Is there anything wrong with cheap disposable 3d-printed plastic suppressors for people who shoot low-pressure ammo, rimfire etc, and hunters who are only going to take 1, maybe 2 shots?
So many cans on the market seem to be way overbuilt, which makes sense with how many people like tactical magdumping and because the can takes a year to arrive.
Well, it's a year long wait and $200 stamp for each new suppressor. If you just print one, it's a felony.
The rules around replacing and repairing parts are really confusing too. For example you can't have a bunch of spare wipes but you can replace damaged wipes. So people keep punches to make wipes as needed without having extra laying around. If a repair shop keeps a suppressor overnight, they have to report the repair to the ATF but if it's just in and out, I don't believe they do. So, could you make a serialzed part and just screw on different baffle attachments as long as you made them one at a time? I don't know.
The other thing is if you form-1 a 3d printed suppressor, I don't know what would stop you from remaking it with the same serial number over and over again. How would they know if you destroy the old one each time?
If on the other hand you just want to manufacture illegal suppressors, I have nothing to say about.
Illegal =/= criminal
It's also a crime.
So was the American revolution, and people protesting for voting rights. As long as something is peaceful with no victim, there is no issue.
Please get your 5th booster for the pentavax.
>American revolution
>peaceful
r*dcoats aren't people so
Literally nobody knows if you were to print them and use them on private land if you didn't tell anyone...shut the fuck up
Real crimes have victims.
> malum prohibitum = illegal merely because I said so
suck a dick, nagger
Anything I can get a felony for is a "real crime" that's how it works. Morality != legality anon. There is immoral stuff that's legal and there are immoral laws, always have been.
>Well, it's a year long wait and $200 stamp for each new suppressor
no it isn't. there's nothing physically stopping you therefore you can just do it basically
you need to be 18 or older to post here, noguns kid
>you need to be 18 or older to post here, noguns kid
>t. picrel
invoking rule 2 by itself is not an argument. you can disagree, that's okay, you're wrong. i accept your concession.
i will continue to disregard laws i find personally inconvenient and you will never, ever do shit. soz
nta but you fags say this every thread and maybe even a few of you do but you never, EVER post jack shit. Which maybe is reasonable maybe not, but it does mean you by definition have nothing to contribute, ever. You just show up to declare how you totally do what you want, but if anyone actually asks for any details that could be interesting they're GLOWIES or whatever which is fucking boring anon.
And most of us don't want to, because we want to actually be able to use our cans without thinking about it including for self-defense if it ever came to it. The wait does suck but it's only the worst the first time for each major caliber, and $200 is whatever compared to having a felony sitting around. If I lived in the middle of nowhere Alaska or something then sure maybe I'd have a couple legit ones (which are also vastly nicer than can be easily made by most of us) and then work on making my own otherwise, but it's just not worth it.
it's mostly about sending a message. suppressors aren't really my wheelhouse and i prefer more unconventional stuff but half the battle of getting people to disregard homosexual laws is to minimize their legitimacy by disregarding them yourself. see my home state of NJ, where everyone is in agreement that the 30rd mag ban is gay and as a result the NJSP has received no magazines and you see people at public ranges shooting with them
This is easier for some things than other things though anon. Mags aren't all serial numbered and centrally tracked birth-to-death. There are 12 billion of them or whatever floating around of standard patterns which are all interchangeable. They don't make any difference in perceived used. And state bans don't involve the federal government. ATF doesn't give a shit, so it's purely a local matter. Dunno about NJ specifically but even in states with mag bans lots of them are slaps on the wrist, misdemeanors or simple fines.
Cans are different. If someone breaks into my house, I want to just be able to reach for any gun on hand, and in particular I actively want a suppressor for self defense since I probably do not have earpro plus odds of being indoors and magnifying noise are high. If I shoot whatever on my land or fed forest/blm land or the range nobody will care. If I shoot a person, it will DEFINITELY get at least a basic investigation even if it's a 100% good shoot. They will do a basic chat with witnesses and search for any video/audio and these days cameras and mics are fucking everywhere. I'm sorry, but $200/time is just such a stupid fucking thing to deal with even the tiniest stress over let alone risk turning a completely open/shut self-defense nothingburger into a state+federal felony.
