I don't mean intermediate, but full power rifle. Are they just a meme? I can't think of a single reason you'd have one over a 5.56 or .300 Blk pistol.
Is there any point to a rifle caliber pistol?
I don't mean intermediate, but full power rifle. Are they just a meme? I can't think of a single reason you'd have one over a 5.56 or .300 Blk pistol.
Semi automatic mag fed flashbang
If it’s a round meant to be subsonic, no real reason to have a such a long barrel. Something like 8.6 blackout in a 9-12” barrel is very practical/handy.
We may as well have a subsonic 50cal bullet.
Wouldn’t be impossible, would just be a lot more work. 8.6 Blackout is cool because it’s fully interchangeable with a .308 AR-10 with just a barrel change and some other minor tweaks. It fits in standard mags to full capacity with no modification as well.
Ever heard of 458 socom, or .50beowulf? This idea has been done before multiple times. You're falling for a scam.
half of the people on this site get all their experience from garand thumb
Ian from Forgotten Weapons is the primary shiller of 8.6blk right now.
>It's not new
How does that make it a scam? Does a caliber's performance depend on whether or not it's new idea?
It's just another startup, wildcat caliber that claims it's something new under the sun. The way it's trying to ride on the coattails of 300blk is rather deplorable.
>It's just another startup, wildcat caliber that claims it's something new under the sun
Yeah, sure, I get that it's nothing new and nothing special, but why does that make it bad? Is this some kind of emotional reaction, like you don't like their marketing tactics?
You misunderstand, friend. I agree that the weapon configuration is a bit pointless. But that's because of the numbers like you stated, not because "its not new". I wasn't disagreeing with anon's conclusion, I was disagreeing with his reasoning.
why would anyone want AR15 performance in an AR10 package? it does the same thing except its bigger, heavier and more expensive. except, of course, they are just cloutchasing hypebeast subhumans?
nta but he probably means that this newest trendy tacticool cartridge is unlikely to be much better than previous iterations of the same concept, and will fall into obscurity as they did before it. spending a bunch of money to go all-in on some new meme round will invariably leave you with a bunch of kit sitting around when everyone jumps ship to the new 9.3 cbt which offers 4.73% better bc, beginning the cycle again.
Oh, if that's what he meant I agree 110%.
My collectors interest is late 19th century and early 20th century British sporting arms. I've got $$$ out of print books documenting obscure hunting cartridges from the turn of the century....and many of them are little different from crap that came out in the 90's and are just as forgotten today. Cartridges are a never-ending game of reinventing the wheel. Maybe I could rename the .350 Rigby Magnum the 8.89 Thunderchad and take over the market? I mean, the marketing sells itself. Every gamer knows that 8.89 must be better than 8.6 because it's a bigger number, right?
I know you jest, but some of those older sporting and military cartridges just might be worth iterating upon. If I ever pass by a box of 8.89 Thunderchad, I'll buy it just for you.
Take any old belted magnum cartridge, lose the belt, ackley the shoulder a little, and load a high bc bullet and you've got the new hotness. I'm looking forward to getting a 7 PRC rifle as a product improved 7mm rem mag.
There’s nothing 7prc can do that handloaded 7mm rem mag with a custom reamed barrel can’t do zoomer
It can feed 180gr ELD from a magazine for one, and belted cases are annoying.
I don't mind wildcats, I already handload and have a bunch of 7mm projectiles. Having more room to play with heavier bullets without having to go full barrel burner 28 Nosler is appealing. If by comparable performance you mean that 7x57 is capable of launching the same projectiles 400 fps slower, then sure.
I don't know anon, that 7mm PCR might go the route of the subsonic meme cartridges we were just discussing. At a certain point, isn't putting r&d into better projectiles a more worthwhile endeavor than yet another wildcat/fly-by-night? I'm not convinced that a top-tier 7x57 handload couldn't offer comparable performance.
Have to get a new bolt for both of them if you were using a standard 5.56 BCG. 8.6 will drop into standard AR-10 with minimal modification. I’d imagine the 8.6 has slightly better ballistics as well. .458 and .50 have it beat on ammo prices though, but it’s all pretty expensive at ~$2/rd. I’m not buying one for a while, just think it’s a cool idea.
