Not really, people don't seem to understand the appeal of a scout rifle and I think it comes from a place of too little experience.
The Scout rifle is absolutely wonderful if you are a hiker or hunter who wants a cartridge capable of killing anything you come across easily in a lightweight small package. Personally I think the M1A scout variant gives the best of all worlds in exchange for a bit of weight. You get semi auto .308 in a rifle that's only 8-9lbs and it's both accurate and reliable, you don't get the benefit of a scope but you can always put a red dot on it and it's good enough for 300 yard shots.
>Personally I think the M1A scout variant gives the best of all worlds in exchange for a bit of weight. >in exchange for a bit of weight.
The entire point is weight and you could get a more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays.
>you don't get the benefit of a scope
The scout squad has a rail this ideal for LER scopes. I put a Burris scout scope on mine. It’s probably my favorite rifle.
Yeah you can but most scopes get destroyed on semi auto 308's the only one out of the 3 i have that didn't get fucked up was a 2lb monster scope and it sadly is not a LER scope.
>Personally I think the M1A scout variant gives the best of all worlds in exchange for a bit of weight. >in exchange for a bit of weight.
The entire point is weight and you could get a more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays.
>more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays
They have the same capabilities and the AR10 is the same weight, sure some are cheaper but I've yet to find an AR308 that can hold up as well as any other 308 battle rifle, even a PTR holds up better.
you can already do that with an AR-15 for less weight than most scout rifles.
Yeah you can but most scopes get destroyed on semi auto 308's the only one out of the 3 i have that didn't get fucked up was a 2lb monster scope and it sadly is not a LER scope.
[...] >more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays
They have the same capabilities and the AR10 is the same weight, sure some are cheaper but I've yet to find an AR308 that can hold up as well as any other 308 battle rifle, even a PTR holds up better.
It's really not hard to find a half decent scope that won't be destroyed by a semi auto .308. Any of the SWFA line will be fine.
You can yes, it's about finding a lightweight LER scope preferably one that doesn't cost more than the rifle, also the AR15 is fine but absolutely not adequate for any large game animal. Just because you can kill a bear with a .22lr doesn't mean you should.
Practically all LER scopes suck, so why even bother getting one when you could use an LPVO or any normal scope that functions better for less money? >but absolutely not adequate for any large game animal
This is also blatantly false. .223 is in a completely different league than .22lr
>why even bother getting one
If you just want it for the retro-cool, like running an A1 config AR. They also are generally lighter than standard scopes and LPVOs, which does make a difference if you're going for a "true" lightweight scout.
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Retro cool is one thing, I was thinking about it from a pure function angle. I would rather take the 3-7 ounce weight penalty to get a fairly inexpensive optic that I know will work as intended versus paying more for an optic that isn't as robust.
The point of an LER scope is entirely different than an LPVO and on some guns it's not practical to use anything other than an LER scope. I'm aware .223 is not .22lr, I specifically said that so retards don't go pulling up the story of some eskimo who killed a polar bear with a shitty .22 rifle. Yes .223 is technically capable of killing anything but it is objectively a worse choice for large game animals both in hunting and defensive use over pretty much any .30 cal round.
>killing anything you come across
Where? In Africa? The only animal you would need a large caliber to kill quickly is a bull moose or a grizzly, neither of which are particularly common or even present outside of Alaska and remote Canada.
You need to understand that the Scout rifle is a fudd fantasy that Jeff Cooper has carried with him all his boomer life. He envisioned himself wandering through the African savannah or Alaskan forests for days on end (for some reason), dodging enemy patrols and hunting to feed himself. It's a gun made to fulfill one man's personal fantasy in a time when such dudes could have pull in the industry through gun magazines.
>Moose
You'd be surprised, these fuckers have wandered onto highways in Canada and blocked them more than once in the last several years. They aren't restricted to the far north, they're all over the place.
Kek, I'm sure it's happened many times on smaller back roads, but when the bastard has traffic backed up for two klicks on an actual highway, pulling out your truck gun is a great way to get your face sandwiched between a boot and the pavement
if you live in the desert or alaska, id take a bolt over a semi auto DI AR10 in a higher caliber than 308.
but the option of a piston AR would make me reconsider.
but that hesitancy is refuted by 20 years of the GWOT taking place in a dust filled hellscape.
i want to see reports on more DMR-esqe rifles in Ukraine and their applications and how they are functioning
The two real answers have both been said: you either want a full-bore rifle round in an ultralight package, or you just like the idea and want a rifle that's a retro throwback to the days before affordable electronic reflex optics. Either one is valid, I own two scout rifles myself, for both reasons.
