let them in. Leave them on their shithole island and let nature run its course

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This guy gets it. Unless there's sizeable oil or mineral reserves, there's no point. That being said, I'd love to see China do a "friendly" occupation in the name of non-white solidarity or whatever anti-west talking points, and see them fail miserably to establish any sort of order, then they leave and you get to see Chinese infrastructure with Haitian maintainance.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh you bet your ass ALL Americans would simultaneously shart angrily if China tried anything like it, because surely "living under se chinks has got to be so much worse than this!!"

          There's also a bit of a cuba situation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            China would just bring in Chinese workers and enslave the local populace while stealing their resources like they already do in Africa and thirdie Europe

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have to ask though: Which resources? If they had anything like oil, then the usa would care, but they don't.
              They however seem to be a great base of operation for fricking with uncle sam - kinda like cuba.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Why would they care about an island that's sorta close to the US when they basically already own our northern neighbor

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh you bet your ass ALL Americans would simultaneously shart angrily if China tried anything like it, because surely "living under se chinks has got to be so much worse than this!!"

          There's also a bit of a cuba situation.

          China would probably genocide half of them, enslave the other half, colonize Haiti, and somehow make things worse.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For now they've committed remarkably few war crimes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We already did this a century ago and it's called the Dominican Republic. Let them handle their moronic Haitian brethren. Maybe divert Ukraine aid to them and pump them full of genocidal anti-Haitian prop for a year or two

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > nation building
      Frick that.

      We've been doing that for centuries, and it never worked. The strongest one is never the most competent one. Hell, Haiti had a few emperors who engaged in very ill-advised campaigns against the DR and got stomped. Haiti is basically a lost cause.

      > it never worked
      > no mass exodus from island, just a trickle in S FL
      We have different definitions of what works.
      I'd argue that a violent strongman is culturally appropriate for a country that killed all the whites off as a kickoff move.

      No and we don't have to let them in. Leave them on their shithole island and let nature run its course

      This.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The elephant in the room is this is the most concise and practical thing to do:

      I know quite a few Haitians that emigrated to the US because of all of the crime etc, and in general they're really good people but the decent ones have basically given up on trying to sort out their country and the ones that can leave, left long ago.

      It truly is a failed State. Another thing that's interesting about Haiti is that any time the U.S. even starts having discussions to do something about it (at the State Dept or Congressional level), a massive wave of disinformation kicks in.

      Usually it's in the form of pushing conspiracy theories about how the US is going to "invade" Haiti. It even happened after the Earthquake when the USN tried to deliver humanitarian aid. I suspect the groups pushing these theories are the usual suspects in the international arena, with the same typical goal of creating chaos anywhere the US is or could be involved.

      Would be to unironically invade and annex Haiti and rule over it with some kind of foreign administrated police state for like 60 years. It's a complete and total failed state and no amount of foreign aid or sponsoring military juntas is going to reverse that situation.

      There's lots of 'good' security reasons to annex Haiti based on their proximity to the United States and the fact that so long as they're in a state of chaos their problems will continue to spill out into America, and I supposed DR. But then what can be extracted from Haiti to essentially finance the project? I'm not aware of any spectacular resources in Haiti, their low-human capital is the whole reason they're in this mess, and tourism isn't going to be profitable until the situation is resolved. That's the real question.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There isn't anything of value in Haiti, that's the problem. The soil is ruined, the forests are long gone, and there's 0 mineral resources. The only thing the land would be good for is the world's largest landfill/radioactive waste dump.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The only thing the land would be good for is the world's largest landfill/radioactive waste dump.
          Not with how unstable that geological area is, at least for radioactive material. Nuclear waste dumps and natural disasters aren't great together.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullshit. There's a whole continent where that was tried over and over again, and it just has one result: The coons take over, resent the whites who tried to civilize them, kill the whites stupid enough to stay and then once all the whites are gone their country falls apart again.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >it's another white man's burden situation
      yeah no, they can die in their shithole
      No reason to do and pay all that only for these frickers to cry much later about muh ebil colonisation

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You really think the only problem with Iraq and Afghanistan was that it lasted 1/3rd of the time it needed to? That if we just held out another 40 years everything would have been solved? Lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't work in the long run
      Look at south africa...

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. FAEBs

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know quite a few Haitians that emigrated to the US because of all of the crime etc, and in general they're really good people but the decent ones have basically given up on trying to sort out their country and the ones that can leave, left long ago.