We have that. It's the .510 Whisper. Been around for a long ass time, and has amazing long range performance because it uses super high BC bullets developed for .50 BMG.
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tbh a g3sd in 8.6 would be kinda dope
But what is the practical purpose?
Posting pics of your 8.6 chimpout on the 'gram.
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>barrel is very practical/handy.
for what that any of the subsonic ar15 options aren't better for?
It’s an AR-10 platform. Shooting ~300 grain .338 projectiles with some crazy 1:3 twist so they can reliably expand at the subsonic velocity. Ian had a pretty good video within the past week, the projectiles expanded to around an inch. Solids also penetrate several feet of ballistic gel, pretty crazy for a subsonic round.
no it's not. subsonic 458Socom expands to larger or will sail through as much gel as you want to stack in front of it. nobody lauded it for that because nobody is stupid enough to want 8 feet of penetration with a 0.13" permanent wound.
additionally, twist rate has nothing to do with expansion, but thanks for trying.
their advertisements also have dishonest practices, like putting water on the block to make mouth-breathers go
>WOWIE WOWZERS!!!1!1!! MAGIC BUZZSAW GO BRRRRRRRR
Is your pic supposed to be flipped? I get the point you’re trying to make, but the 1:3 has a noticeably bigger cavity.
no it's not you mongoloid. look at how long the magic buzzsaw necks. the total volume is the same because the energy is the same.
>nobody lauded it for that because nobody is stupid enough to want 8 feet of penetration with a 0.13" permanent wound.
until the brown riot start, then 8 feet of penetration with a massive traumatic wound will be highly desirable.
>then 8 feet of penetration with a massive traumatic wound
well you'll have to look elsewhere, 8.6 only icepicks for lots of penetration.
this pic is also not the test of the subsonic round btw
more stawping power than an smg
Not really. I can't speak for all rifle cartridges, but in general they are not designed with very short barrels in mind and lose a lot coming out of very short barrels in terms of ballistic performance.
If for some reason you wanted a more powerful SMG/PDW or handgun round you would be better off designing a round for that or using one of the existing frick-off powerful handgun rounds.
I'm not even sure this is true. You'll tend to needle through things at close range. More energy ≠ more energy efficiently delivered, and in any even there are handgun rounds with muzzle energy easily besting 5.56mm. If you want to meme stopping power, make some sort of .50 SMG for example.
I guess the mag fed part would be new. .50 S&W revolvers already do that though, lol.
If you really want a stupid powerful small weapon there is stuff like the Diablo, pic related. Can't beat dumping two 12 ga into someone for "muh stoppin powa," I suppose.
Recommended loads for those black powder 12g pistols have the energy of a .410.
yeah, to circumvent having to pay 200 bucks to the federal government. In comparison to having a 5.56 or .300blk pistol? More joules coming out of the barrel.
No. It's fundamentally a toy. I suppose USPSA could make another division for it to give zoomers a "legitimate" reason to own obe
i'd give hop my pistol calibre carbine any day of the week
what's the practical purpose of running an 8rd 1911 over a Glock? bigger boom less capacity. a quandary as old as time. your thread sucks mong.
>mong
Why is a Brit talking about guns?
post guns
not bri ish
if you like big bullets and less rounds then get a 308 pistol.
if you're a pansy that needs 21 rounds of 9mm because you're only gonna hit 3 then get a 9mm pcc. simple as.
>what's the practical purpose of a 308 pistol?
to kill it deader
>One of the few threads actually about guns
>your thread sucks mong
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better round, better gun. maybe you should focus on shooting better instead of concealed carrying a crutch
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mostly just memes
He looks like Michael Jackson wtf
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cons: everything
pros: it's more maneuverable dude the seals use it
is...is that the tip of the bullet showing?
yeah
>muh socom/beowulf
If no one has ever even tried to make a double stack magazine for a round, it's not a very serious round.
Isn't 9x39 better than 8.6 blackout? It seems like people are reinventing the wheel.
What makes 9x39 better?
No it’s far worse and specifically 2 guns use it, neither are available to anyone not currently in Ukraine.
Frick off with the fake 'pistols'.
To have a short barrel/small package. You frickin moronic?
Nobody wants to hear about your short barrel and small package.
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You've never used a gun in your life.
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5.56 isn't a pistol round?
It's an intermediate cartridge, not a full power rifle round.