I'm not going to be on some high horse here and claim I've never violated the speed limit in my life or whatever, and there's probably laws I've broken without even knowing. But everyone has their own appetite for risk and NFA is well beyond mine in my own situation. Plus again not like I'm not getting some value anyway, I can't make something like a Maxim 9 or hyperion or flow myself. So I follow the law on that one.
Suppressors that you make yourself additionally aren't serial numbered or centrally tracked. That's one of the biggest benefits of being a noncompliancechad, I don't want to get any unwanted visits from federally-affiliated future corpses when [x tyrannical event] happens and they take a look at that central list to see who has been too free lately
I take live free or die to heart. I do literally whatever I want, you only get one life to do it
To clarify, this mindset will probably change once I have a family or something substantial to lose, but at that point i'm living for someone else and not as much myself so whatever
>Suppressors that you make yourself additionally aren't serial numbered or centrally tracked.
No, my point is that it is therefore obvious and easily legally verifiable that something is illegal or not.
>That's one of the biggest benefits of being a noncompliancechad, I don't want to get any unwanted visits from federally-affiliated future corpses when [x tyrannical event] happens and they take a look at that central list to see who has been too free lately
This is favoring stupid meme shtf larp that never happens vs actual events that can happen. There's a pile of ways an illegal can could get discovered, not by itself generally but in the course of something else. It could be gun related, like self-defense, or it could be entirely unrelated, like you get in a car accident and they get a warrant to search all the vehicles involved and you happened to be on your way to/from somewhere you were shooting.
It never happens until it happens. Do you have any documented cases of either of the things you say are actual events or did you just pull them out of your ass
I accept your concession.
Unscrew it and throw it on the roof after you air the junkie out
Lmao
>Unscrew it and throw it on the roof after you air the junkie out
OK so now you're at two felonies, the illegal can and obstruction of justice on top of that, add a third of perjury as well if you lie about it. Better hope there is zero evidence a suppressor was involved (again, like if there were any witnesses around, or any neighbors with cameras or whatever). All to save jack diddly shit $200.
Take the stick out of your ass and throw it on the roof, too
Lmao
lol the eternal nocans cope and seethe
It is important to post silencers to remind naggers that they can't have anything good
Now that's a tasty meatball, not that a nagger would know
again, underaged posters posting incorrect information is a problem
see
form 1 only takes 60 days max, there is nothing preventing you from form 1 a 3d printed supressor
a 3d printed supressor should last plenty long with subsonic, low pressure ammo.
It's going to be an interesting decade. NFA reform seems as unlikely in the next few decades as it was last few, so status quo will probably rule when it comes to law. But 3D laser sintering and ever more power for CFD and AI is going to keep getting cheaper and more available. At some point the average person will be able to make a can similar to top end ones like the Flow 556 or 762, real metal, but all via form 1. That will be a very interesting day.
The patent holders, and I mean all of them, will put in so much big brother bullshit it will be unbelievable. They will use 3d printed guns and the fear of rogue AI to put in so much oversight that the software will be unusable and/or report back everything that is printed.
Car makers for example do not really make money selling cars. They make most of their money selling parts over the 20 year lifespan of that car, bumper skins, fenders but smaller metal parts to. Car companies have a vested interest in making sure people cant' just print engine parts. I'm sure you can think of 1000 other examples of powerful entities with lobbyists that do everything possible to wreck home manufacturing.
we can jail break iphones and androids and they have way more money than any firearm company.
we will jailbreak 3d printers
Anon you've clearly never actually looked at this stuff before. There is a TON of open source already. It's too late for any sort of control like you describe, for better or worse, nor is it clear how it'd even work without neutering the capability in a way nothing right now does.