    It truly is a failed State. Another thing that's interesting about Haiti is that any time the U.S. even starts having discussions to do something about it (at the State Dept or Congressional level), a massive wave of disinformation kicks in.

    Usually it's in the form of pushing conspiracy theories about how the US is going to "invade" Haiti. It even happened after the Earthquake when the USN tried to deliver humanitarian aid. I suspect the groups pushing these theories are the usual suspects in the international arena, with the same typical goal of creating chaos anywhere the US is or could be involved.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Usually it's in the form of pushing conspiracy theories about how the US is going to "invade" Haiti. It even happened after the Earthquake when the USN tried to deliver humanitarian aid.

      I became attuned to the ziggers and their lies for the first time because of that.

      t. was an active duty Marine at the time, knew several guys who were in Haiti

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BDU blouse with Marpat helmet
        cool as frick

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Serious question, how significantly less fricked would Haiti be today had the Clinton Foundation not grifted off the tragedy only to then run off with the donation money while doing frick all nothing of significance to help the people struggling there? That plus the whole Halliburton thing and their incompetence and mismanagement that could warrant it's own thread entirely.
      I remember how the original plan was to build a bunch of concrete dome houses that would be resistant to future earthquakes thus greatly reducing poverty but that never materialized nothing did and then the UN stepped in and somehow made things even worse by causing Cholera outbreaks.

      WTF is even in Haiti that's worth annexing? The cost of having to babysit them greatly outweighs whatever minerals they've got and we already have plenty of Caribbean islands.

      If they can unfrick somalia, they can unfrick haiti

      >If they can unfrick somalia, they can unfrick haiti
      You mean Somaliland a northern separatist state that got tired of greater southern Somalia's bullshit? That's a UAE and Indian protectorate lass I checked, the US is stationed south still trying to wipe out Al-Shabaab with the assistance of Kenya.
      Somalia is gonna remain a pretty heavily fricked country for a long time thanks to Mohammed Siad Barre and Ethiopia for being even bigger dipshit commiegays and starting a war that no one won with each other.

      For now they've committed remarkably few war crimes.

      >For now they've committed remarkably few war crimes.
      Tell that to Tibet.

      Seal off their entire country and pretend they don't exist.

      Boats exist anon and they'll bring their problems to us. Frankly trying to fix Haiti makes a lot more sense than say occupying countries like Afghanistan for several decades even though they're on the other side of the world and more or less are Pakistan's and India's problem and to be frank I'd argue Pakistan is someone even more of a failed state than Afghanistan is, technically they've been so since day one really.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ethiopia

        For a long time before the Ethiopian civil war I would see articles about which countries in Africa are destined for the brightest future in the continent, and Ethiopia always got plenty of attention. Then the civil war happened, most news about war crimes and ethnic tensions and other causes for why the conflict started. After the war calmed down, mostly articles about the current leader being a wanting to go full strongman mode in the way of leasing the port in Somaliland (despite it being internationally unrecognized separatist state) and tensions of between Ethiopia and Egypt over the Nile dam. Seriously, what the frick happened?

        South Africa doesn't get much positive news either, and while Nigeria has its own problems, it's portrayed with a more hopeful future thanks to its sheer economic value and massive young population. Both countries' recent elections were unironically pretty interesting to follow.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Diversity and multiculturalism are pretty ugly when you can't print money out of thin air to smooth over resource disputes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What resource does Haiti have?
        Unironically one of their biggest exports is scrap metal. They wuz garbage kangz

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >al shabab

        Unlike the gangs in haiti who have total rein in Port Au Prince and the paulice couldn't do shit, Al shabab is effectively driven out of major cities and towns and were forced into hidings in the desert or some hamlets (and even then the us would bomb them if they try something funny). It's also doubly more impressive as unlike those haitian gangs who are basically glorified crips tier hood, al shabab have access to heavy crew served weapon (Dushka, SPG-9, mortars, ZSUs) and didn't just run around with cheapo polymer AR15 and hi points

        Somalia is still not out of the dog house for sure but living in mogadishu would definitely be a much better proposition than living in Port au Prince rn. Sure there are corruptions and other problems associated with backward thirdies but as the violence subsided reconstruction of the country can finally be made

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >look up haiti
      >see literal communist propaganda
      amazing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bottom of page 2

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          should be 200

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Does Google even have pages anymore?
          Thought it got enshittified with infinite scroll

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        InSight Crime is unironically a great source.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        news in LatAm often features RT conspiracy theories as mainstream news. the “haiti being invaded” thing the other anon mentioned by the USA was spoken as fact by many leaders in Central and South America at the time. i recall Mexico and Venezuela literally condemning USA for trying to provide Haiti with aid after the earthquake.

        like this

        https://i.imgur.com/3EkL1Pf.jpeg

        >Usually it's in the form of pushing conspiracy theories about how the US is going to "invade" Haiti. It even happened after the Earthquake when the USN tried to deliver humanitarian aid.

