Is there any point in buying a Desert Tech WLVRN?

We all know it got kicked out of the heavily underwrapped SOCOM Bullpup Trials and we only know of Two Competitors at this moment.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any point in buying a Desert Tech WLVRN?
    So PENDING REVIEWS: It's basically an MDR gen3. So the point would be if you already liked the MDR, but were put off by some of them having QC issues, or the weight. The weight savings they made with it are really significant, it's now a very decent br, trigger was already excellent. IF they managed to deal with high variance between loads for accuracy, and if someone doesn't mind losing the FE, then it might be an interesting gun.

    Personally I do like my MDR a lot, and it's one of the ones that works. WLVRN has real improvements, but also kind of let me down though. I was really hoping for a 300bo micron right off, I'm not sure they improved the handguard system enough, and if they were doing a major redesign and dumping the old ones again I'd have liked them to push even harder and figure out their quad stack and really make it worth it. As it stands I see no rush to go replace what I've got. But if someone else tried my MDR at the range and liked it then I'd probably recommend a wlvrn over it unless there was a good used deal.

    Also another negative is not clear if 3rd parties will come along for the ride which was a big strength of the MDR too. DT did frick up on a lot of that imo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kinda surprised no guntoobers or anyone got ahold of one yet. arfcom guys still waiting too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DT might be taking a different approach with the latest rollout of the mdr, quietly roll it out to keep any potential QC issues quiet and approach any media people at a future date.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aww sweet. Shill thread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How did you get "shill" from that you fricking schizo. Do you have any actual arguments?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah is good gun
    I also have the quad stack on my AR and it’s a hoot
    Trex arms released a vid recently that it’s hard to reach ambi release vs a bad lever but maybe it’s just my tiny baby hands I find it very easy to reach

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think most of the manual of arms complaints come from decades of AR muscle memory. Which to be clear definitely matters, but it's not any fundamental problem just something to train through if one wants.

      But while a few have started going out most people I've seen who ordered to really dive into it say not coming for another 2-4 weeks. So still waiting to find out if they really finally got the mdr fully polished and decently accurate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Trex arms.
      KYS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >getting triggered
        Take your own advice.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you watched a video which contained premises you disagreed with ?
        >kys
        What the frick are you talking about, moron?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kys you stupid idiot

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once they ditched the forward ejection it just became a regular .308 bullpup, more plastic edition. I wouldn't spend the money for it. The GT RM277 is a far more feature rich design, it's the General Dynamics NGSW entry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You got a source for any of that OP?

      The True Velocity rifle is vaporware anon, they still have not indicated that they intend on bringing it to the civilian market.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Once they ditched the forward ejection it just became a regular .308 bullpup, more plastic edition
        moron. There is no "regular 308 bullpup", and more to the point the MDR has always been multical. With 3rd party barrels you could do 350 legend in it if you wanted. Ejection was like the least important part, and even for the MDRX you could pick side eject if you wanted and save some weight, which a lot of people did. But it and the keltecs have by far the best triggers of any of them. And all bullpup semiautos have had mediocre accuracy, with the tavors truly shit. Big question is if the wlvrn will fix that.
        >The GT RM277 is a far more feature rich design
        It also doesn't exist, and I say that as someone who was super interested in it. But it's been radio silence on the Genesis or whatever the civ version ended up named for like 2 years now. But even that aside, reviews say it's still a mil shit trigger and exclusive to that caliber and ammo, which is a real downside without the military adoption driving down price. Much less flexible. And we never even got a make believe price tag that I know of.

        There's literally a thread up about the production model. The MDR is plastic, I wouldn't take it serious regardless.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you moronic or simply pretending?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't understand why you would just post such obvious lies on the internet like that.
          >There's literally a thread up about the production model
          There literally is not. The GT thread up is about a prototype, which is covered repeatedly in the video if you actually watched it. The RM277 was not selected unfortunately for NGSW and never went to production. He covers it extra because the barrel on the one he got to try was completely shot out from testing, so he didn't get to evaluate their 2-4moa accuracy goal at all.
          >The MDR is plastic
          No more than the RM277 or most other modern guns are "plastic". the receiver core and upper are all metal. The grip and back outer body are glass fiber polymer sure, but why would that be a problem? They're heavy enough already. Do you whine about wood on guns too you raging homosexual?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >le plastic = bad
          you are a moron, I guess steel is shit too because pot metal exists and both are metal, right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Once they ditched the forward ejection it just became a regular .308 bullpup, more plastic edition
      moron. There is no "regular 308 bullpup", and more to the point the MDR has always been multical. With 3rd party barrels you could do 350 legend in it if you wanted. Ejection was like the least important part, and even for the MDRX you could pick side eject if you wanted and save some weight, which a lot of people did. But it and the keltecs have by far the best triggers of any of them. And all bullpup semiautos have had mediocre accuracy, with the tavors truly shit. Big question is if the wlvrn will fix that.
      >The GT RM277 is a far more feature rich design
      It also doesn't exist, and I say that as someone who was super interested in it. But it's been radio silence on the Genesis or whatever the civ version ended up named for like 2 years now. But even that aside, reviews say it's still a mil shit trigger and exclusive to that caliber and ammo, which is a real downside without the military adoption driving down price. Much less flexible. And we never even got a make believe price tag that I know of.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is never a point in purchasing Deseret Tech products. You are funding a Mormon Polygamy cult in doing so. Get it second hand if you must.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really?
      Thats crazy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking of Robinson Arms and no-one fricking cares.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to fund religious extremism though.
      People who don’t take their religion seriously, whatever it is, are GAY moronS