Honestly, not sure why there aren't 80% modular suppressors. There must be something in regulation I'm not aware of, I haven't looked into what goes into making one really. All I understand is something integral like the body needs to be serialized.
Why can't they just make you send them an approved form 1, then they give you a thread on hollow tube and some baffles (that you could replace with your own) and the actual mount that they serialize but needs to be "manufactured" by you ie you need to drill out a hole and threads for the base.
There wouldn't be intent to manufacture issues since it would be serialized and you'd literally have a form 1 approval. I know the whole point of 80% was that it gets around background checks and this doesn't get around needing a tax stamp, but it does give you a cheap platform to fuck around on, and under form 1 approval times. 60 days vs 240.
>Honestly, not sure why there aren't 80% modular suppressors. There must be something in regulation I'm not aware of
That's basically what ""oil filters"" were. Any parts for an NFA item that you intend to make into NFA items are also covered. It's not just final assembly. Still need to F1, but a kit SHOULD be ok so long as you F1 before buying it. However
>Why can't they just make you send them an approved form 1, then they give you a thread on hollow tube and some baffles (that you could replace with your own) and the actual mount that they serialize but needs to be "manufactured" by you ie you need to drill out a hole and threads for the base.
Again, you're describing EXACTLY what everyone was doing with kits. Then the ATF suddenly pulled something out of its ass about how those didn't count anymore and weren't ok to F1 which makes zero fucking sense under the NFA. You were doing everything by the book, F1 still pays the stamp and does the checks, and SBR kits are the same fucking thing, you submit F1, get approved, then buy pre-made parts.
But that's the BS rule now until it gets tossed in court, or until a new Administration orders the ATF to do differently.
Sorry I don't pay that much attention to can happenings, been a long year in my state so I've had other shit to worry about. I bought 2 cans and suffered the 8 month wait. I'm not at all surprised someone already had this idea and the ATF already capriciously shut it down. Feds and politicians will do anything but save lives and let people be free.
it's more capricious than normal though and seems more likely to fail in court than other measures they might take. was a weird one to prioritize maybe they just wanted to reduce form volume they had to deal with
You're literally describing the solvent trap kit market up until like 8 months ago bro
Now what everyone is doing is filing the form 1, on it saying they have no plans and have bought no parts, maybe uploading a stock photo of barstock if the ATF wants a photo of the materials, then they buy the tubes and cups and just do the kit anyway lol
>there is nothing preventing you from form 1 a 3d printed supressor
Sure there is.
My absolute disdain for the atf and all
>I don't know what would stop you from remaking it with the same serial number over and over again. How would they know if you destroy the old one each time?
Ive thought about this alot
Underrated comment, I think it went over people's heads.
me too anon
real good point, that's actually probably one of the most promising "assured" things about it: not that it'd necessarily save you from tax/time, though could be cheaper, but that it'd be essentially an infinite self-repairing can you never had to worry about fucking up since you could remake it
The real reason cans in general are so overbuilt is the regulation itself completely eliminating the lower end of the market. There's no reason to ever buy a cheaply built aluminum baffle or rubber wipe dependant design simply because most people will only ever buy one, maybe 2, and they expect those to last for the rest of their lives. Tubes full of rubber wipes were some of the most effective early designs for spooks doing assassinations and by all accounts they actually work very well for suppression but they're also essentially disposable so nobody in their right mind would pay $200, do the background check, then wait a year for something that's good for MAYBE a mag, tops.
If cans were unregulated every single person would be using flashlights with washers and spacers and a thread adapter to fuck around on the range because even if it kinda sucks at suppression, it still kinda works too and it's cool. 3d printed polymer ones would be everywhere cuz even if it only lasts 2 shots, who gives a shit it was essentially free and you can just throw it in the garbage no sweat. Oil filters on thread adapters would be EVERYWHERE too for the same reason. $3 thread adapter and $20 oil filter and it kinda works ok for a couple range trips, but who gives a shit it looks cool, is fun, and kinda works ok. And you could just throw it out when it's done and get another $20 oil filter.