        I became attuned to the ziggers and their lies for the first time because of that.

        t. was an active duty Marine at the time, knew several guys who were in Haiti

        anon, that was actually also my first time realizing something was very odd about the representation of USA intervention. the main reason LatAm is shit and will never change is because of our leaders are willing to eat lies than face the truth.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      So we should just enact a total blockade and sink any vessels even approaching US waters from Haiti, and shoot any Haitians attempting to cross the border on sight.

      I'm a moderate btw

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seal off their entire country and pretend they don't exist.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not yet. Let them cook.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hundreds of UH-60 with gatling guns

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they can unfrick somalia, they can unfrick haiti

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If they can unfrick somalia
      They can't though. Somalia remains fricked

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not since the last 7,8 years they're not. Al shabab is reduced to a bunch of brigands holding out in the countryside that only resorts to car bombs and even then the cases is getting fewer y.o.y
        They no longer hold out Mogadishu and other important towns and cities and the military is conducting regular raids on al shabab with helps from AU/US

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          From the few youtube video I saw it's still a shithole but when compared to Haiti I guess in Somalia people there can at least expect somewhat better future and can focus their effort in rebuilding their lives. Meanwhile in Haiti you'd be lucky if you made it alive by sundown to simply repeat the same squid game shit all over again tomorrow

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can't unfrick somalia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Somalia actually has a history of existing as at least a semi-functional collection of countries (albeit it's struggled as one). It just got fricked badly under Siad Barre (Ogaden War, Isaaq Genocide, etc.).

      Haiti's history before 1804? Being a literal slave colony of France. That's it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are free to be wrong, but this is peak combat aesthetic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You are free to be wrong, but this is peak combat aesthetic.

          Why I would be wrong? You're objectively right.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but it means no more haitians above the land though.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically just let the DR bomb them already

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Send in a bunch of drones to record events and then sell the footage for profit.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get the French to sort out the mess they created.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SOVL

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I went out on a date with a Haitian American chick last night. Extremely smart, funny. It's amazing how fricked the country is. Black person is a state of mind, not a genetic trait.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Black person is a state of mind, not a genetic trait.
      least deranged Black personlover

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Black person is a state of mind

      A old head I used to work with used to say this all the time he would say “ that were two kinds of Africans the Black person and black people” I never realized what he meant by that until I got older. He used to also say that “rap music was a creation of the CIA and FBI to keep the black man down” he was a lot more based than I realize at the time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed there are plenty of white Black folk. Reality is everyone with an IQ below 85 should be sent to out meat wave Russians.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >owing a loan since the 1790s because you only make the minimum payments every month
    Shiggy diggy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >going into debt so hard that you have to verify if we're still counting in trillions or if we're already in the quadrillions, because totally these kinds of numbers are a sign of a healthy economy and good financial conduct

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >going into debt so hard that you have to verify if we're still counting in trillions or if we're already in the quadrillions, because totally these kinds of numbers are a sign of a healthy economy and good financial conduct

      Something that get overlooked whenever this topic comes up is that it wasn't France's idea that Haiti had to pay reparations, it was Haiti's idea, France just refused Haiti request to recognize Dominican Republic as haitian territory, which made Boyer angry, but France didn't give a flying frick about what Haiti was doing until Boyer began threatening them.
      Boyer shot himself in the foot trying to play conqueror and diplomatic, France responded with "You can be independent but you pay a fine, or we come back and retake our colony" situation

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > You can be independent but you pay a fine, or we come back and retake our colony
        I think it's time to call France's bluff.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The debt was sold to New York bankers in 1922.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Either blockade it off or go full 1984 for 10 years and practically decimate the populace in the process.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Its gonna have to be way more than 10%