People are only looking at these because they are bored of ARs and probably looking for a fun rifle that will never be banned or even put under the microscope by communists in the future. Same reason revolvers are having a small revival heyday. It's cuckoldry, but there's nothing wrong with it. ARs and plastic guns are boring and gay mil/cop larp
>looking for a fun rifle that will never be banned or even put under the microscope by communists in the future
This definitely factored into my decision to buy one
t. leaf who can see the writing on the wall
I want one of the ruger scouts because it has a short threaded barrel so I can stick a can on it, and it's mag fed so I can swap between different ammo types like subsonic .308 for popping small game or full hunting loads. I also just like how it looks.
With a suppressor, it gets rid of the action noise.
You can handload subsonics in pretty much any caliber and not worry about the action not cycling.
Less prone to getting jammed in a way that can't be handled in the field.
Less dependent on proper lubrication.
Less sensitive to dirt and mud.
Functions reliably with any caliber you want.
For innawoods stuff where you aren't expecting a fight with other people (but can still defend yourself if one comes) bolt guns have a ton of utility.
They don't have enough of an accuracy advantage for the average shooter to notice. The functional reasons some people prefer them is that they're generally lighter than equivalent caliber semi-autos, and they're easier to carry since they don't have large magazines and pistol grips sticking out everywhere. Then there are some people that have just always shot bolt guns cause that's what his dad and grandad shot.
Bolt actions are more fun. Actually, practically all guns are more fun than ARs. Also normal rifle stocks tend to be much slimmer vertically than ARs, especially once you stick optics on them.
Statistical data shows that the top two killers of coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were IEDs followed by snipers.
If you are planning for an antigovernment SHTF, then a copy of FM 31-210 and a scout or sniper rifle would probably be better picks.
Getting into a shootout with western troops is basically suicide.
...if you want a more powerful cartridge for the same weight then maybe.
Moderate answer, there is a reason...
Boomer answer
Zoomer answer
A combination of aesthetical, hereditary and constructional differences that can be summed up as "SOUL".
Because your state government hates you.
They sling over your back a lot nicer, so you can use both hands more comfortably. Bolt actions are also more accurate.
>Is there a reason to get [X] over a semi-auto AR?
No. It's 2023 brah
the only proper and acceptable reason to create a scout rifle is "because i think its cool" all other reasons are cope.
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>someone likes a post i dont like? its gotta be samefagging
Not really, people don't seem to understand the appeal of a scout rifle and I think it comes from a place of too little experience.
The Scout rifle is absolutely wonderful if you are a hiker or hunter who wants a cartridge capable of killing anything you come across easily in a lightweight small package. Personally I think the M1A scout variant gives the best of all worlds in exchange for a bit of weight. You get semi auto .308 in a rifle that's only 8-9lbs and it's both accurate and reliable, you don't get the benefit of a scope but you can always put a red dot on it and it's good enough for 300 yard shots.
>Personally I think the M1A scout variant gives the best of all worlds in exchange for a bit of weight.
>in exchange for a bit of weight.
The entire point is weight and you could get a more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays.
>you don't get the benefit of a scope
The scout squad has a rail this ideal for LER scopes. I put a Burris scout scope on mine. It’s probably my favorite rifle.
Yeah you can but most scopes get destroyed on semi auto 308's the only one out of the 3 i have that didn't get fucked up was a 2lb monster scope and it sadly is not a LER scope.
>more capable AR-10 for less weight anyway nowadays
They have the same capabilities and the AR10 is the same weight, sure some are cheaper but I've yet to find an AR308 that can hold up as well as any other 308 battle rifle, even a PTR holds up better.
you can already do that with an AR-15 for less weight than most scout rifles.
It's really not hard to find a half decent scope that won't be destroyed by a semi auto .308. Any of the SWFA line will be fine.
You can yes, it's about finding a lightweight LER scope preferably one that doesn't cost more than the rifle, also the AR15 is fine but absolutely not adequate for any large game animal. Just because you can kill a bear with a .22lr doesn't mean you should.
Practically all LER scopes suck, so why even bother getting one when you could use an LPVO or any normal scope that functions better for less money?
>but absolutely not adequate for any large game animal
This is also blatantly false. .223 is in a completely different league than .22lr
>why even bother getting one
If you just want it for the retro-cool, like running an A1 config AR. They also are generally lighter than standard scopes and LPVOs, which does make a difference if you're going for a "true" lightweight scout.
Retro cool is one thing, I was thinking about it from a pure function angle. I would rather take the 3-7 ounce weight penalty to get a fairly inexpensive optic that I know will work as intended versus paying more for an optic that isn't as robust.