A century ago you could get this mailed to your door. Compare that baffle design to modern suppressor. The tech has been completely held back by the NFA and it's a tragedy because they really are simply PPE. I was in Finland this winter and talking to an avid hunter (and by Finnish standards massive gun nerd because the dude has 6 guns, including 2 handguns lol) and he showed me his .308 with a can on it. When I commented on the silencer and explained the process to acquire one in the States he was baffled that it would be harder to buy than the rifle.
>he was baffled
Heh. It really is weird how cucked Euro governments are on guns yet they do something far more sensible than us with suppressors.
My euro govt is more relaxed than many US states. And they don't even think suppressor is regulated(?)
Which one, be specific. We've had euro threads before but while there are absolutely more liberal countries on guns when it comes to comparisons with the US there are typically tradeoffs involved in how you can use them as well as ownership. I'm fully willing to acknowledge that some european countries are ahead on cans though.
No it’s not, how about you take a picture of you holding a loaded gun outside your house?
> house
I think you mean apartment.
Only because of so many nimbys who hate loud firearm ranges kek.
>The real reason cans in general are so overbuilt is the regulation itself completely eliminating the lower end of the market.
i think most companies make suppressors with the hopes of getting a government contract, which is why they're so durable.
Even the government is going to 3D printed designs made to be disposable.
All this, 100%. The NFA and its implementing has wildly distorted the US market. I will say that the 3D printed stuff at the high end really is damn impressive, but overall yeah huge parts have been eliminated and it sucks. Wipe based designs can also be far smaller and lighter.
Another area NFA has almost entirely nuked is integral which really sucks too. I love my Maxim 9 and going integral has lots of advantages, but there is no market for it because of the NFA.
Given hearing loss is now known to be linked to a host of health and wellness problems in later life (including significantly higher risk of dementia) I wonder how much harm to how many tens of millions of people the NFA has caused in the last 90 or so years.
mostly agree, but wipe suppressors generally have replaceable wipes. there's a few on the us civilian market i think
they're mostly not that common because replacing them is just a hassle imo
also not sure but wipes may affect accuracy or have a point of impact shift at ranges you'd be hunting
The entire unspoken reason for all the bans and regulations is:
>to prevent assassinations of corrupt/complicit politicians and authorities
Straight up. There is no other logic reason for it. And that tells you all you need to know about the priorities and qualities of your leaders.
nah back then it was about poaching on rich people's property not that that is much better
>Tubes full of rubber wipes
that's remarkably easy to build.
>every single person would be using flashlights with washers and spacers and a thread adapter to fuck around on the range
you're crazy anon nobody would ever do that
Not at all terrifying. Oh for a simpler time.
>If cans were unregulated, every single range would require suppressors so people wouldn't need to wear earpro.
Fixed
>>If cans were unregulated, every single range would require suppressors so people wouldn't need to wear earpro.
>Fixed
Nah, though I bet there'd be "can-only" days. But lots of beloved old guns aren't threaded and are historical pieces in their own right people don't want to modify, people enjoy authentic historical kit from to time, etc. So there'd always be popularity for normal anything-goes range time. The only ranges that would flat out require suppressors would be those in more built-up areas where zoning or whatever made the noise an issue for neighbors. But even then most places would only require it after certain hours or on certain days. Like I can think of a few ranges around here that have been involved in various lawsuits around gun noise and have struck deals like "no shooting after 4:30pm until 8am during the work week", if instead they could go "cans required after 4:30pm" that'd be better for everyone.
>historical pieces
>don't want to modify
The repros of Maxims and their (clamp on?) adapters would probably solve it, especially if you used a silencer drilled oversized (think .30-.50 cal on a .22). There's a bunch of old .22s I'd like to throw a silencer on and don't want to thread but a baffle strike from a non-concentric adapter (or adapter's screws backing out) would be devastating given the current NFA laws. I have one old .22 that's really beat I'd love to get threaded once I see how well it shoots as is. If we could buy cheap ass $50 silencers same day out the door I'd definitely be up for clamp on adapters.