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have we tried singing We Are The World again?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand what you mean? a solution implies a problem, who's problem is Haiti, other than Haitians?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They overthrew their white masters to forge their own destiny.
    They've got what they fricking deserve.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The kids voted for icecream for dinner, and now they have a tummy ache.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In what world is the overthrow of the most brutal kind of slavery comparable to “wanting ice cream for dinner” you moron?
        Haitian sugar cane farming made cotton plantations look like a Disney fricking vacation. Unlike antebellum US slavery, where chattel slaves were considered valuable property like livestock and treated reasonably well, slaves involved in sugar cane processing were worked to death and replaced by fresh slaves.
        Imagine not having respect for slaves who had the balls to violently take their freedom. Dipshit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's everything they did afterwards that's the problem.
          >We're free now!
          >Let's kill anyone that's "too white"!
          >Okay that's done, now let's redistribute all their land to people that don't fricking know how to farm!
          >Huh that's not working, let's kill everyone who's "too white" again!
          >what do you mean the economy is collapsing?
          >Just invade the Spanish side of the island, that should fix things.
          >What do you mean their militias beat our army that massively outnumbered them? Do it again, with more conscripts this time!
          >Frick.
          >Well, guess we're not only an international pariah now, but we've crashed the economy with no idea how to fix it, pissed off our closest neighbor forever, and still don't know how to do anything but subsistence agriculture (poorly at that).
          >I'm gonna loot whatever I can and get while the getting is good
          >Repeat last bit for the next 2 odd centuries

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >subsistence agriculture
            >poorly at that
            Not even, because whoever manages to grow crops gets robbed by everyone else so no one tries and since no one is growing anything they just eat dirt, consume whatever pity slop they receive from the UN and breed more kids that eat more dirt- ad infinitum.
            They would likely be happier if they were shipped back to Africa.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Part of me as always wondered if Haiti would be less of a cluster frick today if the other revolutionaries hadn't stabbed Toussaint Louverture in the back. I feel like he'd have put a halt to Dessalinee's idea of capping off the revolution with "Kill whitey (Except the poles)". I mean most people at the time realized that it was a terrible idea, but nobody was in a position to tell Dessalinee no when he went town to town to make sure his orders to genocide all non-polish white people were carried out. France would probably still frick them with the reparations but at least Haiti would be less likely to be constantly fricking themselves so hard. Plus other countries might have actually been willing to trade with them. I think they'd probably still be piss poor but they'd be doing better than Africa-tier.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly when Britain abolished slavery they probably would have been a natural protector/trading partner. Haiti probably would have wound up controlling all of Hispanola after Spain ceased being a global power, and would likely have ended up in a similar state as Jamaica, Trinidad, and Tobago. Maybe even more prosperous, because after the Civil War the US would absolutely have looked to get into the markets, send freed slaves, etc.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw you will never live in the timeline where America resolved the civil war peacably by manumitting all slaves to haiti

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >"Kill whitey (Except the poles)"

              Didn't they kill them too though?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, the French tried to use Polish and Ukrainian mercenaries to suppress them telling them that it was innocent French farmers being oppressed. When they saw how the French acted they immediately rebelled and joined the Haitian rebels.

                The first Constitution of Haiti has a 'no white people' clause but has a additional 'Poles ect are legally black' clause as well to respect them. Also one of their most important religious figures is the Irish pagan goddess Bridget who is the wife of their god of the dead.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"Kill whitey (Except the poles)"

                Didn't they kill them too though?

                Part of me as always wondered if Haiti would be less of a cluster frick today if the other revolutionaries hadn't stabbed Toussaint Louverture in the back. I feel like he'd have put a halt to Dessalinee's idea of capping off the revolution with "Kill whitey (Except the poles)". I mean most people at the time realized that it was a terrible idea, but nobody was in a position to tell Dessalinee no when he went town to town to make sure his orders to genocide all non-polish white people were carried out. France would probably still frick them with the reparations but at least Haiti would be less likely to be constantly fricking themselves so hard. Plus other countries might have actually been willing to trade with them. I think they'd probably still be piss poor but they'd be doing better than Africa-tier.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatien-Marie-Joseph_de_Vimeur,_vicomte_de_Rochambeau

                Son of Rochambeau from the US revolution and the main reason Haiti hates white people, Dirlwanger but without the swag.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rochambeau was a bastard and definitely stirred up anger but I think most of the blame is on Dessalinees. There were some killings before he started showing up in person but even all the shit people like Rochambeau did wasn't enough to get the average Haitian to initially follow Dessalinees's orders to kill their white neighbor. It took Dessalinees showing up in person and threatening them to actually kick off the mass murder.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all the shit people like Rochambeau did wasn't enough to get the average Haitian to initially follow Dessalinees's orders to kill their white neighbor.

