Is there any defense against an Anti-Material Rifle?

So I saw this video earlier https://twitter.com/Sultan_Pasa_Beg/status/1793334012456452421
Where Hamas snipers (Using Iranian Am-50 sayyads) are just melting through Israeli Soldiers and I was just wondering is there really any defense against these types of guns? or is it just a one shot one kill type of deal.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Where Hamas snipers (Using Iranian Am-50 sayyads) are just melting through Israeli Soldiers
    too obvious chuggie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dude they're literally shooting through people what do you want me to do? Sugar coat it?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, truly a masterpiece. Never seen something like this, the guy made history

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hehe, baby killer
      For real that's why I'm asking I saw those two get just shot through and wanted to know is there anything you can wear to stop that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much no. Sorry anon but you will never be bullet proof

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Really? Sorry I'm moronic I really thought we solved these types of attacks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope same way air strikes and artillery are pretty much unbeatable if you're an irregular militia without an air force lmoa

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Damn lol
              For some fricking reason I thought we had jackets that could stop this shit but they were super impractical

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Theoretically you could cut out a piece of tank armor thats rated to stop AM-50 rounds and duct tape it to your plate carrier, but that would be incredibly heavy and bulky.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds awesome
                Someone tell the IDF to do that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you are a white American who actually knows shit rather than a dumb heeb who merely thinks he knows shit, various XSAPI and civi brands have shit that will stop 50BMG ball ammo and some AP. They are iffy about saying it can for legal reason as there is no official certification for such a criteria but its on youtube. Look it up yourself and decide what is in your budget. Even total shit like RMA's fiberglass and nylon composite can stop 50 cal ball if the plate is absurdly thick.

        Also i want all the israelites dead, but after we are done with them all mudslimes are next on the chopping block. Shooting soft potato pancake flipper with an antimaterial round hasn't been impressive since a random marine turned his M2 into a sniper platform in Nam.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bud, even if there is armor capable of stopping 50 cal- the kinetic energy alone will be enough to kill you. My advice if you were mainly facing 50 cal and not any other small arms fire, is to drop the plates entirely and opt for a much lighter flak jacket since Hamas appears to be mainly using grenades and rockets anyhow.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The kinetic energy is absorbed by the plate, and backface deformation isn't even that bad. Check the video at

          [...]
          Yeah.
          There are wearable plates that'll stop .50 BMG AP:

          Not even heavier than a lot of "Level III" steel plates.

          It'll be like taking a hard punch to the gut, but it won't kill you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Yeah.
            There are wearable plates that'll stop .50 BMG AP:

            Not even heavier than a lot of "Level III" steel plates.

            the SARVIP plates were .50cal rated. I think they were an alumina strike face with aramid backing and a bunch of EVA foam behind it to cushion the impact. the foam is critical for not getting injured by higher energy rounds.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, .50cal plates definitely exist. .50 AP plates even exist these days, and they're not even heavy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              a more modern plate is currently sold for $640 that uses a silicon carbide and titanium diboride strike face with a UHMW backer plus some kinda "premium-grade thermoplastic foam" that advertises "standoff protection" from .50cal M33 ball ammo

              the large 10.25x13x1.18" plate weights 8.1lbs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I stand corrected, I can't even fathom surviving 50 caliber, let alone an AP round, color me impressed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Momentum
            Lmao, how about peak forces

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Deformation in clay is the universally accepted proxy for that, and it was no big deal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Newton's third law. If the kinetic energy of a .50 cal alone could kill you, then shooting a .50 caliber rifle would blow your shoulder off.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it depends how quickly that kinetic energy is delivered to how large of an area. the gun has recoil reduction systems like springs and cushions to spread the force out over a larger area and a longer period of time. if your armor can't do that, the kinetic energy can be concentrated in a small enough area and time window to be lethal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The tankgewehr had none of that with comparable energy to the .50bmg, and surely most plates provides a larger surface area than the butt of a rifle, no?

              But yes, your point stands. There's a reason why a bullet can sometimes penetrate armor and the butt of a rifle can't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the plate may be larger than the rifle, but the energy is unlikely to be spread out well unless it's a perfect center hit. this is why the foam helps distribute force from off-center hits.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >hamas hero x baby killer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are these Hamas edits or did someone else add the kill feed and leaderboard? It's funny either way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that second shekelgrubber flailing its legs in the air is some funny shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How does this change 10-15k Hamas dead and Gaza being a parking lot?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty funny that two sides of people that have mowed down thousands of innocents are both saying "haha doe baby killers :*~~))"

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ya its simple, just need antimatter armor so it cancels it out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >get shot
      >instantly vaporize yourself, your shooter, and the greater combat theatre
      Fund it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Finally we have achieved Dune larp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        get the project to skunkworks we'll have a prototype before Q4

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/czViksR.png

      >get shot
      >instantly vaporize yourself, your shooter, and the greater combat theatre
      Fund it

      jacketed smart antimatter disintegration weapons when? the antimatter knows when to stop.
      it makes sure anyone struck is not afforded "sperm retrieval" to live on, nor even burial. doesn't even leave a hair left.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/czViksR.png

        >get shot
        >instantly vaporize yourself, your shooter, and the greater combat theatre
        Fund it

        Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator when??