Sure there would be more options, but even so I don't think EVERY range would require suppressors all the time, I mean shit, lots of ranges are just public land areas like old sand pits and literally have no RSO, no nothing, you just go and shoot whatever legal whenever. And I'm sure some people just want the big bang whether it fucks their ears or not. So there'd be suppressor-only times/days/ranges as options but also lots of traditional anything-goes ones imo. Of course, even having the choice would still be a huge improvement.
>Ask me how I know you've never used a suppressor lol
Not disagreeing with you given the post you're replying to, which was wrong. But that said fwiw suppressed subsonic 300bo or 22lr can get pretty damn quiet with the right platform, pic related. If you were by yourself or even if there were a couple others who exclusively had it you could probably do without earpro.
But at any real range more likely there'd be others firing supers or shotguns or something and yeah then still want earpro. Though everyone could get away with lighter stuff, and there'd be more protection anyway, and more margin for if someone was a retard and forgot or didn't have it fit properly. Unregulated suppressors would still be a big improvement.
You're confusing me with the other anon; I'm just saying it would give more options. I wouldn't think it would mean ranges would require silencers; too many old hunting rifles out there. Shit, there's a surprising amount of NEW rifles that for some ungodly reason don't have ANY option for a threaded model (which pisses me off!).
>Shit, there's a surprising amount of NEW rifles that for some ungodly reason don't have ANY option for a threaded model (which pisses me off!).
Fuddism I guess, or else just lazy and they want to make a single barrel nationwide including for states where threaded barrels are illegal? I dunno.
What really bugs the shit out of me is when you have to choose between the normal wood stocked (original) model and the MUH COOL THREADED PLASTIC FANTASTIC MUH RAILS MUH MLOK HANDGUARD OP3R80R model finished in ONLY THE UGLIEST CERAKOTE COLOR YOU'VE EVER SEEN ($350 additional over standard model). Why the fuck can't I have the normal blued wood stocked model with a threaded barrel? It boggles the fucking mind. Can't give an example now but they're out there.
Yeah I know what you're talking about. The industry definitely seems to have become unfortunately kind of rigid/typecast in thinking that certain things are "only for certain types of buyers", at the expense of doing nice fusions of old and new. Not just cans, lots of stuff seems to be thrown into either the "grandpa fudd ultra traditional" or "mall larper tacticool" buckets. It's been mentioned in some of the bullpup threads for example what a shame it is that there are no decent wood options despite some cool ones existing in the past like pic related. I agree with you that I'd love some more fusions, some elegant nice wood and lines but also a few modern niceties like threaded barrels. I do have plenty of polymer stuff but often because that's it, that's the only choice.
Hopefully eventually we start to see a bit of movement on that one.
>wouldn't need earpro
Ask me how I know you've never used a suppressor lol
Skip the Maglite. Give me a fleshlight.
strong fleshlight vibes
Yes anon, it actually exists one you can print so you can have a silenced pp kek.
in my euro govt you can buy as many bump stocks and silencers ard what fucking ever to even semi auto assault rifles. U.S. is not numba one.
Post your guns
You don’t own any guns
No printer needed friendo.
how is that glowing retard. this is a diy can thread
let him, he is just trying to fit in
i just really wish we could have conversations about this sort of thing without some mongoloid shitting up the thread with GLOW GLOWING YOU GLOWIE
i would say a solid 70% of idiots repeating that don't even know who terry was
>bought two 40€ .22 cans online
>directly shipped to my door in couple days
>they suck and silence bad
>into the trash they go I guess
mfw euro
i once bought expensive 200€ .22lr suppressor, i kept moving POI almost everytime i shot it, apparently hole was too small, i bought one 50€ locally made by some old guy with lathe, it did not have shift in POI at all, and ever since i have been buying his products
Any can under 500 euro is a waste of money
I've messed around with printing and designing 3D suppressors but every time they performed poorly. The issue was they just couldn't withstand the heat and after just barely reduced anything at all. If they are directly connect to the barrel, they will melt pretty quickly. The only time it has lasted long is when I used it on a 10/22. If you make or use an adapter it will last a bit longer but still fail over time.