                He brought hundreds of mastifs trained to attack blacks on sight and invented a form of execution called 'blasing a blacks ass' where the prisoner was placed naked in stocks, a pound of gun powder was inserted in his anus and lit with a fuse. Many of them survived for days succumbing to shock and burn injuries.

                He was the lowest scum imaginable, he was disowned by his father and Washington whom he fought along side with as his fathers aid.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is he the OG historical buckbreaker?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Many of them survived for days succumbing to shock and burn injuries.

                Not with a whole fricking POUND of gunpowder they didn't

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently the vast majority just poofs out and burns outside le bum making a dramatic fireball, it was intended as a public spectacle after all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, they were armed to the teeth and helped them out.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think France would even have the gall to ask for reparations if Haiti didn't chimpout.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You left out the bit where the US Marine Corps invades amd runs the place for 20 years, providing the period of greatest stability and growth since 1804

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The revolution wasn't even started by slaves rising up, but by the conditions of the French Revolution. The French revolutionary government granted freedom to all slaves in May 1791, but white planters in Saint-Domingue refused to comply with. So a force was sent to free the slaves and arm them to fight the local nobility. this then was basically taken over by a few Haitian generals who then trained the former slaves into a decent enough fighting force to defeat whatever little resistance they encountered
            Four decades later the few Haitian officers that had been trained in French and American armies, who then trained the former slaves into a fighting force were dead or very old, and the army's only experience was to suppress rebellions. Foreign observers noted the army that had too many officers, "generals" who were actually civilians with no military training, like General Damien Delva (a wealthy tribunal clerk). The troops were gives guns and uniforms but ignored discipline and tactics. It was an army that could stop a small rebellion, but had more trouble battling a resolute enemy: its men would rather be at home growing food for their families than fighting the Panyols. The constant infighting, backstabbing, and general distrust between high-ranking Haitian politicians and officers did not help.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Napoleon reintroduced slavery in 1801 to make the colony profitable and his attempt to keep da black man down resulted in Haitian independence in 1804

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine giving more than two shits about a “people” that allowed themselves to be conquered and enslaved instead of fighting to the death in their ancestral homeland.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's the fact that the first thing the newly-freed slaves did was steal the plantation owners clothes and reenslave the workforce

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You let all the good ones come to the US for cheap and be able to work low wage jobs/ in demand jobs to help boost the economy.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it isn't a military problem
    Maybe the Canadians could head down there and give them some submissive genes

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, just frick off from it. they'll figure it out or they won't.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Austria was useless with their tech 3
    would´ve died at Warschau

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    blow dem homiez up

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sell the men to Ukraine/Russia as mobiks and the women to China as brides. Then annex & resettle with homesteaders

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Develop a time machine
    Travel back to December 1801 and give the vaccine to the Yellow Fever to Charles Victor Emmanuel Leclerc.
    Simple as.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The solution is obvious.

    >Cancel all debts of the DPRK, remove all sanctions
    >UN provides logistics and pays saleries for 25,000 "peacekeepers"
    >Troops are careful screened to ensure not a singe one speaks French, English or any other conceviable local language
    >Total mandate to restore order and civil government, complete media and internet blackout
    >All supplies delivered off shore
    >Occuptation lasts six months, control handed to civilian government at end
    >If they have to return occupation lasts three years
    >If they have to return a third time sovereignty of Far West Korea and it's 14 remaining living
    citizens is given to the DPRK

    Problem solved.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being the one place on Earth where the statement 'ya'll homies need Juche' is worthy of serious consideration by the International community.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The juche is loose.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Star Date 2473
          >Joint Vulcan/Cardassian/Ferengi archeology team investigates the ruins of a dead pre-warp civilization
          >Some temple ruin whose name translates into 'hotel of doom' in the local language
          >Lifes signs detected behind a 1 meter thick door! It slowy opens and something emerges ...
          >Sir, it appears to some sort of automated air recycling system. That primitive metal tube we see emerging has a internal diameter of 170mms......

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The earthquake was supposed to be a mercy kill so they will not suffer anymore but we 'saved' them.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >air drop small arms, artillery, and boats
    >let them harass everyone in the Caribbean until TND is declared internationally

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Define what you mean by "militarily speaking." Do you mean killing or subjugating the entire population of the country? Yeah, sure, doable. Do you mean a military peacekeeping force merely maintaining order with the expectation of eventually transferring authority back to a civilian government? Genuinely impossible.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    send in the russians

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >militarily
    until one of the groups gets majority support or significant foreign support no, there's no good solutions

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Haiti even bother paying the French reparations if it left them destitute in the end?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the French told them they'd invade the island again. In reality the indemnity paid was justified, Haiti stole a frick ton of productive land and material assets which could have been completely avoided had they had simply rejoined France.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the French told them they'd invade the island again. In reality the indemnity paid was justified, Haiti stole a frick ton of productive land and material assets which could have been completely avoided had they had simply rejoined France.