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Calling anti proton instead of negatron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We're talking about protective material not decepticons

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remember someone testing some cheap alibaba plates that could stop 50. Granted, it was normal 50 FMJ and not AP or API and the "body armor" plates were two half inch slabs of steel, but if you hate your spine you could stop shit tier 50bmg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. British Army made plates which were rated against .50BMG all the way back in the 1990s in response to those American Barret .50 cal rifles being illegally smuggled to the IRA. I don't think they were widely distributed but go and ask about them when someone next makes a /bag/ body armor general

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. British Army made plates which were rated against .50BMG all the way back in the 1990s in response to those American Barret .50 cal rifles being illegally smuggled to the IRA. I don't think they were widely distributed but go and ask about them when someone next makes a /bag/ body armor general

      Yeah.
      There are wearable plates that'll stop .50 BMG AP:

      Not even heavier than a lot of "Level III" steel plates.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The bulk or weight required to stop the rounds limits the mobility of the wearer so much it actualy makes them more likely to die as a soldier.
    You still need to be able to outmaneuver enemy forces. If you get too slow hit and run tactics work even better against you.
    Being heavy majes you static targets when mortars and light artillery are a regular threat.

    You cannot just turn your soldiers into waddling ultra heavies without feeding them a lot more calories and giving them hernias, busted knees, and other challenges.
    Just wearing regular plate carriers reduces breathing and adds clearly felt blood pressure to torso and head. Why half those with them stick thier fingers or thumbs under them while just standing around. And going down wearing them suffocates you to death if an ally can't take it off and treat you soon, because it takes more effort to breathe in them. (Still much easier than having a destroyed lung from not having it.)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IRA snipers would drive around in a car, stop a few blocks away from a British Army patrol or checkpoint, shoot a soldier straight through his flak jacket with the .50 and then drive off. The .50 cal plates were designed with checkpoint soldiers in mind so they wouldn't just get killed instantly by some random mick with an anti-materiel rifle

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >rounds that shred light armored vehicles
    >hey guise can a man wear armor that will stop this stuff?
    kek

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any defense against an Anti-Material Rifle?
    Yeah. I hear proper spelling of the word "Materiel" scares the piss out of the sniper.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't be spotted, don't get shot. If there is a high risk you might be, wear a plate that can stop it.
    >B-but what if they aim for the head???
    Then it's no more effective than a regular rifle with a scope.
    What is it with turdies figuring out the most basic shit or fielding things that have been around for decades as "BRAND NEW ENGINEERING SOVLFUL INDIGINOUS WONDERWEAPON!".
    They did the same with the tandem RPG rounds despite the fact that they're a direct copy of an old RPG round, not a new invention.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you get shot by any caliber >= .50, anything but a graze is going to render you incapable of fighting, likely forever from either the wound or from dying.

    Any armor that can stop a round like that is going to be too impractical to carry as personal body armor, for now and for the foreseeable future.

    But you're talking like anti-materiel rifles as an anti-infantry weapon is some kind of wonder weapon. It isn't. They're difficult to carry around and typically do not have anywhere near the same ability to hit targets accurately as a purpose-built sniper rifle, so they only have a limited range of application compared to sniper rifles--especially in urban warfare or other environments with shorter engagement distances.

    Anti-materiel rifles are typically employed in the sniper role for very long engagement distances and the rifles capable of operating in this role are harder for irregular groups to get due to their expense.

    Not to mention that an anti-materiel rifle isn't a weapon of mass destruction. Even in a target-rich environment, there's only so many people that the operator can take out before they are found or are forced to move positions. Not to mention the amount of ammo that can be carried by a small team is limited. Their ability to inflict a large number of casualties on a dense enemy formation is much less compared to a machine gun.

    What I don't understand is why we aren't seeing more armor piercing intermediate cartridges being issued en-masse. The people who invented m995 also have a 72 grain variant that was never adopted that I imagine would work effectively against body armor without an unacceptable effect on the ballistics at combat distances. My only guess is that investing in grenade dropping quadcopters is a much more cost-effective solution to defeating body armor

    But as to your original question, no, there really isn't a practical solution to protect an infantryman against getting shot with a heavy caliber weapon in a warzone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well, I wrote all of this shit without even reading the thread and apparently there are people saying that there do exist plates that can stop .50bmg, so I guess I'm just a moron.

      But there's still probably a matter of cost involved, and the difficulties I pointed out about employing a lot of anti-materiel rifles against infantry still stand. Not to mention that if you're fighting in a non-western military (i.e. most of the world's combat zones) you probably can't afford to buy a plate that can stop .50bmg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The people who invented m995 also have a 72 grain variant that was never adopted that I imagine would work effectively against body armor without an unacceptable effect on the ballistics at combat distances.
      Yeah, and this one has been tested. It really is a lot more effective. 5.56mm ammo development stopped a long time ago, and nobody gives a shit about it. M855A1 is good enough for government work, and M995 is good enough for machine gunners, and that's that.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Urban warfare fricking sucks, big dogs with flame throwers can't come soon enough. Also there's no practical defense against a .50cal or larger that can be carried reasonably by a human,just don't get seen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      any human who can't carry a couple 4 kilo plates does not belong on a battlefield

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    uh tanks I guess?
    hey it looks like a giant vz58!

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only real defense is to either get behind a LOT of hard shit or get behind something that completely obscures you from view and being somewhere the shooter doesn't think you are.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are plates that can stop .50 cal AP but they're like 2 inches thick and weigh about 10 pounds each.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they are actually a little thinner and lighter than that now, boomer

      see

      https://i.imgur.com/fZ332MH.jpeg

      a more modern plate is currently sold for $640 that uses a silicon carbide and titanium diboride strike face with a UHMW backer plus some kinda "premium-grade thermoplastic foam" that advertises "standoff protection" from .50cal M33 ball ammo

      the large 10.25x13x1.18" plate weights 8.1lbs

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hahahahahaha get fricked IOF

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is anti-material. There's nothing you can put in front of it to stop it. Just don't get hit, bro.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dont be material, duh.

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