Though there is a way to make em last longer and that's by using carbon fiber nylon filament, rather than PLA+. That type of material can withstand heat pretty well before it fails too. The downside is that the filament is expensive and it'll destroy your nozzles so you need hardened steel nozzles and it takes a reaaallly long fucking time to print - like an entire day since it needs to have a lot of infill - so it'd be cheaper and less time consuming to use an oil can like others here mentioned.
There are still people trying to make this shit work tho. Some came up with the idea of making a 3D printed mold and filling it with resin. Gives a cool see-thru design AND it actually is pretty functional from what I've heard. Haven't tried it tho.
Best use case for 3d printed suppressors would be low profile concealable one time use and disposable preferably something that you can wrap with immobile trash like a chip wrapper to make look like garbage
My idea would to add an m00 in the gcode for the installation of handcut circular wipes out of 1/2” gasket material
Almost nobody seems to do it but for pure defense use wet cans work incredibly well, and might even make a 3D printed one in polymer acceptable for a handful of shots. Rather than rubber wipes just fill it with dielectric grease or the like, put a bit of tape over each hole.
You should try some of the hybrid designs then.
Definitely. I'm sure those would actual last way longer. The only issue would be how long it takes to print still, but if you aren't in a rush I don't see any issue with it printing while you're at work.
Nice fleshlight, bro
the tech has come a lot further than rimfire. there are designs using PLA+ reinforced with epoxy and tape that can handle auto 9mm mag dimps. look up the ftn.2
print in metal and then sinter it in an oven
>overbuilt
lmao it's a pot metal tube
> stainless 17-4 or 316
> potmetal
dude, you have no idea.
not to mention
>inconel
>titanium
nocans are dumb
>anything wrong
Totally in violation.
Kind of curious how long they last, my guess would be explode on the first shot.
totally depends on the caliber.
Even 22LR out of a long barrel is going to dump a couple of hundred PSI into the can.
yes, at very very close to the muzzle, and for an extremely short period of time, the expansion portion drops the pressure further. there are 3d printed 22 cans that survive numerous shots and I think even ones with 9mm cores.
If you fire at full auto the gas pressure usually causes the threading at the barrel to fail and/or a layer blowout. At a more moderate rate of fire you won't see any real degradation before 1000 rounds.
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Interesting, thanks anon I honestly thought the pressure would just pop it instantly.
They don't, at least for .22LR full pressure.
Handgun is more dicey, but it is improving.
You can probably fuck that.
If it wasn't for ridiculous laws in multiple countries there would be nothing wrong with disposable cans. In Euro countries people probably do it all the time.
Make it from structural steel
I want to fuck the forbidden fleshlight.
>waste 12h to print a single use suppressor you can shoot ONE round of 22 short through it
Why?
idiot.
Too much work, OP. Before I moved from North Dakota, I used to be friends with a guy 10 years ago who used to take plastic cola bottles, stuff them with steel wool and then take a cheapo A2 flash hider and cram it into the bottle opening. An A2 flash hider will *perfectly* go into the plastic bottle and have enough friction that it will stay mounted. The A2 flash hider simply provided threads so it could be screwed onto a gun.
Sometimes he'd drill a tiny hole on the end and other times he'd just shoot .22lr through it and let it open up on it's own. It looked unbelievably stupid but it worked. Extremely quiet. I remember he once tried it with 9mm. It worked but the POI was fucking awful, lol. Like, it was shooting 1 foot to the left at 15 yards.
But for .22lr it was fine. Lasted about 30-40 rounds if I remember correctly. I tried it a couple times and it actually made me want the real deal. So instead of making them from plastic and steel wool, I went and bought my first few cans from SiShop and have been hooked ever since. I'm not advocating that you do this but for several of guys in that friend group, that was their first time hearing what a suppressed .22lr sounded like.