      French Constitutional tradition explicitly allows for restitution in case of a colony going independent, contrary to English Constitutional law.
      One of the many reason why Anglo tears over French-Canadian independence is especially funny ("well they can fricking leave if they agree to pay their part of the debt!" lol no buddy.)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So basically another reason the whiter parts of Canada should separate from Quebec

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >So basically another reason the whiter parts of Canada should separate from Quebec
          Check your stats mate, besides the Maritimes (and that situation is set to change within the next 2~3 years since they have such low population), Quebec is unironically the whitest part of Canada, and will remain so way beyond every other parts because its the only place with a way to kick out immigrants after the fact for failing to integrate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because if they refused the French Navy would cut them off from the outside world, which would cost everything g instead of most of everything

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Militarily speaking, "Haiti" doesn't require a solution. It already lacks the capacity for violence as state.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nukes

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I say this as an open minded, very tolerant guy:

    Make them a colony again and start from zero, literally nothing can be salvaged from that mess, the entire country was born wrong, even by latin american standards and i say this as a venezuelan

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My math teacher in a public francophone school in Montreal was a Haitian. He was a homierdly Black person with a homierdly temper and homierdly hygiene. I still don't know why we import so many fricking subhumans into the West.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Strategic bombing until all life in Haiti is neutralized.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For what problem? They just want to grill.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They just want to grill.

      But what are they grillin'?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Probably grilled up on meth.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only real solutions for Haiti involve replacing or subjugating the population, neither of which are politically tenable and even if they were there is literally nothing to be gained from it.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Haiti wouldn't be nearly as fricked up if the US and France hadn't extorted a couple trillion worth of capital out of them.
    >oh, but that happened so long ago!
    Yeah, that's why it's a problem now. There's literally a side by side comparison with a country that didn't get fricked over

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Faustin E. Wirkus was an American marine stationed in Haiti during the United States occupation of Haiti (1915–1934). He was reputedly crowned Faustin II, King of La Gonâve, a Haitian island west of Hispaniola, by Queen Ti Memenne of La Gonâve on 18 July 1926, and co-ruled as monarch for 3 years until he was transferred by the United States Marine Corps to the United States mainland in 1929
    >After rescuing a young woman in trouble, he found out that she was Queen Timemenne of La Gonâve. He was welcomed by the population as Timemenne had told them how kind he was to her, and in part, due to the unusual circumstance that he had the same first name as the former emperor of Haiti, Faustin Soulouque, later known as Faustin I ("Faustin the First"), who died in 1867. Somewhat bizarrely, the natives proclaimed him Faustin II in a Voodoo ritual and he ruled jointly with Queen Timemenne for three years. He became known for dispensing ready but gentle justice
    The only solution

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >enlist in 1926 and sent to tropical island
      >stop some nogs from doing weird voodoo shit to some chick
      >it's the queen
      >they make you king because you have the same name as some dude from half a century ago
      >mfw

  52. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Cordon the country off and make a TV show out of the ensuing chaos

  53. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    unironically they could use something like communism. literally just get people farming again so they don't starve even if it is slave labor. This is probably the one use case where communism would improve things.

  54. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I have zero skin in the haitian game but I'm intensely curious. Has this "transitional council" even been able to begin operating? If so... where? The presidential palace collapsed in the earthquake 14 years ago and was never rebuilt. Are they all like, together in a place doing government things? What authority to they actually command if the military and police have functionally collapsed and kenya hasn't arrived yet? where is mr. bbq during all this and what's he doing day to day? Is he basically like a presidential claimant who doesn't recognize the council?

  55. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just shut off food drops, they will eat each other in 2 weeks tops, 1 month 10% left. Brains cooked from the horror of cannibalism.
    Swoop in and mop up with national gaurd level troops, light air cover if any. Nightvision would put you above 95% of their armed men

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Nightvision would put you above 95% of their armed men
      >yfw haitian voodoo cannibals unlock mystical powers and hunt you down to rape your ass in the night

      gg whiteboi

  56. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    haiti is sort of a lost cause, its geographically a shithole

  57. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    blockade permanently

  58. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  59. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, ICBMs carrying nuclear warheads.

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