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish some snake handlers would start a gun company.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Snake handlers fellate the joos tho :^(

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There is never a point in purchasing Deseret Tech products.
      they make neat guns I like nobody else makes
      >You are funding a Mormon Polygamy cult in doing so.
      don't fricking care about you folks arguing which skyfriend is the right one it's all the same. they have been nice and offered good service and make guns so they can't be too bad. mormons never bothered me here in new england.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SOCOM Bullpup trials? QRD?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no its not important because bullPOOPS are all trash that shouldnt exist. come to /arg/ if you want to learn about real guns.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bullpups deserves the rope

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would never support a company of heretic morons who rape their underage siblings in polygamous child marriages

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The people who own this company never did any of that shit you lying frick, members of their extended family did.
      Sick of you higher than thou pearl clutching Black folk repeating this bullshit every desert tech is discussed.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed the ceo’s postmortem on the mdrx. dude knows more about what he’s selling than most executives. I’m open to buying one if reliability longevity etc looks good a year from now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I’m open to buying one if reliability longevity etc looks good a year from now.
      As an MDRX owner I don't think that was the core issue. I've got friends over 10k rounds now and no issues, and of my 2 first has always been fine, second needed a repair but DT was good on it and fine since. QC definitely needed help but also seemed to get tons better last year, but the gun design itself was ok for reliability.

      The problems have been about the gun itself. Shit barrel harmonics in 30cal mean the accuracy is really variable between loads, from ~1moa all the way up to like 5moa. Gun is also heavy, not bad for 30cal but definitely heavy for anything smaller. Handguard system is so-so. Stupid fixed gas block thing and rail section limited options.

      My assumption is with all the parts they got rid of QC will be even better and reliability will remain fine. Fixed block is gone. Weight is reduced. So my question is more if they made it accurate, if they do a 300bo micron, whether other barrel manufacturers come along for the ride, stuff like that. It's expensive and it needs to earn it to be anything but a super niche thing like it was before.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Im fairly confident that theyre going to meet their accuracy goals, their piston redesign coupled with the improved reciever block looks like its promising.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, I'd like to habeeb, and there have been promising signs. They did at least finally acknowledge the harmonics problems, they got rid of the stupid fixed block and rail segment, there has been progress. And frick, not like they don't know how to make accurate guns, at least for bolts.

          But until I see serious reviews I dunno. I'm also genuinely disappointed it didn't launch with a 300bo Micron option, just the old 5.56.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            300blk micron is only a matter of time, now with that stupid block out of the way and not having to accommodate the forward eject mechanism into the requirements for the recoil spring I think theyll have enough tuning room to make it happen.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mean, again, yeah I want that bad. But I find it strange they did this whole big relaunch thing with a new name vs just calling it the MDR3 or whatever, and they didn't have a lot of that stuff ready to go at launch. Dunno, some aspects are cool and solid refinement, but overall I felt oddly let down. The changes should let them do new stuff, but why not wait to launch it until they had it ready, or at least until they could even ship 'em?

              Feels like they rushed things for Show Show, which maybe was necessary I dunno, I'm sure as heck no marketing expert. But result is this slow trickling out and speculation with no results to back it up. I prefer hard launches with more stuff ready day 1 I guess, just my personal taste.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I ordered a wlvrn about 2 weeks ago or so. I emailed them for an ETA and supposedly next month. So if no one has posted anything by then I will definitely post my results as I have a 5-6 types of 7.62x51 laying around to post groups. I've also got a JARD trigger in my micron I plan on swapping over just to rule out trigger when shooting groups

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based contributor anon, will really look forward to it. Even if others are first still nice to have more data points.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fricking glad i saw this thread and posted it. Tombstone tactical had an FDE one on sale for 2400 shipped after tax. I don't know if it was an error or something but I called their office to check. Apparently one of the stores had it in stock. Ordered it and its no longer on site so it should be good. Once I get the shipping info I'll cancel my DT order and will have saved myself like $300. So excited.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Awesome that's a nice little bonus for you.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That gun is OP in insurgency sandstorm.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tbh long as they fixed the utterly FRICKED 308 performance that the MDRX had it's good enough

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mine was .308 and chewed through ~1000 rounds no issue, accuracy wasnt stellar but hey.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah mine has had no issues with like, actually working (though I tried a super high bp suppressor with it out of curiosity and regardless of gas setting it didn't like it much, though maybe would have worn in eventually). And if it was 1/2 to 1/3 the price wouldn't be worried about the accuracy either, 2moa is gudenuf for having fun with. But at that price it should be as good as a quality AR imo, even if competitors like the tavors are as bad or worse.

        The lockup is modified and supposedly holds zero now, but we wont know until we can test it ourselves.

        Thanks anon, that's good to know. Yeah another thing to test.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Best I ever did with my 308 was 1.6moa and that was with one specific ammo, others did worse. And even then POI could wander.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should've extended the top rail to go over the handguard so it would keep zero.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't be necessary with a good enough handguard attachment system like the tavor has either. Since Microns are cool I'd be fine with just a really solid system for that instead. It looks like that didn't change though? But I can't tell if they did anything else to improve it internally. Though the plastic one wouldn't hold anyway so anyone who cared would still have to shell out more for metal on top. Should be aluminum by default.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The lockup is modified and supposedly holds zero now, but we wont know until we can test it ourselves.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          assume nobody has full list of changes/teardowns yet either? first people who got em probably werent gun autists

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heavily underwrapped SOCOM Bullpup Trials
    the what now?

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