I don't drink sodas but it was this size bottle. Aren't these like 16 or 20 oz or something? Who knows.
Based.
think you forgot your image though.
But yeah it's a damn shame so many people just have never even encountered it and thus don't even know how they work. Suppressors have grown in popularity a lot just in the last decade, 10-20 years ago even sales and options were a tiny fraction of what they are now, so some of the old fuddlore (like them making guns less accurate lol) has faded, but it's still a shame many have not merely never used one but never even been to a range with one. Of course there's still 8 states that ban them completely.
Falling cost and increasing ease has helped somewhat as well. Given inflation, $200 in the 90s even would have been like $400-500 in today's money. In 1980 it would have been around $800. Stamp price keeps effectively going down every year. And not having to deal with ink finger prints each time anymore is also sure convenient. Of course by the same token wait times used to be way, way less.
Yes. Things should be made to last You loser fuck
The main benefit of 3d printing suppressors is that it opens up baffle design that would be nigh impossible for even a well equipped machine shop.
Like pic-rel. Good luck machining anything like that.
Practically speaking their kind of dumb. Even if one is a europoor. Threads don't print well, they generally require annealing, filament that isn't PLA+, setting in a thread adapter, and some other type of reinforcement, unless all you want to suppress is .22lr.
Then you do all that shit you still end up with a can that is still only good for low-volume handgun fire. So even in a FMDA sort of way its really dumb. Neat tinker toy,, not a very useful tool.
I saw some guy made a can from scratch, threaded the tube, machined the baffles, all on a Sherline 4000 lathe. The thing is the size of a shoebox and cost less than 1k.
So if your europoor then cheap ass aluminum cans work better and last longer for marginally more money, if your ungovernable than really what you want is to learn to machine shit.
If metal 3d printing gets to the point where a machine can be had for like 2-5k, we'll be singing a different tune.
>The main benefit of 3d printing suppressors is that it opens up baffle design that would be nigh impossible for even a well equipped machine shop.
>Like pic-rel. Good luck machining anything like that.
Yeah exactly. In some ways feels like that's only getting started too. The 3D metal printing now can do anything, so eventually people are probably going to mix CFD with adversarial AI and just throw compute at it to iterate through billions of designs and figure out what's the quietest, then just print the output.
>If metal 3d printing gets to the point where a machine can be had for like 2-5k, we'll be singing a different tune.
Hell, if it can be had for 5 figures even. At current prices you can go above 10k easily on suppressors, and no reason it needs to be one machine per person. Have one per gun club or a bunch of neighbors even, divide the cost by 20-100 people, everyone gets to print their F1s. Even if it takes an entire day to print a can that's still hundreds per year.
Although I suppose the F1 system will also get swamped at that point and probably wait times will extend just like with F4s now.
I bet all of those small passages are totally clogged after a couple thousand rounds, maybe less than 500 subsonics.
You bet wrong. The whole point of the design actually is to provide decent suppression while significantly reducing backpressure and letting the majority of gas flow through and out. They've all got anti-stick coatings as well. They're good for thousands of rounds. That said sure like anything else they will get some residue eventually, but you just dunk 'em in CLP, let it sit for a day then drain and shoot it out. No big deal.
The only real limit is that if it's titanium have to be somewhat careful about heat. I don't think any of the ti cans are full auto rated for that reason, would need to get an inconel version.
is there an engineering reason for cans to be welded together instead of being able to unscrew them to easily clean the baffles?
>More material is heavier
>Threads can be fucked up by the end user
Imagine spending all of that money and waiting all that time, and getting something unservicable.
Or even worse, something not quiet KEK
>Imagine spending all of that money and waiting all that time, and getting something unservicable.
>and getting something unservicable.
https://huxwrx.com/warranty
>Limited Lifetime Warranty
>FLOW series suppressors are able to be repaired in most instances.
yeah
Also as a practical matter 3d printed stuff can't have baffle misalignment which is the primary cause of baffle strikes.
why are you showing off your custom fleshlight inserts
i want to put mu peeeenis in that!