The point of an LER scope is entirely different than an LPVO and on some guns it's not practical to use anything other than an LER scope. I'm aware .223 is not .22lr, I specifically said that so retards don't go pulling up the story of some eskimo who killed a polar bear with a shitty .22 rifle. Yes .223 is technically capable of killing anything but it is objectively a worse choice for large game animals both in hunting and defensive use over pretty much any .30 cal round.
>killing anything you come across
Where? In Africa? The only animal you would need a large caliber to kill quickly is a bull moose or a grizzly, neither of which are particularly common or even present outside of Alaska and remote Canada.
You need to understand that the Scout rifle is a fudd fantasy that Jeff Cooper has carried with him all his boomer life. He envisioned himself wandering through the African savannah or Alaskan forests for days on end (for some reason), dodging enemy patrols and hunting to feed himself. It's a gun made to fulfill one man's personal fantasy in a time when such dudes could have pull in the industry through gun magazines.
>Moose
You'd be surprised, these fuckers have wandered onto highways in Canada and blocked them more than once in the last several years. They aren't restricted to the far north, they're all over the place.
sounds comfy tbh. instead of some retarded hobo ruining your commute it's just a retarded moose that you can shoot with impunity
Kek, I'm sure it's happened many times on smaller back roads, but when the bastard has traffic backed up for two klicks on an actual highway, pulling out your truck gun is a great way to get your face sandwiched between a boot and the pavement
if you travel to jurisdictions where semi-autos are b& or severely restricted
Local laws and weight. A "scout rifle" in .308 may also be cheaper depending on model. That's about it.
Yeah, if you already have an AR or equivalent you can get whatever you damn well please because fuck what other people think of your collection.
Scout rifle is for people who likes working the bolt and reading about guns.
if you live in the desert or alaska, id take a bolt over a semi auto DI AR10 in a higher caliber than 308.
but the option of a piston AR would make me reconsider.
but that hesitancy is refuted by 20 years of the GWOT taking place in a dust filled hellscape.
i want to see reports on more DMR-esqe rifles in Ukraine and their applications and how they are functioning
They said that an scout rifle concept came too late.
You can open carry it in states where that's legal, and most people would just assume you're about to go hunting.
The two real answers have both been said: you either want a full-bore rifle round in an ultralight package, or you just like the idea and want a rifle that's a retro throwback to the days before affordable electronic reflex optics. Either one is valid, I own two scout rifles myself, for both reasons.
ban states
People are only looking at these because they are bored of ARs and probably looking for a fun rifle that will never be banned or even put under the microscope by communists in the future. Same reason revolvers are having a small revival heyday. It's cuckoldry, but there's nothing wrong with it. ARs and plastic guns are boring and gay mil/cop larp
>looking for a fun rifle that will never be banned or even put under the microscope by communists in the future
This definitely factored into my decision to buy one
t. leaf who can see the writing on the wall
I want one of the ruger scouts because it has a short threaded barrel so I can stick a can on it, and it's mag fed so I can swap between different ammo types like subsonic .308 for popping small game or full hunting loads. I also just like how it looks.
If you want one in bolt action and AR is a pretty bad choice.
Why do people prefer bolt actions over semautos anyway? are they really more accurate or is that just a meme from FPSs to balance gameplay out?
With a suppressor, it gets rid of the action noise.
You can handload subsonics in pretty much any caliber and not worry about the action not cycling.
Less prone to getting jammed in a way that can't be handled in the field.
Less dependent on proper lubrication.
Less sensitive to dirt and mud.
Functions reliably with any caliber you want.
For innawoods stuff where you aren't expecting a fight with other people (but can still defend yourself if one comes) bolt guns have a ton of utility.
They don't have enough of an accuracy advantage for the average shooter to notice. The functional reasons some people prefer them is that they're generally lighter than equivalent caliber semi-autos, and they're easier to carry since they don't have large magazines and pistol grips sticking out everywhere. Then there are some people that have just always shot bolt guns cause that's what his dad and grandad shot.
Bolt actions are more fun. Actually, practically all guns are more fun than ARs. Also normal rifle stocks tend to be much slimmer vertically than ARs, especially once you stick optics on them.
You think they look cooler.
only if you intent to shoot the kino 30-06 cartridge
Statistical data shows that the top two killers of coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were IEDs followed by snipers.
If you are planning for an antigovernment SHTF, then a copy of FM 31-210 and a scout or sniper rifle would probably be better picks.
Getting into a shootout with western troops is basically suicide.
>Is there a reason to eat oranges when potatoes exist?